Intro to Advanced Comms for the Prepared Citizen
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Part 1 of a Part 2 of Comms
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Covering some basic terms for radio comms to set us up for part 3 (DMR/P25 configs)
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Definitely one of the most sensible guntubers on here
Oddly cringy at the same time.
Not going to lie.. 0:31 seconds made me do a double take because I thought Nova was on the hood being an absolute baller just chilling while a shot is ringing out right next to her. Only to find out on a second watch that it was the stuffed Nova... Either way. Nova is an inspiration to us all.
Bro sameeeeeee i was about to cry
Yeah I had to rewind it lol
Does my ability to fart in Morse code count as advanced comms?
Ahh. *That's* why they call it HAM.
Don't worry bro. Does the same to me.
The same way my paper towel tubes taped to a skateboard helmet counts as NODs. Rent the Night.
Yes
Talk about a leaky faucet lol
Ass-vanced comms
When it comes to overmatch, patience is the name of the game. You can't beat the technology level, so you shouldn't bother. Don't go up, go down. Radios in that scenario are a last resort, emergency option. The Taliban couldn't use Radio's because they were all being jammed, so they started delivering letters on foot. And that was reliable, even with patrols specifically looking for it.
It's sounds cool and tactical and all that ...but They Can Comprimise ANY Civilian Device And Will. Ask NSA😉
"Even the tiniest flea can drive a big dog crazy" :D
Guerilla warfare tactics have been fairly effective against overwhelming forces time and again but the bigger forces do tend to win the war of attrition in the end though :/
They used radios just where selective and smart
@@1olddirtroad not entirely
I was surprised how big a difference it made in force on force drills we ran at my last gig. Someone only 90 feet away can be unreachable during a firefight. You nailed it that the benefits outweigh the risks. Another risk that's highly likely is spoofing. The adversaries won't simply listen in; they'll actually misdirect you. I remember how unnerving it was when it happened.
HF is also for local comms in mountainous terrain and avoiding direction finding.
Can you explain why it's resistant to direction finding?
it's good, yeah, we're getting into HF as well. Was a joke mostly.
@@ImperiumLibertas HF uses NVIS which is a method of propogation in which the signal bounces off the atmosphere and can travel insanely far.
P25 and DMR handheld and mobile is beginner/intermediate comms in my opinion. With analog handheld being entry level.
Advanced would consist of FHSS, wideband, secure HF data, secure mesh (no not meshtastic), and a few other emerging technologies that civilians can indeed own.
Depends on your proposed adversary in terms of how advanced you probably should be.
I can learn P25 CPS and keyloading in a day. Not advanced. I will say time spent on that is worth more than the same amount of time on the range.
Reconnaissance against a nation state adversary requires secure HF, period.
If your aim is to risk your life to recon a biker gang with Draco’s by using a mobile high power DMR or P25 then sure that works.
I sit at a SIGINT school and advanced communications are 5G/6G, WiFi 7, free space optics, and cutting edge anti-jam waveforms. P25 makes the list for entry level in fact. Along with DMR Tier 2/3 and TETRA.
Now the Temu purchased Baofeng users are the true enemy. Forfeiting their privacy and selling their morality for CCP garbage at $2.99 a unit.
@@ImperiumLibertas with NVIS you're basically pointing you antenna up and letting the radiowaves shower around you, so its much harder to direction find. Not impossible tho
I think as long as all of us just decide what channel to talk on right now we can just have a chill cod lobby gamechat when SHTF
Smart
Bet, what channel we trying to use? And, since it's a cod lobby....can it be a early to mid 2000s lobby? Asking so I know how far this is going to go and prepare myself for the greatness to come.
I think this is the plan.
As a 06XX this is good stuff. Would like to see you go more into HF/BLOS stuff. On the LOS side you hit it. You’re not gonna be able to “hide” without encryption but you can get pretty damn close with proper usage of prowords, prosigns and callsigns, terrain masking, and just not talking if you don’t have to.
Edit: I’ll add that some of the equipment we use to direction find is commercial equipment, just VERY expensive. You can make your own jamming equipment or even radio decoys at home for cheap. Just saying.
we've looked into DIY stuff.
ATM you're better off dropping about 1000 bucks for a DIY solution from someone else.
If you have access to a spectrum analyzer, you can just mask your radio communication with other frequencies that are already common in the area.
0221 here Rah….
Comms have probably been the most hang up for me out of all prepping/firearms related gear. Its something you’re supposed to have a license to use, and most of the ones who do know much about comms act as gate keepers if you don’t have a license. I’ve got the radio, the comtacs, and the PTT to connect them. Now trying to learn the ins and outs of actually using the different frequencies
it's insanely gate kept. Which is sad, because by many accounts comms communities are struggling to get the new gen interested.
I remember the first time taking my HAM radio Technician exam, and nearly every person in the Zoom call was some boomer who treated the test like it was College Finals, asking to see my room and even ceiling to make sure I wasn't cheating lol.
Brass Facts is going through a Radio Head phase. love it
Even if you use encryption you can give away info.
I remember a guy saying that he had a scanner in Afghanistan and knew that his patrol was spotted due to all the talking on low transmit power (short distance) radios.
I think the guy was NC Scout, he has written some books about radios for SHTF.
"It won't be 8 months until part 2", say the guy who made this video 10 months ago
Is the p25/encryption vid still coming? I'm down for a 40 min video lol
I second this
You should look up the tech prepper on here. Would be super cool to see some sort of collab video crossing over his knowledge of comms with your preparedness in other aspects
I’m really excited for more vids on this topic, theres a severe lack of detailed content on this issue. Definitely gonna look into HAM certifications in anticipation 🤘
If you broadcast to your group radios only you don't need a loicence.
@@Bender_B._Rodriguez The FCC doesn't enforce that anyway unless you're running a signal jammer or pirate radio station. There isn't a single example of them coming down on someone for talking on HAM band without a loicense. Other hams though, they might get tilted about it.
@@Sophistry0001 Doesn't matter if they enforce or not. A Ham license is relatively easy to get and let's you practice your SHTF scenarios legally. Plus, more radio operators will actually want to talk to you to give you data points and feedback on things like audio quality and signal strength.
Brass talks to us like we're just one of the boys... most relatable and definitely one of my favs.
Great video. HF has it's place - community coordination, mountainous terrain, or distances outside 5W VHF range. As others have mentioned NVIS can be key. Man portable HF rigs with digital interface and small laptop can open up a ton of options for information sharing.
yeah I regret that joke. We're getting in HF as well to a degree.
I learned enough about comms to do some of this stuff while still hating how much bootlick and insufferable HAMs can be.
HF does have a place on a community level, not squad level.
for sure, it was mostly a joke.
We're actually looking to get into HF
by far the worst part about radio is the other hams.
Bootlick hams, ha! I have my ham license but it's nothing but frequencies for me, 99% of ham radio operators are old fudds who are basically the problem with our country... off my soapbox
HF can be used in a digital messaging as well as a baofucked radio with your cellphone and a APRS cable. I can go on and on, but I try not to make this a 40 min. Rant lol
HF is a pain because we have to set up and take down long antennas and they’re not super mobile while the antenna is deployed. It’s advantage is that it gives us any range we want from short to medium to long without the use of repeaters. A common misconception is that HF can only do very long ranges (like other states or countries). But with correct frequency selection, HF is very good at short and medium ranges too. If you’re coordinating activities with another unit in the next valley over, or your squad is reporting back to HQ twenty miles away and a repeater or cell phone is not an option then HF is you’re best/only option.
There are many good hams out there. I know many. We just off of the "club" repeaters, because those are the ones that are sad hams.
You hit the nail right on the head. I had to explain that the digital/analog transmission difference wasn't encryption the other day to a kid on Telegram. That's why I despise the discussion of encryption because most people have no clue what it really is.
I think we can safely say that if it gets to the point where state actors are taking enough interest in your group that they're actively sniffing your comms traffic, you have FAR bigger issues at hand, and are probably already a goner.
This came in with impeccable timing. Our group is finally getting into comms. We decided on Hytera HP682s. Supports AES256 encryption, DMR+Analog, Bluetooth and GPS is optional, relatively simple to program (compared to the Motorolas anywho) and more. Pretty excited.
great choice.
U guys messing with atak?
Encryption just brings attention to yourself and the Bluetooth and GPS just guarantees you’ll be located immediately and likely tracked live in real time
@@rifleshooterchannel208t. someone who didn’t watch the video nor do they know what they’re talking about
@@zokhrozzWoomzy Whatever helps you cope.
I’m doing a video on encrypted DMR - I’m going to link to this video as it’s the only one I’ve come across that a) makes sense b) gets to the point. Kudos sir.
You, Hop, TRex left out of the Elite Panel of the Gun Collective , CONGRATULATIONS, I like the patch!
DMR radios with encryption are now cheap and easy to get, with features like SMS and GPS too. For analog there are some radios with voice scrambler, which is not very good but better than nothing for SHTF scenario.
Something I see many "tactical" or "prepared citizen" types completely ignore is data burst transmission. Data bursts are a lot more difficult to gain intel from and direction find, since the transmission time is often less than a second. For this reason, many EMCON plans include a level where voice transmission is not allowed, but data bursts are.
For our practical purposes, what we want is a radio that has APRS functionality. APRS (Automated Packet Reporting System) has lots of features, but the one we really care about is the ability to send text messages to other radios.
I'm an exceptional nerd when it comes to this topic, I think you hit the important points without offending the nerds, and probably without beating the noobs over the head. SDRs and RDF devices are getting cheaper and easier to use, I tend to think a real approach here is to use the radio to make friends and gather Intel, this making your local area a bit less hostile.
We regularly post signs when we're in an area for freq and pl to talk, sometimes leave a radio in an ammo can. Talking to ppl outside firing range can sometimes prevent a blue on green.
There are videos out there for making Raspberry Pi boxes compatible with Baofengs for real-time voice encryption.
There are also phone apps like Rattlegram that give the ability to send encrypted text messaging over an inexpensive radio using your phone's speaker and microphone, or an APRS cable.
Just in case anyone was interested.
All that work to avoid getting a P25 that will encrypt better, be more portable and reliable. F Baofengs altogether.
Keep it stupid simple.
Encryption is pretty much mandatory today. Keep transmissions short and only when necessary. Have separate channels for different operations levels.
I must say I love your videos and have become an avid watcher of both you and Hop. I think other than your no bs content I love that you live in a desert. As a fellow Utah person I find myself struggling to find kit and prep videos that cater to the desert, especially down here in Southern utah. Everyone else's content focuses on either the woods of the midwest and pac north, or the jungles of Florida and Vietnam. I just wanted to say amazing content and please consider doing more videos with kit considerations focused on the desert!
A video i've been looking for a while, thanks!
Excited to see your encryption info. As a HRO (Ham Radio Operator) I have never looked into this side of radio use (outside of the Military use (aviation))
Preparedness for any and all modes of extreme camping scenarios. Bravo.
Hytera PD782's with AES 256-bit encryption. Their PD982 model can even be used as an encrypted DMR mini-repeater.
Woah seriously? that's awesome, a thousand dollar radio is still much cheaper than an actual DMR repeater.
Smoke signal gang 🗿
Good luck coordinating your trireams with fires on the deck
- semaphore squad 🚩
Still waiting for the next installment. Almost out of popcorn. 🍿
Koming to Brazz Factz is like taking a college course in Whatever. Great Content My fellow American.
I got a pair of comtacs to use for work and they are worth every penny. They make shooting, moving, and communicating infinitely easier
You read my mind. Was literally thinking of upgrading the UV5
I'll try to have the follow up to this out in a month or so.
That gets into many of the options that work within the advanced category.
@@BrassFacts heck yea, looking forward to it.
I bought a Baofeng UV-82, a better antenna, and the little handheld speaker mic. So. Yeah. I’m pretty much at Ultra Advanced Comms Level, UACL for short. I even used CHIRP to program it, which brought me up to UACL+.
Brassfacts Friday 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Commenting to defeat the algorithm. Btw I’m chill with watching 40min videos
Radioddity GS-5B is my new recommendation for people instead of the feng. Easy to hand out, program and teach. Perfect for the people who want better than the beo but not ready to drop a few hundred on p25/dmr or have partners who wont or cant get into the weeds of those systems.
AWESOME I WAS SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS!
No chicks in the prepping community, WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!? I'm out then! I only got into prepping for the ladies ...
I was lied to as well.
@@BrassFacts D:
We speak multiple languages. That's my plan for near peer.
We switch it up in everyday conversations, if we're trying to be discreet it wouldn't be hard to just step it up a bit.
still waiting for part 2 and 3
Thanks for the video. Looking forward to the encryption talk one
Learning little things like 10 codes and the Phonic alphabet will help immensely. Most people when using radios at first will have a hard time understanding what is said. This will come with using the radio. Learning how to call then identify yourself is also good radio use. "Base this is Ramrod" do you copy. Learn basic radio protocols shortens what is said. This will be help in situation with many radios. This also makes it harder for others to track you! Note: Phonic Alphabet is learning each letter as a word. Don't make them up. A- Alpha, B- Bravo, C- Charle, Delta , Echo, Foxtrot, Gulf, Hotel.... you get the idea. Guess what I is, hint it's a state. Succinct, short and understandable three must on a radio.
Apple, banana this is Elvis.
Frankenstein do you copy
I’d keep 10-codes out of comms and just use plain speak. It’s easier and you don’t risk confusion for people learning different codes (for example the 10 codes we have in EMS are different from police 10 codes which are different from fire 10 codes).
FYI Baofengs are used on the frontline only if this is the best radio you can get, but with civvie support it’s not even the baseline and an extremely unsafe tool in conventional war. They are just fine for civvie usage though
YESSS!! I’ve been waiting for this series! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Unlocked UV5R is very useful to "Listen". Like you said key up and your found and if you did you need to run to a new location about 5 Miles away. Currently buildn a manpac CB with SSb. There in when shft there will be tons of coms going on near you and with ssb hear the skip going on in other state and other counties
My man is so fearless he shoots in flip-flops.
I need a Nova Facts patch. Please make more.
That patch is hella soup
hella souped
Honestly, using lights(for Morse code) and flags would be best for shtf scenarios.
3:14 you don't even need a multimillion dollar network to do it, we as tactical SIGINT collectors use our own specialized Software Defined Radios that not only survey, passively collect on, and decrypt analog and digital mobile radios, but also Direction Find them and literally walk down targets. Yeah, these systems fit inside a PRC-152 pouch and can find a target inside a city-sized area using everything from Hyteras and Trunked radios to Baofengs. You are far from secure using any unsophisticated comms.
"Yes dudes, there is no chicks in this community." that shit had me rolling
Nova was being very helpful, he's making sure that he's okay XD
13:55 love the MW2 drip
According to my ex-wife and brother-in-law, both of whom used to work for the NSA, no encryption system is unbreakable. It purely depends if they are will to devote the resources, including time, to break it. If they want to, they will.
yep. the US has the capability to break a 256 encryption key. But it takes sometime (I think about 1-2 weeks). And represents a massive resource investment. It's almost never worth it.
Former marine corps radio operator, and encryption defeat by an overmatched opposition is the reason I don’t have radios. Though, considering the talk of “peer or near peer” threats, I have begun to reconsider.
Brassy I'm not seeing the link to your store, where patch?
i go live with it once the video goes live.
@@BrassFacts Maybe your patrons should get first crack at it?
@@homerj109 they never sell out. Once they do I'll do that.
what the magical time travel is this comment?
@@sodajones2576 patrons get an early look.
This will save your life from Signals Intelligence / Radio Direction Finding:
Code words/Pro Words: Being able to make a 2-3 sentence operational update by saying one simple word is important.
Utilizing multiple frequency bands (HF/VHF/UHF): Yes this can mean using multiple radios, but that's where mission planning comes in. The more you are transmitting on different parts of the RF Spectrum, the harder you will be to direction find/jam.
Displacing when sending communications: You don't want to send comms from your hide site/base camp. Displace 300 meters or more to make your transmission if you can.
Brevity (back to Code words, the longer your transmit, the more time the enemy has to find you)
Transmission Power Management: Everyone blasts on high power because it means your teammates are most likely to receive the transmission, but so is the enemy.
Directional Antennas: If you are running Recon and transmitting to an element behind you, and you don't want your transmission going to the enemies ahead of you, you can use directional antennas to send transmissions.
Know what the enemy is using. If the enemy is using 65.5 MHz all the time, stay far away from that frequency. You can also use this to your advantage by blending into the noise, if you're good enough.
Change ten codes every other week to confuse everyone and make master copy self-destruct at same interval.
I heard Garand Thumb I think on his drone video say that radio is a drone magnet, which could be a danger even in non overmatch situations, as anyone can get a drone that will be able to drop bombs…
How would a peer go about doing that?
🤷♂️ good point
@scottie876 More likely the government would.
@@Enjoyer.762 yes, that was mentioned in the video
it's a consideration for sure.
I know you didn't imply this:
But recall that comms are basically mandatory, only because you can be punished for using something doesn't mean you should abandon it. Almost everything in this sphere has something designed to exploit it.
Realistically speaking. No one is going to have the capability to utilize that. And ironically, I don't think the US gov cares to use a loitering commercial drone.
Boy, your Holier than thou!
How much are those encryption issues solved by having a business radio license on a trunked frequency? One of the guys in "the crew" has a business and we're trying to convince him that if all of us pool together for the $50/year it might be worth it to get a frequency where we are allowed to use code words unlike GMRS, which is our backup strat
I'm going to communicate exclusively with a subtle nod, sly wink, and a pat on the ass from now on.
you mean:
you'll communicate exclusively with futurerama quotes.
@@BrassFacts Oh, that would be good code phrases. I think you're on to something.
Chimp noises are advanced comms
works for BLM
Am I missing something? I have an anytone handheld that was super simple to encrypt. With applicable FCC licensing of course.
Recall the bar is that UV5Rs are complex to program for most.
@@BrassFacts Ah, gotcha. Something something, knowledge bias.
@@BrassFactsto be fair, the UV5R is pretty annoying to program without CHIRP
Would love to see a video on encrypting with Arduino
The real reason we have these is to ride around screaming over ham frequencies to infuriate boomers.
This is the way
Well holy fuggin shit!!! We gotta guy that’s talking like a normal dude. I thought there were only 2 but it appears I’ve now found a 3rd. Unicorns by right as so many of us are regular dudes that even at our most basic level are more prepared than 97%-98%.
As someone who suffers from GERD, I am constantly consuming studies that look into foods and GERD. Looks like I have some new studies to look at.
Encryption is great if you can get it, but I served in the Canadian Forces and we didn't have encryption until well into the 2000's, so it isn't the end all be all. Radio direction finding is a real thing, but again, it's not sorcery. If you're using short transmissions and you're moving around and using terrain to mask your signal, etc, they're going to have a very hard time finding you. There's also the problem that encryption is almost entirely illegal for civilians.
While I agree with you in principle on the ideal coms setup (encryption, digital, HAM bands etc) my reality is that I have nowhere near the money for that, nor the time. For many reasons, I decided to go with CB radio. If anyone wants to know the reasons, just ask and I'll lay it out.
Is there a follow up to this video? Can’t seem to find it.
please get more of these patches in, i cant believe i missed the frog
Could you do a simple video that shows the radio and y cable with ptt button and mic for the extra level baofeng radio?
Or do you have a video that explains this?
Looking for squad level comms.
Also I currently have impact sports headset with an input port.
Amazing
Good content. Good coverage
A couple problems with comms is they don't have much line of sight use, and if there is a EMP or a power grid blackout, they won't work.
Have you thought about doing a meshtastic or rattlegram/ribbit video?
Great Topic, YES its so confusing. Thanks
Good video but there are a couple things that should be pointed out. Maybe you'll touch on them in the next video but for the sake of people watching, it might be good info to have. First off, HF is not just for ham fudds. Like you mentioned, in an SHTF/grid down scenario, if all repeaters are down, you effectively have lost long range comms with the homies. If you have a predetermined RV point and time, great. If not, using NVIS HF transmission can give you long range comms up to 600 miles depending on what band you are using. Encrypted HF radios are not readily available to civilians so most of what you transmit will be in the clear. Act accordingly. HF is not nearly as easy as setting up UHF/VHF comms, but I would argue it is still an essential tool for such scenarios. The number of people who will be using it however are likely fewer even than the ones using encrypted digital radio and, like everything else, it will require testing, training and development of TTPs for your use.
Regarding encryption, there are several different types of encryption algorithms, the most secure that is readily available to civilians being AES256. S2 underground has an excellent video on encryption that everyone should watch. While it is nice to have, unless you're facing a state level actor, it is probably not necessary. "Less secure" algorithms such as ADP are not likely to be cracked by an opposing civilian group. While it can be done, it's going to take a few hours at the very least and will not give real time data. The individuals capable of that are few and far between. Additionally, encrypting your own radios is not necessarily difficult. That XTS2500 in the video can run ADP encryption directly from the motorola CPS programming software. For AES256, you will need a keyloader or keyloading device, as well as the appropriate encryption module installed in the radio, but building and programming a KFDshield is not difficult or glitchy as the video states. You just need to run two programs and buy some hardware costing less than $100 total. Other radios such as hyteras and anytone 878s can also be encrypted directly from the software.
Another use for radio: safely re-integrating to society after bugging out for weeks/months. If there is a massive attrition and months later the survivors re-assemble a primitive government, you might be able to return to their community via first reaching out over radio and negotiating and seeing if they want you.
What class/course would you recommend for a mid tier user moving into squad to larger group comms?
Takes a lot of practice and the only way is to get your general Ham ticket. HF and digital modes are key.
ham license for a singular path to understand what is actually going on. And then realize that for tactical gear/comms you basically need to go nuts on CZcams videos forums
Some starting points: brushbeater.org/ i and db_soc on instagram.
Really there's a billion and one sources. You start with one, and it just grows from there.
There isn't really a pipe line though, you just sorta figure it out as a you go.
I realise this is a SHTF video but it's worth mentioning that encryption, veiled speech, codes and anything that otherwise obscures your message is illegal in some countries. This is only relevant for those few people who might go out and practice without knowing they're breaking the law.
Risky Chrisky punching air right now.
Why he was and is right and ncscout which he is a master at this would explain it
@@Dread_Pirate_HomesteaderNCScout is a narcissistic charlatan.
@@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader He is right, down-right **tarded.
@lucastonoli3256 how he is honest and on point
@@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader Honestly stupid and wrong. His whole "Use a baofeng" talking point is super **tarded, can't even bother to entertain that talking point. He doesn't know shit about communications.
Me: watching this video for the first time...nice..."It won't be like 8 months"...checks to see video was posted 8 months ago with no part 2... 😢
1:26 - Peter Steele saying "please buy our product"
when it comes to sigint a programmed baofeng with AES256 is every bit as secure as any other radio that implements AES256
0:31 I literally thought that was nova for a second just getting muzzle blasted :(
I feel like Risky Chrisky is going to come yell at me, but digital radios are the best option given the encryption options 😮
best as in easier, yeah.
Best in terms of other factors, depends on what you need.
Not really no they have a purpose but they have a lot of downsides
@@Dread_Pirate_Homesteader a decent digital radio will still do everything an analog will do. What are these downsides aside from costing more than $25?
@commonsenseproductions5893 GPS Beacon, requires a computer to program etc
@@commonsenseproductions5893 You'll need a digital repeater as well. Not nearly as common as analog repeaters and it requires a data connection where analogs do not.
Good stuff👍
my 2nd pair of comtacs just got here.
Now I just need some "boys" to larp with.
I need to know what radio pouch you use for your XTS
I just got an EPS as recommended to me by BF. I also see a PDP.
HF is for the skilled.
Don't have friends, don't need radios. Thermal imagers and thermal camo is cheaper and more important in the ISR game...