Probably one of the better animated dogfights in this show imho. The fact that you can clearly see Kitori's F1 doing a high yo-yo to use her speed and momentum to get behind the Mig. The camera angle following the F1 as she rolls back behind the Mig is wonderful too. The camera angles in this F1 vs Mig21 fight alone is probably one if not the only times Area-88 demonstrates understanding of BFM and camera work. I mean they probably do, but because of the low budget it doesn't come across.
This was certainly an interesting anime In the English Dub, they brought in a military correspondant to help with getting brevity codes and such right, which is sorely missed in the OVAs and Manga
@@alessandromazzini7026 idk where you got your taste from but the fairchild a10 warthog is probably one of the most heavily armed and durable jet fighters the entire us militairy has ever seen.
@@Not0nSaturn oh look someone who drank the reformer koolaid. No its not. Yes its an engineering flex, but the mission profile of the thing is dumb. And while the C models were effective in Iraq they were mostly doing hellfire runs. A couple of shilkas would knock them out of the sky. Manpads will eat them alive. Despite its bombastic reputation of returning tailless after a random 23mm hit, its "flying tank" moniker is overrated. Sure the bathtub is armoured, but not everything else. The only way for CAS to work in the age of proliferated air defense is stand-off weapons. F-16s can do that. If anything the moment a couple of A-10s came back with bitten off tails from 23mm hits they began doing hellfire runs instead. And for low-cost counterinsurgency? A-10Cs are actually expensive to operate, not to mention having an entirely niche plane when a Super Tucano can do the job well. I don't know where you get your circlejerk from (probably Discovery Channel and CNN and reformer Pierre Sprey garbage), but this ain't it chief.
A-4 cruises at roughly the same speed as a Mig and a Tomcat, and since most ACM takes place at subsonic speeds, the A-4 has an upper edge with mobility. The F-14 and Mig-21 however, are interceptors, and thus can push to higher speeds when needed (at the expense of maneuvrability)
A-4 lacks the engine power and energy retention to do sustained combat. F-4E however has wing slats that help it increase it's turn rate and hold energy and MiG21 has a lot of engine power and nose authority, besides that both of these supersonics are, well, supersonics, that can disengage at any time and send a missile anytime they want.
Area 88 was never the ultimate in realism, just check (in both the old OVAs and in the new series) the "fangs" or what I liked to call "one side of a cage" and how the planes got through by folding their wings in mid-air (...) and not getting damaged. :P
Hi sparrowlt...what do you think of the Mirage F1 design....i think the Mig 21 has problem decresing his speed in high speed manouvering...and another thing what do you think will be the best fighter if the mig and the mirage had the same engine?
The MIG-21 uses a tailed delta wing and the Mirage a croped delta ... the MIG-21 has better performance in high altitude but the F-1 out-turns the 21 in sustained turn rate.. wich means that with same engine the F-1 would have the advantage.. however at high altitude the delta of the 21 might change things a bit. The F-1 also has better avionics .. Think that when the F-1 was introduced it had like a 40% better performance in turn and energy retention than the Mirage III/V . The Mirage 2000 using a delta and better performance than the F-1 was posible thanks to fly-by-wire and computers. Also Spain for example kept using the F-1 until recently alongside planes like the F-18 and the Eurofighter..and even now they were being considered to buy by Argentine
lol a bvr engagement with that many planes bunched up??!! Long range radar displays aircraft as blips, or dashed lines across the HUD (Russian). Well i guess she had state of the art technology labeling the migs from the harrier, a-4, and tomcat. NICE!
Question 1 Or minuets. Who knows. Sometimes TV and reality don't mingle. Minuets on the screen could be hours, or seconds Question 2) In the very opening, a minuet or so before, you see the control room, listening to thebattle happen as you watch the radar. You hear that every ones out of ammo period. No cannons, no missiles, nothing. If the MiGs know this, then why evade? Question 3) You answered that already. Geek :P The fact that I know what happened before is proof that I am also
hmm you know, they should have a f-15 in this anime. or an a-10 modded out with afterburners. Every other plane has one. lol. i wonder if you can do that.
not the wing only.. look at 1:58 there is smoke coming from the mid fuselage .. at least some rounds hit the main fuselaje ahead of the engine.. wich is where the fuel goes (a different matter is that it wouldnt blow up seconds AFTER being hit..but by the hit schreding the fuel tank ... but ok)
Indeed, one of the points why i dont like this show is.. although it is less action packed.. why woulndt they use BVR mode? o.o.. instead of going in a close as hell dog fight.. they could have taken em out A LONG TIME AGO.. xD
@@sparrowlt well, I’m more used to seeing a M-2000 when I hear the word “Mirage” and the Mitsubishi F-1 licence built F-16 when I hear “F1” in terms of aviation and the . Plus in my defence, I’ve never heard of a F-1 Mirage before. Not that I’m trying to make an excuse
@@lt_darkseekerantique3911 Its ok.. its a Mirage F-1 ..its one of the Mirage line of fighters and the only one to have an actual tail instead of a tailless delta wing.. it was more manevorable than the Mirage III/V.. Eventually Dassault went back to the Delta wing with the 2000 because fly-by-wire allowed them to overcome the delta wing shortcomings while taking advantage of its pluses
@@sparrowlt huh, so that’s why I’ve never heard of the F-1. Now I’m concerned that Gaijin might get their hands on it and add it to the French Tech tree. Then, I’ll never be forgetting about the F-1....
falso.. puedes citarme en que encuentro? porque lo que yo veo dice otra cosa: -6 november 1981 Maj Johan Rankin shots down a MIG-21 with guns -5 october 1982 Maj Rankin and wingman intercept 2 MIG-21s.. shot down one , damage the other who escapes -20 Feb 1988 Mirage F-1 shot dwon by SAM -19 March 1988 Mirage F1 lost, presumed by SAM -27 september 2 MIrage F1 try to intercept 2 Cuban MIG-23.. but are fired upon and damaged.. no aircraft loses (quizas te refieras a esto) -september 1987 Mirage F-1s try to intercept cuban MIG-23 without sucess -Feb 1988 A Mirage F1 tried to intercept a MIG-23 and failed Tal vez te refieras a los MIG-23 cubanos que si tuvieron exito contra el F-1 Sudafricano..aunque ninguno logro derribar al otro (si dañarlo gravemente)
Probably one of the better animated dogfights in this show imho. The fact that you can clearly see Kitori's F1 doing a high yo-yo to use her speed and momentum to get behind the Mig. The camera angle following the F1 as she rolls back behind the Mig is wonderful too.
The camera angles in this F1 vs Mig21 fight alone is probably one if not the only times Area-88 demonstrates understanding of BFM and camera work. I mean they probably do, but because of the low budget it doesn't come across.
Yeah. The OVAs are also pretty bad (despite being high budget
@@Tigershark_3082 well this was made in the early to mid 2000s, the CGI wasn't the greatest
Sure but those 30mm DEFA should have shredded the MiG, not put holes (rifle caliber holes, by the looks of it) in the wing.
@@kylebrady969I was just about to say that. Also the MIG exploded? There’s nothing explosive in the wing though
This was certainly an interesting anime
In the English Dub, they brought in a military correspondant to help with getting brevity codes and such right, which is sorely missed in the OVAs and Manga
So many Warthunder moments in this anime.
I wish they had Mirage IIIs in this anime. You can't have desert warfare without Mirage IIIs and Mig-21s.
In the original anime and OVA they had KFirs.. in this they put some Drakens but only as background sadly
Oh my god that video from 2006 and you still talking about it XD
Well in the manga they did have one F-15 (the personal jet of the base commander) and one A-10 (tought the A-10 didnt had burners)
A_10 doesn't have burners and also A-10 is a piece of crap plane
@@alessandromazzini7026 idk where you got your taste from but the fairchild a10 warthog is probably one of the most heavily armed and durable jet fighters the entire us militairy has ever seen.
@@Not0nSaturn And it needs total air supremacy to operate at all. If the other guy's air force is still flying, A-10s aren't.
@@Not0nSaturn oh look someone who drank the reformer koolaid.
No its not. Yes its an engineering flex, but the mission profile of the thing is dumb. And while the C models were effective in Iraq they were mostly doing hellfire runs. A couple of shilkas would knock them out of the sky. Manpads will eat them alive. Despite its bombastic reputation of returning tailless after a random 23mm hit, its "flying tank" moniker is overrated. Sure the bathtub is armoured, but not everything else. The only way for CAS to work in the age of proliferated air defense is stand-off weapons. F-16s can do that. If anything the moment a couple of A-10s came back with bitten off tails from 23mm hits they began doing hellfire runs instead. And for low-cost counterinsurgency? A-10Cs are actually expensive to operate, not to mention having an entirely niche plane when a Super Tucano can do the job well.
I don't know where you get your circlejerk from (probably Discovery Channel and CNN and reformer Pierre Sprey garbage), but this ain't it chief.
@@alessandromazzini7026 Its so "piece of crap" that is still the best design possible for its role and no one has still come with a worthy replacement
A-4 cruises at roughly the same speed as a Mig and a Tomcat, and since most ACM takes place at subsonic speeds, the A-4 has an upper edge with mobility. The F-14 and Mig-21 however, are interceptors, and thus can push to higher speeds when needed (at the expense of maneuvrability)
But with the Tomcat’s veritable geometry wings, the Tomcat can be very dangerous in the hands of a skilled pilot.
@@1LEgGOdt that comment was 15 years ago hahah. I wasnt even born then
A-4 lacks the engine power and energy retention to do sustained combat. F-4E however has wing slats that help it increase it's turn rate and hold energy and MiG21 has a lot of engine power and nose authority, besides that both of these supersonics are, well, supersonics, that can disengage at any time and send a missile anytime they want.
man where did you get it?
please tell me i want it in subs spanish ;D
Area 88 was never the ultimate in realism, just check (in both the old OVAs and in the new series) the "fangs" or what I liked to call "one side of a cage" and how the planes got through by folding their wings in mid-air (...) and not getting damaged. :P
I LOVE THE F-14
Hi sparrowlt...what do you think of the Mirage F1 design....i think the Mig 21 has problem decresing his speed in high speed manouvering...and another thing what do you think will be the best fighter if the mig and the mirage had the same engine?
The MIG-21 uses a tailed delta wing and the Mirage a croped delta ... the MIG-21 has better performance in high altitude but the F-1 out-turns the 21 in sustained turn rate.. wich means that with same engine the F-1 would have the advantage.. however at high altitude the delta of the 21 might change things a bit.
The F-1 also has better avionics ..
Think that when the F-1 was introduced it had like a 40% better performance in turn and energy retention than the Mirage III/V . The Mirage 2000 using a delta and better performance than the F-1 was posible thanks to fly-by-wire and computers.
Also Spain for example kept using the F-1 until recently alongside planes like the F-18 and the Eurofighter..and even now they were being considered to buy by Argentine
Also do you know if the Su-17 was the first swing wing jet?
Acording to wikipedia it was the Bell X-5
16 years ago this was uploaded, now the algorithm is slinging really randomly esoteric stuff at me… But it’s not wrong!
i love MIG-21))
Eu também
MIG21ってドライウイングじゃないっけ？
Silent Bellnuk the Great Lady
hahah lol. I wonder if you can do that tho. Rig an afterburner to a fan.
탑건 애니판
lol a bvr engagement with that many planes bunched up??!! Long range radar displays aircraft as blips, or dashed lines across the HUD (Russian). Well i guess she had state of the art technology labeling the migs from the harrier, a-4, and tomcat. NICE!
Ever heard IFF?
@@rain_f i am 3 years late but the cyrano that the mirage f1 uses doesnt actually have iff
Forgot the F-117 that got shot down too.
画像にトップガンの影響が見えますね。
Question 1
Or minuets. Who knows. Sometimes TV and reality don't mingle. Minuets on the screen could be hours, or seconds
Question 2)
In the very opening, a minuet or so before, you see the control room, listening to thebattle happen as you watch the radar. You hear that every ones out of ammo period. No cannons, no missiles, nothing. If the MiGs know this, then why evade?
Question 3)
You answered that already. Geek :P The fact that I know what happened before is proof that I am also
hmm you know, they should have a f-15 in this anime. or an a-10 modded out with afterburners. Every other plane has one. lol. i wonder if you can do that.
1.) The US doesn't just hand off their F-15s willy nilly to anyone (until they have the F-22s that is)
2.) No. Just no.
imagine a Mirage F1 actually being decent
it was actually decent
@@sparrowlt I think it's a reference to War Thunder.
In War Thunder, the Mirage F1C doesn't do well
@@Tigershark_3082 oh .. well seeinbg how that pay2win thing goes im not surprised
You can, if you are wearing NVG's.
なんでミラージュにスパローが積んであって、しかもイナート弾なのに撃墜できてんねん。真面目に制作せんかい。
The have the same new plane as you guys
What did this show get that Ace Combat got wrong about the F1? Ace Combat shows the F1 with two engines [which it never had].
MiG -21 the Best !!)))))))))))))))))))
なんでハリアーがフィシュベッドから逃げ切れないの？ループで簡単に逃げられるだろうに
セラの替わりなんだろけど、正気嫌いなんだよなぁあ
Smh the MiG-21 blew up with only shots hitting the wing
not the wing only.. look at 1:58 there is smoke coming from the mid fuselage .. at least some rounds hit the main fuselaje ahead of the engine.. wich is where the fuel goes (a different matter is that it wouldnt blow up seconds AFTER being hit..but by the hit schreding the fuel tank ... but ok)
Must be incendiary
Indeed, one of the points why i dont like this show is.. although it is less action packed.. why woulndt they use BVR mode? o.o.. instead of going in a close as hell dog fight.. they could have taken em out A LONG TIME AGO.. xD
Every one was out of ammo xd
Is that aircraft the lady is flying supposed to be a F-16? Because it looks more of a F-11F or a F-105 rather than a falcon
What part of Mirage F-1 vs MIG-21 you dont understand? :D
@@sparrowlt well, I’m more used to seeing a M-2000 when I hear the word “Mirage” and the Mitsubishi F-1 licence built F-16 when I hear “F1” in terms of aviation and the . Plus in my defence, I’ve never heard of a F-1 Mirage before. Not that I’m trying to make an excuse
@@lt_darkseekerantique3911 Its ok.. its a Mirage F-1 ..its one of the Mirage line of fighters and the only one to have an actual tail instead of a tailless delta wing.. it was more manevorable than the Mirage III/V.. Eventually Dassault went back to the Delta wing with the 2000 because fly-by-wire allowed them to overcome the delta wing shortcomings while taking advantage of its pluses
@@sparrowlt huh, so that’s why I’ve never heard of the F-1. Now I’m concerned that Gaijin might get their hands on it and add it to the French Tech tree. Then, I’ll never be forgetting about the F-1....
Mig 21cubanos resultó vencedor contra F1 sudafricanos en la guerra del chaparral.
falso.. puedes citarme en que encuentro? porque lo que yo veo dice otra cosa:
-6 november 1981 Maj Johan Rankin shots down a MIG-21 with guns
-5 october 1982 Maj Rankin and wingman intercept 2 MIG-21s.. shot down one , damage the other who escapes
-20 Feb 1988 Mirage F-1 shot dwon by SAM
-19 March 1988 Mirage F1 lost, presumed by SAM
-27 september 2 MIrage F1 try to intercept 2 Cuban MIG-23.. but are fired upon and damaged.. no aircraft loses (quizas te refieras a esto)
-september 1987 Mirage F-1s try to intercept cuban MIG-23 without sucess
-Feb 1988 A Mirage F1 tried to intercept a MIG-23 and failed
Tal vez te refieras a los MIG-23 cubanos que si tuvieron exito contra el F-1 Sudafricano..aunque ninguno logro derribar al otro (si dañarlo gravemente)
sparrowJLT hay un derribo que la FA. Sudafricana no reconoce, a eso me refiero, otro que llegó a su base pero en el aterrizaje se destruyó.
WTF is that
Nobody cares about how some of the planes turn into English electric lightings and me 262s in some shots