The Argument Cessationists Cannot Defend | Responding to Cessationist Movie
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Cessationism is sin, it's unbelief, it's heresy, it's error, it's confusion!
It isn't a sin if they genuinely interpret the scriptures this way .
@@ianmccormick675 That's true.. but it's almost impossible to conclude these people are sincere. Sincerity comes with an attitude of humility that accepts one may be wrong. That is almost absent among cessationists. They are the first to pontificate and accuse everyone else of heresy when they clearly haven't done their homework well or are simply refusing to open their eyes to see the truth.
@@ianmccormick675It is SIN- the unpardonable sin. Because they allude the work of the spirit to be that of beelzebub.
@@IamGodSon Some practices of the charismatic believers are questionable.
@@formsab257 I hear you, but I've watched a few of Daniel's videos and he isn't exactly acting with humility either
It's crazy this is even under debate, Scripture is clear about these things.
If it was clear , there wouldn't be these debates or disagreements .
@@ianmccormick675It’s clear to everyone that God created the world (Roman’s 1:18-21) and yet people deny it. Not because it’s unclear that He created it, but because people don’t want certain things to be true. They want to suppress the truth because they don’t want to believe in miracles being for today. It’s not because scripture is unclear, the Bible is very clear that healing is for today, tongues is for today, casting out demons is for today. It’s just that people don’t want to believe it.
@@timbro88 I think your stretching Romans 1 , and taking it out context
@@ianmccormick675 I provided plenty of context, how am I stretching it?
2 Timothy 3:5
having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
This could ( and should imo) be interpreted as people who “have an appearance of godliness” but still have a heart driven and ruled by sin.
And the same goes for Prophets 🙂Anyone can wake up today and recognise a calling of the Lord on their life to become an Apostle. You can recognise it as a particular office that the Lord calls People to. But whether others will recognise it will depend on what that person does and what the Lord tells them. Are they clearly displaying that they are called by Jesus? Are their actions consistent with true discipleship (by their fruits you will know them). Ministries in the Lord are given by the Lord regardless of whether they are recognised initially by any institutional church. Any claim of office needs to be tested in the Lord.
Absolutely! To everything you said. There’s so much fear over issues like that and men just throw out scripture in fear of men playing God while missing that they are playing God.
I listen to a pastor from the south who’s connected to a big name Christian family saying he’d be scared of having the gift of healing because he might become prideful. 🤦🏻♂️ Do you love God and people? It’s God’s gift. It’s for His glory. It’s to show who’s approved of God. Why? So men will see where the true Jesus Christ is. And He may be with you but you reject faith for a gift that could open men’s hearts because you’re selfish? 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏽🤦🏼♀️🤦🏻♂️ Do not fear and a pastor says “I’d be scared of becoming prideful.” Quit being a pastor then. You might become prideful. “Weeell, I feel safe going that far up the mountain.”😧
Until the unity of the faith.. what a day that will be!
Paul's presence and position in scripture (most of the New Testament is attributed to him) really ought to be serious a problem for cessationists who make the argument presented at the beginning of the video. The fact that he wasn't one of "the twelve" but was affirmed time and again in the scriptures as "an apostle of Christ" is proof positive that there is some agenda other than the establishment of biblically sound doctrine at play in the cessationist argument. Personally, I believe that the doctrine cessationism exists explicitly as a device intended to kill faith rather than promote or cultivate it; to manipulate and control the body rather than empower it.
I think the same thing all the time
Cessationist overlook the biggest of details? I'm shocked. 😂
Amen I 💯% Agree!!!
Very true apostles still exist
Agreed! I have yet to meet a Charismatic that says the "Canon is not closed"!
I would cross reference Pastor Daniel's podcast on "Are There Apostles in the Church Today" podcast! It systematically and Scripturally presents Truth for the edification of The Body on The Five Fold Ministry!!!
Again Well Done Brother🙏🏼🙌🏼🔥
The Lamb of God Blessing The Nation of Uganda.
Amen, Daniel! Revelation 21:14 refers to _"the twelve apostles of the Lamb,"_ but the Bible names the several other apostles whom you named in the video. *Obviously* there are two categories of apostles.
Thank you for believing Christ Jesus our Lord, and speaking truth✝️🕊️Where are these people coming up with these teachings?? God help them🙏🏻 Everyone should read Revelation
22:18-19😢
Yes, what alot of people seem to forget that Paul was NOT part of the original 12.
He was and Ephesians 4 apostle or apostle AFTER Jesus ascended.
He also was not given that title or function to after he was comissioned at Antioch along with Barnabus. Silas, Timothy and Titus also were Ephesians 4 apostles like Paul and Barnabus😊
Not sure about that, THE apostles were all personally taught by Christ, which Paul was also. Accrding to that criteria he was absolutely part of THE apostles.
@@AnniEast Jesus spoke to Paul in Damascus. He was not considered an apostle till he was sent out from Antioch. It's all in the book of Acts. Matthias replaced Judas in the 12 circle, not Paul
@@codyclark5995 paul spent 3 and a half years with the Lord being taught by Him personally before he actively started his ministry. Interestingly it was the same amount of time the others were taught by Jesus. Paul calls himself an apostle of the Gentiles and he magnifies his office. He was an apostle the same way Peter was. Why would someone deny that?
@@AnniEast book, chapter and verse?
@@codyclark5995 galatians 1:11-2:10
You could argue how he was taught, whether it was by Jesus personally, or through study and further revelation by the Spirit, but it is clear he spent 3 years just devoting time to learning before going to see anyone and actively starting his ministry.
Brilliant mate
I totally agree !
The cessacionist has what you called a strong hold that's need to be dealt with (2Corinthians 10) , strongholds of wrong belief of poverty and sickness,they must renew their minds to God's Will (WORD).Romans 12:2
I hold a view somewhere in the middle of hard continuists and hard cessasionist, and I would argue that the hard continuists also have some strongholds that need to be dealt with. Not all to sure, though, how helpful these types of comments are.
And those gifts were given to men and women!!! Again the cannon was written 300 years after Christ ascended.
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Hi bro did not know you watch him to.
@@thechannelofrandomness6814 sure do. Just discovered him
@@CharismaticCheetah he has some good content how he defends the gifts are on point.
1:42 "But when it comes to Ephesians 4, God is talking about apostles and prophets in a very different way.."
Why does he have to be talking about them "in a very different way"? When Paul penned these words the apostles were still with us. In Mark 16 Christ gives his apostles directions for the future. Verse 20 says “And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
If God is confirms the words of his apostles with miraculous signs today, where are those signs??.
THIS is why we have a teaching called cessationism. Either the confirmational sign gifts have ceased, or apostles have ceased. Which is it?
This should answer all your questions: czcams.com/video/XOrssO8QEzw/video.htmlsi=oRUhs1e0Vga62rED
So, do these alleged apostles, who do not fit the criteria of Acts 1:21-22, speak new revelations of the Spirit as additional, infallible words of God?
No
@@DanielKolenda Thank you. When, then, is their role or purpose in today's church?
cessationism is from satan, it limits Gods power and understanding of who God is. Anyone who follows such teaching do not know God, most will not be in heaven. The canon is closed because man said so, and man created it. Man made the canon, not Jesus, not Paul, hundreds of years after their deaths. We don't even agree on what books should be in the canon, Catholics have a few more.
Great point! Not even Satan is a Cessationist but he wants Christians to believe in this lie
I think you go too far when you say anyone who follows such teaching does not know God and most will not be in heaven. That's the kind of rhetoric they use against us. I believe they are our brothers and sisters in Christ; they just don't know what they're missing. I do think they'll have to answer to God for not believing and for hindering the faith of others.
We are saved based on faith in Jesus and His works on the cross. You dont get to set the criteria for who gets to be in heaven. I'm not reformed nor cessasionist, but I would say there are many suspect beliefs and practices in the charismatic movement that are not biblical. We call that deception and we dont disqualify anyone on the basis of deception on secondary issues. If we are disqualified based on a deception, then no one will be going to heaven as there is not one of us who has it all perfectly figured out. That is why we need grace, and that is why God gives us grace.
It is pride that would lead someone to qualify themselves saved and other not saved based on some arbitrary standard...that is sinful and you should repent!
Please put your stones down and hear me out! Cessationism will become the reality in the tribulation. Jesus made a promise to his Church. Matthew 16:18 *"...upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall NOT prevail against it."*
In the tribulation the gates of hell will be opened wide. Those who become Christians during the tribulation are not given the promise that Jesus gave to the Church. Revelation 13:7 *"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to ...OVERCOME... them:..."*
Interesting perspective. Thank you for sharing this.
I'm not sure I understand your point.
@@thatMimosaGrove Have you been born again?
@@awaitingthetrumpetcall4529 Yes!
@@thatMimosaGrove What's unclear?
Where do I find the qualifications for a modern day apostle in the Bible?
What exactly are you asking? Your question is worded like you are asking for a 2,000 yr old book to give a modern take on a specific subject. I’m sure that’s not it, but to clarify, are you asking what the qualifications are for an Apostle? They would be the same now as back then.
@@jasonlewis5350 I’m confused. Do you get your doctrine from the Bible? The qualifications are in the book of Acts. They require you to be alive at the same time as Christ. As hard as it is to believe that 2,000 year old book even has requirements in the book of Titus on who to choose elders. Bible believing churches actually follow them.
@@johnlol24 You just reiterated what I stated.
@@jasonlewis5350 I’m not sure what you’re missing here. The Bible gives us examples on the qualifications on elders, teachers, etc. It doesn’t give us qualifications on how anyone in this day and age can be an Apostle. In fact the qualifications clearly point out that you can’t. You’re referring to Gods word as a “2,000 year old book” so I don’t know if you’re a Christian or heathen.
@@johnlol24 The statement, if read in context, answers all your questions. You just need to read it slowly if you don’t understand. I’m sure you don’t because you just agreed with my statement.
Acts 1 gives the requirements for an Apostle , does the Bible say those requirements changed? Does anyone in the last 1900 years meet the same criteria ? If they don't can they rightly claim to be Apostles ??
So tell me what Acts 1 says about the requirements of an Apostle.
@@DanielKolenda it starts with those who were with them from the time of John the Baptist's Ministry (verse 22) till the time of Jesus's Ascension and a witness of His resurrection. They then proposed 2 Joseph called Barsabas and Matthias
Seems these men met those requirements
How about Paul and the other gentile apostles?
Just like the men from the video you're mistaking the 12 apostles of Christ for the office of an apostle in the body@@gileneo
@marvelousbenjamin3668 Paul saw the Risen Christ on the way to Damascus , Paul was directly commissioned by Jesus, this was conformed by the other Apostles who gave him the right hand of fellowship
This notion that Apostles are for today started with the heretical latter rain Movement and the Trinity denying heretic William Branham
@@gileneo Please show me how Paul met the “requirements for apostles” in Acts 1. He never met the earthly Jesus. He wasn’t with Jesus at the end of ministry, let alone at the beginning. By the standards of Acts 1, Paul cannot be an apostle. You cannot appeal to Acts 1 as the requirements for all apostles and then make up ad hoc reasons why Paul can be an apostle when he fails to meet the requirements in Acts 1. I hope that you are reasonable and honest enough to admit that this line of thinking is irrational and inconsistent and cannot hold up to scrutiny. The reason that Paul does not (and cannot) meet the requirements in Acts 1 is because these were not requirements for anyone who would be an apostle. They were the requirements for the one who would replace Judas as one of The Twelve Apostles. Paul was not one of The Twelve, and yet he was an apostle.
This makes no sense. There are more apostles identified in the Bible than the original Twelve because the Bible identifies other apostles. But what is the means of identifying apostles today? It cannot be the Bible because the canon is closed. To declare yourself an apostle today is to speak with the authority of Scripture, which is blasphemy.
Back up your claim with Scripture that “to declare yourself an apostle today is to speak with the authority of Scripture.” I think this is where you’re making the mistake.
You lost me on the last statement. If someone is called to be an Apostle, how would they not have to meet scriptural qualifications? The statement seems that you’re saying that the qualifications ended so no one can claim to be an Apostle. If that’s true, then no one could become a disciple either.
My point is that if God never changes, His Word is True and Jesus lives on, then why can’t a living God make disciples, Apostles, prophets or any other designated person who is qualified both Biblically and by the calling of the one true living God?
@@DanielKolenda My claim based on simple logic. We know that Paul was an apostle because he is identified as such in the Bible. On what basis does someone call himself an apostle today? On what authority? Certainly not the Bible because as you yourself recognize, the Canon is closed.. Greg Locke, who is not even qualified to be a pastor, has recently started calling himself an apostle. Do you believe he has any legitimate claim to that title?
@@jasonlewis5350 The Biblical requirement for being an apostle is to be identified as an apostle in the Bible. No one calling themselves an apostle today can meet this requirement because, as Mr. Kolenda himself recognizes, the Canon is closed.
@@markkozlowski3674 No Apostle - neither the 12 nor Paul nor Timothy nor any other named in scripture has ever claimed apostleship by the authority of scripture. Not a single solitary one. Because the New Testament had not been written when they were operating in the authority of their office. What the Bible states, clearly, is that the test of the apostle is, "signs, wonders, and miracles," [2 Corinthians 12:12]. It was, in other words, by the authority and demonstrable power of the Holy Spirit that their apostleship was affirmed. Your logic is in error.