Just a quick silly question, can i use the same pump to drain the pond as well? I'm certain, however would like to make sure my understanding is right.
Hi Ed thanks for the video! I’ve just purchased the one which is suitable for ponds UP TO 9000 litres now my pond is roughly and I’m saying roughly because actually I haven’t got a blooming clue! So I’m hoping this won’t be overkill - what do you think? My main thinking is , as I have a small water course I would fully open the side outlet and not be using the fountain bit because I need as much power as possible for the waterfall. I know it’s hard for you to comment without dimensions I’ve added a pic please ignore my grandkids on it if you zoom in you’ll be able to see it better. Please I’d love to hear your views. My filter gets delivered in a few days. I bought from a private seller on eBay I paid £80 + £9.50 p+p so a bargain as it’s brand new in the box! Oops I can’t add the picture! If you find me on messenger I can send to you or whatever x
Hi sorry to bother you but I've just bought this can you please tell me if the two open and shut valves. Should they be open or closed. In guessing the one is for the jet, but should the other one be open or closed ps my set is just this unit in the pond without any other pipes etc
Hi there Ash! The two valves control and isolate flow going to the fountain and to the secondary outlet-often used for small features such as a small cascade, or statue positioned besides the pond. If you’re only running the fountain (the topmost vertical outlet) I would start by opening fully the opening for the fountain and closing off fully the side secondary outlet. You’ll now have max flow from the fountain. If you wish to turn this down a little start to open the aperture (whilst the pump is operating-you may get wet!!) for the secondary side outlet-this acts as a bleed valve, reducing flow to the fountain but importantly without actually reducing the overall flow rate/circulation from the pump. If even with the secondary opening fully open the fountain is still to powerful (unlikely) then you can start to close down the fountain valve. Hope this makes sense! Best, Ed
@@CrystalClearAquatics hi that's fab so to sum up, use the secondary and open it up to stem the flow of the fully opened fountain. Please can you tell me in simple terms the difference in leaving the secondary valve closed and adjusting the fountain valve which is what I've done and your way please 🙏
@@ashcurt66 hi Ash, Leaving the secondary side valve closed and then closing down the fountain valve will obviously have the effect of reducing flow to the fountain but will also cause restrictions to the pump- the pump is trying to pump water against a restriction, which can cause premature wear on the pump. Controlling the fountain height by opening up the side valve creates no restriction to the pump! Best, Ed
Thanks for your comment Yvonne and glad the video was of some assistance! On top of the filtral unit there is indeed a little viewing window that allows (a rather obscure) view of the uvc light and if working correctly should be emitting a faint but noticeable greenish/blue light. It’s unlikely you’ll notice this light under water and so you will have to bring the unit nearer the surface, or even place it on the side of the pond out of water momentarily (don’t do this for long as the pump will also be running at the same time as the uvc and running it dry for too long could damage it) and be able to confirm that the light is indeed working. Also its best to do this during the evening or an overcast day- bright sunshine will make it hard to see the light also! Hope this helps, Ed
Great video, I'm actually looking to get one (probably the 6000) as my Blagdon version is struggling now. Could you tell me, in the kit, is there enough for at least a 70cm height to the nozzle from the bottom or would I have to construct one? Thanks buddy!
Hi there! Thanks for your comment and my apologies for the slow response- the fountain kit accessory which includes the fountain riser pipe doesn’t extend to that height, although obviously you need to take into account the height of the filtral unit itself. I suspect you’ll need to raise the unit off the base of your pond with some blocks/bricks to raise it up to the height you require. If you contact Oase direct they’ll have all the measurements to hand. Best, Ed
HI Ed. Thanks for the video. Just bought my Oase 9000. A quick wee Q. What plug amp should I use as it doesn't come with a plug? 5amp, 13amp etc? Cheers
@@MegBlyth Hi Meghan! Yes the unit would operate with a 13amp plug/fuse. However for the fuse to operate as its intended (for safety’s sake) you should always use the most appropriately sized fuse-which in this case would be a 3amp.
Hello Ed I am looking at changing the filtration of my pond but I am concerned that the pump may be too low powered. I am wondering whether the Oase Filtral 9000 may fit the bill. Would you advise one based on the details below? Currently I have a Laguna Max Flow 2200 pump which feeds into a Hozelock Ecocel 6000 gravity filter with 30mm inlet and 50mm outlet, down a small waterfall 1m above the pump. The pond is about 2600 litres, in full sun and with 250cm of fish, mainly golden orf and one ancient goldfish. They get fed every other day - if they are lucky. The current set-up is coping with the pond but it is becoming a bit of a chore to keep clean once a month or so as the box is hard to disguise above the waterfall and is situated directly under a tree branch in a hard to reach position. The pump is a little underpowered and is left over from when I had the excellent (and no longer available) Hozelock Bioforce 6000, 20 years ago.
Hi there, thanks for your comment and happy to help! Although I rate the oase filtral units highly for what they’re designed for- small ponds, low fish stock- I’m afraid that an ‘all in one’ submersed system such as this can never hope to compete for efficiently with a dedicated filtration systems based around a separate submersed pump and an external filter uvc- such as your current set up- for two main reasons; 1) submersible systems such as the filtral, hozelock easy clear etc etc are in their nature designed to be small and discrete, so as not to impact too much on the aesthetics of a pond (they’re not the most attractive of things!) and as a result are comparatively small in size compared to an external pressurised or gravity system. This will compromise filtration efficiency. Surface area is key here- the larger the filter media’s surface area the more efficient at waste removal the filter will be. In this case the filtral 9000 is both physically smaller then the hozelock system you currently run and the flow rates of 1700lph from the integrated pump are less then the 2200lph from the Laguna pump you are running. I Believe the uvc rating is a couple of watts greater on the filtral, but thats still not enough of an upgrade to warrant the change in my opinion. 2)The other- perhaps more significant- downfall of any such submersible system is ease of maintenance. If something is hard to clean, well it probably won’t get cleaned! Providing attention to a unit that sits outside of the pond will always be much easier (assuming its positioned in an accessible location) then having to remove a submersed unit from the pond. All- in one units have their place granted- most notably when a pond is either raised or surrounded by paving and no easy path for discrete routing of cables/pipework/positioning of an external filter etc can be found. In this instance a submersible unit with only one cable exit is understandably desirable. For your pond of approx 2600 litres/570 gallons I would be looking at filtration systems with a MINIMUM uvc rating of 15 watts and preferably with 20/20watts for belt and braces. For ponds below 1000gallons/4500 litres I work on approx 1watt of uvc per 30 gallons/136 litres. This ensures year-round water clarity. Conversely your Laguna pump (I’m a fan of the max flow!) is fine, unless you intend on powering a large cascade or pumping the water to a great head height, although if you were to replace this also I would advocate a little more oomph- (your cascade will look better as a result! Always better to have more then you need as the pump can be throttled back with an inline tap if so desired- something in the region of 3500/4000 lph I would say. The oase aquamax eco classic 3500 for example) As for a filter recommendation I would highly recommend either something like the oase filtoclear 16000 (24w uvc) if you adopt a pressurised system (convenient for locating the filter lower then your cascade), or the filtomatic 14000 for a fantastic gravity discharge system if you can locate the filter with its outlet above the cascade. I hope this helps! Best regards, Ed
@@CrystalClearAquatics I managed to get a Blagdon Clean Pond Machine 16000 at £182 from Amazon, a bit of overkill for my pond. At the moment the Laguna 2200 is coping well, better than with my old box filter. As the Blagdon gets its dose of pond mud into the filtery thingies it is slowing the pump a little and it is early days. Not impressed with the Blagdon compared with the Hozelock filters I've had in the past.
Just an update. The Blagdon Clean Pond Machine is the easiest system to clean and woks well. I'd recommend with proviso that getting watertight fitting to the in/outlets is a fiddle and need to be finger tight only.
Over here it’s more commonly called cable rods or fish tape-and absolutely; this would generally be my method of cable pulling-however in this instance a string was easier to tape to the old cable and pull through. The fish tape was in hand as a back up if the string failed! Thanks for your comment! Best, Ed
Hi there! Indeed yes this pump had been turned down to reduce the height of the water plume, so the unit is more powerful then perhaps this video depicts. However be aware that the max flow rate produced from this unit (approx 1700lph) will only be suitable for a small cascade and nothing too spectacular. Think gentle trickle, as opposed to Niagra falls! Best, Ed
@@CrystalClearAquatics Thanks Ed I'm thinking of going for the filtoclear 3000 premium set instead as I will hopefully have better control of the flow. Cheers
@@yvonnef5154 Ha! You’ll almost certainly get a face full in the process- hopefully you’ve been able to see how it’s done from the video but if not at the base of the fountain riser pipe that was included in the fountain kit you’l see two blue valves that independently open and close to control the upwards flow to the fountain head and the side outlet (which could be used for a small feature/cascade or just left open flowing back into the pond for additional circulation). For precise tuning of the fountain I would usually start by having the fountain valve fully shut (with the unit turned off peer down the opening of the fountain riser pipe/side outlet and you’ll see how the valves operate) and the side outlet fully open. Begin to open the fountain valve until desired fountain height is achieved. If when the fountain valve is fully open you still want more oomph begin to close the side outlet, sending more water to the fountain. As I said- you WILL get wet!! Best, Ed
the fountain accessory kit with with included telescopic riser pipe at full extension is approx 20” in height. including the depth of the filtral unit itself plus the length of a fountain nozzle you’d be able to have a fountain with this unit in ponds approx 24”/60cm in depth. any deeper and you would need to raise the filtral up on a platform of some sorts. hope this helps!
Unlike a lot of CZcams content, this is clear, easy to understand and informative. Good job.
Excellent, this is exactly what I needed to know. Everything explained perfectly clearly, and much better than the shop I bought the damn thing from.
That’s great to hear, glad to have been of some assistance!
Best,
Ed
Fascinating 'Indian Rope Trick' with the flex !
Thank you! Tricks of the trade eh?!...
Thanks for this video. Gives me the confidence to do it. Very simple, clear information. Thanks again.
No problem and great to hear it!
Just a quick silly question, can i use the same pump to drain the pond as well? I'm certain, however would like to make sure my understanding is right.
Outside the UK, the Oase Filtral comes with the fountain nozzles.
Interesting....shame they don’t over here in the uk! Thanks for letting me know.
@@CrystalClearAquatics They do in some places ! I bought the 6000 Filtral from Maidenhead Aquatics for £150 and that included the nozzle set :)
Wow, excellent video.
Thanks William!
Hi Ed thanks for the video! I’ve just purchased the one which is suitable for ponds UP TO 9000 litres now my pond is roughly and I’m saying roughly because actually I haven’t got a blooming clue! So I’m hoping this won’t be overkill - what do you think? My main thinking is , as I have a small water course I would fully open the side outlet and not be using the fountain bit because I need as much power as possible for the waterfall. I know it’s hard for you to comment without dimensions I’ve added a pic please ignore my grandkids on it if you zoom in you’ll be able to see it better. Please I’d love to hear your views. My filter gets delivered in a few days. I bought from a private seller on eBay I paid £80 + £9.50 p+p so a bargain as it’s brand new in the box! Oops I can’t add the picture! If you find me on messenger I can send to you or whatever x
Hi sorry to bother you but I've just bought this can you please tell me if the two open and shut valves. Should they be open or closed. In guessing the one is for the jet, but should the other one be open or closed ps my set is just this unit in the pond without any other pipes etc
Hi there Ash! The two valves control and isolate flow going to the fountain and to the secondary outlet-often used for small features such as a small cascade, or statue positioned besides the pond. If you’re only running the fountain (the topmost vertical outlet) I would start by opening fully the opening for the fountain and closing off fully the side secondary outlet. You’ll now have max flow from the fountain. If you wish to turn this down a little start to open the aperture (whilst the pump is operating-you may get wet!!) for the secondary side outlet-this acts as a bleed valve, reducing flow to the fountain but importantly without actually reducing the overall flow rate/circulation from the pump. If even with the secondary opening fully open the fountain is still to powerful (unlikely) then you can start to close down the fountain valve.
Hope this makes sense!
Best,
Ed
@@CrystalClearAquatics hi that's fab so to sum up, use the secondary and open it up to stem the flow of the fully opened fountain. Please can you tell me in simple terms the difference in leaving the secondary valve closed and adjusting the fountain valve which is what I've done and your way please 🙏
@@ashcurt66 hi Ash,
Leaving the secondary side valve closed and then closing down the fountain valve will obviously have the effect of reducing flow to the fountain but will also cause restrictions to the pump- the pump is trying to pump water against a restriction, which can cause premature wear on the pump. Controlling the fountain height by opening up the side valve creates no restriction to the pump!
Best,
Ed
Really helpful video- all fitted okay however light on top of unit not on. Could you please advise if it should be on?
Thank so much
Thanks for your comment Yvonne and glad the video was of some assistance! On top of the filtral unit there is indeed a little viewing window that allows (a rather obscure) view of the uvc light and if working correctly should be emitting a faint but noticeable greenish/blue light. It’s unlikely you’ll notice this light under water and so you will have to bring the unit nearer the surface, or even place it on the side of the pond out of water momentarily (don’t do this for long as the pump will also be running at the same time as the uvc and running it dry for too long could damage it) and be able to confirm that the light is indeed working. Also its best to do this during the evening or an overcast day- bright sunshine will make it hard to see the light also!
Hope this helps,
Ed
Thanks so much. Your video should be suggested with the kit as otherwise I’d have had no clue how to fit. Really appreciated
Great video, I'm actually looking to get one (probably the 6000) as my Blagdon version is struggling now. Could you tell me, in the kit, is there enough for at least a 70cm height to the nozzle from the bottom or would I have to construct one? Thanks buddy!
Hi there! Thanks for your comment and my apologies for the slow response- the fountain kit accessory which includes the fountain riser pipe doesn’t extend to that height, although obviously you need to take into account the height of the filtral unit itself. I suspect you’ll need to raise the unit off the base of your pond with some blocks/bricks to raise it up to the height you require. If you contact Oase direct they’ll have all the measurements to hand.
Best,
Ed
@@CrystalClearAquatics Thanks Ed, really appreciate that! I’ll make something for the bottom of the pond 👍
HI Ed. Thanks for the video. Just bought my Oase 9000. A quick wee Q. What plug amp should I use as it doesn't come with a plug? 5amp, 13amp etc? Cheers
Hi there! Total power consumption is approx 40watts; a 3amp fuse would be my choice.
Best,
Ed
@@CrystalClearAquatics Thanks Ed much appreciated.
Would it work with a 13amp plug?
@@MegBlyth Hi Meghan! Yes the unit would operate with a 13amp plug/fuse. However for the fuse to operate as its intended (for safety’s sake) you should always use the most appropriately sized fuse-which in this case would be a 3amp.
Hello Ed
I am looking at changing the filtration of my pond but I am concerned that the pump may be too low powered. I am wondering whether the Oase Filtral 9000 may fit the bill. Would you advise one based on the details below?
Currently I have a Laguna Max Flow 2200 pump which feeds into a Hozelock Ecocel 6000 gravity filter with 30mm inlet and 50mm outlet, down a small waterfall 1m above the pump. The pond is about 2600 litres, in full sun and with 250cm of fish, mainly golden orf and one ancient goldfish. They get fed every other day - if they are lucky. The current set-up is coping with the pond but it is becoming a bit of a chore to keep clean once a month or so as the box is hard to disguise above the waterfall and is situated directly under a tree branch in a hard to reach position. The pump is a little underpowered and is left over from when I had the excellent (and no longer available) Hozelock Bioforce 6000, 20 years ago.
Hi there, thanks for your comment and happy to help! Although I rate the oase filtral units highly for what they’re designed for- small ponds, low fish stock- I’m afraid that an ‘all in one’ submersed system such as this can never hope to compete for efficiently with a dedicated filtration systems based around a separate submersed pump and an external filter uvc- such as your current set up- for two main reasons;
1) submersible systems such as the filtral, hozelock easy clear etc etc are in their nature designed to be small and discrete, so as not to impact too much on the aesthetics of a pond (they’re not the most attractive of things!) and as a result are comparatively small in size compared to an external pressurised or gravity system. This will compromise filtration efficiency. Surface area is key here- the larger the filter media’s surface area the more efficient at waste removal the filter will be. In this case the filtral 9000 is both physically smaller then the hozelock system you currently run and the flow rates of 1700lph from the integrated pump are less then the 2200lph from the Laguna pump you are running. I Believe the uvc rating is a couple of watts greater on the filtral, but thats still not enough of an upgrade to warrant the change in my opinion.
2)The other- perhaps more significant- downfall of any such submersible system is ease of maintenance. If something is hard to clean, well it probably won’t get cleaned! Providing attention to a unit that sits outside of the pond will always be much easier (assuming its positioned in an accessible location) then having to remove a submersed unit from the pond. All- in one units have their place granted- most notably when a pond is either raised or surrounded by paving and no easy path for discrete routing of cables/pipework/positioning of an external filter etc can be found. In this instance a submersible unit with only one cable exit is understandably desirable.
For your pond of approx 2600 litres/570 gallons I would be looking at filtration systems with a MINIMUM uvc rating of 15 watts and preferably with 20/20watts for belt and braces. For ponds below 1000gallons/4500 litres I work on approx 1watt of uvc per 30 gallons/136 litres. This ensures year-round water clarity. Conversely your Laguna pump (I’m a fan of the max flow!) is fine, unless you intend on powering a large cascade or pumping the water to a great head height, although if you were to replace this also I would advocate a little more oomph- (your cascade will look better as a result! Always better to have more then you need as the pump can be throttled back with an inline tap if so desired- something in the region of 3500/4000 lph I would say. The oase aquamax eco classic 3500 for example) As for a filter recommendation I would highly recommend either something like the oase filtoclear 16000 (24w uvc) if you adopt a pressurised system (convenient for locating the filter lower then your cascade), or the filtomatic 14000 for a fantastic gravity discharge system if you can locate the filter with its outlet above the cascade. I hope this helps!
Best regards,
Ed
@@CrystalClearAquatics Thanks Ed for your thoughtful and lengthy reply. Looks like I'd better raid the penny pot and see what I can afford.
@@CrystalClearAquatics I managed to get a Blagdon Clean Pond Machine 16000 at £182 from Amazon, a bit of overkill for my pond. At the moment the Laguna 2200 is coping well, better than with my old box filter. As the Blagdon gets its dose of pond mud into the filtery thingies it is slowing the pump a little and it is early days. Not impressed with the Blagdon compared with the Hozelock filters I've had in the past.
Just an update. The Blagdon Clean Pond Machine is the easiest system to clean and woks well. I'd recommend with proviso that getting watertight fitting to the in/outlets is a fiddle and need to be finger tight only.
There is a thing called a “snake 🐍 wire”. That is the proper tool for pulling wires and it cost not more than 5$.
Over here it’s more commonly called cable rods or fish tape-and absolutely; this would generally be my method of cable pulling-however in this instance a string was easier to tape to the old cable and pull through. The fish tape was in hand as a back up if the string failed!
Thanks for your comment!
Best,
Ed
Hi, great video.
Was the fountain flow turned down as I want to run small cascade and concerned that the flow might not be enough.
Cheers
Hi there! Indeed yes this pump had been turned down to reduce the height of the water plume, so the unit is more powerful then perhaps this video depicts. However be aware that the max flow rate produced from this unit (approx 1700lph) will only be suitable for a small cascade and nothing too spectacular. Think gentle trickle, as opposed to Niagra falls!
Best,
Ed
@@CrystalClearAquatics Thanks Ed
I'm thinking of going for the filtoclear 3000 premium set instead as I will hopefully have better control of the flow.
Cheers
How do you turn fountain down - it’s like bellagio here!
@@yvonnef5154 Ha! You’ll almost certainly get a face full in the process- hopefully you’ve been able to see how it’s done from the video but if not at the base of the fountain riser pipe that was included in the fountain kit you’l see two blue valves that independently open and close to control the upwards flow to the fountain head and the side outlet (which could be used for a small feature/cascade or just left open flowing back into the pond for additional circulation). For precise tuning of the fountain I would usually start by having the fountain valve fully shut (with the unit turned off peer down the opening of the fountain riser pipe/side outlet and you’ll see how the valves operate) and the side outlet fully open. Begin to open the fountain valve until desired fountain height is achieved. If when the fountain valve is fully open you still want more oomph begin to close the side outlet, sending more water to the fountain. As I said- you WILL get wet!!
Best,
Ed
Thanks so much - I would send a photo of how wet I’ve been but it’s not pretty!
What if you have a deeper pond, how long is the fontein stick thing completely extended?
the fountain accessory kit with with included telescopic riser pipe at full extension is approx 20” in height. including the depth of the filtral unit itself plus the length of a fountain nozzle you’d be able to have a fountain with this unit in ponds approx 24”/60cm in depth. any deeper and you would need to raise the filtral up on a platform of some sorts. hope this helps!
Can this be used in a fish pond
Hi there, yes absolutely-as in this video-suitable for installation in both ponds with or without fish.
Best,
Ed