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- And how the speaker compares to Celestion Marshall G12 Vintage (V30) & Celestion G12M-65 Creamback. With Marshall JCM800 2203 aka The Bad Boy and modded 1959HW Plexi. And BOSS SD-1 :-).
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Timecodes:
- Intro & general info: 0:00
- The gear & signal chain: 6:56
- G12-T75: 7:45
- G12 Vintage: 8:15
- Thoughts: 8:55
- Tweaking JCM800 w/G12-T75: 9:58
- More info: 14:14
- G12-T75, G12 Vintage & G12M-65 comparison: 15:45
- G12-T75 blended with G12 Vintage & G12M-65: 20:09
- Conclusion: 21:44
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Some people hate his tone but man I LOVE Malmsteen’s Marshall T75 tone 😭❤
That is exactly what I have in my 4x12: T75 & V30 in an "X" pattern... thanks for the confirmation, sounded great!
Cool! Thanks!
They work even better IMO with 2 T75's on top with 2 V30's on bottom since the V30's are louder (not just higher sensitivity, but louder than most 100db speakers because of the aggressive upper mids).
Me too! Men of taste 😂
I've been using the G12-75 in a 1960 A cab on DSL2000 with SM57 and Greenbacks in a 1960B cab and JVM205 with SH906, running together. The sount in the room and out of the monitors.....MY GOD!!! Those two speakers really blend well together. The sound is huge!
I love that speaker combination as well, and from other conversations I had in the past I know we aren't alone.
I was looking for demos of this speaker 10 minutes before you uploaded LOL
Awesome! :-)
You really sound great any speaker you choose.Well done and the work you put in is much appreciated !
Perfect timing Euge !!! I was just debating on getting a Marshall 1960B cab for my JVM … looking to change things up from all my Vintage 30 cabs
Glad to hear thanks!
Man it was just instant Zakk Wylde when he played that first riff. Same speakers were used on those early ozzy albums. Great tone man.
2:18 The "12JN" on the sticker indicates the date this speaker was made. The sticker on yours indicates it was manufactured on the 12th of September, 2003.
Ah ok cool! Thanks!
Also let me add more speaker nerds info (guilty as charged😃), the number 50 on the sticker means it was made in china.
@@MrRockntube Did not know that, thanks!
Excellent. 👊
I took 2 UK made K100s out of my mode four cab and put them in my 1960B X pattern with vintage 30s awesome stuff.
Have my 4 T75s all boxed up.
Edit : The Creamback 65 with the T75 was awesome. 👏
On the 75/906, first thought was try moving the mic away from the speaker to reduce the proximity effect. Sometimes little changes there can make a huge difference. Also if you haven’t tried a v30 with a g12h30, that works extremely well.
My rig is an Engl Savage 120 MKII and old JCM800 cabinet with 4 G12-T75 speakers. I have no complaints but I would love to try a cabinet with V30's someday. This was very interesting!
Hell yeah! I've been using this lately (an IR) as a mic in the mix to give the sound that top end snarl. If you need to cut through in the mix this speaker can help for sure
O damn. This depth/darkness is exactly the part of the sound I am missing with the v30 2*12 now, will keep this speaker in mind! Switch one out maybe 😁 thanks for the video!
I am glad that I found your channel. I am fairly new to the tube amp game and it's great to find someone who is willing to educate the masses and chases the same sound that I do. My base sound has always been the "No More Tears" album.
Right now, my main amp is the DSL 40. I've been able to get my sound for the most part with the stock speaker. I do have an EQ in the loop as well which might be doing more than I give it credit for. The Crunch channel with the SD-1 is pretty stout and is a fairly decent clone of the 800 sound. Anyways, a lot of people crap on the stock speaker, but I can't find a replacement that would give me a better sound with just the one speaker as the Celestion line up seems to need a combination to hit all the frequencies that our ears want to hear. I ask myself if would be better off just keeping the stock speaker or getting the T-75 and redo my EQ like you did?
I ask this also, would it be a worthy (and fun) idea to try to get another DSL 40 and pair it with my Chorus Ensemble pedal in Stereo like Zakk Wylde, but with a V30 in one and the T75 in the other?
i'm using a marshall 1960a vintage cab with marshall uk vintage speakers and a 1960b lead with g12 t75's. i love the way they sound together. it creates a kind of mind blowing 3d sound like you describe that is very addicting. and you can change the way it sounds when you move your head in different directions until you find the sweet spot. you seem to have found it.
I've been hoping you would make this!
Great video, thank you very much! I like your videos because you always analyze what you hear and this is the most useful thing. As to the speaker, your T75 was made on 12 sept 2003 in China.
I came to say the same: the sticker with straight corners is a giveaway that it's made in China (made in England units have round corners). So it can't be from the '90s.
12JN is the date code, 12 stands for the day, J is the month = september, N is the year = 2003.
It was after the factory move in 2003. I have Greenback units from 2004 and 2009 and they beat later units, the 2004 one sounds so full and vintagey, the 2009 ones sound so smooth, round and defined. It seems there was a shift in production specs afterwards, when harsher units became notorious (why Celestion did that, nobody knows).
I've been using an Avatar 4x12 with 2-T75's, and 2-V30's for about 7 years now, and I find it hard to describe how good it sounds. And mind you I was coming from a Mid 90's Shitflield Peavey 5150 4x12. LOL. I might put the same speakers in the Peavey cab. Being able to mix the 2 speakers on the same cab is awesome for recording.
I wasn't really paying attention until you got to the G12-75s! Wow! They sound beastly! I have two Peavey 6505 cabs and am considering swapping out the stock Sheffields in one of them for something else. These are a good option!
I put them into my peavey 5150 212 and they cut out a lot of the honkiness of the Sheffields. Most people just want to get rid of them so they're usually pretty cheap. Makes it less risky to just try them out
I have T75 and V30 in X pattern in my Marshall 1960A cabinet, and live I also use this as a combination IR's in my Fractal units which sounds absolutely brutal!
That’s my favourite speaker, I’m using a SM57 and a m201 on the edge of the dust cap.
I can totally agree. The T75 sounds great and full in the room but mic'd up it sounds strange/scooped
Very nice video Euge! the biggest problem of all the T75 haters, is usually the mic setup. For this particular speaker, there are really better options than Sm57. I use two Marshall 1960 cabs loaded with T75/Vintage and T75/V-Type speakers, and I really dig both.
Kippis!
Great video Euge! Some excellent points there you make about capturing the T75 with a mic. I personally use this speaker with a V30 and really love the 3 dimensional but still in your face sound you get from them, especially with an amp like a Soldano. Thanks Euge.
Excellent video, Euge! I love the Greenbacks sound (specially if it is vintage with the Pulsonic cone before 1973) and eventually blending the GBs with the G12T-75s - in a JCM 800 bias. Never really liked the V30s on its own, but the blend with the G12T-75s you just did called my attention, it sounded incredible! Cheers!
If I had the time, I would actually try and test most stuff your doing in your videos.
But I don't 😂
Thank you for your work Sir 🎯
great video mate thanks for sharing your insight
I've got a jcm 800 2 x 12 from 84 it came with the vented og t75's mixed with a v30 its fantastic. i have old g12 65 and mojotone greenbacks in my other cabs and im not a fan of the v30 or t75 on its own but they sound great together.
Cool!
I think a lot of people would agree T75s sound great in the room/live, but I've never had a single issue RECORDING with them. Absolutely one of my favorite speakers in that context...they give a certain "air" and liveness to a mic'ed tone and don't sound like a disembodied speaker. It's a very synergistic sound between the speaker and the cab itself.
When I had my Uberschall/Uberkab, my prevailing thought when recording that setup was that the T75 was THE speaker doing the heavy-lifting with that amp, without question. They translate the bottom end that amp has to a T, pun intended. They give you the "snap", the articulation/attack and they don't sound honky. Better still, they're a 40+ year old speaker and STILL sound modern. Yes, the highs extend a bit, but most modern amps are plenty capable of dialing it back while still giving you the pick attack heavy guitars need. I'll defend T75s 'til I'm dead and buried!
Love your videos man! Have you ever considered making your own IRs of that cabinet? Those T-75s sounded fantastic!
Great video. I use a t75 in a randall iso cab at home, miced with a 906 and a 606. Very very happy with the sound! Way better than the v30 the iso cab came with.
Other than that... a 4x12 cabinet blended with t75s and v30s are the best. For me.
Thanks!
Having recently built my setup, I replaced my crappy stock speakers with vintage 30’s and greenbacks.
After seeing this, I wish I would’ve gotten those T-75’s. They really seem like their sound would just go through you.
I achieved a good sound with what I got but damn, this very good comparison makes me wish I went with the 75’s.
Very nice video comparison!
🤘🤘🤘
I remember the standard Marshall cabs in the 90s sounded awesome with the T75s, as did the Greenbacks. I have only heard YT demos of the modern T75s and to my ears they sound nothing like the old ones. And I'm not talking about having the speakers broken-in. The old ones sounded awesome brand-new in the store. I'll have to re-try the modern ones.
Great demo - really amazing how much better the V30/Marshall speakers sound - just because more mids are more like VH. After the V30, the 75's sound like there's a pillow in front of the amp! I read Yngwie uses the 75's - maybe with a bright, loud Strat they are more neutral?
I have been using 2x UK made T75 and 2x UK made V30's in my Marshall cab for quite a while now. But i have V30 on the top and T75 on the bottom. I think it is a great sounding combination. Thanks for the great vid and agreeing it is a good combination of speakers. I enjoy watching all your videos. Cheers.
TRY THE V30'S 0N THE BTTM BECAUSE THEY ARE L0UDER/M0RE AGRESSIVE SPEAKER, 0R PUT THEM IN AN X-PATTERN LIKE B0GNER D0ES 0N THEIR UBER CAB! CHEERS!
@@MrBlackHimself I initially did try both V30s on bottom and aldo in X pattern. But prefer the sound of the T75s on the bottom. More of a secondary speaker adding bottom end I feel this way. Thanks.
Euge. Quality content from a quality player, I’d imagine a more mid focused guitar would shine bright with the speaker combo as well. 🤘🏼
Have an Engl 412 Pro with v30's and a 1960B with unvented white label T75's from '86, together it's heaven. Both speaker types really compliment each other.
Wow very nice job comparing and contrasting the differences! I love your channel. I wanted to ask about your Tele in the rack behind you. I don't think I have seen you play it. I will search your channel. Peace!
Always fun to watch and hear!! Gotta admit, it sounded good even if its a speaker ai always dsliked.
segeborn made a video of a guy comparing the old 80s t75s with the new ones and they sound completely different. the 75s in my 800 cab from 89 sound great
Would love to see you do a video like this on the hated celestion 70/80 and hear your thoughts. I think it's a decent speaker in the room but like the g12-t75... It's hard to make it sound good when micing
I'd bet an Eminence Swamp Thang and Creamback would work excellent together? They're both very distinct and have minimal overlapping frequencies. Together they'd crush all other pairings I can think of. Put 2 Eminence on the bottom, and 2 Creambacks up top, in a 412. That'd be the ultimate do anything cab of death! It's a project for a CZcams video, that would get massive attention. Euge is the guy for the job. Kick'n ass on the speaker content. Thanx for all the work buddy. Gets people thinking.
Great comparison thanks. That sounds so massive: T75+V30 is the winner based on my ears. Actually if I remember well Leon Todd's free IR (that I use a lot) is actually a Marshall cab with mix of V30 + T75. Now I know why I like that IR. I only play 1x12 at home (loud basement ;-) and I like quite a bit the T75 on its own as it gives a deeper bass on a small cab whixh is pleasing when playing for myself ;-)
The T75's are a bit bright and spiky with a 57, IMO, and adjusting the mic has too much mid range fall off, and it gets too dark too fast. That said, doing a fredman technique with a 57 or on a V30 and a 421 or 58 off axis on the T75, the two complement each other nicely, filling out. Also, if you record it with a ribbon or an e906 or e609, it sounds fine by itself if you adjust the amp's EQ. So, in all fairness, you made the right choice, microphone wise.
Nicely done Euge.. all 3 speakers sound great. The T75 still has that bit of Fizz to the top end, but sounded great non the less. the T75 and Creamback blend sounded FAT... You could see the smile on your face when you were playing through that combo. haha
I love the video. I'm personally a fan off G-12 - T75 and because of all the reasons you have told and presented to us, it's so obvious that it sound's huge and it does not suck at all. It kick's ass!!!
This just made me realise i need to get a creamback 🤣
Makes me wanna get T75s
Marshall has always paired those with their heads because it rounds out all of that Marshall mid range and it's very easy to dial up the mid range and balance it out which is also why they would always use the vintage 30 in the jubilee cabs because the jubilee was a lot darker of an amplifier. Combined, they are great and complement each other great also a K 100 or a K 85. And the old old school marshals yes they love the greenbacks or the cream backs but I do feel like an 800 with a good cabinet with those two blended is just solid awesomeness.
T75 is the Metallica tone in RtL & MoP. I'm not sure what they used in KeA; AJFA was a frankenamp with marshall mesa and whatnot plugged together (though I'm pretty sure they were still using 75s); Black Album was Mark IIC+ through V30s. But if someone wants to replicate the Ride/Master sound, they can't do it without T75s. To me, they sound too spiky on their own, but they mix really well with Marshall Vintages.
sounds quite good G12T75 ive alvays hope it could, and very nice warmoth built.
If you like that one, check out. The G12K100. Wow.
Great Speaker! Very good at Low Volume too
I use one of these and a V30 in my 90’s 5150 2x12 combo.
Sounds brutal.
RAWK \m/.
Just from the side by side comparison. To me, the T75 has more definition in the notes and a well round bottom end. While the V30 is more open and brighter in general, Yet loses a hint of the definition in the notes. I wonder if mixing the two would be like putting a JCM800 and a dual rectifier together to get definition in the notes and a thick well round low end punch.
Yes the blend I did at the end of the video works great.
Who doesn't love a Well Rounded Bottom End? 😇😉
Good job again!,…Vintage 30’s are the best!
The T-75 is the speaker I toured with since 2007 and I can easily say it’s the most volatile speaker depending on the room. Used both Marshall and Mesa heads. The highs and lows are insane when you play a small room but the speaker disappears in a big room. Big love-hate with the T-75 but it’s still in my cab so 🤷
Also thanks for making killer vids for us on this nerdy stuff
I like this speaker but l must admit my setup is a bit different than yours. I use a Kemper and 1 or 2 4x12 cabs. I tend to like the balance of my cabs with the 75’s. I also have Mesa v 30 cabs. I kinda like the old 75’s
T75 and CB sounded even better!
a mojo BV30V vs Marshall vintage would be a great comparison
I only use this Speaker. For Funk. For Metall. He is very tight. I Love him.
I love them all, but the blends are ... more . :)
I concur with what your ears hear!
What do you think about a blend in a 2x12 with the G12-T75 and g12h-75 creambacks?
Haven't tried it but should work great since H75s are bit similar than V30s. Or at least my H75 is :-).
you think t75s get a bad rep... sheffields have it even worse haha. sheffields are pretty harsh though, really have to dial down the treble
Sounds good when you play though it, but it's not quite right for me. I prefer some cone breakup like a Greenback or an Alnico Blue. I find the T75 very sterile, more like a hi-fi speaker. Yngwie certainly made them sound good, he discusses his speaker preference in his autobiography, he doesn't want the speaker to colour the sound.
Man....mixing speaker's is the best idea...l find certain amps,weather it be a combo's or heads....shine with certain speakers....like V30s or creambacks...lve just added a creamback 75 to a 2x12 vintage 30.....so lm getting 60 watts frim the v30 and 75 watts from the creamback...this combination is solid.....
I have a Marshall MG cab. I didn't spend much on it. I play a Valvestate through them. I doesn't sound bad, but it don't like how it sounds micd up. would it be worth it to try some G12s in it or should I just be satisfied with it and move on?... In your opinion. Thanks!
Idk why alot of people judge the T75 speakers and replace them as soon as they can. To my ears the stock cabs with them rock right out of the box!
Wow. That chugging tone at 7:46 is amazing.
This did not turn out how I thought it would.
In many amp sim plugins I use, the G12-T75 is usually very bright and seems better for lead guitar and melodies. I often have to dial in some room or put a 57 off axis to soften the highs. In the plugins, the V30s and Greenbacks seem better for rhythm guitars because they are less harsh.
But here the results were the opposite: the G12-T75 was scooped and the V30 was a bit harsh.
I wish I could experiment with cabinets more in person but they are expensive and heavy. There are also so many variables: how the cabinets are built, when the speakers were made, and how they are wired in the cabinet.
I do know 20 years ago when I was young I liked a big scooped Mesa sound. I did not like the Marshall DSL/TSL 2000s when they came out because I thought Marshalls in general lacked gain and distortion.
But now in my 40s I now prefer a boosted Marshall sound with a slight scoop like what you have here. I grew up listening to a boosted JCM800/900 sound in the 80s and now I have returned to that amp instead of chasing 5150s and Bogners, Engls, Diezels, and other high gain boutique amps. I should have been putting a pedal in front of a Marshall the whole time.
Listening to real cabs in a room I have heard a Marshall 1960B (not sure about the speakers--around 2010 or so) and a Mesa Triple Rectifier oversized cab. I liked the Marshall much more because it sounded much tighter in the lows than the Mesa cab.
Thanks as always for your knowledge you share with us, Euge. 🙏
Cabinet construction only matters at the room. Through a microphone the only variable is the speakers tolerance that may make different speakers sound different even if they are the same model
@@ClaimedEagle Thanks. I thought the baffle construction inside the cab made a difference. I thought other than build quality (some cabs are more durable than others), the wood of the cab as well as its dimensions and weight made a difference. And most of us also know open back vs. closed back can mean a great difference in sound. I thought the mics would pick up all of these details.
Also, because I am ignorant as far as matching cabs and speakers up to power amps in terms of impedance and wattage (especially with solid state power amps/modelers replacing tubes), I was never really comfortable mixing speaker types/wattages for fear of damaging something. I've also seen some debate about series vs. parallel wiring in the 4x12 cabinet changing the tone.
I can see how mixing different speakers would make for a better overall tone though by balancing out frequencies.
I have a 4x12 Carvin MTS3200 amp and cabinet, 400 watt cab, 100 watt head, circa 2000, which I'm guessing is a clone of Marshall's 1960 cab with some kind of Carvin made British voiced 100 watt speakers. The head sounds like it is going for JCM900 territory. I also have a Randall Cyclone head and Warhead 2x15" cab which is crazy rugged but massively heavy. The Randall just does solid state mid scooped high gain stuff--the only thing Randalls seem to do. Having a parametric mid and graphic EQ on that head is nice though.
I browsed Marshall's page looking at their new cab offerings because I was considering a guitar cab vs. FRFS speakers for a modeling preamp like an Axe FX, Kemper, and Seymour Duncan Power Stage.
Most of the current Marshall cabs on offer seem to be much lower wattages than cabs from the 80s-00s, although I realize we are now getting away from 100+ watt tube amps. My Randall Cyclone actually does 300 watts so finding cabs that can handle amps like that or higher wattage power amps seems to be a challenge.
I'm aware that doubling wattage only makes about 3 db volume difference, but I would rather have higher wattage speakers so the power amp can be turned up safely.
Thanks.
@@ClaimedEagle I would also think cab construction only mattering in the room would mean impulse response differences from cab to cab would be meaningless. If a mic only picks up speaker tolerance as a variable, then IR capture wouldn't pick up all the nuances of each cabinet/speaker/mic/space combination.
That said all an impulse response is really is an EQ curve at a late stage in the signal chain. We just get that curve through cabs/speakers/mics/rooms.
I like speakers with a higher wattage. I feel like they get better sounds.
With all my love and respect this tone is over saturated (for me). I can tell some difference in the mids more than anything. Anyway my fave are V30s maybe V30s - Greens X pattern. I have a dry signal out of 77 jmp though. For me that's when you can hear an "open" sound and of course it's not easy to play. Nonetheless it's another interesting video from you, keep it up mate. 💪
sounds GREAT
I've got 9 1960 cabs at work with G12t-75 speakers.. if you use a 57 on them they sound like an vacuum cleaner on high gain sounds it's better with a JCM but with my Recto it's pure vacuum cleaner. This did absolutely not change my mind either 🤣
The G12-T75 doesn't suck, that's for sure. 👍 (21:06 The moment of truth. The T75 & Creamback are two good friends. :))
Thanks for proving what I've known for a long time. T75 is ehh, V30 is harsh in the top end, Creamback is ONE of THE Marshall speakers for me.
I have a 212 with Chinese t75s from early 2000s and have had such a doozy getting them to sound not harsh. Maybe I just have bad luck haha.
After hearing the first playback @7:54, the T-75s are much brighter sounding and fuller. The V30s sound flat, like they’re missing the presence frequencies around 2.5 kHz. I verified this with a spectrum analyzer. On the recording, the T-75s were more pleasant sounding and would probably cut through a mix better because of the presence bump. The V30s sound dull in comparison. That’s my opinion. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
The chugs overpower the chords with the T-75. The Vintage and creamback are much more balanced.
they are not that easy to put in a mix in comparision to scratchy v30s but they dont suck and blending makes sense in this case for my taste ... fits better than g25 and v30 together imho
And what about gh 65 ?
Wish i could have bought your esp Phœnix... do you still have the ltd burl poplar sentient pegasus ?
The only Celestions i like are G12M-70's.
I have a mid 80's Randall cab that's loaded with them.
Death metal weapons through a BlueVoodoo.
Evh used the T75''s in 4x12 Marshall cab for the F.u.c.k record with a SLO head. As for Zakk I thought he was a all EV guy?
Me too.
Yes. I asked him about this in 2005 or so and if I remember correct he said that he started to use EVs in late 90s or so.
Hi! I have a Line 6 Spider II 212 which has two Celestion C12P-80 (I see they are also called Seventy-80s) and I'm considering making a cabinet with them. Do you think it would be worth it? For a moment I thought they were the same featured in this video but no, it's a different model number.
I wonder what a 75 and a greenback would sound like? I have a cab each loaded with those respectively...might have to try that. I also love my 75 loaded marshall cab in the room at practice but have always hated it micd up live. There's like this weird jangly frequency in the background of everything that's just always there.
Haha one Hour ago I bought a 1987 4x12 silver jubelee with those speakers. I am interested how I like the speakers after a few Gigs
Ivan fundamental those those to be more very scooped bass heavy
Bruh! My T75s sound more more Crispy than yours but I could hear that Depth thing, I might get a couple V30s and run them in an X pattern with a couple of my T75s in my 1960A Lead Cab. A question please, I was thinking about getting a "Friedman Mic No Mo Passive Cabinet Simulator" so I wouldn't have to Mike Up anymore, have you ever used one or something similar, if so what were your thoughts on it?
T75s highly specialized in my opinion
The one you really want is a 1985 G12T-75 UK white label.
Vintage for me !!
That is right my dude. Just gotta mic right. HUGE in the room..
The same cannot be said about the 70/80.
FUCKING THANK YOU! Euge, i have two Marshall G12 Vintage speakers in a 412 and need two speakers to pair with it. I was curious how G12T-75 would work. Thanks again!
With this speaker: The older, the better.
The internet says G12 T75 suck. Therefore, G12 T75 must be awesome. I personally prefer these speakers over V30s
Kuulostaa hyvältä! 😎 T75 on alapäätä ja kuulosti vähän scoopatulta.
is this the old made in england version or the new chines one
No idea where it was made but somewhere around late 90s / early 2000s. I guess 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V this is the uk one
@@EugeValovirta230V im more a greenback fan the g12t75 has to much midscoop . i knew the g12t75 was used on lot of death and black metal albums in the 90s
@@dominikpohli2381 It's an old unit made in China. The sticker has straight corners, that's a giveaway it's made in China. Made in England stickers have round corners. Later on you can also spot the code «50» on made in China units.
12JN is the date code = 12 J=September N=2003, that's after Celestion was acquired by Gold Peak and the production of most speakers was moved to China, together with the original machinery. At least down to 2009 some great-sounding speakers were made, I have several units from the period. Afterwards (at least from 2013, I don't have any units from the 2009-2013 period) it's when there was some production spec shift and some speakers from the Classic Series started sounding somehow harsher on the top end.
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T75 412, SM57 right up on the cone, loud as fuck amp. Done and done.