Native Skywatchers with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Dr. Annette Lee - Cosmic Queries
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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2024
- What does the night’s sky look like for Indigenous peoples? On this episode, Neil deGrasse Tyson and comic co-host Negin Farsad take a deep dive into the constellation map of Indigenous skies with professor Annette Lee.
What do the constellations look like for Indigenous cultures? What is “kapenmi”? We discuss the connection between earth and sky as they echo different teachings. What is “etuaptmumk”? Find out about the skywatching traditions of Ojibwe, Lakota, Aboriginal groups, and Annette’s work with Native Skywatchers. What are current views on light pollution?
Is it more than just light pollution? We break down our current connection to the skies and navigate modern distractions. Are current generations still looking up? Is our night sky going extinct as we know it? How has Indigenous sky tracking changed over time? How many constellations do we still have? We explore parallels in Indigenous and Western constellations, our connection to the moon, and some stories that connect us to the stars.
How has science education changed over the last decade? How do you help underrepresented groups to see themselves as STEM professionals? What are our favorite objects in the night sky that can be seen with a naked eye? What’s the farthest object we can see unaided? Plus, discover the ubiquity of the Pleiades across many cultures and what other themes carry through their mythology.
Thanks to our Patrons Nickalos Early, s0upik, Alex Redner, Dustin Dunston, Dawn Carter, JD Holwick, and Loyd Elmore Jr for supporting us this week.
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00:00 - Introductions
6:28 - What is Native Skywatchers?
12:35 - "Etuaptmumk" or Two-Eyed Seeing
13:40 - Patreon Q&A
15:19 - How does light-pollution affect people's perceptions of the night sky?
20:34 - How has the science of 'sky tracking' evolved?
29:19 - How does the moon being tidally-locked change people's perspective of it?
34:28 - Which indigenous astronomical discoveries preceded Western ones?
37:09 - How is science education changing to engage young learners?
39:50 - Annette's favorite astronomical observation one can make without a telescope
42:04 - Commonalities between Indigenous origin stories of the universe
46:29 - How did the Native Americans create Kivas?
47:48 - Closing notes - Věda a technologie
What a beautiful episode, and the way that Dr. Annette spoke was so inspiring.❤
Annette Lee was on fire this episode. Literally, I could see the smoke.
she was burning either Sweet Grass and/or Sage😉
The way she just started talking and i was completely invested. A compelling guest! I wish to know more about natives perspectives across the world
I love how Dr. Lee doesn't know about TikTok but has probably the best internet connection than any other guest on this show. Her video feed was so pristine the entire time.
Five minutes in and Dr. Annette speaks with such passion that I'm hooked for the episode 🙌🏼. Just beautiful.
totally agree, Dr. Annette put me at ease and got me excited about the stars all at once.
I really think it would be cool if you could do this for all the ancient peoples around the world and then we can try and figure out what parallels they have
A weird one is that the Greeks and the Aborigines have the same story for Orion and the seven sisters...
I want to just mention that nobody can talk for all Native American people, especially not if they are not a RED skin Native American. Unless the Cherokee diverges greatly from it's own belief foundations, we are still waiting for it...
On a unrelated topic, have you ever met a person whom you want at all of your parties, because nobody can possibly be in a room with them and not feel like a genius?
This is starting to sound like Ancient Aliens now
Who are you talking to? They use a service to upload videos and maintain the youtube account. You think Dr. Tyson is reading the comments? When's the last time youve seen a heart or a reply from star talk on any comment? Never
@@michaelallen2971 talking to whoever read it so u and me and however many others. It was a good comment calm down.
Annin(Hello),
Aniishinabe(Ojibwe or Chippewa), Minnesotian, and science enthustists here. This is a good podcast. Fun and exciting to hear my home being brought up and our native peoples.
I'm of Chippewa Cree and Lakota Sioux descent and this is an amazing episode
This is 1 of my favorite episodes of StarTalk. I'm so fascinated by this guest, thank you for sharing her brilliance with the rest of us! Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Egyptians, Native North and South Americans, and Aboriginals were our species' first scientists. If we could bridge ancient spirituality with modern science, it could lead to some amazing strides in astronomy, anthropology, historical cartography... I mean, imagine if we never lost the Library of Alexandria, or the House of Wisdom of the Golden Age of Baghdad... So much sacred knowledge and collective memories of our species, just... Gone.
A very pleasant woman tells the story. Would listen to her all day
I always wish there were more questions and the videos were longer. I could watch 8hr episodes. Thank you for another wholesome learning experience once again!
After reading many comments where people said that this was not about science, but about native american "woo woo", I have a question. Did you read the title of this episode? It begins with Native American Skywatchers. So, what did you expect it to be about with a title like that? Why not a bit of historical perspective on astronomy? And who better than a Native American (albeit mixed-race, as she herself stated) who is an astrophysicist? I thought Dr Lee did a great job of communicating how her ancestors studied the sky, at least within the limitations of this format.
This episode is wonderful and it made me realize how we've essentially thrown poetry out the window in my culture at least (the USA). She would say these descriptions and phrases and stories describing the stars (or lack thereof) and it was all beautiful.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I wonder if the haters would react the same way if the panel had discussed, say, Norse cosmology.
When she said the stars are our relatives I initially laughed, but then realized how right she is 🤯 😂
Thank you for this! What a great conversation! I feel that connection to the land and sky, and I'm so glad to hear it discussed! And you reminded me how lucky I am to just be able to SEE the stars - Michigan's U.P. is pretty dark at night 🌌🌟🌠
No Chuck 😞
5 minutes in and this is one of my favourite episodes already.
Such a pleasure to get a new episode at the end of my shift ❤️
We are all born scientists, we are all born artists. Teaching and cultures disrupt these natural tendencies.
So engaging, we can understand how this is effective in reaching children. 📡 Love such genius work!
loved this....do it again...thank you all!!
Loved that opening speech about how our bodies are made from earth but our souls are from the sky above
I wish I had a show like this with everyone sending good vibes
It would be awesome to see these star maps either in a phone app or added to an existing one (Stellarium, etc) so that one could go outside and find where to look to identify various constellations.
And I still love Nageen's laugh 😀
Anyone else disappointed we got no Chuck today?
I listened to this episode while running in the beach. I loved it magical, Thank you for making feel the interconnection of nit only the earth but the earth and sky.
Annette is amazing.
Lord Nice, come back to us
That woman with the red glasses came across as so disrespectful and narrow-minded, like she had no idea that her perspective is just one of many. Cringey and awkward. I thoroughly enjoyed hearing the eloquent, humorous, charming and knowledgeable guest sharing her wisdom and culture.
she’s a comedian...i think it’s in her nature
@@whatifineverfeelbetter not in chucks nature
@@whatifineverfeelbetter she's not a very good comedian. I'd say she better not give up her day job, but she isn't funny, and sucks even more as a co-host.
The show would have been better with Chuck.
I love all your shows and guests too but I like cosmic queries with just chuck. I hope you get back to that as there are lot of people with lots of queries waiting to hear from you yourself. Love from India
Yes
wait why would native Americans have any concept of lions?????
Another very interesting episode. I love cosmis queries
One guest was doing ketamine the other was smoking that good stuff
And the other peyote
I read this comment before even starting the video. I'm not even halfway through and I'm really starting to see what you mean lol
Last time I threw out my back I was innthe hospital for 3 days hooked up to a iv of strong pain meds and ketatmine and I can say the ketamine was pretty damn fun little trip.
@@garretthurtt6254 wish they'd do that for my back 😅😅
Freedom
Fantastic video !!! I did expect the subject to be more historic and scientific. Which people did discover what when in the skies? When did the sun become the center of our solar system? What did natives do with their findings in the skies? What about Antikythera? ....
This was great. Thanks for sharing this perspective.
What a great listen.
When I saw smoke coming from Dr. Annetta ‘s table, I thought: wow that’s good simulation of pollution 😂
This was beautiful
Please invite Dr. Lee back soon!!!! I would love to hear from her a few time a year if it works with her schedule!
It's pretty wild too because what was lost in colonization is also where we were in a certain point in the universe. Our common Greek/Roman constellations are also changing as we move within the galaxy within the universe--slowly for us, but they are always changing.
This was pretty good 👏 I was smiling the whole time 👍
Where is chuck?😡
Right
probably working.
#DrAnnetteLee … Washté !
Thank you for reminding us of the importance of the knowledge that we are connected with the universe ! It brings us to an understanding of spiritual recognition beyond the science and how it is all connected long before Carl Sagan taught us the same concept. “We are stardust.”
As Above : So Is Below
… all my relations Rodney Spotted Eagle
On the subject of light pollution, San Diego California changed the street lights because it was interfering with observations on Mt. Palomar. Side note, I go outside to smoke and regularly say hi to the moon, planets, and stars.
Star Talk: When will you have Dr Becky? Who is
Rebecca Smethurst? She is a British astrophysicist, author, and CZcamsr who is a Junior Research Fellow at the University of Oxford. ... Smethurst hosts her own CZcams channel called Dr. Becky where she posts science communication videos related to astronomy research and amateur astronomy.
The land where the water reflects the sky - beautiful, romantic, spiritual. What is a reflection? Magic of the stars? Do reflected and reflected meet? Who's generosity convinced water to give reflection? What's the difference between the stars in the water and the stars in the skies? When the eyes or the spirit go to the reflections in the water, do they also go to the stars?
"The stars are our oldest living relatives." Just massively profound.
Hello from Mongolia!!!
Thank you 🤩
I love this program please keep on keeping on
amazing!
Science and art.... Very cool!
We are peace ✌ hope 🙏❤
This is a rough one to follow..
Excellent!
I loved today's guest, she's great at explaining stuff in an interesting and energetic way. But the comedian wasn't all that great, I miss Chuck! Anyway this subject got me thinking about stuff I knew something about, not that much, but I love learning about things I'm already interested in and then finding out about different perspectives about aforementioned subject of interest. Great show.
She never really is. Super cringe. Chuck is great, love Matt Kirshen*, and a great number of others... But she just doesn't fit in my opinion. (As I typed that she shrieked with that lovely nasal ketamine comment 🙄🤢)
@@MattIsntYoung I agree and you definitely articulated better than I did why I just roll my eyes whenever I see her on the show... Chuck is great, funny, witty and intelligent. He can hold his own, and even the british guy who played pro soccer I believe, loved him as well.
@@midoribishithegamer yes! His name isn't coming to mind right now but he's a hearty co-host as well. Now she's on about her stigmatism*... Exactly what we're here for 🤔😅
@@MattIsntYoung yep he totally is, and yeah she seemed to wanna make it all about her. Like we're to learn about this subject matter and not focus on you and astigmatism....
I would retort that having Chuck more often might make us more used to him and his comments. The wheel, you know.
Love this show.
Ket therapeutics
This is how we know the value of Chuck Nice.
I love and respect start talk for this>>>>>>>>> miss my grandma^^^^^^^^^^
I love this guy. 🎉
So what happens to air in space I see it gets sucked out but where does it go? Does it float around in a ball shape? Or does it go to all four corners? Or does it get sucked in by gravity? But what about if you are near no gravity where would it go then?
Primordial
Enjoyed Annette.
Where chuck
In Palm Springs, you can also see the witch in the San Jacinto mountain.
I distinctly remember Carl Sagan, in the original broadcast of "Cosmos" say, "We are star stuff!"
Sir please make video on topic
(Is time travel is possible or not.)
Why don’t you’ll provide links to her work too? 🥸🤓😎
there's always so much to learn 🌌
This is a Cosmic Queerie I have been thinking a lot about.
I heard that for something traveling the speed of light, time passes infinitely quickly. So I've been thinking, does that mean something traveling 99% the speed of light would feel time is 99% shorter? If so, we could make a ship traveling 99% C, which is possible, and *for it,* it would arrive to Alpha Centuari in just around half a year.
If we could reach 99.999% the speed of light, we could make it almost anywhere in virtually no time for the passengers.
No, time does not pass at all for something traveling the speed of light. You are right, though, that if one could reach 99.9999% of the speed of light that time would really slow down for the passengers.
Yeah I think you just messed up the fact something travelling the speed of light experiences NO time at all. Otherwise, spot on!
For the first time I noticed, and remember something in my past, that when a Native American talks about something in the Sky, they look up at it as though they are speaking to it, as well as you.
A very inclusive relationship with language, and if I'm not mistaken they speak with a lot of hand jesters, as well as the eye contact, in their description of the relationship between them and what they speak about.
Being Italian, I spoke with a lot of hand jesters as well...
Gestures*
@@beef_trachea I think hand jesters are sock puppets that tell jokes.
Never mind HPO, Netflix, Disney and others, when you have Star Talk....I much rather lose myself and time, traveling among the stars, galaxies, brown dwarfs, black holes, magnatars and much more....hands down!
Neil, thank you ever so very much for always inspire me to look up and dream....and Chuck, thank you....for always making me laugh, even when I don't feel like laughing!
Much love, respect and admiration! 🤗
Chuck isn't in this video.
@@fwd79
I know, I watched the video.... it's meant in case that he by any chance he'd see it, as he is a favourite, NOT taking anything from the others as they're very good as well, but the first Star Talk that I watched, it was Neil and Chuck....😁
I THANK THE CREATOR FOR THIS EPISODE.
A wonderful show, which I will share. But I thought “everyone” knew the moon was higher in winter.
The Inuit have a huge map and many old folk still around. Savanna peoples of Africa would also have a huge volume of maps.
I would love to see a conversation between Sadhguru and Dr. Tyson. Spiritual and Science. Let's make it happen! 🙏
Including Dr. Lee
Dr. Annette was epic
Love you guys I wished u didn't have the lighting round I like the longer answers best
Dang.. Missing chuck
Have we forgot that Mel Brooks' character Comicus was a "Stand-up Philosopher"? Or as Bee Arthur said "Oh! A BS Artist!"
I love Annette
Yay, Minnesota!
15:33 smoking that herb
Thats smudge. It's burnt every day in a lot of homes n when you speak about culture it's kind of a respect thing. It's possibly in smudge bowl in front of her.
To be honest i watched the entire episode but i didnt have any idea what the quest lady was talking about i came here for science but didn't get that i respect her beliefs but i'd rather listen to science
I have a question that has me curious for the answer. First, I want to lay the ground works for my thought in case I am totally wrong, and you can correct me. Energy and matter can not be created, nor destroyed. The Big Bang theory states that all matter and energy was concentrated to one spot. Energy inside matter determines the temperature of that matter. So, if all energy and all matter was in one location, what was the temperature at that location? Is there any way to calculate or determine an approximate answer?
Is her computer overheating and burning up?
It’s all very poetic, beautiful culture. But, realistically, I wonder when the distant ancestors of Native Americans migrated out of Africa ..
We have rough timelines but no real way of being exact. The most consistent number I've come across would be that modern humans originated 200k years ago in south Saharan(though at that point the geography was way different) Africa. 100k years ago humans reached the middle east and eventually Europe and Asia, likely at around the same time, though when you're talking about millennia-long timelines that's a matter of context. Those that went to the Americas did so roughly 15k years ago so relatively recently as far as human existence is concerned.
@@AsobiMedio That date was very recently pushed back a little bit. They found human footprints in White Sands National Park (New Mexico) that date to about 23,000 years. We're still unsure of how long people may have been in the Americas prior to that of course, but it's at least 23K+.
Not that you mean to negate first nations...
@@AsobiMedio closer to 30 thousand years rather than 15. Indigenous Americans are so ancient they are a totally separate "Race" by race and genetic standards; The people who first entered the Americas via Asia are extinct and Native Americans have no close asian relatives today. Thats how old the peopleling of America was.
@@DraconianMithril : Sounds like you need to learn some Science, and read a little paleontology. Stefan Milo might help: czcams.com/video/iM6LSUpanmg/video.html
that story of the bear losing it's tails sounds like those old Nanabush stories.
'Uy' Skweyul from the unceded territories of the Coast Salish nations, specifically the Hul’qumi’num and SENCOTEN speaking peoples.
I actually couldnt get through this one. First time ever.
Why
@@tonygomez573 Because of the guest. There was no real flow. She made basically no sense whatsoever in distinguishing between fact and fiction. It all morphed together into a rather chaotic episode of talking about absolutely nothing of substance. Neil didnt interject or bring her in when she was talking woo woo.
@@STST Yes, completely agree. I didn't finish watching this either. The guest's references were "the teachings" and spiritual woo woo. I'm all about recognizing indigenous culture and traditions but I wanted to hear more science and facts vs. Spiritualism.
I'm not surprised Neil didn't say anything about it. He's a professional. He was respecting her beliefs and viewpoints.
I am all about the respect but I'm not interested in Spiritual teachings or concepts.
As is the deal for me with episodes ft. This co-host. I've spent more time in the comments than I have watching, and I'm barely halfway through.
@@KJ1234 Yes I have admiration in a way of Neil for allowing her own opinions and thoughts out. It just kind of shocked me. But I totally see what you mean. I just dont really think it was the best choice of guest when Neil must basically have the whole Scientific community and beyond lined up to talk to him. The guest was not un pleasant and I am sure she's lovely. But was not a good guest for StarTalk in my ever so humble opinion.
I loved it in Key West when the power lines underwater were knocked out during the storms. So much sky!
Doesn't light pollution disrupt migratory patterns of birds? And the health settings on my phone turn off blue light that disrupts our bioclocks and sleep from exposure after sunset.❤️
I had that exact same experience when I lived in Miami and the power was knocked out for most of the city after a storm.
DR Annette Lee ! You are so smart and very hot! 🔥
Ur the best neil
From what I know(?) about the moon, we only really see one side, so I'm thinking more like if the moon also rotated so we saw more of it, what could that have done to ancient interpretations?
The Moon does indeed rotate, but it’s unfortunately at the same rate that the Earth orbits around the Sun, thus we always see the same view of the Moon.
In response to the light pollution i lost most of my sight more than a decade ago. One big thing that i notice almost daily is that i cannot see stars even in the desert
41:25 love this LOL
If we were in a simulation. is it possible that our universe is surrounded by mirrors and what we see and think is other galaxies is actulaay reflections from different angles of our own galaxy, or maybe reflections from long time ago, again, if our galaxy?
The metrics on this one are going to be rough.
Why is that? I'm asking honestly, because I'm not from the USA and I don't know or understand some aspects of your culture. I thought it went off topic so fast and I felt like she dodged every question using some mythical view of the skies. I respect her culture, and I tried to follow the narrative, but I think she's not following her own people's advice to look with both eyes. She talked a lot about her beautiful and wise culture, but very little about science and astronomy. Some of the issues her people are suffering would really benefit from a more materialistic approach too, rather than just the spiritualistc ways she talked about so much.
Thanks Neil, time to learn/
😌
nxt Explainer video- fabric of space / cosmos / universe (with videos ⁴m brian)
I have a question, light cant escape a black hole but can sound
no sound in space, there needs to be a medium for sound to travel through and in space, there is no medium (particles). actually there are, but so few that sound doesn't travel through it. And when physicists say that light can't escape a black hole, they mean any electromagnetic wave, not just visible light. However, black holes do emit what is called Hawking radiation.