The collapse of liberal democracies | Centre Stage
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- In this episode of Centre Stage, Peter Oborne discusses the role of the media in shaping the narrative around the war on Gaza and the growing divide in the West between the political stance and the public opinion.
Peter Oborne is a journalist and political commentator. He's authored a number of books including the rise of political lying and the triumph of the political class. He was the former chief political commentator of the Daily Telegraph and writes a political column for Middle East Eye.
Samantha Johnson is a presenter at Al Jazeera Digital.
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Western leaders complicit.
Thank goodness there are still some honest Western journalists with morality and humanity.
Al Jazeera is Western journalism now? :) But it beats it there is no questioning that.
Barely any, and none in the mainstream media.
A gleam of hope finally! However, if you understand body language he is clearly not comfortable making those statements. I cannot believe that in 2023 people are afraid to speak in the so called democratic countries
@@fmdj Why don't the 'woman' of Al Jazeera required to cover their heads considering the 'network' is run by Iran?
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Peter Oborne you are a breeze of fresh air in theses horrific times .
He was seething with anger when referring to the USA veto on a ceasefire, but as a true Brit he managed to control his voice just enough to maintain composure.
Peter orborne is outstanding Journalist
Our leaders are morally bankrupt, shameless hypocrites, feigning piety but devoid of real spirituality. ― Douglas Preston, Brimstone🥀🌷🌴👍
Very well done Peter. An awkward and uncomfortable conversation for some of us well minded brits. But needed to be had, what we must look like in the eyes of the Palestinians as our government sits by.
Peter Oborne, thank you for telling the truth 👏🏿
Peter Osborne - A man amongst many. I hope men like him eventualy gain power over what has become corrupted and bring wisdom back to our governance.
A man of principle. He tells the truth and puts integrity and personal honour before ambition or career advancement. You know, like a proper journalist, unlike the social climbers we have these days. Top man!
A good and brave man worth listening to.
It is the second genocide the US either participated or committed, the first being the Indigenous people.
Well the US government has also looked the other way when race massacres of black Americans has occurred. This country hates anything that is not white European. The US is still terrorizing its indigenous and black American population.
Yes historic amnesia is often employed by oppressors and their allies.
The current UK government is a bunch of amateur chancers who refuse to take expert advice from senior civil servants on politics, geopolitics, world politics and generally how to run a country.
It's the "experts" who've promoted every bonkers policy of my lifetime: from Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, Covid, Gaza, the "green" agenda - not to mention QE (£126 billion loss to taxpayers).
@@donkeychan491 The civil service doesn't promote policies. That's the politicians job. The civil service are there to advise the politicians about the history, the legal obligations, the ramifications etc... of any sitiation. They do not push "the green agenda" etc... that is simply nothing to do with them. Stop just believing the lies being pushed by the current government trying to blame all their failure on everyone else, including the Civil Service.
It is really the immense courage of Palestinians that is teaching us all many lessons, the war brings out the very ugly in us, and yet the other side sees that democracy, human rights and compassion and vindication still exists, and that in support of Palestinians, their liberation, as well as ours, is very, very attainable.
What a legend this man is… brimming with ethics and morality 🎉
I'm saving this video for historical perspective, it means everything.
This talk captures in long form the feeling conveyed by ‘In our thousands, in our millions, we are all Palestinians.’ We’re powerless under a suffocating tapestry of lies. Behind which is the brutal self interest of terrible people. We can’t save Palestine. We can’t save ourselves. It feels existential.
Absolutely correct analysis. As an American I was Biden supporter, now I feel he must pay for his and others disconnect from US THE PEOPLE. I 100% support cease fire and the Palestinian people. And am embarrassed of my government.....
Keep the momentum going. We have to change the status quo and for this we have to keep on protesting, keep on marching and keep on posting the truth.
Gratitude For Fearless Integrity ✌️🇵🇸🇾🇪💫
What a thoughtful interview
Good to hear there are still people out there speaking the truth. Thank you sir! I have never been more embarrassed and ashamed of being from europe
As I am ashamed to be living in the US.
He's such a good man.
Peter Oborn has all the attributes to be a great politician. I always enjoy listening to him speak.
Thank you for this insightful interview. We need more men and women like Peter Oborne to speak the truth without fear in a world where people like Assange get imprisoned simply for speaking the truth.
Incredible piece, thank you
Starmer should indeed be ashamed for his position on this issue and he should be pointed at and left aside of any political relevance for the rest of his life.
....and long after that.
What a great man !!
✌✌👍''Uprooting is by far the most dangerous of the ills of human society, for it perpetuates itself.''💯👏🤲
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Peter sir you did Britain proud, Thank You❤got our new PM
He's almost there. Not quite, but close.
Liberal Democracy is merely the tool.
The problem behind that, is capitalism.
Thanks very much for posting.
Great interview thanks
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Millions of people on the ground all over the world.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸
It is being liberated right now by the IDF.
I sit here typing this, weeping at the plight of our species, as we await the largesse of gifts and sustenance, shared with family, knowing full well, of the worst modern mass murder massacre, perpetrated upon innocents in another land, far away from our comfort and privilege.
Thank you for the great talk.
Peter Oborne a great perspective
Let's hope so. 🕊️☮️
What a good talk
I love his first statement about Palestinians can change the world!! Pray and Hope.
Sensible guest and intelligent host
Good to see a Conservative supporter have empathy. I'm not sure though, I agree with Peter's view that Israel HAD to 'respond' to the 7 October attack, surely that Hamas attack was a 'response' to over 50 years of occupation.
Liberal Democracy ,, what does it means..❓..
it means that everything that is forbidden in certain muslim countries...it is actually not forbidden (Thank God) 😅😂
@@Krang_e_Shreddy ok what is forbidden for us we follow.. We don't dictate on others.,(pig is forbidden for us , not on you , you enjoy., it doesnot matters for us ,) ..
AIP@C is a foreign lobby..
(Inna lillahi wa inna ilayi rajihoon )To Almighty God we all belong and to Almighty God we all will return 🇵🇸🤲🇿🇦
Thank you mr Osborne is a respected educator journalist academic and honest gentleman.
I believe that using the misnomer ‘the west’ is so imprecise as to make this meaningless. ‘The west’ is a sweeping generalization about 30 or more odd nations, that span across 3 or 4 continents, with a diversity of languages and cultures, each internally pluralistic, with its own distinctive politics and history. Contrary to the propaganda, there is less unity within these countries than there is between the so-called ‘west’ and so-called south and so-called east. Geography is not what divides us, no matter how much conservatives and fundamentalists want to turn everything into national and regional rivalries or conflicts.
Spot on..
thank you
there wasnt much to stand on !
based on lies & deceit got them thus far
I Agree.
These are tectonic shifts in the transition of Era's.
Great swaths of the world are learning from the suffering of The Palestinian People
and are changing themselves and their conditions to support ethical standards for our betterment.
The impact is profound and exponentially transformative in nature.
The swing in the pendulum for ethical affirmation has reached an exponential Momentum.
The People had Enough.
* Environmentalist need to understand that within the Palestinian Liberation for Sovereignty. Freedom & Peace
the conditions to meet the Ecological Transitional Moment Of Change is met,
as the power structures are laid bare revealing the circuits of power,
and the diagnosis for Ethical transition rather than just hypothesis.
Only with Ethics as the central force, can the planetary ecosystem sustainably interconnect.
When our Ethics-Centered choices & decisions are foundationally met,
only then can the Ecological reset be sustained..
Universal Justice is the only course for politicians and elite's.
Only Universal Justice can peacefully resolve war & extinction.
Extinctionists, are with their own undoing by their own hands unable to survive past Ethical red lines- Era.
A Truth & Reconcilliation Committee is required to absorb & mitigate systemic malfeasants.
Palestine sacrificed and shed Light on unethical behaviour, capital and its power structures..
The longer Global System Change is pre-empted the greater the suffering of the people.
Generation Z & Millennials will not be motivated for anything less.
PEACE among one another- meaning ALL PEOPLE, EVERYWHERE!!! CEASEFIRE!!! FREE PALESTINE!!!
Wow what a fantastic ending to this informative,heartfelt interview.
We are all Palestinian in our thousands in our millions.
Who is this great man?
Those who say calling for ceasefire is antisemitic. That’s false because if it was the opposite and Jewish were in the place of Palestinians we would also call for a ceasefire.
Aristocracy, all graduates of the school of silly walks. So childish… we couldn’t confirm the outrageous behaviour of Netanyahu because we couldn’t ignore that we abhorred the action of Hamas… can’t they be seaparated?? 99% do not agree with US and UK at this point. When are they going to wake up to the fact that they have no clothes on. A terrible shame is coming.
Democracy Now! is a great source of information
Liberalism was always going to do this. Gatekeep real progression of policy and conduct and protect the status quo whilst extremism rises from the put down and unheard.
Elite liberals use hate speech laws to enforce censorship against anyone who dissents from elite "narratives" (lies). It was obvious right from the beginning that these laws would be misused and pave the way towards totalitarianism, and that is exactly what is now happening.
Bravo sir
Not expecting the shameless to feel ashamed.
Sunak. Unelected by the people. Unelected even by the national Tory party members
holy f*ck this guy is spot on. I just hope he shows the same regard for Ukrainians as he does for Palestinians: Ukraine herself has had to side with Israel just to keep Western aid flowing, regardless of her own interests being pretty much the same as those of Palestinians
I do not like both parties stance on the war so not sure who I should be voting now. Very disappointed in political leaders.
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Don't interrupt the man, lady!
Being British means being fair minded supporting the underdog
Sorry guys i just lost my coffee laughing
The Brits are the original colonizers
Do not act like you have some high moral ground here
You screwed up Palestine of course. Just stay out guys
Mind your own efffing business for a change
it was cowardice the UK should have vetoed with the USA
13:09 ....liberal democracies can't withstand their own values😅😅😅
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Darkness moment.
Yes.
Thanks.
Gaza ❤ke musalmano ki hifazat ho
Mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima culpa. Yes the US is in tatters. We are in tatters. I back all freedom fighters.
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As an American, I am ashamed of my government.
The Palestinians represent the whole world? Some one has been drinking way to much and spending to much time on tiktok.
The correlation between public opinion and public policy is the measure of democracy. In the u s that correlation is zero.
You need to be clever to maintain liberty. Those are not the people breeding.
The indian origin or related leaders like sunak and haris & swami in america do not follow indian values. I oppose the stand taken by them in Gaza.
Debate on a extremist youtube channel....hypocrisy died its death
Oborne right about gulf between political class and people but this is not new. Evidence…Boris’ landslide in 2019, the Brexit vote, the unexpected reaction to MPs stealing expenses etc. But why does this happen ??
We are not alone, God is with us ☦️🙏💪
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We can fabricate a new fals mythology instead of the old fals mythology.
The Proud Shall fall As The humble Shall be Brought Up
Creator is in control...
And
Love wins in the end.
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Replace Starmer with Angela!!!
The Anglo-American empire is done .
So many massacres for Christmas 😢
Long ago he was a sensible chap, but he's gone completely off his trolley ...
Media giving him a platform to emote on a broad scale are guilty [wo]men, because they are not nuts, they re doing it with a purpose.
To ur pointed query of the, conspicuous absence of introspection on part of our media industry i must share this incident with u, Nick n Samantha...
Inaugural of the newsdaily in Old Delhi by Barrister M K G... - - nit yet been awarded the title of **Mahatma....
who awarded /bestowed the title, Peter?
i think it was Subhas Chandra Bose, in 1944, on Singapur radio announcement, bestiwed the title upon him.....
Actually in 1944 on Singapore radio, Netaji gave hum the title **Bapu / Rashtrapita / Father of the nation... while earlier another Bengali R Tagore awarded him the title - Mahatma - exalted soul...!
okay, okay.. Samantha, anyways hv u ever wondered how many Fathers of the nation.. India has, going by the coarse discourse over past many decades?
Championed n cheer leaded by none other than the K - Pandit 5 - G scion, vociferously inciting his cronies n his party workers in abusing the memories of the vast masses of unknown, faceless, nameless freedom fighters... whike all ove the world, leaders hv been apologising, for the untold atrocities, abuses, heaped upon kids, n others by their leaders in the past...!!!
Soooh.. the inaugural of this newspaper in Sept 1924, - - just a year before the birth of 2 organisations... in 1925, who alongwith the INC form the, trudent, troika, since then n to date in shaping, molding the events narrative of the Indian history... vusibly n /, or invisibly...!!!
besides off course the other two equally if not many times more fundamentally significant parties :
Akali dal - 1920...
& the Moslem league - Dacca - December, 1906...!!!
generally pplz iignore, more often deliberately the 1920 - Akali dal org, which has a crucial n symbiotic role in particular in this Hindustan times newspaper, foundation n their relations with the promoters...
the Libra grouo...!
Libra grouo, Peter..?
Oooh it is the Birla group... 1857 founded - Baangaaldesh... Calcutta... same year in the SW-Bangalore - - Beer Kompany was born...
in the Sw Peter... like in Namibia - Sw - Afrika by the Germans - 99% purity beer komoany founded...?
Samantha, listen to what Barrister M K G said, at the inaugural of this Birla group - H T newsdaily...
"in the present circumstances left to me i'd shut down all the newspapers in the country......except Young India ( which he Edited) its the responsibility of any & every newspaper publisher to nit only not to say or write untrue words...... no suggestio falsi... no suppressio veri... "
no comments. Peter n Nick...
its a disgrace, Samantha, hv u seen the WSJ - report on the USD 200 million temoke inauguration farce by the Indian PM...!!!
I've seen it Nick, n its a shameful instance of mis reportung to put it very mildly on part of WSJ....!!!
its not abt the mfd fake, fraud controversy abt whether 1.33 crs or Rs 133 crs were spent on the lamp lighting, earlier, by the State - saffron robed CM, ( the numbers itself narrate an undeniable, indisputable narrative, if u look at the past 2 decades track record... carefully Nick) the fact of les miserable labourers - trying desperately to take away the oil from the earthen lamps, is not at all touched upon by WSJ.. hv they reported that incident in detail .?
Why're they trying to "steal" the oil from the earthen lamps?
else it'd be dumped into the river? wasted?
real controversy / E con O mics is far bigger, something else Nick... no point aksing u Samantha, of whether Aj will ever do a searching cimmentary on the lamp light scandal...!!!
Who fundes 209 million USD?
What was the quid pro quo...?
U mean like the Bombay port city given in dowry in 1661 & many times later, to date, in King Charles II marriage ?
many many other lucrative, gold n diamond citues Nick, besides Bombay...NOIDA township... / Gurgaon... / Siriperembudur / Hi tec citues in Hyderabad, Bangalore / elsewhere.... allexchanging ownership in "dowry." / alliances / merger & acq deals in modern era.. ..
Any ways... Nick... since Peter has touched upon the fundamental Qn of truth, falsehoid, lies ie spinning, twisting, of narratives, besides temole n Dacxa,
let me narrate the 1975 blockbuster film scene...
u see the dreaded dacoit villain flees the prison n promptly guns down / massacres each n every member of the Pokice officer who had arrested him... except for the younger daughter in law, who'd gone to the temple...
abive all... the small kid... & the way that scene has been shot n shown... is a telling commentary...
this dreaded villain, lifts the rifle with his left hand alone n pulls the trigger... killing... the kid...
what does that signify, Nick..?
one is the known - known - brutal massacre by Dacxa - military guys of the Sheikh Mujibur Rahman Family, except for 2 sisters who were away, overseas that fateful day...
as for the left hand shot.. feel it conveyed the, child's play, with which - - fledgeling demokracy was massacred, smothered, gunned down,... in India... besides... - this film released in 1975 ? - - -
South Amerika... Chile - - - coup de'teat... Augosto Pinochet...
yeeaah... Eli Wallach, Moe n Michael - Casino scene - - helicopter firing shots....
There's lot more to it Peter than that...
i looked up casually the star cast n found the kid's name displayed as Master Alankar...
what's Alankar mean, Samantha..?
precisely... as i looked up the dictionary... it means, ornaments, jewellery... besides ... palta...
what's palta..?
Palta is a term used in Indian classical notes..7 notes... sung both ways... asc n desc order, front n backwards... reverse order the 7 notes are sung, using few ornaments such as... palta...
there's a whole lot of history, geograohy n much more to be explored in what u told us Samantha...
precisely... further as i browsed this kid's films in the same period... it showed me a movie plit where he plays a polio stricken kid... born out of wedlock... n what was that Bengali name u shared earlier...
Tagore...
yeeaah.. his grand daughter actor ... married to Nabab of Bhopal... cricketor star...
yeeeaah.. the Satyajit Ray discovered - Devi ji as shes referred to sometimes... 2 piece bikini Devi... approved by her to be mother in law - conservative - Nawab-cricjet stars Amma.. inspite of the bikini clad posters splashed all over Calcutta..then.
anyways.. that movie plot, where this kid recovers to walk... n skate... does it not connekt to FDR...
yeeaah... ornaments u said... the kid's name...?
Gold, Silver standard... history.....
now since u've mentioned musical notes, Samantha, as always, one movie leads to another... that reminds me of a Hyderabadi movie in the same period... musical film, cimmercially super duper hit then....!
u mean like the Aunt / Mausiji / charakter - Leela, leading to the - famous Naval officer catchung his "adulteress" wife in the act with his buddy... n shooting him... surrendering... u know who was she...?
Hyderabadi - Leela Naidu, then declared, one of the 10 most beautiful women... by TIME mag, w/o, Goan Dim Moraes, poet, author, writer, journalist....
and another famous Lila...!!!
Free Palestinian
The presenter should have done a better job.
After listening to this highly regarded British journalist for 3 - 4 minutes, I switched to something more interesting.
The tone of this man, the way he presents himself as a person of integrity and who knows what else. It is exactly what has bothered us so much about the British for decades. When you hear them talk, their movements... it's all so beautiful, so erudite... so incredibly fake and completely in contrast to their behaviour.
Any conversation on this subject should begin by pointing out, albeit very briefly, the incredibly important role that Great Britain played in the creation of the state of Israel and that it is undoubtedly responsible for the misery in which the Palestinians have found themselves .
They did this as true "statesmen", but in the meantime the conflict has turned into a confusing swamp of misery. All because they refuse to name the cause of the conflict but prefer to label the other group as terrorists.
A real journalist is not concerned with how Western governments have presented themselves in this mess. That's so cheap to say that they are handling it so poorly.
And by drawing attention to this, as a journalist you no longer have to talk about the real problem.
A really good journalist immediately took over the conversation and stated that how the government leaders behave is completely irrelevant as long as the West does not recognise that a huge injustice has been done to the Palestinian people, especially thanks to the British. This can only be resolved if the Israeli government enters into talks with the Palestinians, just as Rabin and Arafat did. There is no other solution and talking about how government leaders behave nicely is the biggest nonsense you can imagine.
This is a typical British journalist, looks and sounds erudite, but is silent about what is really going on and what his country's role is in all this misery.
A real British journalist begins by apologising for all the misery his country has caused.
Peter Oborne is simply a residue of how that misery was skilfully hushed up.
Are they talking about Arabian democracies??
Im sorry about palestinians who have no support from the arab world and the global community wont stop israel with its genocide. So sad.
Kidding?
Not a word of the Brexits fear mongering?
Here’s a ditty y’all better listen to;
🎶It cheaper to keep her💲
That’s right baby, where does the Sun set?
Y’all left the union and she ain’t coming back.
Trade? Remember trade?
That’s how Canada was built!
Doesn't care about Kurdish people why ? Doesn't care about all the terrorist attacks over the past 60 years done in the name of Palestine? You reap what you sow
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It is funny how Qatar, a place where nearly 90% of the population are NOT citizens and have no formal political representation, is hosting a talk on "liberal democracies".
Given that their first election ever was just in 2021, they must really have a lot to tell and teach the rest of the world lol. In their only election held in their history, they didn't manage to elect even one woman.
But then again, this talk isn't even really about democracies. It is mostly focused on criticizing Israel.
Authoritarians around the world have learned that they can use the cry of "democracy!" when they are not getting what they want.
It is fascinating how the Qataris demand democracy, representation, and all sorts of things for Arabs in Israel, but they don't even give those things to Arabs in their own country.
Will you admit, decades from now, that you were a genocide denier? Remember! Admit at least to yourself your fallibility.
This was an excellent report on how British & American statesmanship has slavishly aided and abetted genocide in Gaza.
Sure. You wish you were Qatari, every citizen is financially looked after. Lol@"democracy" , il has a lower press freedom index than Malawi, Lesotho etc.