Don't Mess Up! Tips for Choosing The "Right" Structures (The Grunge Ep. 6)
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- The Grunge would have no reason to exist without industries to serve. Join me as I discuss how I came up with the industries for this small HO Scale layout, what kits I intend to use to represent them, and the thought process on how I got there. Most large industry structure kits won't fit "as designed" in a space this small, so we're going to have to think outside the kit box to make an interesting layout.
Don't miss this episode--there's trivia! And, it's also your chance to make your mark on the layout by suggesting an industry to be included. Watch to find out more info!
If you've ever wanted to get into model trains, or build a small switching layout but didn't know where to start, this series is for you because it's all about how to build a small layout! There's a lot to think about when building a train layout, especially in a tight space, and we'll cover everything you need to know on how to build a small layout. This is the sixth episode in the series on building a small HO scale layout.
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:44 - General Considerations
02:00 - Industries
02:32 - American Can
03:33 - Darlington Electronic Industries
04:40 - The News-Herald
05:49 - Whirlpool
07:19 - Team Track
07:41 - Undetermined Industry
09:21 - Supporting Structures
11:05 - Wrap Up
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Sorry for the audio glitches here and there in this video. Not sure what happened...
Some notes on industries. A rail served industry can have three types of rail loads being handled.
1) Raw materials inbound. This can be anything from raw materials to processed materials being used in the manufacturing process. Even an electrical generating facility is manufacturing power.
2) The more complex the manufactured product the more different types of processed materials being brought in. These can include castings, rubber products, glass, wood products, finished sub-assemblies, steel in bar, tube, rolled or sheet. Sheet steel used for stampings typically arrives in rolls. Rail cars used can include box, flats, gondolas and center beams. An all under one roof automotive facility can receive the following.
Casting sand, iron or aluminum billets, castings, sheet steel, glass, tires, paint products, fuel, sub-assemblies such as dashboards etc. That same facility could be shipping out a thing from complete cars to various parts including stampings, body sub-assemblies, engines, transmissions, other drive train parts etc to seperate assembly operations.
3) Finished products outbound can be shipped in box, flats, center beams or auto transporters.
4) Any industry that produces stamped or machined parts will generate scrap. Left over trimmings from stamped parts. Chips from machining operations. Which normally would be shipped in seperate loads. Trimmings from stampings typically are baled into cubes. Chips can be cast iron, steel, aluminum or even wood if there is a customer for it.
The point of all this is it's not just loads, empties out. Gor some industries yes. A ready mix plant comes to mind. But for other industries it is a lot more complex.
Really enjoying these videos. I came across them a year ago when you started but life got in the way and now catching up. You are doing exactly what I want to do. I plan to use this as inspiration and reduce the amount of track/switches by 1/3 to 1/2 to allow for a small harbor water scene.
Awesome, thank you! I'm glad the videos have been an inspiration. Keep up the good work!
Hello Joe, I've been watching The Grunge series for quite a long time. I've watched over and over numerous times. I do enjoy fully this series. For the time being I reside in a 30 ft RV travel trailer, and have been thinking on constructing my own small switching layout 2 ft by 7 ft over my dinet adjacent to my small kitchen area. Am thinking an Alley type of switching layout with hopefully 3 to four industries, motive power a Kato SW1. Mostly boxcars. I've also been considering back dating the layout to use a 0-6-0 switcher for steam era, when I tire of running Diesel or modern era freight. We Shall See.
Please keep us appraised, of your work on the Grunge.
I will! I have to get moving on it again. It’s been in its current state for too long!
You could put a street just to the right of the diner. That would allow truck loading on the right side of the newspaper building.
I'm considering streets on both sides of the diner, although I'm more concerned about truck access to the area in front of the undetermined industry than I am the News-Herald. At least at this point. That may change!
I just found your channel, I like were you are headed with this and I will definitely go watch the others videos in this series. I also like your foam core mockups.
Hi Fred. Thanks for the kind words and welcome aboard!
I get the News Harold paper delivered to my house!
Just discovered your channel and subscribed.
Thanks, Russell. Glad to have you along! Tell your friends! 😃
Darlington Electronics...
I haven't worked in an electronic firm in 30 years, and haven't specified a voltage regulator since, but I remember the materials planners always being on the phone with the EEs ranting about how they needed to update their part numbers, as those #$$%^^ed Darlingtons are being made anymore!!! ;)
Thanks for the memories!
And I had to look this up - my memory was a bit porous, as I had only a specific half-remembered application of a Darlington...
And, I'm not enough of a Sparky to do this in my head, but wouldn't a Darlington help to miniaturize a Twin-T detector???
I had to look this up, as I'd not heard of a Darlington transistor. My reference is actually from a movie! But I learned something today, so thanks! :)
another very informative video. The thought process for picking industries is very well thought out.
Thanks,. John. I like thinks to be be realistic and plausible.
Lots of great ideas for buildings and industries. I've always been a big fan of the 40' boxcars as well serving appliance industries. Looking forward to see how this turns out.
Thanks! I've always liked them too: I like their bulk while still being small. Thanks for watching and stay tuned!
The News-Herald brought back memories, in the mid 1960's I delivered the paper in Mentor.
We lived in Willoughby. Originally on the Mentor line and then we moved to another house off of Euclid Ave. which is where I got my first taste of railroading.
@@ThePixelDepotLLC I still get the News Harold delivered to my house! I live in Mayfield fyi.
How about an LTL Freight cross dock.
You put alot of thought into your layout w/ sum neat structure changes.. 🤗
Thanks, David. Sometimes I think I put too much thought in. Sometimes I find myself just standing and staring at the layout trying to figure something out.
@@ThePixelDepotLLC That seems to be a part of the hobby too! 😋
i like how you are going tore-purpose those structures...looing forward to those builds thx 4 sharing.. vinny
Thanks, Vinny. I hardly ever use a building the way I'm "supposed" to. But for this layout especially it's going to be important.
Hi Joe, what a cool layout design, I think all those structures fit the area great. I agree that the Weekly Herald kit is one of the best kits ever made. My favorite Walthers kit is the George Roberts printing kit, I built a structure on my Milwaukee Road layout with 4 of them in HO and I have 10 in N scale waiting for a purpose lol. I also like the way you planned out your rail served structures and placed them, you are a "Real Genius" . I'd try to fit the Weekly Herald in that little space and make it into a yard office. But that's all up to you, take care. Dave B.
Well done, Dave! I've built a few Weekly Heralds for various things, but I've never used the George Roberts kit before, so this will be a new adventure.
Maybe you undertemined company could be a storage room of the ,,American Radiator Company" or maybe ,,Binford Tool Ltd. for home improvement specialists" or maybe the ,,Friendly Fire Gunshop Ltd." or the ,,Warehouse Supply Company"...?
Great detail video like it so much.
Thank you! Glad to have you along!
As for your undetermined industry, you could run with this theme and create some sort of construction site? A parking space? A storage building for either industries on either side? Hope this helps somewhat.
Hi Rob. I had been going under the assumption that I needed a wall of structures so that not too much of the backdrop photo would show, but you've got me thinking...
Oh yeah, the interior of your diner looks like the set of Springsteen's Dancing In The Dark by Post Modern Jukebox.
Hadn't seen that one before you commented, but, yeah,. Might be able to do something with that...
I cenceirly like the way you think. However, don't mind about reality to much. A small section like this will never be prototypal, no matter how hard you try. Cut yourself some slack and just have fun. 😉
Thanks., Rob. I'm definitely having fun!
Hi Joe, I'm not too sure about the location of the diner. To fit in the diner somewhat realistically you'd may need some parking spaces for instance and some type of barrier between a public space and the railroad? Perhaps a suggestion might be to move the diner to the back of the layout, 180° turned around and filling the gap of the missing industry? Just a thought. Enjoy!
I think the aisle is my friend here. My plan was to put the front of the diner right at the front edge of the layout. Then the parking lot is in the aisle, and the street beyond that. I have some wood fencing that I was planning to put between the diner and the fence. I thought it would give it an appropriately run-down look. Thoughts?
@@ThePixelDepotLLC Interesting approach, would've never thought of it that way, thanks. I'm European, so I'm accustomed to other "standards". To each his own. I'm kinda curious now how this will turn out 👍
How about the rear of an office building for your space? Looks like room for a single truck dock too.
I thought about it not having to be an industry as I was editing the video, but I was too far along to reshoot! I saw a YMCA building kit or something that made me think of it.
I typically use cars that don’t have tons of detail especially if it’s a car that I’m going to be handling or running often plus the small details can be hard for me to see easily and I also enjoy watching trains running so a switching layout would not work for me personally
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Joe, I suggest a sign company. I have never seen one on a layout. Oh, I think that you can come up with a better name for the layout than "Grunge." Really? Peter
hello Joe, which RR CAD program do you use? The Grunge is looking great
Thanks! I use 3rdPlanIt. I've been using it for probably 15 years now. There's a learning curve for sure, but I find it very useful not only for track planning, but other cad-like planning as well, like when I finished my basement. You can download a trial at www.trackplanning.com/ (No affiliation.)
@@ThePixelDepotLLC awesome thank you
Urban industries not so commonly served by rail - they usually do LTL motor freight, let alone how small their shipping & receiving needs are relative to a 40' boxcar - that were around in the seventies which might be less common these days: A specialty machine tools supplier (think bench lathes and Bridgeport mills), a wholesale autoparts dealer, a chrome plating operation, or a clothing factory all come to mind... most of which I have seen disappear from downtown Los Angeles over the last 40 odd years...
Lots of places where urban industrial businesses were holding on in the 70s up until the early 90s, and where truck freight better met their needs even before WWII.
These are all great ideas. I wish I could use them all. Now I have the opposite problem, I need to whittle down the options!
Building idea for that space: a textiles company.
Thanks! Something to consider.
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