@@JovaniDanteGriego question: can one replace the valve rack arms, springs and valves to prolong the life on an engine? And is that what you did in this video?
@@Drityfro09 so yes and no. Unless the engine is known for weak spring materials, bad trunions, etc. then these components should all be good for the life of the engine obviously inspect parts and replace as needed but no engines require complete replacement of valve train as a maintenance item, only if something has broken, worn etc. hope that helps
@@JovaniDanteGriego that helps. My 2.4 ecotec engine had a timing chain cover oil leak that I didn’t get fixed for over 6months unfortunately. I am approaching 200k miles. I am about to replace my valve cover gaskets and didn’t want to be hit with any surprises. My engine starts normal and drives without any misfires or jumps. I have been researching a ton. I am asking questions to get a better understanding how the 3 layered engine comes together.
Honestly, this is the best explainer video I have seen to remove valves. A job well done. took me 15 minutes to remove 16 valves. Thank you so much. Now its going to be tough getting them back in there!
The breaker bar trick was what I initially thought as a substitute, but I didn't follow-thru yet. Thank you for showing it's possible! I got the 2.2L ecotec, I feel lucky to have found this video.
Yeah that's an old trick of the old days when nobody had these fancy tools of these modern times you really had to use your noodle😜😁. great video .This is what I'm doing right now with the cylinder head! I'm just reusing the old valve springs had re service
I swear I ALMOST quit building engines because of keepers alone! I learned the hard way though, nobody told me, their easy ish to get out it's getting them back in thats the issue, tried so many tricks like the grease on screwdriver n blah blah blah nothing worked, my previous build I ended up using a 1/4" small socket that fit over my valve tips and a 16mm deep socket with a 6 inch extender over the retainers, lined up the keepers in the retainers n pushed with my body weight, took a try or two on some and boop! Locked in place, all valves done in an hr only after a solid week of trying every "valve spring compressor tool" I could find in my local shops spent so much damn money on tools but w.e I got it done lol Until the next build anyway ... anyone else doing keepers, Good luck!
Here's a tip, when installing springs, compress it with vice grips or a bench vice, put 2 heavy duty zip ties around the spring to hold it, then position it in correctly and cut the zip ties to relieve spring compression, they will just pop into place
This is a good tip, I've done this in the past with a vice, however sometimes the zip ties themselves will be in the way and doesn't work for heads where the spring is recessed into a hole
Here's a tip ... If your valve lapping compounds sole purpose is to remove burrs, and grind aluminum and steel to create a seal..... Yeah it's pretty important to NOT leave any bit of that shit in your valve well or across the bottom of your cylinder head. Dont do what he did and wipe your rag across the head with compound in it..... Maybe remove the valve seals while you lap also......
The Lisle tool works pretty well removing springs. Installing is a nightmare for me. Most frustrating is that it got one keeper in and the other half jammed, then repeat. I gave up on it after 2 hours try, exhausted and frustrated, and ordered a C clap style from Amazon to finish the job. I like your self made tool. It can replace the springs and keepers with the head on the engine. Good job!
Yea I'm glad I made that little puppy. Took about 6 hours from inception but it works pretty well. If only someone wanted to make some nice cnc versions 😂
I used the same method to remove them but used a small magnet inside the socket to capture the retainers. To install them I used a swimming noodle to keep the retainers in place.
It's a lot easier just to us a very long extension on your socket and attach a ratchet and then with your palm apply pressure to the spring, just like the way you were explaining how to reinstall the keepers. It's a lot easier than using the hammer. Just saying. The longer the extension the better.
I found a missing valve keeper on my 1.6l TGDI Ecoboost. We're pulling cams soon to see if the keeper was actually missing or it's a spare from the factory. All the valvetrain is still intact... so we don' know how it would escape. If we see it's missing I'm thinking about installing it with the head-on... maybe. feed some rope into the cylinder bank so the valve doesn't strike a piston.
I know this video is over a year old, but I just saw a video the other day where someone used that Lyle tool to put the springs back on. They used a hammer on it the same as when taking it off, with that attachment on the end of course and the keepers just fell into place. I hope you got the timing right on it the second time so you didn't have to do it again. Lol
Thanks. Picking up techniques from different videos. I’m gonna steal this idea but instead of hammering it, I’m gonna use locking pliers for leverage. Then I’ll slowly push on the spring. I’ll use a magnet pen through the hole of the socket instead of the extension. Now I just have to come up with an efficient way to install them back without the keepers flying into another dimension.
Go ahead and find a ecotec valve spring tool for cheap. I used the Lisle remover tool and it did not work. And it's literally the same concept you smack it with a hammer and it has a magnet to collect the keepers. This is how to do it
I was so confused with the engine head with the valves and springs. Your video helped me understand how simple it is to replace or clean the valves.
@@Drityfro09 try not to touch the valve stem to much other than with a brass brush. I failed to mention this in the video.
@@JovaniDanteGriego question: can one replace the valve rack arms, springs and valves to prolong the life on an engine? And is that what you did in this video?
@@Drityfro09 so yes and no. Unless the engine is known for weak spring materials, bad trunions, etc. then these components should all be good for the life of the engine obviously inspect parts and replace as needed but no engines require complete replacement of valve train as a maintenance item, only if something has broken, worn etc. hope that helps
@@JovaniDanteGriego that helps. My 2.4 ecotec engine had a timing chain cover oil leak that I didn’t get fixed for over 6months unfortunately. I am approaching 200k miles. I am about to replace my valve cover gaskets and didn’t want to be hit with any surprises. My engine starts normal and drives without any misfires or jumps. I have been researching a ton. I am asking questions to get a better understanding how the 3 layered engine comes together.
@@JovaniDanteGriego my intake and exhaust solenoids are bad. I know I need to replace this asap.
Honestly, this is the best explainer video I have seen to remove valves. A job well done. took me 15 minutes to remove 16 valves. Thank you so much. Now its going to be tough getting them back in there!
The breaker bar trick was what I initially thought as a substitute, but I didn't follow-thru yet. Thank you for showing it's possible! I got the 2.2L ecotec, I feel lucky to have found this video.
Yeah that's an old trick of the old days when nobody had these fancy tools of these modern times you really had to use your noodle😜😁. great video .This is what I'm doing right now with the cylinder head! I'm just reusing the old valve springs had re service
I swear I ALMOST quit building engines because of keepers alone! I learned the hard way though, nobody told me, their easy ish to get out it's getting them back in thats the issue, tried so many tricks like the grease on screwdriver n blah blah blah nothing worked, my previous build I ended up using a 1/4" small socket that fit over my valve tips and a 16mm deep socket with a 6 inch extender over the retainers, lined up the keepers in the retainers n pushed with my body weight, took a try or two on some and boop! Locked in place, all valves done in an hr only after a solid week of trying every "valve spring compressor tool" I could find in my local shops spent so much damn money on tools but w.e I got it done lol Until the next build anyway ... anyone else doing keepers, Good luck!
Here's a tip, when installing springs, compress it with vice grips or a bench vice, put 2 heavy duty zip ties around the spring to hold it, then position it in correctly and cut the zip ties to relieve spring compression, they will just pop into place
This is a good tip, I've done this in the past with a vice, however sometimes the zip ties themselves will be in the way and doesn't work for heads where the spring is recessed into a hole
@@JovaniDanteGriego yeah good point
Thanks a very simple and cheap way of removing/replacing valves. Working on VW 2.0 turbo head.
same
Thanks for the video, just removed 16 bent valves out of my 2011 A5 using this technique.
Awesome! Glad it helped
Nice, a 15mm socket popped my retainers right off. Thanks mate.
No problem !
The best explanation so far.
Good video bro. I think I will use tools I have already to disassemble head for sure now.
It worked like a charm. Thank you.
Great clear video. Thanks so much!
Thanks for watching
Here's a tip ... If your valve lapping compounds sole purpose is to remove burrs, and grind aluminum and steel to create a seal..... Yeah it's pretty important to NOT leave any bit of that shit in your valve well or across the bottom of your cylinder head. Dont do what he did and wipe your rag across the head with compound in it..... Maybe remove the valve seals while you lap also......
The Lisle tool works pretty well removing springs. Installing is a nightmare for me. Most frustrating is that it got one keeper in and the other half jammed, then repeat. I gave up on it after 2 hours try, exhausted and frustrated, and ordered a C clap style from Amazon to finish the job. I like your self made tool. It can replace the springs and keepers with the head on the engine. Good job!
Yea I'm glad I made that little puppy. Took about 6 hours from inception but it works pretty well. If only someone wanted to make some nice cnc versions 😂
I used the same method to remove them but used a small magnet inside the socket to capture the retainers. To install them I used a swimming noodle to keep the retainers in place.
That's a good idea on the swim noodle
This is the sort of thing I keep a small neodymium magnet in my tool bag for.
Hey huge help thank you I lost timing on my sunfire omg what a disaster lol
It's a lot easier just to us a very long extension on your socket and attach a ratchet and then with your palm apply pressure to the spring, just like the way you were explaining how to reinstall the keepers. It's a lot easier than using the hammer. Just saying. The longer the extension the better.
I found a missing valve keeper on my 1.6l TGDI Ecoboost. We're pulling cams soon to see if the keeper was actually missing or it's a spare from the factory. All the valvetrain is still intact... so we don' know how it would escape. If we see it's missing I'm thinking about installing it with the head-on... maybe. feed some rope into the cylinder bank so the valve doesn't strike a piston.
I know this video is over a year old, but I just saw a video the other day where someone used that Lyle tool to put the springs back on. They used a hammer on it the same as when taking it off, with that attachment on the end of course and the keepers just fell into place.
I hope you got the timing right on it the second time so you didn't have to do it again. Lol
Do a detail vid on that compressor tool you fabbed
Thanks. Picking up techniques from different videos. I’m gonna steal this idea but instead of hammering it, I’m gonna use locking pliers for leverage. Then I’ll slowly push on the spring. I’ll use a magnet pen through the hole of the socket instead of the extension. Now I just have to come up with an efficient way to install them back without the keepers flying into another dimension.
Are you working on a ecotec head?
Jovani Dante Griego Toyota engine
You mentioned that several valves were bent....did you replace them with new ones, or does the valve lapping take care of it?
No I replaced the bent ones. This only takes care of seating
good video
This worked so well but it destroyed the extention bar
Aww man. Well at least it worked!
Just buy the Damn tool, it's $20!
Good to know post apocalypses though.
Nice.
Hey hey can you make me a tool for the 2013 Chevy Cruze 1.4L to put new springs with ease?
Does this work on Harley Davidson Evo Cylinders that have dual spring valves?
Maybe. You might have to hit them realllll hard 😂
I order 3 of these over four months ago and have never received them
3 of what?
I don't know why but using a sledgehammer on an aluminium head scares me.
How many 👀 have been lost
Removing is easy fixing it back not easy
Don’t pound on the valve with a sledge unless you want bent valves. Removal of bent valves okay but never installation
Use a rubber mallet..... Also its much mmore faster then using a tool lmao.
I will never bring my car to you to fix it 👎👎
That's fine I don't work on other people's junk
😀😀😀😀😀😀
Me neither, why would you beat on your head and valve springs when you can buy tool on Amazon relatively cheap.
Go ahead and find a ecotec valve spring tool for cheap. I used the Lisle remover tool and it did not work. And it's literally the same concept you smack it with a hammer and it has a magnet to collect the keepers. This is how to do it
“no special tools required” then proceeds to use valve keeper tool and a chevy valve spring compressor
If you paid attention I ended up using a socket and extension
Should watch whole vid before inserting dumb comment. I swear, Some folks' freedom of speech should be taxed
wastage of time
Don't bother with this sillyness.
Do you need to redo timing after removing the cams ????
Yea you need to either mark it and put it back exactly or start at tdc and go through proper timing procedure