THE RAPTURE vs. THE PRE-WRATH VIEW
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- Why do some believe in the Rapture and some believe in the pre-wrath view?
Which is true according to the Bible?
What does Jesus have to say about it?
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What if the rapture is a false doctrine?
Ec:3:20:
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.
Ec:12:7:
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ec:9:10:
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do,
do it with thy might;
for there is no work,
nor device,
nor knowledge,
nor wisdom,
in the grave,
whither thou goest.
Don’t change your teaching style. I enjoy and am hungry to learn His word. Thank you for explaining and painting the picture of what was going when the scripture was written.
I am thankful to have found you on CZcams about six months ago. Today was the 5th anniversary of my Mom's passing. While I do not grieve as those who have no hope, I do find myself sad on this day every year. I miss her very much. In this sermon when you talked about Jesus coming for us at our deaths (referencing John 14) I felt so uplifted. It was as if Jesus was speaking directly to me about my Mom's death. I wasn't expecting to have been comforted listening to a sermon on the Rapture vs. Pre-wrath, but I am so thankful that I was and just wanted to share what a blessing that was for me today. Thank you!!
Spread the gospel to everyone especially your family and friends
I had a vision of the rapture. In my vision I saw the dead in Christ rise and Jesus was standing before them. It looked and felt so real - I remember every detail.
I believe that some people do go straight to the Father and some wait for Jesus Christ. If Willard Heck passed away in hopes to see Jesus during the rapture then he will be with the first group that ascends.
So exciting for me as a Christian to know that Jesus is comming for us but I have to say that in my vision Jesus was sad because many were not ready for the call and would be left behind.
In fact, my understanding is that the reason the rapture has not yet happened is because a lot of good people that should not stay behind need a little bit more time to get ready.
Hope this helps.
Let us all be unconditional love and compassion, in Jesus's name. Amen.
Yes, God always knew that they will need to get ready, that's why the rapture is pre-wrath.
1 Peter 1:7 KJV - "That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ"
1 Peter 4:17 KJV - "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"
After, the tribulation of those days...persecution, tribulation and wrath are different things.
I personally believe in the pre-trib rapture because "it's appointed unto isreal 7 more years" called Jacob's trouble. Also, the days of Noah and Lot, things were relatively normal until a quite major event happens. Furthermore, the removal of the Holy Spirit/& believers would be the sudden event. So the holy spirit would probably assume the role of before the church age.
In the days of Noah the fallen angels were here on earth giving and taking in marriage to the daughters of Adam. They will return when Satan arrives claiming to be Christ BEFORE CHRIST RETURNS.
II Thessalonians 2:1-4 . No rapture is mentioned in God's Word. In fact, rapture believers already have the Mark of the Beast IN their foreheads and will eagerly be worshipping Satan believing that he is Christ when the REAL CHRIST returns.
Since the Living.... will never precede the fallen asleep [dead] (1Th 4:15), how can the living be raptured before Jesus resurrects His people within "The Last Day" (Jn 6:39-40,44,54)?
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
This is in 5 places in the Bible and pastor B never ever ever reads these verses to anyone I have emailed
Him 30 times with 0 responses
Because that's the second coming , he's teaching about the Rapture
That's because it doesn't fit the narrative (deception) he's teaching. How about explain Rev. 14 :12 while he's at it!
If you are with the Lord upon death, then who is raised from the grave with the living believers to meet our Lord in the air?
Absent from the Body is to be present with the Lord.. to those who died in Christ before the Rapture , their Soul went at once to the Lord.... Their body was placed in the ground , cremated , or otherwise. At the Rapture of the Church , those bodies will be caught up
And reunited with their Souls
Together with those who are alive ,
To meet the Lord in the Air. That's the beginning of the Tribulation.
When should we look up?
“And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.” - Luke 21:25...
When will we see the signs in the sun, moon, and stars?
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken." - Matthew 24:29
I believe the bodies of the dead will rise and then the bodies will be united with their spirits which are already with the Lord, if they are believers. So the spirit and body will meet in the air and go up to Jesus in the clouds. This will only happen in the twinkling of an eye, so it will be super fast. Thank you Jesus for our rapture that we are going to go on. Maranatha. Thank you Doctor Barratt for this
Still, wrath and tribulation are two different things. The Wrath doesn’t begin until the middle of the Tribulation.
No, the Wrath God (Rev 16) falls during "The Day of The Lord" (Is 13:6-15, Jer 46:10, Joel 1:15-3:15), the same day as the Rapture (1Th 4:17-5:2, 2Th 2:1-2), and the same day that the present heavens and earth will be burned-up with intense heat (2pet 3:10-12), making it "a day like none other" (Jer 30:7).
Brilliant!
Thank you and may God continue to bless you and yours!
Dr. Barnett I believe we are soo late in this Dispensation . I believe the Bus is coming for Us
No one is going anywhere the original pre-tribulation Rapture at all in any form that is why Jesus said those that endure Until the End will be saved not those who fly away will be saved
@@onejohn2.26.the Tribulational Saints who Endure till the end Will be saved.... The Bride will be removed before the Trib... We are not children of the Wrath.... Are you saying that the Rapture will happen just before His Return/ Second Coming ❓. When will the Marriage Super of the Lamb take place , or the Bema ❓. Think about it
@@edwardtelles1956
There is no Rapture of any kind anywhere in any Scripture except by Paul and Paul cannot be trusted as he is the false Apostle in Revelation 2:2
And even Paul states that the so-called rapture is a simultaneous event to when Christ returns
No one or no church ever taught a pre-tribulation Rapture until the year 1830 and no mainstream Church teaches it today except some Baptists
Ask a Catholic or Protestant about a pre-tribulation Rapture and they will not have a clue about what you are talking about
@@edwardtelles1956
One other thing 99.9 percent of Christians will not be saved because they do not keep the laws of God as found in the Torah they do exactly the opposite of what God's commanded and yet they think that they will somehow be rescued and taken out?
Sorry, but it's not happening
@@edwardtelles1956 Tribulation is not wrath. Tribulation is only for the saints. The world will have the time of their life while persecuting the faithful. Then the rapture and the wrath to pay them back.
I will be happy when the rapture happens so people can stop arguing over this issue. It makes you not want to even mention the rapture at this point. It’s such a divisive topic between believers
There's going to be a Lot of surprised Christians come the fall of 2024....Even pinpointing the season gets fellow Believers in a tizzy. But that's my educated guess...
This is a wonderful message! I just want to add as a side note to the point you made about Jesus only being seen by "believers" after His resurrection. It's important to make note that they were believers in Jesus as the son of God but all of the gospels record that they were not believers in the resurrection until they saw the empty tomb or the risen Jesus Himself. As such they do not qualify for the imputed righteousness described in Romans 4 and as Jesus Himself said will not have the same blessings (John 20:29). This was all by design (Luke 18:31-34) and is an important doctrinal distinction between the remnant of Israel who will serve as God's priests on earth and the body of Christ who will reign with Him in heaven during His kingdom.
Romans 4:20-25
20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
John 20:29
29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Luke 18:31-34
31 Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished. 32 For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. 33 They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.”
34 But they understood none of these things; this saying was hidden from them, and they did not know the things which were spoken.
II Thessalonians 2:1-4- WE DO NOT gather back to Christ until AFTER there is a great falling away first and the Son of Perdition, who is Satan, stands in the Holy Place claiming to be God, Christ. Then immediately after Satan's tribulation Christ returns- Mathew 24:29-30. No rapture is mentioned in God's Word.
2 thessalonians 2: 1-3
Jesus said that day can't come. Unless the falling away comes first and the son of perdition is revealed. He's revealed atthe mid point of tribulation. Bye bye pre tribulation rapture. Why would Jesus tell me specifically to watch for that? If I'm going to be raptured beforehand.
They will tell you that he was not speaking to the church, but to the Jews...or some other baloney. They will believe anything to protect their narrative.
Because, like many others, you've misinterpreted that passage.
@@robertbrangan9617 Tell us what it REALLY means...
@@zippy2641 why bother? The people who think they already have it all figured out are unteachable. It becomes a point of pride, as is evident by yours and other people's comments on here. "Any questions?" It's honestly just not worth the effort. All I'll say is to define the two following biblical terms: "the Day of the Lord" and "the Coming of the Lord". When people haven't properly defined these two separate events you end up with what you see in this comment section.
@@robertbrangan9617 Well that was an easy out for you. Just blame others.
The caught up to meet the Lord in the air and the 1st resurrection happen at the same time at the Last Trump Christ Jesus came once and He shall come a second time. And every eye 👀 shall see Him.
For the Lord himself will come in the clouds, no one has ever seen God, they seen his son Jesus whom will be the one who comes last.
Thank God for you pastor John
Harpazo!!! Yaaaay!! ❤❤
Excellent. So clearly stated.
You should notice that he never opined WHEN Christ returns IN THE CLOUDS to “gather us unto Him.”
Very good detail to support the future event of the rapture however, it did not contrast the pre-trib rapture position with the pre-wrath position. The church has experienced tribulation since it’s beginning we are not subject to God’s wrath which is key in the book of revelation to identify the difference between tribulation of the Saints, by Satan and the wrath of God, when God pours His wrath out on a wicked world. I personally support a sixth seal rapture. There are too many vague, references taking scripture out of context, such as John being caught up, representing the rapture or the 24 elders representing the church. Maybe what the Bible says is what the Bible means John was caught up to heaven and the 24 elders are the 24 elders. But this is not a salvation issue, unless the Saints believing in a pre-trib rapture take the mark of the beast.
I also hold Joel Richardson in very high regard for his opinions on these things. He says, using various Bible texts as references, that the rapture will not take place in this manner. I would like to see you debate this with him please...
I looked up the word CARRIED (as the Amplified states it), in the Strong's Expanded Dictionary of Bible Words. Philip was TRANSPORTED (Translated) from Gaza to Azotus. I've heard 2 stories this happened to - Henry Gruver (while in intense spiritual warfare prayer) and Dr. Michael Lake (when he prayed for his wife, who was running a fever then).
• Acts 8:39-40 (AMP)
39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord [suddenly] took Philip [and carried him] away [to a different place]; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but he went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he preached the good news [of salvation] to all the cities, until he came to Caesarea [Maritima].
I totally agree!!
What is the Gospel? If God is the Word and the Word was with God then what was the Word? The Word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us, that Word is Christ… if that is the case the the Gospels is the whole Bible. So read and believe the whole “Gospel” and teach that to all men!
Patience is holy
The word "Rapture" comes from the Latin Vulgate translation of the bible.
Thanks for the explanation.
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Be careful the church will go through testing of your faith, one way or another.
Everyday
The wrath of God is a part, not the entire tribulation.
The second half.. last 3-1/2 years...
But the total of years for the Tribulation
Is 7 years.... God owes Israel a full Seven years
Sad for the old derelict C-47, abandoned and broken planes and boats are almost as sad as abandoned and broken people and animals.
David say the living know that they shall die but the dead know not anything- what do you suppose that means? read the book
Can a postie tell us whos here when you get back , considering the wicked are removed first , then your caught up to meet the Lord in the air , only to come straight back down .
So, if my loved ones and friends are in heaven right now? The same in reverse? So, if my loved didn't live from God, then they are suffering in hell right now. And people know if they went to heaven or hell, the day they die? I'm confused about the part, that says asleep. I know, when you're in a casket, it looks like you are asleep. It also seems, that use your body to rise from the grave, unless it's a metaphor? There are questions, that can't explain to non-Christians. I'm not trying to ask questions, that fellow Christians have themselves. I have to trust God. Plus, I don't like the fact, that my unsaved Grandmother will be in hell.
Matthew. Mark Luke. Joel , Rev, 1 Thess 2 thess.
“AFTER the tribulation” “after the tribulation” sun and moon go dark sun and moon go dark . “THEN shall you see him coming in the clouds
To be caught up.
Sun and moon go dark after tribulation (what world does to us) wrath is what God does
To the world… I don’t know why pastors don’t teach entire Bible for $
How do you know which verse is about the pre-tribulation rapture or the second coming? Like in the video, “my fathers house” is used 3 other times in the Bible and it’s talking about the temple, and the fact that it has 90 rooms for the 90 rulers of the millennium. Like all the disciples will have their own rooms, and I believe prophets and many other key figures will live in Jerusalem, at the temple, or “My fathers house”.
And dispensationalist say “you have to rightly divide, oh that part there, there he’s talking to the Jews so it’s not for us”. They twist verses and make up that they won’t be here for the tribulation. Seriously, how do you say that Jesus telling his disciples that they will have rooms in the temple all of a sudden mean that Christians get houses in heaven for 7 years, during the tribulation. Oh and you get your resurrected bodies before the dead? You should really look into that, because you have to believe you will get your heavenly bodies before those that are asleep. Because that comes way later.
Jesus spoke to the disciples about a coming they were familiar with having heard it over and over. Is. 11:12: read in context.
Jesus said He would send His angels, Mt 24, to gather His elect. Jesus also tells the reader to understand the A Of D found in Daniel 9. Daniel is told the 70 weeks are for his people the Jews and his holy city Jerusalem. The 70th week is for Israel. This is the second coming.
Paul tells us in Romans 11 that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. Acts 13: 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first (the Jews); but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us:
‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”
James reiterates this in
Acts 15: 13 And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:
16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down; (This refers to the Jews)
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up; ...
Isaiah 11:11 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,...
Amos 9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. 15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall "no more be pulled up out of their land" I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
When the fullness of the gentiles has come in then God again resumes the 70 week prophecy.
Zech.12 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. When did Israel pierce God?
Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
Thank you !
Its getting close
According to the 7,000 year as a day Proficy... 2024 ( Oct-Nov) would be my guess
Why do you oppose rapture to pre-wrath? Rapture will happen before God pours His wrath out, so they do not oppose eachother. BTW, pre-wrath view is NOT the mid- trib view
Revelation 6: 9-11
This scripture reveals that yes you'll be in the tribulation.
No it doesn't.
I believe in the pre wrath rapture. The Bible is clear to me on this. In Matthew, Yahweh himself says AFTER the tribulation of those days…… Jesus gathers us together AFTER the tribulation
29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Because the term pre trib didn’t appear until the 1830’s. Pre trib is not mentioned and the main 4 scriptures that talk explicitly about the rapture never say that Christ will come back BEFORE the anti christ and in fact, the four versus that mentioned the “day of the Lord” or rapture actually say that the return of Christ won’t happen UNTIL AFTER the tribulation. Don’t believe me? Read Matt 24:
1. THE GREAT COMMISSION DEMANDED A DELAY: the rapture could not happen until the great commission was completed and fulfilled
Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matthew 28:18-20
18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Acts 1:7-8
7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Conclusion: the rapture cannot happen until these things are fulfilled
Noah was not taken out of the flood BUT Yahweh gave him instructions. What about Daniel and the lion? Yahweh did not take him out of the way rather he was with him and kept him. We are gonna go through tribulation. I do love many of your teachings but this one I do have to disagree with you. We are not appointed to Yahweh’s wrath, we will he rescued before his wrath. I’m afraid that telling people they won’t go through the tribulation will cause them to fall away from the faith, their hearts will fail them. A pre Tribulation rapture is not biblical. I use to believe that but I understand it differently. Are we somehow better than the Christians in the Middle East being beheaded for their faith that somehow we won’t go through what they go through? I don’t think so.
Dr. Barnett 🙏
we pray to God and God alone.
So where do some get, praying to mary is in the bible?
Thank you
I misunderstood the title. I thought we were going to get a teaching on why the rapture is pre-tribulation, not whether there'd BE the rapture (though I'd never considered your idea of a "personal rapture." I'll consider this more, but do appreciate the response to "why haven't I been taken home" when an elderly/sick/weak person is asking)
certainly the rapture happens pre-wrath of the Lamb of God. The question is when does THAT wrath to which we are not appointed occur?
Rev 11 ... the dragon (Satan) couldn't seize the baby (Jesus). He won't be able to seize the woman (Israel; taken to a prepared place for 42 months) ... so he pursues the seed. Who is THAT? Is it the tares/nephilim? Is it the "rejectionist?"
I was a pre-trib rapture believer for 40 years, but about 5 years ago, I was given to take another look at the rapture's timing relative to the period known as the tribulation. I've come to understand the Church will be as it is during the unrestrained lawlessness of antichrist. Those who know their God will do exploits (Daniel 11) ... John 17:14 ... and things greater" Jesus said. I think that's during the 42 month tribulation. the martyrs John reports seeing in Revelation; those are the "worldly Christians" who have their fire insurance policy but are unprepared for this trial of faith ... some of them because they were dogmatic pre-tribbers. The Rev 12 Overcomers are those who have regularly Luke 9:23'd ... Galatians 2:20'd ... crucified the flesh ...
I think these are also the two witnesses; the orthodox of the Messianic Jews (N/S kingdoms) ... and the two lampstands; the Christian Gentiles.
I appreciate your teachings, good sir ... understanding is being given at the End, Daniel said. We need to be still and listen to the Still Small Voice, and while we can respect those who have preached and taught for decades, we cannot limit our understanding to theirs alone.
PRESS ON, brethren.
The scriptural evidence for a pre-trib rapture is pathetically weak, and even then it requires pulling a rabbit out of a hat. It simply wouldn't make a good topic on it's own.
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Then you fullly understand Dispensation.. we cannot be here while God deals with the jews
@@edwardtelles1956
What you just said is a non sequitur. And not contained in the Bible. That is YOUR word not God’s word.
@@williamgill_esq.6487 I disagree..
The 70th week deals directly with Israel
If you don't agree with Dispensation , then just say so.
1Corinthians 15 " AT HIS COMING...AT THE LAST TRUMP" Matthew 24:29 "AFTER THE TRIBULATION" ....
I'm not familiar with the pre-wrath view. What is it?
Can someone explain what John meant in revelation 7:14 "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation." This is after the 6th seal was opened and the 144,000 were sealed. And right before the 7th seal is opened and the 7 angels were given 7 trumpets to blow after the prayers of the saints were thrown upon the earth (Rev. 8:3-5).
During the tribulation there will be alot of new believers that will be martyred by the Antichrist. Tribulation saints
"The Great Tribulation" is the period of tribulation and suffering, which begins when the "Abomination of Desolation" is seen in a Holy Place (Mt 24:15), having been set-up 1290 days after the daily sacrifices were terminated (Dan 12:11). It is cut short (Mt 24:22), by the coming of Jesus upon the clouds of heaven..... (Mt 24:30), to rapture-gather "His Elect" from out of the extremities of heaven and earth with a "Great Trumpet" (Mt 24:31), also called "The Last Trumpet" (1Cor 15:51-52), as well as, the "7th Trumpet" (Rev 10:7), which trumpet, fulfills the mystery of God (the salvation of His Elect with imperishable bodies). "The Great Tribulation" is cut short for the sake of the Elect (Mt 24:22) with a blessing (the coming of Jesus), 1335 days (Dan 12:13) after the daily sacrifices are terminated (Dan 9:27). Accordingly, "The Great Tribulation" lasts 45 days, during which time, 6 Trumpet blasts give everybody a taste of the coming wrath of God by destroying 1/3 of everything valuable (ships, grass, trees, food water.... people), including an uncountable number of His Elect, who are seen in heaven (i.e, having died) during "The Great Tribulation", wearing white robes and waving palm branches (symbols of justification, faithfulness, and victory in the face of temptation and adversity).
Mathew chapter 24 verse 29-31 explain the rapture much more simply than this.
Some people believe in the Rapture because of misinterpretation of certain Scripture.
Pastor, of whom are Christ speaking in Matthew 24:13 The UnSaVed is not Stuiding Matthew. The Same shall be saved... more
Some one please explain. To this guy that the ball earth is a freemasonic joke
You can't, all these people are to prideful to understand the truth. God calls the earth a circle, not a ball and says the firmament drapes over it like a tent. They'll never understand, but these are also the same people that took the jab. John and his wife are both jabbed up.
Where is North on your flat earth .
How come I can't see the same stars as you who live in the northern hemisphere , and you can't see mine .
You cannot have a BOTTOMLESS PIT on a flat earth .
How come you can't shoot a Lazer across the PACIFIC OCEAN and hit my country , about 6000 miles away .
The Bible calls the rapture even in 1 Thess 4 his coming that makes the rapture the 2nd coming.
Post trib cancels out , John 14 v 3 .
Yahshua is coming for those that truly belong to him not those that mock and scoff and don't have God in their hearts. Those that are waiting and watching will be with Yahshua in the rapture. The rapture is before the tribulation and if you can't understand God's promises then you will be left behind and I feel sorry for you. Sure post and mid tribbers scoff but you will be very surprised when Yahshua snatches his bride out of this evil world before the 7year tribulation and you will look dumbfounded believe me and it's gonna happen very soon Be Blessed.
I don't think there will be a hell until Jesus comes down to judge the world, then He will cast satan into the fiery pit, and all men and women who all not believers (goats, not sheep) so our dead that are not believers are not in hell but in a place called hades
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul gives us some details associated with our rapture that will help us identify the timeline with certainty using scripture to interpret scripture. We see something called the last trumpet sound and then the dead in Christ rise. So looks like a resurrection with a trumpet blast announcing it in 1Co 15:52.
The first thing that comes to mind are the 7 trumpet judgments that we see in the book of Revelation. If that 7th trumpet is the last trumpet spoken of, then we should see a resurrection associated with it.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Sure enough we see "the time of the dead....reward given to the prophets, saints, and all that fear His name". There is the resurrection we are looking for. Could be coincidence so let's se if we can find further connections.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
It is written that Death is swallowed up in victory.
Isa 25:8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
Isa 25:9 And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.
Here is where it is written and refers to people rejoicing in His salvation. That has to be the end when Israel returns to God which sets the timing for "death victory" as the end of the last 7 years. Still not convinced we are speaking of the same events?
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
This is when Jesus delivers the kingdom to the Father which happens after the 7 years have ended when He puts all enemies under His feet. When is death defeated before or after the last 7 years? We can tie the wiping of tears and drinking from the fountains of waters from Isaiah 25 to Rev 7 and Rev 21. It all points to the rapture as seen in 1Co 15 occurring at the end of the last 7 years. It all ties together perfectly from a post-trib perspective.
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You looked through a list of martyred saints searching for the rapture. The only group found here not martyred in Johns book are the 24 elders.
The 7th trump IS THE LAST TRUMP. That's after Satan's tribulation. Satan = 6th trump, 6th seal and 6th vile-666.
II Thessalonians 2:1-4- WE DO NOT gather back to Christ until AFTER there is a great falling away first and the Son of Perdition, who is Satan, stands in the Holy Place claiming to be God, Christ. Then immediately after Satan's tribulation Christ returns- Mathew 24:29-30
No rapture is mentioned in God's Word. In fact, rapture believers already have the Mark of the Beast IN their foreheads and will eagerly be worshipping Satan believing that he is Christ when the REAL CHRIST returns.
Is it the rapture or the rupture?
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Not making sense, the bible speaks of Jesus coming only one time. The second coming!!!!
@@Jesus_Christ_is_God01 You completely made up that little story without ANY supporting evidence scripturally. You contort the scriptures to support your narrative.
Rapture happens at the 6th seal near the end of tribulation as Jesus described in Matthew 24:29-31. This should happen 370 days before the battle of Armageddon (same amount of time Noah was safe above the wrath on the ark and the length of a Jubilee year). The rapture is described at the 6th seal of Revelation 6, the raptured are described entering heaven in Revelation 7, and then God's wrath of 7 trumpets, 7 thunders, and 7 bowls/vials begin with the breaking of rhe 7th seal of Revelation 8. Anyone telling you differently doesn't understand scripture, and is giving false witnesses whether they're aware of their mistake or not.
At 16:27, you mention 2 Thessalonians 1:8 and only talk about the vengeance of the Lord. But ONE VERSE BEFORE is the comfort part that the verses in your left column speak of. Paul, in verse 6-7, says,
"God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels."
God will give relief to those being troubled in times of persecution and trials (verse 4). WHEN does Paul say the relief comes?? At the moment of Jesus' fiery coming! At his glorious appearing to the world!
This concept of times of trouble/persecution, and our relief happening at the glorious appearance of Jesus, is in multiple places in scripture...
2 Thessalonians 1:6-7
1 Peter 1:6-7
Matthew 29-31
Titus 2:11-14 (our blessed hope is the glorious appearing of Jesus according to this scripture)
Colossians 3:4
1 John 3:2 (when Christ appears, we will be changed!)
Whenever Jesus' glorious, fiery, appearing happens, THAT IS WHEN THE RESURRECTION AND RAPTURE HAPPENS. Not before, and not after.
If you respect Corrie Ten Boom, look up what her rapture beliefs were and how she prepared for the coming Tribulation. This is how we should be teaching and encouraging believers... patient endurance, perseverance, and hope for his soon return!
Why do post tribulationist believe they have to go through the wrath , when none of the Church has ever had to in all church history , why are you so special .
I love Dr John’s teaching, but I have to be honest here….his 2 rapture theory in which Jesus meets and escorts a believer to heaven who just died is not an accurate exegesis of God’s word and really makes no sense. Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, not running around on Earth 24/7 gathering dead souls. Also, read the story in Luke 16:19-31 for a different perspective of what happens to a believer who suddenly passes away. Cheers…..not trying to be disrespectful to Dr John…I love and appreciate him bunches. He has blessed my wife and I so much……but, as we all know, no one but one is perfect in every way.
Caution Beloved of Christ. John is a very gifted Bible teacher, but the Bible contradicts three of his main teachings: 1) Who gets saved from the wrath of God, 2) How they become saved; 3) When the Rapture will occur.
Read and trust Holy Scripture. It alone is inerrant and profitable for doctrine, correction and reproof (2Tim 3:16).
Rapture-timings:
1) The "Coming" of the Lord Jesus (Mt 24:3, 27, 37, 39, 1Th 4:15, 2Th 2:1......) is ALWAYS singular, thereby Biblically invalidating all rapture-timings, which require more than one "Coming".
2) Scripture reports.: "The living....will never precede the fallen-asleep, dead in Christ (1Th 4:15-16), thereby invalidating any rapture before the Resurrection within "The Last Day" (Jn 6:39-40,44,54 ).
3) The Rapture occurs at "The Last Trumpet" (1Cor 15:51-52), thereby invalidating all Rapture-timings before the last-ever full moon (Ps 81:3), as well as, before the last-ever, annual "Feast of Trumpets" (Num 29:1, Lev 23:23).
Why John remains so badly deceived is a mystery.
Is the first part of the tribulation gods wrath?
Some people think that God's wrath begins when the 6th seal is opened. They base this on the following two verses:
"They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For *the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”*
But the reason they understand that God's wrath has come is because of what is taking place in the previous seals.
Notice what we see the fourth seal ...
"When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by *sword,* *famine* and *plague,* and by the *wild beasts* of the earth." (Revelation 6:8)
... and compare this with what Ezekiel writes here:
"For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: How much worse will it be when I send against Jerusalem *MY four dreadful judgments* - *sword* and *famine* and *wild beasts* and *plague* - to kill its men and their animals!" (Ezekiel 14:21)
and here ...
"One who is far away will die of the plague, and one who is near will fall by the sword, and anyone who survives and is spared will die of famine. *So will I pour out MY WRATH on them."* (Ezekiel 6:12)
5:00 First fruits
On the morning of His resurrection it is said some OT Saints came out of the grave also They would have ascended to the Re:4 Temple and Jesus was the only one to come back after being glorified. Those men would have completed the gathering of the 24 Elders that are in that same temple. Enoch and Elijah would be counted as being part of that group and they come back when Jesus takes the earth back, they will be the 'shepherds' and the 2nd group to be gathered, that will be the 1,000 year crowd.
1Co:15:20:
But now is Christ risen from the dead,
and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co:15:23:
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
The ones gathered at his coming starts with the 144,000 and ends with the ones at the GWT event. Both groups are mentioned before the words 'first resurrection' are used. The 2nd resurrection would be for Satan and the fallen angles as they are the only ones in the fiery lake (2nd birth death) when Re:22 ends.
Re:20:4-6:
And I saw thrones,
and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Re:5:8-10:
And when he had taken the book,
the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb,
having every one of them harps,
and golden vials full of odours,
which are the prayers of saints.
And they sung a new song,
saying,
Thou art worthy to take the book,
and to open the seals thereof:
for thou wast slain,
and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred,
and tongue,
and people,
and nation;
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:
and we shall reign on the earth.
The Temple in Zec:6 is the one He builds and the timeline suggests 30 minutes for all the stonework and the decorating is done by the people who have just been gathered and are as new as the 24 Elders were then they first arrived in the temple. What they help teach the people during the 1,000 years is what they have been taught over the last 2,000 years. It results in everybody that starts out in the 1,000 years is still standing after the fire sends Satan and the remaining fallen angels to the fiery lake. They are not given in marriage so no children will be born. Adam and Eve will be viewed as two equals rather than Adam is the head of the family. As a 'child of God' He would be the one that guides what you learn as you get older in the new earth. The people that make their homes outside of New Jerusalem will call the universe the new earth.
Angels in their new heaven should be able to be given in marriage as there is no possibility that their child could fall into sin as he would be born perfected and the GWT is in a city that is as perfected as it gets. If angels make it there mankind is sure to follow and then those people will be given in marriage, after they know all angels know rather than before
"I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus"
In the NT that would be Stephen, Paul and Peter and the last would be the two witnesses. The ones not named would be resurrected as part of the Church members. Those few people will be joined by people from the OT that also lost their lives because they were servants of God. That small number get to watch the 7 vials being poured out on Satan's Babylon and then the resurrection of the House of Israel.
The 144,000 sealed watch the two witnesses being resurrected and the 12 Tribes will be rising from the grave all over the land and they are led to the Zec:6 Temple and the Eze:47 river
" 'and beheaded' for the word of God"
If a prophecy took your life you would fit into this group. The nations that had daughters taken away and married into the 12 Tribes will see those nations resurrected as 'relatives of the bride'. Pharaoh was prevented from surrendering earlier as the plagues was God showing Christ how to pour out the 7 vials when that time comes so he will be part of Egypt.
Joseph was the start of the group that would eventually see Mary become the mother of Jesus as He fulfilled the bruise to the heel part of Ge:3:16. The De:4 :30 prophecy has them being few in numbers after serving other Gods after being scattered into the nations. God seals 144,000 before any trumps sound. The harlot is made up of Jews who have not accepted Jesus and she dies before the return. The 144,000 and the Gentiles from the Re:11 Temple (visit during a prayer) are the last woman in Re:12 and they cannot be found like Jesus was not around during the 40 days after His baptism by God. Satan is said to chase them and then gives up and instead goes after the only place not yet controlled and that is Jerusalem. The two witnesses alone are saving Jerusalem for falling for anything but the 3 1/2 days they are in the grave. This shows that point is more complicated than it sounds. 'All the cities of the nations fell' is another short line that goes almost unnoticed even though it is referencing the deaths of a few billion people. 'Living carelessly in the isles' in Eze:39 is another term. When it says all the members of the 12 Tribes will die it is referencing the ones that are left to play the harlot. The 144,000 are to make sure it doesn't get any lower. That is also why Eze:37 goes back as far as it does, men that are mixed up with Satan and the Beast end up in hell for 1,000 years, the whole of the 12 Tribes are in the Zec:14 version of Israel when they are that close to Satan.
Eze:36:20-23:
And when they entered unto the heathen,
whither they went,
they profaned my holy name,
when they said to them,
These are the people of the LORD,
and are gone forth out of his land.
But I had pity for mine holy name,
which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen,
whither they went.
Therefore say unto the house of Israel,
Thus saith the Lord GOD;
I do not this for your sakes,
O house of Israel,
but for mine holy name's sake,
which ye have profaned among the heathen,
whither ye went.
And I will sanctify my great name,
which was profaned among the heathen,
which ye have profaned in the midst of them;
and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD,
saith the Lord GOD,
when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands
That is a list that has to all be done before the punishment is applied. The Beast is on the scene on the day the 5th trump sounds and 42 months later he is sent to the fiery lake as Jesus pours out the 7 vials. The image from Re:13 is a false throne and it can only be standing in the time the two witnesses are in the grave. That is the abomination in Matt:24 and in Da:11. The 'exploit' by people that know God in the next verse is the two witnesses being resurrected and the last verse in the chapter is the 7 vials being poured out and that is followed by the resurrections at the start of Da:12 has the same book as Re:10 does, the book of life.
After the 12 Tribes and the Church have been glorified Israel is turned back into the garden it was and Jerusalem will look like it would have if sin had never entered into the earth.
De:4:26-31:
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day,
that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it;
ye shall not prolong your days upon it,
but shall utterly be destroyed.
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
The Church is every Gentile on the planet from before the 1st trump sounds until the 7th trump sounds. On that day 1/3 survives the 7 vials and they kill the other 2/3. The last 3 verses in Zec:13 are the start of the passage that covers all of Zec:14.
7:00 Grace and faith. The faith that marks a Christian as a follower is that He rose from the grave and somebody who believes that will experience that at the start of the 1,000 years rather than at the GWT event. Along with the time bonus I get to live inside New Jerusalem and run shoulder with Moses and Adam and Enoch in the new earth verses rather than living outside the city where I create what I want with my own hands. The doubting Thomas story set the tone for the time the book is the gathering tool. The time of the Gentiles started in 70AD and Re:11 starts when there is 42 months left. The change would be that faith can be had by seeing works being done. The two witnesses would be doing works while the rest of the sealed people are getting protection due to the activities of the 7 Angels rather than they have any powers like them. That comes in the 1,000 year Shepherd Training School and beyond.
1Co:15:32:
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus,
what advantageth it me,
if the dead rise not?
let us eat and drink;
for to morrow we die.
Grace overlooks the minor sins a person does not repent as required as long as you have a relationship defined in the 7 letters that is positive. Taking care of the less fortunate would fit in there as well. Grace will not cover a sin by somebody who thinks grace covers it because they are a believer. At the GWT it covers all as they were prevented from becoming believers any earlier.
13:00 False escape, the good news is that earnest prayer (De:4:30) during the time of the trumps seems to keep the two witnesses alive so believers who face much less danger should remain alive during the time they are dead just because they are a long way from the action. All followers will get a glorified body, the ones that make it through the 7 trumps without dying are still glorified but they do not need a resurrection. In the new earth you go from an eternal being who needs food to stay alive to not needing food at the age of 120 years. Other flesh will remain eternal as they will know God like Adam did but they will not know about good and evil.
15:00 Being 'plucked'.
Re:14:16-19:
And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth;
and the earth was reaped.
And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven,
he also having a sharp sickle.
And another angel came out from the altar,
which had power over fire;
and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle,
saying,
Thrust in thy sharp sickle,
and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth;
for her grapes are fully ripe.
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth,
and gathered the vine of the earth,
and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Lu:17:29-37:
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven,
and destroyed them all.
Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
In that day,
he which shall be upon the housetop,
and his stuff in the house,
let him not come down to take it away:
and he that is in the field,
let him likewise not return back.
Remember Lot's wife.
Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it;
and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
I tell you,
in that night there shall be two men in one bed;
the one shall be taken,
and the other shall be left.
Two women shall be grinding together;
the one shall be taken,
and the other left.
Two men shall be in the field;
the one shall be taken,
and the other left.
And they answered and said unto him,
Where, Lord?
And he said unto them,
Wheresoever the body is,
thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Re:19:17:
And I saw an angel standing in the sun;
and he cried with a loud voice,
saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven,
Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
The verse above is after the vials have been poured out, the verse below should start when the trumps start to sound and how you hear the voice might depend on what you are doing as it might fit one of the relationships that would see the person miss out on being alive for the 1,000 years. The ones in the 2nd verse would probably have just witnessed the two witnesses rise up out of the grave and within the hour the 7th trump sounds and the vials are poured out in just a few hours
Re:14:6:
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,
having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation,
and kindred,
and tongue,
and people,
Re:14:7:
Saying with a loud voice,
Fear God,
and give glory to him;
for the hour of his judgment is come:
and worship him that made heaven,
and earth,
and the sea,
and the fountains of waters.
Re:14:8:
And there followed another angel,
saying,
Babylon is fallen,
is fallen,
that great city,
because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
The verse above would have to be on the day the two witnesses are resurrected and the first event of that day is the resurrection of the two witnesses, a warning, the vials being poured out and the required resurrections are completed. The closest ones are in the nearby hills and they witness Satan's Babylon burning and the one the farthest away take a month to walk there. That probably means the men give glory to God in Re:11 will hear all 3 messages as the vials are the next event.
Re:14:9:
And the third angel followed them,
saying with a loud voice,
If any man worship the beast and his image,
and receive his mark in his forehead,
or in his hand,
Re:14:10:
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God,
which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation;
and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels,
and in the presence of the Lamb:
Re:14:11:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:
and they have no rest day nor night,
who worship the beast and his image,
and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Re:14:12:
Here is the patience of the saints:
here are they that keep the commandments of God,
and the faith of Jesus.
Re:14:13:
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me,
Write,
Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth:
Yea,
saith the Spirit,
that they may rest from their labours;
and their works do follow them.
Re:14:14:
And I looked,
and behold a white cloud,
and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man,
having on his head a golden crown,
and in his hand a sharp sickle.
The vials are the sickle.
Re:12 is an expansion of Eve and the Ge:3 determination. Eve is the 1st woman and the 12 stars would represent the 24 Elders, 12 OT Saints and their 12 wives. The next woman is the 'seed of Eve; that gave birth to Jesus so that could be Mary or the 12 Tribes. The key part is from when John the Baptist was called until the cross 3 1/2 years later events were protected from going any other direction.
Re:12:4:
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven,
and did cast them to the earth:
and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered,
for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
The first attempt to stop Ge:3:15 from trying to kill all 5 fingered people. Noah and his family were the last 5 fingered people on the planet. Eve is the mother of Jesus through her daughter Mary. The end of the 3 1/2 year was the cross, the completion of the rule has to see the same seed claim the earth as His kingdom first. That is completed by the end of the same day the two witnesses are resurrected. The last woman would be the 144,000 and the Gentile Church in Re:11 and they are protected from dying for the equal of 3 1/2 years. If Mary the mother of Jesus is referenced in the 2nd woman then this last woman is the Beloved Disciple of John the Baptist, writer of the Gospel of John as well as the Revelation of John. The remnant of the last woman is the two witnesses alone.
Re:12:5:
And she brought forth a man child,
who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron:
and her child was caught up unto God,
and to his throne.
Re:12:6:
And the woman fled into the wilderness,
where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Combined they are the two bruises from Ge:3:15.
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A snare is similar to a thief in the night and that is part of the 6th vile so it happens when the trump sounds rather than in any of the 6 that sound before that. The vials kill sinner and they do not harem believers.
Lu:21:35:
For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Lu:21:36:
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and pray always,
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The word mystery, in 1 Co 15:51, points to these verses, in regards to the rapture.
Colossians 1:26-27 KJVS
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: [27] To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Revelation 10:7 ESV
but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 11:15 ESV
Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever."
That’s just thumbnail view.
This is a poor understanding of the Pre-wrath position. Look at the early church fathers until Plymouth Brothers no believe in a rapture before 70th week of Daniel. You must not have II Thess. Chapter 2 or Joel 2 as well. If you understood the Galilean betrothal before the wedding, then one would understand. This is exactly why cultists has done so much damage in the church. Utilizing 20th terminologies for the first century Christian church.
Im trying to look into this thoroughly, and checking every interpretation and scripture on the rapture. When “He” is “taken out of the way”, I dont think thats the church, and I’ll tell you why. The bride of Christ is the church. We know that as fact. Bride implies a symbolic female component. (Symbolic remember). When “He” is taken out of the way, “He” is always referring to God, or specifically the Holy Spirit. Since we know “peace will be taken from the earth”, that implies he temporarily withdraws the Holy Spirit, and lets sin run Amok one last time. We go through the tribulation folks. Remember Jesus said if we ENDURE TILL THE END we will be saved. “The end” is Christs second coming. THEN we meet him in the clouds. “One will be taken, one will be left”. A rapture isn’t scriptural. Ive gone up and down with this. Its just not there.
The post tribbers believe we Christians have to die and not take the mark. God will supernaturally keep us safe to endure? That one I don't believe.
Indeed, Jesus never promised protection from tribulation (Jn 16::33). On the other hand Scripture reports: "The living....will never precede the fallen-asleep [dead]" (1Th 4:15). Thus, the living can't possibly be raptured before "The Last Day" (Jn 639-40,44,54), after the "Great Tribulation" has been cut short (Mt 24:22).
@@alanlietzke5738 What did Jesus say it was the "last day" of?
@@paulbrennan4163 What part of "The Last Day" (Jn 6:39-40,44,54) is difficult to understand? Do you have the same difficulty with equivalent terms, like, "The End" (1Cor 15:23-24, Dan 12:13) "The End of the Days" (Dan 12:13) or "The End of the Age" (Mt 24:3)?
@@alanlietzke5738 What did Jesus say it was the "last day" of?
G.Grennell Or, the John passage could just be talking about, your words, "the group" rapture. Every rapture reference I see is singular, and is always joined to an "appearance", which according to Jesus occurs after the "great tribulation" (Matt 24) and was addressed to the apostles who are no doubt included in the rapture. Jesus does not touch down in Matt 24! He is removing his church from the place where his wrath will shortly begin, after the tribulation. The blessed hope from Titus is his "appearing", not a secret snatching away. If he appeared before the great tribulation, then he would bring the antichrist to nothing before he even becomes anything. Jesus said it will be the same as for Noah and Lot because they were rescued "on the day" when destruction came upon the wicked. Enoch died well before the flood day, so not a representative of the rapture....Pre-Wrath is correct, and agrees with the early church fathers...check it out!!!!!
First thing for everyone to understand: the word “rapture” ( harpazo/ raptus) does NOT CONNOTE or INCLUDE or imply the *timing* of that EVENT. “Rapture” is an EVENT. The *timing* of that event is an entirely different question. So the title of this video is itself incorrect.
BUT the Scriptures do TIE that event to the return of Christ IN THE CLOUDS.
So the question is *not* “ when is the event called the ‘rapture’”, but “when does Christ return in the clouds.” The NT says that Christ returns in the clouds “and gathers us unto Him” AFTER the Abomination of Desolation.
No it does not... That's your interpretation of it. I thought John was a student of Dallas Theological Seminary ❓. They are strictly Pre Trib
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Basically you are illiterate.
Rapture is an EVENT.
The word “rapture” has nothing to do with the TIMING of the event.
This is basic language comprehension.
Yep..see that's the problem with pre-trib believers..when they start having a little bit of persecution, stubbing their toes,etc...they want to get pulled/raptured out of here. People better man up and get ready for some tribulation before we go to be with the Lord Jesus and the Father.
@@TheShadowhunterx a stubbed toe isn't Tribulation... Don't be silly... I'm perfectly fine with you going through the Trib... If that's what you want. What part of
We are not "Children of Wrath " don't you get ❓ You are telling young , impressionable Christians that they will suffer greatly from God's Wrath right along side of the Unbelievers.... Smarten up
@edwardtelles1956 tribulation and wrath are two different things..I know it says we are not called to wrath. Tribulation is what the devil is going to put upon us..wrath is what God will put upon the world when we are called up.
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If God is omnipresent how can he travel to rapture people?
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@@roybasham5271Jesus is God though
Your right, no Greyhound bus necessary. God and Heaven reside in a different dimension. The most important part of the rapture is to prepare believers for eternity...your body will be changed. He will pass through the veil, where you couldn't exist in your current state.
"For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
The church rapture is a thousand years after the saints rapture
Revelation 20 shows both resurrections
Jesus is truth keep the faith
The arrogance within this comment section is Disgraceful.
The prewrath rapture is the easiest teaching about the rapture, not some convoluted pretrib rapture theory.
Those teaching the extra Biblical raptor event are setting their believers up for a great deception/disaster. Always thinking that if they don't make it the first time then OK now I will believe. Probation closes the great tribulation and then the second coming as described in Ephesians, those sleeping in Christ awake and those living meet them in the air. Know your Bible. 280+ different protestant churches each has some truth, keep studying the raptor won't be secrete
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Thank God we're American Christians because unlike our brothers and sisters around the world who are dying for their faith in Christ, we get to float away before anything bad happens. 😉👍(sarcasm)
Amen to that. American churchianity is full of self absorbed people who think God revolves around them. America is the new Babylon, and we are ripe for the judgement of God.
It's not over yet , you might get your wish .
The early church in American history suffered loss , and persecution.
No Christian has ever suffered what's coming , so why do you think the last Christian generation should .
It's all about God's timing... Not Human circumstances... If that were true , the killing of Christians back in the first century would have started the Tribulation back then... It's all about Israel....... And you can just imagine what 9 months is going to show us.
@@nzbrotrev9028 read revelations 6:9-11
@@edwardtelles1956 read revelations 6:9-11
He's totally wrong in trying to explain the prewrath rapture position. Not sure why he's comparing the rapture to prewrath, he should be saying pretrib rapture.
Needs to get to the point and stop dragging it out.
Agreed! The teaches could be 10 - 20 mins long but these DRAG ON 45min to an HOUR LONG! 😖
You need to have some patience and be glad somebodies establishing some biblical foundation and reason to there point of view…. Much love tho dude , I get wym though sometimes we don’t all have enough time to , at times I have to watch it in parts throughout the day
These explanations are very good for people who need help putting dots together. He is thorough and knowledgeable and his teachings helps hundreds of thousands of people. I, for one, am grateful.
The rapture is the last trumpet. It’s all one event
I don't think he needs to change a thing. He is very thorough. He is an excellent Bible teacher.
Too Many Opinions Out There Wayyy Too Many Opinionns THE KING OF THE UNIVERSE WILL RAPTURE AND RETURN WHEN HE THE FATHER WISHES - REVIVAL REVEALING RAPTURE IN MY OPINION.
Onlyone coming, yet to happen! The "Coming" of the Lord Jesus Christ is always discussed with singular nouns (Mt 24:3, 27,37,39, 1Th 4:15, 2Th 2:1,8....). Moreover, there is only one coming described (Rev 1:7, Mt 24:30), and it occurs during "The Day of The LORD" (2Th 2:1-2), which day, Jesus called, "The Last Day" (Jn 6:39-40, 44,54), because it is the day when the present heavens and earth will be burned-up with intense heat (2Pet 3:10-12), after the wicked are destroyed the same day (Is 13:6-15, Jer 46:10, Joel 1:15-3:15), after the Righteous have been safely raptured (1Th 4:17-5:2), with imperishable bodies at "The Last Trumpet" (1Cor 15:51-52), which to be last, must occur after the Last-Ever full moon (Ps 81:3), as well as, after the Last-Ever annual "Feast of Trumpets" (Num 29:1, Lev 23:23).
John is a false teacher, who adds things to the Bible, in order to tickle the ears of people with itching ears.
In the Old Testament, two different pictures are painted of the Messiah - one suffering (Isa. 53:2-10, Ps. 22:6-8, 11-18) and one reigning as King (Ps. 2:6-12, Zech. 14:9,16). As we look back on these Scriptures, we can see that they predicted two separate comings of the Messiah-the 1st coming as a suffering Messiah and the 2nd coming (still future) as a reigning King.
In the New Testament, we have another picture added. Again, we have two pictures painted which don’t look the same. These two different descriptions of Jesus’ coming point to two separate events we call the Rapture and the Second Coming.
Furthermore, Jesus "first coming" does not refer to the first time he ever came down to the earth. He came multiple times. Since the Father does not make house calls we can understand the fact that it was Jesus who spoke with Adam and Eve in Eden, who came down and appeared to Abraham, to Jacob, to Moses and many other people.
Jesus earthly ministry being referred to as his "first coming" and his return in the end times as his "second coming" is obviously because they are major events that have global impact.
The rapture is merely a precursor to what will occur in the end times and will only involve those people who have lived their lives according to the law of Christ. It isn't his second coming, but something that has to occur _before_ he returns with the church to destroy his enemies.
@@paulbrennan4163 Read your Bible more carefully ans in full context and you will discover:
1) The "Rapture" is the "Harvest of the Wheat" (Mt 13:30) and the "Harvest" is the "End of the Age" (Mt 13:39), NOT ~7 years before.
2) The Lord will return to Gather His People on " The day of the Lord" (2Th 2:1-2), the same day as "The First Resurrection" (Rev 20:4-5), The Resurrection of the Justified" (Lk14:14, Jn 6:39-40-44,54), the same day that the wicked and ungodly will be destroyed (Is 13:6-15, Jer 46:10, Joel 1:1-3:15) by the Wrath of God (Rev 16), shortly before the present heavens and earth will be burned-up with intense heat (2Pet 3:10-12), making "The Day of the Lord", the Day of His "Coming", our "Gathering", the judgement and destruction of the wicked and ungodly, as well as "The End of the Age" (Mt 24:3), indeed, "a day like none other" (Jer 30:7).
@@alanlietzke5738 No matter who I discuss scripture with there is aways someone who doesn't have a clue about how I go about reading the Bible and yet who thinks they are confident enough to deliver some smirky, condescending remark suggesting I don't read it carefully enough. You have no clue what you are talking about. Perhaps you are the one who needs to read it more carefully.
1) Since the parable of the "Harvest of the Wheat" says nothing about any 7 years then what does mentioning it actually prove? Please explain!
2) There is nothing whatsoever in scripture that indicates that the rapture and the Day of the Lord occur simultaneously. In fact, the _opposite_ is true.
If you search for the term "Day of the Lord" in scripture you will notice that every single reference to it, without a single exception, is utterly negative. If both of these events take place on the same day then wouldn't the Day of the Lord have to be the "blessed hope" that all Christianity is looking forward to?
According to Revelation 19 Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation with his bride. If this is when the rapture occurs then shouldn't we be longing for it? At the very least one would expect to see some hint of positivity about it. But take a good look at this:
*"Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord!* Why do you long for the day of the Lord? *That day will be darkness, not light."* (Amos 5:18)
Two verses later he expands on this:
"Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, *not light - pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?"* (Amos 5:20)
Here he tells us that there is absolutely _nothing_ positive about that day.
I don't know about you but it sure doesn't sound like the rapture to me.
@@paulbrennan4163 No disrespect intended from me nor any warranted to me. Anyone reading the Bible carefully and thoughtfully will know:
1) Any "Pre-Tribulation" Rapture is contradicted by the Bible more than 15 times, making it Biblically impossible.
2) Since "the living.... will never precede the dead" (1Th 4:15), the living can't possibly be Raptured before "The Last Day" (Jn 6:39-40,44,54).
3) The "Coming of the Lord Jesus will occur on "The Day of the Lord" (2Th 2:1-2).
4) Our (Rapture) "Gathering" will occur on "The Day of the Lord" (2Th 2:1-2).
5) The "Harpadzo" (Rapture) will occur on "The Day of the Lord" (1Th 4:17-5:2), when read in full trailing context.
6) "The Day of the Lord" will be both magnificent and glorious (Act 2:20) as well as terrible (Joel 2:31).
7) "The Day of the Lord" will be magnificent and glorious for all who have loved His appearing (2Tim 4:8), because they will see Him coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (Mt 24:30), to gather all "His Elect with a "Great Trumpet" (Mt 24:31) with immortal bodies (1Cor 15:50-52).
8) "The Day of the Lord" will be terrible for those who pieced Him (Rev 1:7) and for those who surround Jerusalem (Zec 12:2-4, 9), and those who will grieve, as over a first born or only child (Zec 12:10).
9) "The Day of the Lord" will be especially terrible for those "Left-Behind", the tares, wicked, and ungodly, who will be destroyed (Is 13:6-15, Jer 46:16, Joel 1:15. 3:15-16) by the Wrath of God (Rev 16).
10) "The Day of the Lord" is a day of deep darkness (Is 13:10, Joel 2:2), without light, except at even-time (Zec 14:6-7) , when every eye will see Him coming with the clouds of heaven (Rev 1:7).
11) The Day of the Lord" is "like a thief in the night" (1Th 5:3), because the "Harpadzo" (snatching-up/Rapture) (1Th 4:17) will occur in darkness (Mt 24:29, Zec 14:6).
12) The Day of the Lord" will be magnificent because it is the day when the present (sin-cursed) heavens and earth will be burned-up with intense heat (2Pet 3:10-12), making "The Day of the Lord" the day of His "Coming", the day of the Rapture/ Harvest (Mt 13:30), "The end of the age (Mt 24:3), as well as "The Last Day", 7 years after a covenant with many (Dan 9:27).
@@alanlietzke5738 OK, no disrespect in return, but none of these points prove what you think they do.
1) Any "Pre-Tribulation" Rapture is contradicted by the Bible more than 15 times, making it Biblically impossible.
Not there are not.
2) Since "the living.... will never precede the dead" (1Th 4:15), the living can't possibly be Raptured before
"The Last Day" (Jn 6:39-40,44,54).
What exactly did Jesus say it would be the "last day" of?
3) The "Coming of the Lord Jesus will occur on "The Day of the Lord" (2Th 2:1-2).
The "Coming of the Lord" refers to a period of time, not just a single day.
Compare these two verses:
"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the *COMING OF THE SON OF MAN."* (Matthew 24:37)
"as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the *DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN."* (Luke 17:26)
4) Our (Rapture) "Gathering" will occur on "The Day of the Lord" (2Th 2:1-2).
That's not what the verse says. Mentioning two future events that are related to each other does not mean that they occur simultaneously.
5) The "Harpadzo" (Rapture) will occur on "The Day of the Lord" (1Th 4:17-5:2), when read in full trailing context.
See above.
6) "The Day of the Lord" will be both magnificent and glorious (Act 2:20) as well as terrible (Joel 2:31).
And?
7) "The Day of the Lord" will be magnificent and glorious for all who have loved His appearing (2Tim 4:8), because they will see Him coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (Mt 24:30), to gather all "His Elect with a "Great Trumpet" (Mt 24:31) with immortal bodies (1Cor 15:50-52).
Now you are just throwing verses together the way you want them. And Matthew 24:31 is _not_ referring to the rapture. I will address that point separately.
8) "The Day of the Lord" will be terrible for those who pieced Him (Rev 1:7) and for those who surround Jerusalem (Zec 12:2-4, 9), and those who will grieve, as over a first born or only child (Zec 12:10).
And?
9) "The Day of the Lord" will be especially terrible for those "Left-Behind", the tares, wicked, and ungodly, who will be destroyed (Is 13:6-15, Jer 46:16, Joel 1:15. 3:15-16) by the Wrath of God (Rev 16).
And?
10) "The Day of the Lord" is a day of deep darkness (Is 13:10, Joel 2:2), without light, except at even-time (Zec14:6-7) , when every eye will see Him coming with the clouds of heaven (Rev 1:7).
And?
I already pointed that one out! So how could it be on the same day as the rapture if it is without light?
11) The Day of the Lord" is "like a thief in the night" (1Th 5:3), because the "Harpadzo" (snatching-up/Rapture) (1Th 4:17) will occur in darkness (Mt 24:29, Zec 14:6).
Again, all you are doing is throwing verses together to make your view work. Jesus coming as a thief has nothing to do with darkness, it has to do with timing! You need to stick to the narrative:
"Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back-whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn. If he comes suddenly, do not let him find you sleeping." (Mark 13:35-36)
And
"But understand this: If the owner of the house had known *at what time of night the thief was coming,* he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into." (Matthew 24:43)
12) The Day of the Lord" will be magnificent because it is the day when the present (sin-cursed) heavens and earth will be burned-up with intense heat (2Pet 3:10-12), making "The Day of the Lord" the day of His "Coming", the day of the Rapture/ Harvest (Mt 13:30), "The end of the age (Mt 24:3), as well as "The Last Day", 7 years after a covenant with many (Dan 9:27).
This is where the post-tribulation view totally falls apart. You have Jesus coming at a time _everyone_ expects, even satan, which make Mark 13:35-36 utterly meaningless!
I'll get back to you shortly concerning Mattew 24:31.
Jeremiah 30:7
“Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.”
King James Version (KJV
This is the rapture/ re-gathering or removal of the 12 African tribes of Jacob scattered all over the world in the millions even billions during the trans Atlantic slave trade.
I went to the store. I opened mu door, went to the car and drove to the store. One event? Two events? Three? You know this guy is wrong because now he says there are two raptures! This is like a bad haircut where you cut one side too short so you have to shorten the other side so it matches. He has to imagine two raptures because its clear that the rapture (the only rapture) is AT the second coming.
Read 1st chapter of Romans. Look around. The wrath of God has begun. Rejecting the creation and creator is the trigger. Most recently, we've had a whole generation that has been taught the falsehoods of anti-design(creation) resulting in ever increasing sinful thoughts, words and deeds, even by so-called confessing Christians. Accepting the sin nature of people under the wrath, (separation) from God and Godliness. It is all part of the long war against God. Every generation of mankind.
If you think this is wrath we are experiencing then I suggest you rethink your assumptions
The book of Revelation gives a pretty clear picture of the wrath of God. I definitely haven’t seen giant stinging locusts attacking people for 5months yet and I haven’t seen 20lb hailstones either. There are very few people running to the mountains begging the mountains to fall on them to hide them from the wrath… Still think the wrath has begun? Don’t underestimate the power of the Almighty God
Yeah u talk to much !
? . . .But although we meet Him in the air, it is while He is coming back to earth, describing the way they used to go out of the city to meet their returning victorious army and walk into the city with it, as part of the victory parade. So maybe the different passages speak of the same event, not two events? Also in the Flood, "taken" is used for the ones that died?
There is only 1 event (second coming/rapture). They contort scripture to support their pre-trib narrative. It's almost it's own religion with some people.
No comparison to the comings and goings of that time... The Rapture is his Presents in the Clouds... to receive Us.
The unsaved world will see or here nothing.