When Unknown Joe Frazier Challenged His Biggest Opponent
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- čas přidán 21. 01. 2024
- Welcome back to Boxing After Dark! In the historic year of 1968, a rising star named Joe Frazier emerged onto the scene, boldly challenging the vacant world title against the formidable Buster Mathis.
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Met Joe several times when I was a rookie in the PPD. I patrolled Joe’s neighborhood in North Philly. He would pull his car over, get out and converse with me. He was the nicest jolliest Gentleman you could ever meet. Rest in peace champ.
he was a true champ not like that joke fury
I’m glad you said those glowing words about buster
Joe Frazier was an Olympic gold medal winner and had already beaten Oscar Bonevena and George Chuvalo at the time when he boxed Buster Mathis. He was well known to boxing fans. Two rising stars in heavyweight boxing when they met each other.for the vacant heavyweight title here; after the boxing commission took away the title from Ali for refusing to be drafted. Frazier and Mathis were both fantastic amateur boxers, then became top pros in the heavyweight division. Frazier then becoming an all time boxing great beating the top heavyweights of his time, including Mathis, Quarry, Chuvalo, Bugner, Bob Foster, Ellis, Ali and others.
....well said. Joe was hardly EVER "unknown".
Yeah, and Chuck Wepner was the inspiration for Rocky, according to Stalone, who tried to retract that statement when the Bayone Bleeder asked for a cut of the profits, but then was proven in a civil trial.
@@robertcurran2765Wepner was a very tough guy, took on all comers. He lost to Joe Bugner, Sonny Liston, and George Foreman and other contenders back then in the very late 1960s and early to mid 1970s, and then Chuck beat Earnie Terrell by decision, his biggest win, - though Terrell was a bit past his prime. But Chuck eventually got his shot at the title. Wepner was a professional for over a decade when he got his first chance at a world championship held by Muhammad Ali - the most famous boxer, ever, and one of the most famous people in the world at that time.
Chuck was experienced, been around took a lot of punches fought on, then as a huge underdog finally got his shot at the world heavyweight championship. He was a huge underdog against Ali. Then he knocked down Ali and the crowd went wild. (Though Chuck really stepped on Ali's foot, hit him in the body. Ali fell back). Wepner fought well above expectations. He got stopped with seconds remaing in the 15 rd after putting up a good battle. The experienced and tough underdog Chuck Wepner, yes, very similar in many ways to the career of the fictional character, Rocky Balboa. Two very experienced, very tough underdogs getting a shot at the heavyweight championship of the world: and doing better than expected.
Joe Frazier was small for a heavyweight. He didn't care and defeated many opponents who towered over him and outweighed him by 30 or 40 pounds.
Joe Had a Line....
I,M A SMALL PIECE OF LEATHER....
BUT I,M WELL PUT TOGETHER!😡🤔😠🎤💥
Can’t go wrong with some good ol’ smokin joe. May not have the best resumè but has the greatest win in heavyweight history!
He has a better resume than
Mike Tyson.
@@judex3226 it’s an interesting comparison, i do think Michael Spinks is an incredible win as is a victory over Larry Holmes (even if he was coming off of a two year layoff) but I’m not sure who has the better resumè out of the two. Wins like Razor Ruddock and Pinklon Thomas are slightly better than Fraziers title defence’s
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Mike Tyson didn’t beat any great fighter when they were at their peak. Frazier beat Jerry Quarry, Oscar Bonavena twice, Bob Foster, Buster Mathis, Jimmy Ellis and Ali.
If you are including Tyson beating a over the hill Holmes as a big win then Frazier beating Ali was incredible! After his loss to Frazier, Ali proved he was far from over the hill by knocking out the then unbeaten George Foreman and win world title. Tyson beat Spinks who was a light heavy weight. Tyson was knocked out by Buster Douglas at 23 yrs old. People say Tysons peak was pre Buster knock out but what great fighters peak ends at 23? Razor Rudduck was not a great fighter, neither was Pinklon Thomas. Tyson was well beaten by the best heavyweights of the 90s, Holyfield twice & knocked out by Lennox Lewis.
Joe Frazier only lost to Ali and Foreman, both all time greats in heavyweight boxing history.
@@judex3226 I did say Frazier has the greatest win in heavyweight history and I was talking about ali. And I agree most weren’t at their peak, and while Buster Mathis Jerry quarry and Bob foster were solid wins, but I wholeheartedly disagree about your evaluation on Pinklon Thomas, he was an incredible fighter when at his best and there’s a reason he’s the one fighter from the 70s that Holmes didn’t fight. I prefer Frazier to Tyson in practically all aspects and I do believe he’s somewhat overrated, but Fraziers resumè is relatively unimpressive next to his rival with no wins over fighters like Ken Norton, Ron Lyle or Shavers. Fraziers best wins outside of ali like Quarry and Foster were also arguably out of their prime with multiple losses at the time. Spinks was undefeated, Holmes had two very controversial losses (which I believe he won the rematch) and his wins over some of Holmes leftovers where at least decent even if they weren’t as good as foster and Mathis and he beat more champions which has to mean something, Tony tubbs, Tucker, bone crusher smith etc werent the greatest but they managed to all win a title. This is almost a devils advocate argument for me seeing as how Fraziers one of my favourite boxers and Tyson isn’t in my top 100, but I do think you’re being a little harsh on tyson to say Frazier had a better resumè
@@judex3226 I also think Frazier would’ve beaten Mike Tyson in all honesty, it would’ve been an explosive fight but I think Frazier would’ve weathered the storm and landed one of his classic left hooks and had tyson looking like he did against Buster Douglas, so trust me I’m not one of those people who thinks tyson was this unbeatable force in his prime, far from it
When Tyson fought Marvin Frazier he commented on the look from Joe.. recognized him as a fighting man.❤
Man, whoever you are you really do a fine job with these videos. I'm literally almost moved to tears watching this. And I'm sitting at bar of a restaurant lol
Very well produced. Great clips, well written, nicely narrated and a respectful tribute to Mathis. Keep going. You're doing a terrific job!
Joe is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. He fought much taller and heavier men and knocked most of them out.
but he didn’t do so well against Foreman 🤫
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He’d left a lot of himself in the ring after the first fight with Ali.
Besides he gave Ali his hardest fights of his career in part 1 & 3 of their trilogy and yet Ali easily beat Foreman. Styles make fights, Fraziers fighting style was difficult to handle for most of his opponents including Ali but obviously not for Foreman.
Yes, very true “styles make fights” …… Ali had some trouble against both joe frazier and ken norton, yet formen threw them around the ring like they were rag dolls 😩
He won an Olympic Gold metal as an amateur. He was always well known as a pro.
UNKOWN??? Hardly. He was undefeated and had already beaten Bonavena, Chuvalo, Doug Jones, Eddie Machen. Not to mention he was the Olympic gold medal winner in 1964.
Frazier wasn't exactly an unknown in 1968. He was ranked as one of the world's top heavyweights and had won an Olympic gold medal 4 years earlier. Pretty well known in the boxing world.
RIP Smokin Joe
Joe Smokin Frazier 🔥
Mathis was way better than I realised and he was huge!
Mathis beautiful mover for such a big man
Dad would always talk about Joe. I grew up in the Ali era. That Buster Mathis reminded me a bit of Ali but a bigger version. Very quick for his size. Lots of respect to these guys.
RIP Buster
Insane amount of punches thrown by heavyweight s,
Amiable is a top definition of Joe Frazier. Gentleman was Joe’s character and sport was his style.
buster mathis probably gave joe frazier his toughest win
This fight is almost like a prequel or preview of Fraziers fight with Ali, Mathis has similar style and dimensions to Ali
One of the toughest Heavyweight Champions of all times🥊🥊🥊🥊🥊
This edit, was soooo good 🔥
I've got nothing bad to say about Buster. He took the loss gracefully. That is the sign of a true champion.
Didn't realise how big Mathis was: he's like Riddick Bowe! 😲
my thoughts too
Nice, really good work.
I read a book in high school I believed titled The Heavyweight Champions. That book said Joe asked if he could tag along with the team as a sparring partner and that Buster’s injury came from hitting the top of Frazier’s head. I have not been able to find that elsewhere
Most relentless boxer ever
Great fight!!
Joe couldn't do anything against George Foreman. The main reason reason is because he didn't treat him with the same respect and attention that he gave Ali. He showed up to Jamaica overweight, overconfident and he grossly underestimated Foreman's power and ability.
He lost twice vs Foreman, Foreman beat every short inside boxer he fought, key to beat Foreman is staying outside, jab, footwork, and Joe didn't have it
@@MuhammadAli-kg7ij I agree to disagree with you. Late 60's Frazier who was the champion during Ali's exile was a different animal than the fighter who showed up to defend the title in 1973.
Great fight!
Unknown?
He was an Olympic gold medalist in the 1964 games.
Love that new logo, we’re here for it boys!
Unknown? Whaaat are you talking about? He was the Olympic gold medalist and top contender challenging for the heavyweight crown. Believe me, I was alive and paying attention at the time, Joe Frazier was never "unknown" after he won the Olympics.
Buster was a good man. Frazier was also a good man . Ali called frazier an Uncle Tom. Frazier was not . Americans should never forget that. Choose your heroes .
Hate to judge people by their worst moments, so I try very hard to forget that Ali compared Frazier to a gorilla in front of news cameras. Beyond despicable, to barrow your sick burns from the worst racist tropes of the KKK.
This is better than most Expertly produced documentaries.
Thank you 😊
1:04 beautiful flush left hook. On Ali no less.. Signature Style of Smokin Joe Frazier.
Ur up there joe,with the greats,it broke my heart when big George 4man dumped you on the canvass.we all love and respect u joe rip my friend
Joe Frazier vs Rocky Marciano..oh what a fight that would be.
Smokin’ Joe was the best ! 💥🥊
A good left hook is a killer. Worked ok for Tyson too.
Buster looked strong in the early rounds. He had quick hands a very good footwork. Just looking at the two fighters physiques one would think Frazier would have the advantage the longer the fight went and that is exactly what happened. My guess is Frazier trained harder than Mathis. BTW: a sign of the times I guess, but did you notice at the 4:40 mark the announcer (Cosell?) calls both of the boxers "boys". That would definitely not be allowed today!
Joe was a great World Champion
Smokin Joe. My favorite boxer of all time. His most famous nickname is Smokin Joe. But I think of him as Never Quit Joe
Those images were AFTER the Mathis fight, not before!?
:)))
I think Joe Frazier became old the night before he fought Foreman the 1st time. For Frazier to be a tiny bit slower, he couldn't execute his renowned left hooks to land cleanly onto Foreman. This is boxing. Even gayweather said a boxer can unknowingly or unaware of getting old overnight.
"Three bound rout"??
Buster was always a greater human being than he was a fighter otherwise he would have been an all time great.
Boxing history is littered with too many names to mention in his regard.
I would like to take this time to mention that there are many great athletes both in and outside the sport outside of boxing (too many to mention) that can be an inspiration to humanity.
I believe that those we admire the the the most can be inspired by ordinary people doing their best to to accomplish excellence in what they do, and I believe that anyone who met Joe Frazier would be inspired by him because he was a fine human being as much as an athlete.
When they hit each other it sounds like two tree trunks smacking each other
If you weren’t a giant like Foreman or a boxing genius like Ali you had a serious problem if you were boxing Joe Frazier!!! Because he was stronger as. the fight progressed whereas most fighters would become exhausted in the late rounds. One of a kind tremendous will to win,plus one of the best left hooks in boxing history .
yeah. ridiculous cardio. also crazy to calculate the calorie burn for a fight like this.
This has to be written by a computer or an alien.
Prime Joe is about as close as a heavyweight can get to Henry Armstrong at his best.
R.i.p smoking joe
What’s a 3 bound rout?
Man who inspired and starred in ROCKY?
Mr Frazier
Only Mathis touch gloves Frazier wanted his head
I'm a cousin to his son Zeus Frazier who's a professional boxer as well!!!
What is a three bound rout?
Three round bout is the standard round in amateur boxing
@@ovehernandez2708 you haven’t answered my question. Try reading it.
@@digitalimager4946 about try spelling your words correctly then so there no misunderstanding
I take it English is not your first language.@@ovehernandez2708
@@digitalimager4946he did answer your question
Joe lost the first and last of his two amateur defeats??
JOE FRAZIER
In his book Frazier said Mathis was a big P for not fighting in the Olympics in 64” cause of the hand. I don’t agree, fighting one handed would be stupid 😏
Funny, looks like the Frazier Alie fight....with even the same comments...........
Smoking Joe beat Buster Mathis ass
Great video
Love Joe smoking Joe . RIP .
Joe still votes in Philly elections
Was this vacant heavyweight title the result of Muhammad Ali’s very unjust conviction for refusing to fight in Vietnam?
Yes it was. Then Frazier smoked Ali in his title defense.
@@KoovinCartoonsthank you.
What a fighter Frazier was with his unmistakable style he was all action
How on earth could you call Joe Frazier when he fought Buster Mathis in 1968 "Unknown"?! 😮😮
That ship sailed after he won the gold medal in Tokyo 4 years before.
Also, he was 67, not 70 when he died.
Ali & Frazier had some small patch ups in their relationship for years, but Ali's mostly unrepentant attitude towards his Cruelty (& taking advantage of vicious racist stereotypes) after Joe had given him money AND tried to get Ali his license back in exile made it hard to make lasting amends.
Given the inaccuracies here, I wonder IF the story of them reconciling on Frazier's deathbed is true.
I never heard that specific claim.
Ali never did apologise directly to Joe his pride got in the way I don't blame Frazier for not forgiving him he pretty much turned his own people against him
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Frazier did not inspire the story of Rocky.
Joe was very much involved with boxing in his later years. U must of hit that pipe to finish your vid.
AND he still votes democrat every election!
Three bound rout
Joe frazier was not unknown,after all he was an Olympic champion, and much talked about. You're talking rubbish 🗑. Click bait.