Everything Wrong With My Lexus LS460 *Official Diagnosis*
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- čas přidán 31. 10. 2023
- I got an official diagnosis from a Lexus dealer for over $7000 and it listed all the repairs needed for the 2013 Lexus LS460 AWD.
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Content-wise seems like a perfect car and project. There aren't many videos on this vehicle and it is a very nice Higher end sedan. If I was in the position that I had another vehicle to use in the meantime I would definitely take on the repair myself. I just can't see throwing down that much cash for something that seems like it's within your skill range.
I agree!
100% agree....if it's not your daily, injectors are totally approachable. Might as well replace the in tank fuel pump and filters while you're at it since 1) it likely was never done and 2) no guarantees it saw top tier fuel of the right octane it's entire life.
Higher end*
I was told my drive axles needed to be replaced on my 2014 LS460 F Sport AWD. It came out to almost 4000. I found the parts myself for about 900. I love these cars it's my second 460. You have to be ready to spend some money. I'm thinking about putting mine on CZcams as well.
I'm unclear about the airbag light issue is it the warning light on the instrument cluster or the one that indicates the front passenger seat is occupied so those airbags are activated
Dude you can absolutely do this yourself! If you want/need any official Toyota/Lexus repair manuals or wiring diagrams lmk.
I'd absolutely be doing that repair myself. $7300 is nuts to spend on a vehicle with over 200k miles. Especially since it's not a vehicle that you absolutely must have to drive. It's those rushed, must be fixed ASAP because it's your only car, when things can get super frustrating and go wrong.
I run a used car dealership, in Texas. I specialize in Toyota, Lexus products. from experience I NEVER use anything other than OEM or OEM supplier parts on areas that matter! I learned the hard way, many times.
Large quotes like that are pretty standard at a lexus dealer, I paid for diagnostic for a tranmission leak on an ES and aside from fixing that ($400) they recommended 9k worth of "urgent work". One thing I discovered is that labor rates vary from dealers and some provide better prices.
Great content! I've got a 2011 LS460 RWD and really enjoy it, too. No issues as the mileage is low, but am looking forward to your content. Thanks for putting this stuff out. As these cars age, it really is helpful to have a community that has this kind of interest in DIY. As you have seen, dealers gonna dealer.
dealers gonna stealer.
Oh nah, you absolutely got this. You're a hybrid mechanic/ youtuber/ father, so this is definitely in your wheel house.
Been rooting for you since the first video, and not going to give up on you now.
Go get that LS fixed!
Man I love ur vids man, keep it up. Motivating lotta ppl out here 🫡
Exciting project! I hope it goes well. I’m excited to see it unfold.
Tbh I’m terrified of taking the engine apart and would probably ask Lexus to do it 😆 but I’m optimistic you can do it and it will turn out well ❤
Looking forward to your videos! I'd bring it to my independent mechanic which wouldn't be 7300 but it would probably be 4 or 5. Awesome that you have the skills to dive in yourself I'm envious lol! Good luck I'll be watching the new vids.
Sold my F a while ago because it wasn't what I was looking for (performance was lacking) but I do enjoy content like this! It's crazy because I was looking at both the LS460 and the 1st gen Seiquoa for a third car daily. Good stuff brother
I would call around to a few lexus dealers and try to get them to beat each other on the injector prices and stick to OEM over going with rockauto. Also you should totally be able to do this, but like you said, the downtime might suck but a dealer should be able to get the injectors next day I would think.
I’ve yet to come across dealerships that out compete one another on parts prices. Also, it’s probably the only Lexus dealer in his AO.
Excited to follow along on the journey. I had a 2007 Lexus LS460L which after purchasing i realized was water damaged. Loved the car, but had a nightmare experience with it. Got rid of it after about 6 months. Hoping you will have better luck with this one.
2007-2010 LS460 got lot of issues, glad you got rid of it.
If you could find the time I think it would be awesome content. I would love to watch it. I have a LS430 so a LS460 refresh intriguies me in-case I would ever upgrade!
I'm a new subscriber. PLEASE make videos for DIY of how you fix the Lexus from start to finish for each issue! We would appreciate it!
Love Lexus I’ve had a few big bills on my 450h gs too the last one new ac compressor and exhaust needed.
Called it! Last video on this I said it would likely need replacing of the direct injectors. I wish you luck they are expensive
Yup you were right and I had that feeling too. Nice to get an official diag
Marty you should take the vehicle to another shop and have them perform a proper compression test(Lexus dealers use the tech stream and it uses the starter to get an idea rather than actual compression numbers) and perform a leak down. Lexus diagnosed my ISF as needing a DI for my cylinder 8 misfire. All their diagnosis pointed to that and I changed the injector and still had the misfire. It ended up being a bad intake valve.
Dumb question if you don't mind. Would it have been more cost efficient to simply start replacing parts rather than spending on labor costs to troubleshoot? Of course then you're replacing plugs, coil packs, injectors, intake valve.
The injector job is not that bad to do. Just make sure you get the special service tool to install the direct injector o-rings located where the injector goes into the head. You will need this tool if the new injectors don't come with the O-rings installed. Good luck with the job Marty.
RWD non-air suspension is highly recommended. I have an '07 and have put over 40k miles since September 2019. Best car I've ever sat in or driven. The V8 sound is amazing and rips 0-60mph in 5.4 seconds
Exhaust rattle is from the aluminum shroud above the muffler. Likely drivers side
You can do it. Good video. Thanks.
Man no way.. I would take the Lexus, to a service shop that deals with foreign cars. Repair cost, would drop close to half that.
That sounds about normal for a Lexus dealership & LS is they’re flagship model.. so that price is really not surprising
Stay busy, save money 💰 do it by your self 🙌🏻
DIY it for sure, dealer price is crazy
The first thing to do, guys is find all the codes with a decent scanner. Remember, the codes can be a direct solution but also could be the symptom of the root cause.
I've had a misfire from a harness wire that a mouse ate through from an injector but also had a misfire from an upper stream bad oxygen sensor which is also a fuel senser and comunicates with the ECU. If anyone pays for a diagnostic report, make sure you ask for all the code details. Basically get a decent OBD II scanner and find where your plug goes into for your type of car. Its usually, under the steering wheel dash area.
If you can't do that basic type of diagnostic, then don't even attempt to try.
The key is to not get overwhelmed and be persistent until the process of eliminating things is complete.
I've seen some on craigslist with the same issue. So much for Lexus reliability. I have had several. They are not bullet proof as claimed . The parts can be pricey also.
Eh do the valley plate job yourself. I did mine. All 8 DI injectors are insane. I would still try injector cleaner BG44k or Seafoam before that. Yes things will break in there including the injectors. It's a long job but for 7-8k... you're better off doing it yourself.
Need clawfoot wrenches to take the fuel pumps off. Gaskets and all that would need to be changed. Also I would highly recommend a top creeper as it will make taking the manifold off a lot easier. Otherwise your back is gonna take a beating. Slow and steady all the way. Heat gun to soften plastics. A variety of pics for the connectors, and just be methodical.
Would make for a great vid too. DI injectors need seals for the tips. Takes a special tool to do that and is worth it IMO. Its pretty hard to stretch the seal evenly and then seat it and compress it effectively.
The top of it needs a bunch of seals too. Each injector is about 180 odd dollars from Lexus parts now.
The special tooling put my off at first and might need someone with experience to help me there. I ran 3 different types of injector cleaners in this thing including BG44k twice with no luck sadly.
@@MartyMotoring Ah gotcha. That's unfortunate. The tool isn't bad.
I made a video on how to use it cause there weren't any at the time and I had to adapt.
Never uploaded it though so I'll see if I can find that footage again.
All the hackey stuff of using painters tape or a pen cap and stuff would be great if they compressed the seal evenly which they sadly do not.
Once you buy a full size luxury vehicle with a higher mileage you better off buying an extended warranty if you can find one. These full size luxury sedan ain’t cheap to maintain. Dealer did transmission fluid change on my 20 G90 cost over $600.
car looks great. I purchased a 2011 LS 460L 8 months ago with 100,000 mi on it. I did end up putting all new control arms on it. I absolutely love the car. It is quiet, luxurious and beautiful. I hope to have it for many years.
Have you thrown the heat on at low speeds? Curious if you'll have heat exchanger issues very common to this engine.
@@davidboatman925 well thank God no I have not had an issue with that. And it has 107,000 mi on it right now.
Earlier this year I paid $7,000 to fix the hydraulic suspension on my 2017 QX80. Dealer wanted over ten large. In this market it’s worth it to fix to me.
The valley plate is definitely a known expensive issue. I would suggest watching a car care nut video, he brings up a couple things to do “while you’re in there” because it is labor intensive to get there you only want to go in once.
Lexus Ls460’s are a marvel. Great built cars but they pack a lot of tech. As they age they will get expensive. Parts are not cheap as the car is Lexus Flagship sedan. Good luck on the build and keep documenting
Yeah, Gotta get an extended with any full size luxury sedan.
If it’s not your primary vehicle and you have the time and tools this is actually something you can tackle. When you go to a dealership you will pay for all OEM parts. You go to mechanic you are paying for it to be done in a timely manner and as long as there is no part issue’s usually get it back in 72 hours or less. I myself just don’t have the time if I start it the job would take me probably 3 months. While it’s apart I would go ahead change spark plugs and all belts etc.
I'm seriously considering getting a 2013-2017 LS 460, so I'm letting you go through all this before I pull the trigger on it.
I’m hyped, hardly ever see content with my car
Exactly the reason why I have not pulled the trigger on a purchase of the same model. I realized with pre-owned vehicles there will be some parts and repairs that will need to be done so it can run as smooth as possible for a used car. However, this, while may not cost as much as a pre-owned MB or BWM, will still cost some over a Toyota or a Honda, simply because it is a luxury brand. You are certainly more equipped and able compared to others and I commend you for it. I am excited though to see the final product after you're done with all the repairs. I really, really like this model as it is before the total re-design which makes it looks funny now.
It has less to do with the brand itself and more to do with the specific model. The LS 460 is a money pit. The LS430 on the other hand isn't but still not as cheap as a Toyota Avalon.
If you have the time, tools, space, knowledge, and are confident in your abilities I think you should go for it. I always think of DIY as saving money and learning something, not much in life can save you money and educate you. Go for it!
Have u thought about some good quality fuel injector cleaners, liqui moly worked for me in a 2012 honda pilot. Had to add almost 2 botttles to get a high concentration in my tank. Filled only 35L of fuel and did some highway driving at 70-75mile speeds. Did this 3 times before checking live data for my fuel injection and had a steady pressure on. No misfires for 7months now.
Wow nice! I ran 2 cans of BG44k and no luck. Also ran Lucas fuel system cleaner and nothing. Maybe I’ll have to try liqui moly before I dive in 🤔
Mine is at 177777 and I am just gonna keep her going as long as I can. It was $7k and to make it perfect would be several thousand but it’s not necessary. She starts every time and that’s all I need!
Dealer or DIY are not the only options. I've been looking around at people's ownership experience on these, and each video has something new. Lots of suspension and brake issues with the LS. I think GS or IS would probably be better for me.
I got a buggy p303 misfire I can't figure out either. Replaced the sparkplug wit a denso Iridium and denso coil. I hope I didn't mess up wiring to the coil 😔. I may have a bad injector as well but I thought u get a code for that 🤔. Prolly gonna try some lucas injector cleaner
If the car isn’t driven or plan to be driven I would just do it myself. be careful when working with fuel and work in a well ventilated area
Hey my name is Carlos like your videos I have a question about the rims what year LS 500 are they an did you have to use spacers
These vehicles are less expensive to get but this content is great and better than watching those big wheel show cars 💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎💎
I’m proud owner of 2014 LS , no issues bought used with 98k . Have it for 1.5 years. I have wonder if the previous owner used regular gas and not premium gas ? My thoughts 💭
Lexus injectors are worth the money. I saw a Toyota Lexus tech who said to be careful with fuel injectors
Never trust a dealer shop when the car is out of warranty…Mechanics do not make money unless they are fixing something, in other words, no problem no money. Just be careful…
That’s why I DIY everything I can to save $
@@MartyMotoring I have 2016 Cadillac XTS that I love and will keep until it dies. I bought it as a CPO so it came with a nice warranty in 2018 when I purchased it slightly used. Last year, after the warranty finally ended, I took it the dealer to get an oil change (i had a coupon and while under warranty this Cadillac shop did all of the work and knew the car well) When I go to pick up the car they tell me the manifold has a large crack in it and they could weld it shut for $1500 or I would need a brand new exhaust system that would cost $3000…Later that day I took it to a local mechanic I use for my other cars and asked him to put car on lift to see if he saw the crack…Just as he was lifting it, a friend of his comes strolling into the shop to check on some car work he ( the mechanic ) was doing for him. Well the friend sees that my Caddy is on the lift and says to me, what’s wrong with the car. I explain what the dealer said was wrong and the price…The guy says, “hey do you mind if I take a look, I was a certified Cadillac mechanic for 15 years..” Um, by all means I reply, please take a look tell me if there is really a crack in the manifold. He and local shop mechanic get their flashlights out and go over the under side of my car with a fine tooth comb..They both shake their heads as they approach me and tell me that neither one of them can find the “crack”..Then the former Caddy mechanic says, Sir, I can promise you, there is no crack that needs to repaired….
Ok , two things…1. what a stroke of luck to have the caddy mechanic show up at the exact moment I needed it …2.,I will never take any car I own back to the dealership for work once the warranty is up…there is just to much incentive built in for them to cheat, lie and steal…
so much for the legendary Lexus reliability.
scanning online forums shows the LS460 is a money pit.
probably good as a 2nd or 3rd car and you can DIY.
I would hop in chat and be like, "Hey Marty, can you come out here and fix my V8?" 😀
Valley plate repair is about $2,500 worth of labor when the seal itself is $18. I am not a mechanic so I found another way around the ask. It’s funny they said it’s due to high age, it’s actually due to choices Lexus made and we’re aware of but never remedied. One of the few times that we know they chose money and discretion over the customer and ultimate honor like in previous years. It’s rare but it happened. I wrote directly to Lexus USA with my 2015 LS 460 F - Sport and they helped me out which was ultimately honorable. The dealer thought I was a joke but Lexus USA are very reasonable when held accountable and provided a concession to me within 72 hours of request. With all of that, I used to live outside Hershey and I am familiar with the area where you are at. I would recommend another dealership but at the same time you know what needs to be done and are going to do it yourself. You could get that ask down to around $4,500 or so in the real world if your someone who isn’t a mechanic and needed a second opinion. Well I look forward to the content. My 2015 has 118k and is Starting to need TLC. Trunk doesn’t work now all of a sudden and my Mark Levinson radio is done , aka the amp. I can see where this is going to start adding up when you factor in the air suspension that I can tell is starting to show signs. Fun times lol, love the car but perplexed on if I should keep it and run with her and all the issues that are to come or do I cut and bail out to another and move on. Anyway, great cars when they are going, one of the best dollar for dollar.
It’s kind of crazy how on the internet lot of Lexus owners be like “I had mine for 120k but no issues “. These are all trolls comments because I had an 09 LS460 with so many issues too. The lS400 and LS430 are much reliable that the LS460s.
@@MrGeezilSadly the lexus LS doesn’t live up to lexus reliability reputation. Its is still very reliable in its class but lexus ignored all early models problem and carried them over at least two generations.
@@muhibmahirmahmud8278 At least if Americans live up to their reputation of running their cars into the ground, that is for sure. The LS460 is the worst LS, unless you are more like a Bentley customer. 😉
I would rock auto parts !!! Never had a bad rock auto part
On the plus side: for an engine with 200k miles, it has healthy compression.
Keep this lexus LS460 it's a lot of life still inside the engine of this vehicle.
Hello. Do they charge for the diagnosis?
My Lexus dealer quoted me $4200 for cooler engine plate. I have after market warranty. Out of pocket I had to pay $1100 and the after market warranty pay the rest.
I have a friend in California spent over $7000 on his 2007 LS 6 months ago. They are not cheap to maintain. Brakes are a lot compared to all their other models.
This certainly affirmed my decision to stick with the GS 350 F Sport, until I get my money right.
Think about doing a good fuel injector cleaner, maybe a couple back to back tank fulls. Then diy just the one injector oem. You can probably get it toyota oem parts...No need to do all 8. If another one fails then do the job again. Still just your labor. But maybe there will be no more failures.
I did 3 types of injector cleaners back to back with no luck and unfortunately they said do all 4 at least since they all have to come out with the fuel rail and he resealed…plus the plastic breaks so new ones are often needed anyway 😞
Respectfully, Marty we need a build series on this Lexus. Idk who you need to partner with to make it happen, get a Patreon, get a go fund me. I need you to do it because I'm not gonna do it. Good luck!!
Dude, I love the honesty and I'm right there with you. "I need you to do it because I'm not gonna do it."
How much did you pay for the LS ?
Mechanicsburg!!!!
Soft close doors?
how much did u buy the ls 460 for?
Marty, how much you paid for the LS460? thanks for the content.
$1200
My V12 S-class that $7,000(+) is standard pricing for most things involving that car.
A car like this with this MUCH MILEAGE definitely isnt a DAILY DRIVER. U need a 2nd more RELIABLE vehicle due to its maintenance. The dealership will def nickle and dime you to death. Just work on INDIVIDUAL parts on this vehicle when u have time. Obviously the more SERIOUS ISSUES FIRST. Nice Lex for the flex my guy! 💯
I’m in Nigeria and I own this same generation of Lexus, a 2013 AWD. Nice to see a series about this fantastic but rare car. Keep up good work.
R they rare in Nigeria?
Very rare. The parts are v expensive here and some you cant find them. I have to ship some parts
I would shop around & see if someone else can do it for cheaper. Wasnt the purpose of getting the vehicle to drive during the winter? It would set you back more financially short term but less down down & you can focus on making content for winter/ spring/summer then offload the project at the end of summer
Take it to Charles Automotive in Rockville MD - not too far from you and their work is ROCK SOLID and will beat Lexus all day.
I take my Avalon to good independent mechanics that know Toyotas. Depending on the work independent mechanics charge 30 to 50% less than the Toyota dealer near me. Two of my mechanics let me buy my own parts (because I buy the highest quality). Shop around. Getting work done at a Lexus dealer is like getting work done at the MB or BMW dealership: expensive. The independents are certified and charge much much less.
They are expensive to repair but you can DIY it.
Those other higher ticket items on the vehicle that was diagnosed from Lexus especially torque converter, I wouldn't put the time in to this one. You're going to do all this work for the engine then have to figure out items with the transmission.
This is a true money pit
sorry for the words spelled wrong.My phone is cracked and certain letters work and then they don't!
Did they provide a breakdown between parts and labor?
Not really lol just a big number to try to get me to trade it in probably 😂
If you went to a independent shop instead of the stealership it would be around 4-5k
Get the opinion of the car care nut guy he’s a Toyota Lexus guru!!
lol i literally saw this on marketplace a few days ago
Engine work to the dealer. Everything else DYI. Good luck.
As much as I'd love to see a proper diy series on this, if it were my vehicle, I'd pay the 7k to get it done right. But thats because the repair is out of my skill range. If you feel you really can do this on your own, then by all means go for it and we'll be here to support your videos all the way through. Another thing to consider is the mileage and how long you really want to keep the car for. Is it worth dumping 7k at a 214k mile car right now? Do you want to keep this past 300k and what other big repairs are going to creep up around that time that might cost more than this? Just my two cents but whatever you choose, we support you!
for 7k you get another low mileage ls460
Do you sell cars?
Pleeaase paint the wheels silver
Well considering that car isn't worth much more than $7500, yeah thats a backyard job. im assuming its not burning oil then? Had a 2011 Camry that burned oil like a champ the toyota dealership quoted me 8k because the rings needed replacing on 1 cylinder. (They were gonna replace all the rings, which prolly a good idea) I only paid 6k for the car so obviously I declined. How ever thats not so much a diy sorta fix ended up selling to a mechanic friend of a friend for 4500. 1500 isnt a huge loss though since I drove the car for a year b4 all that.
isn't this a uniquely expensive Lexus model to maintain compared to the rest
The dealer are crooks. A good mechanic would charge $2500
I would get the injectors cleaned.
I tried a few injector cleaners (tank ones) and going to try a crankcase clean. But new injectors will surely fix the issues and I can reseal stuff while I’m in there 😎
And the invincible Toyota brand becomes mortal again, truth is every brand has good and bad products and owners that are good and bad, you can't just drive anything with no maintenance and expect it to last those high milage cars people like to brag about usually were owned by those who kept them up like my Dad who got past 300k on a ford tempo and dodge neon before selling them still running on the original engine and transmission.
Get away from the dealership. There are perfectly capable Toyota professionals out there. I use Lexus dealer for diagnostic only because they definitely can find problems but they way overcharge
Be a great diy content
That's it? Mine was 32k - That's because of all the sticky dash crap -
Damn bro I hope that car doesn’t turn out to be a lemon 🍋
Honeslty if I love the car im paying the dealer so i know its done right and I wouldnt have the time to do all that work anyway
7k for maintenance? Should of got a Amg
Just get Honda accord u will never have any problem 😮
Naaa I’d find another way to fix it I mean for 7000 I can buy a LS430 with 80k on it for that price
fact of the matter is, you overpaid on it back when you bought it. Found the same car for 5-10k cheaper today.
I bought it last month for below market price?
@@MartyMotoring thought you purchased this like 6 months ago when you sold the previous car
stay away from dealer
If you think replacing injectors is an engine rebuild, you shouldn't touch your car
Lol not a rebuild but a refresh for some parts…New spark plugs (done), new Valve cover gaskets, a valley plate reseal, fuel pump gaskets, intake manifold gaskets and of course injectors. Definitely try to avoid actually taking the engine out and apart if I can help it.
Hell you could buy a low mileage engine for less that that 😩😩😩
I think this is one of the Lexus modals to avoid .
Go ahead and do it yourself, record the whole process of replacing the injectors. I don't want to watch you sitting in the kitchen talking, I want to see a man working on his car fixing it 😂