Ellen Degeneres Vs. John McCain: Gay Marriage
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- John McCain, opposed to gay marriage, gets questioned by Ellen Degeneres. There are a few moments where his face looks truly pissed. Aired on May 22, 2008. DISCLAIMER: I do not own this video and my purpose in uploading it is to promote The Ellen Degeneres Show. Free promotion and publicity is a good thing!
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At least McCain is respectful in his demeanour. A lot of politicians could learn from him.
Edit: Well I wrote this a long time ago, and I'm still getting comments on it. My view today (2021) is that McCain was still very respectful in this interview, particularly in comparison to some current conservative politicians, or people with this point of view.
However, in light of some responding comments, I agree that it is hard to reason that you still respect gay people when you disagree with gay marriage. That inherently means that you don't see gay couples as the same, or deserving of the same treatment, as straight couples. I am now fully out as gay, which I wasn't four years ago when I wrote this original comment, and gay marriage only became legal in my country two years ago. I think we still have a long way to go, but I'm happy we have made progress in the four years since I wrote this comment.
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There is nothing respectful about beïng against gay marriage, no matter which way you put it. It's irrational to be against it.
While I am pro gay marriage, I respectfully have to disagree. I believe everyone has the right to voice their opinion, wether or not it's irrational and offensive. I have very little respect for John McCain but with the current US President and many other new politician's I can't help but feel like he wasn't so bad after all.
Republican logic 101: as long as you act nice and follow decorum, you are moral and Godly - even though you are the biggest war mongerer in the senate.
So if you don't agree with gay marriage you're disrespectful? Everyone has a right to disagree as long as they are not push there beliefs on others. There is nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree.
Gay, lesbian, homosexual, heterosexual - if you get right down to it, we're all the same: we were born from a lucky sperm and one egg. WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIENDS?!
I'm not saying we can't be friends. I'm saying that marriage should be between a man and a woman because it's just right. Men and women were made to be together. I have absolutely no hate for homosexuals, but gay marriage just isn't right. And that's the opinion of me and many others.
adventurernumber1 I respect that but disagree. I'm not looking for an argument. Everyone can have their own opinions!
adventurernumber1 A lot of people feel the same way about interracial marriage, as well as many other things that were once looked at as out of the norm. It is a nice thing that cultures can change and learn to accept other people's differences. In fact, it is something our country has thrived on over the years.
It will be nice when this is just another thing that people look back on and say "wow, that was illegal? how silly!" and have better things to worry about. After all, this doesn't affect anyone in their personal lives except the gay folks who want to settle down together.
Read some of the moronic comments posted, do you really think you'ed want to be friends with any of these low functioning droolers?
NothingButTrouble Yes, but you're implying that we can't be friends and that's dishonest overkill to make a point.
People will continue to disagree on this subject for decades.
A more appropriate question would be - Can you respectfully accept the other side's viewpoint (without trying to subversively convert them to your way of thinking)?
I respect McCain for going on Ellen especially on this topic, he was one of few Republicans to gain my admiration and respect!
Loved the part when he said some people should not be able to get married ❣️ So wholesome
@@GimbalosMorkinar I'm gay and a full on supporter for equal rights for all. I share Ellen's viewpoint completely.
But at the same time, I can respect John McCain for going on Ellen in 2009 (which was a completely different time for marriage equality) to discuss his views on the matter.
And the fact that though he doesn't want to call it a marriage license he does support equal rights for lgbtq couples under the law (you should look up the documentary 'bridegroom' and you'll understand that the actual rights are far more important than that what we'll call it).
So his point of view, as a republican in 2009, was better then expected.
A lot better then expected.
And while I would dissagree with McCain on almost all matters, policy wise, that doesn't prohibit me from respecting the man. He was a decent, good man and he earned my respect!
@@MrMickey1987 "This one KKK member wasn't as bad as the other ones"
He was still part of the GQP even though he wasn't as bad as the other member.
@@GimbalosMorkinar yeah, you lost me with kkk. McCain wasn't anything like that 😒
@@MrMickey1987 No but the republican party is basically the racist south. You understand why being a good guy in a racist party is troublesome. Either it doesn't bother him or he supports it.
John McCain is being very civil and respectful, even though he disagrees !!
+Anonymous
well to be fair you biologically can't procreate when your gay. But I still support gays having the right absolutely.
Umm he was literally rolling his eyes at her.
That's like saying "I don't hate black people, I just disagree"
@@thethiccboi9826 Silly comparison. Black is just who you are. I cannot change the fact I am black. I can bleach but I still remain black.
@@erinzuniga512 Being black is visible. Being gay isn't though. Unless obviously you kiss a person with the same gender.
Whoa... it's like he... respects her opinion. You all should learn to do the same too.
I support gay marriage as I am a part of the LGBT community, but this man doesn't deserve the hate he's getting in the comments. He spoke respectfully and didn't bash gay people. He was stating his opinion, and that's okay. Some people agree with him, others don't. We should just try to respect other people's opinions about things.
Glad to know he at least evolved on that issue before he passed away. Was many of the reasons I didn't vote for him in 2008, but deep down, the guy was a great person.
If there was more basic respect there would be more communication and more communication means PEACE
Fuck off bitch
Dildon.t John McCain was an awful politician for reasons beyond just this
His opinion tangibly affected people's lives personally and monetarily. You are what you believe.
"and i think we have a respectful disagreement on that issue" -john mccain. this is something wed never hear trump say, he would probably try to mock or insult someone instead of having a fair debate. john mccain also defended obama when some lady called obama a muslim. he said no, and that obamas a "decent family man who has disagreements with me". i dont agree with some of johns views, but hes a class act and hes professional and is a honest and fair guy. unfortunetely sarah palin ruined his chance to become president.
Ian Mccown sure he is professional, but still he doesn't support gay marriage
+Hannah Marie - Why should he support same-sex marriage?
im comparing how much better he is than trump. i support same sex marraige, i know john doesnt, but id still vote mccain if he ran. Hes actually a decent guy who i disagree with onnsome things.
+Hannah Marie - R President + R Senate + R Representatives = Good-bye Same-Sex Marriage.
+Larry Rutger - Okay, but for those who think same-sex marriage is a done deal, they dream unrealistically and ignore reality. Even more so if they think it cannot be reversed. Three-fourths votes by state legislators can amendment the Constitution that would reverse the SCOTUS ruling. That is how Prohibition was repealed in 1933. Also, the SCOTUS can overrule itself. It happened in 2003 when Congress passed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, in response to the court in Stenberg v. Carhart ruling that the partial-birth abortion ban in Nebraska had been ruled unconstitutional. In 2007, the SCOTUS reversed itself in Gonzales v, Carhart to uphold Congress’s Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. A scenario of what could happen with same-sex marriage is Congress pass a law banning it, which, of course, would be unconstitutional and challenged in the courts. Eventually it would reach the higher court, which would then revisit arguments against same-sex marriage and depending on the Justices, reach a different ruling than the past one. Remember, the President, along with the majority of the Senate, the House of Representatives, State Governors, and State Legislators, are Republicans, not to mention the Justices they will be replacing.
Even if John McCain at the time disagreed, I don't mind. In the end, in order to be happy, in order for people to live a "perfect" life, in order to get along, *NO MATTER WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN* you gotta make balance. Yah he doesn't agree, but at least he has the decency to sit for an interview. At least he can eloquently express how he feels. At least he is not shouting, screaming, cursing or shoving what he believes is the truth and right. Props up to the two of them. This is how to live the greatest life. I love this interview. When you mutually agree (make a balance) life is perfect, and this, ultimately, is how we can live perfectly.
well said.
you heard of his guy named “Phil Defranco”?
All you shitstains care about is etiquette
G 6 A Gentleman 😚
A fucking murderous warhawk
the "you can sit there, but you can't sit over there" is the best analogy I've heard yet.
“A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward.”
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
+Channel no longer active. A Libral is a man with two perfectly good legs, who always walks forward even if it's off a cliff
+de Castro Reviews When has a downfall ever ocurred due to liberalism or libertarianism?
@111092731414871330 Looks like religion is not moral after all. With perverted imaginations like those, who the hell wants to follow it? Only sadists.
+de Castro Reviews You sound paranoid and childish. Were your feelings triggered? Lmao
To waste time into making sock puppet accounts... It's obvious who has the lower standards.
"The real haters are LGBT supporters." - Yeah! How incredibly RUDE of them to NOT want to be designated to 2nd class citizenship. Shame on same sex couples for NOT accepting their place (at the back of the bus). Paying the same taxes, following the same laws, why should people expect to be treated EQUALLY under the law, enjoying the same benefits as YOU do. What's the world coming to when honest, God fearing BIGOTS can't express their superiority by discriminating against the LGBT community? - I feel your pain (NOT!).
Sir Walter Really says the bearded lady
Sir Walter Really none of those fit me
atheistsrnumber1
Neither does that bra, Caitlyn
Robert Pickledick
Your wife is Caitlyn? Considering "she"'s a man, I'm not at all surprised, Litznut.
You said your wife is Caitlyn, Litz.
Having yet another mental meltdown? Take a med, AIDS must be a bitch. Robert Pickledick
The only reason that John McCain was on Ellen was the FCC "Equal Time" rule which meant they had to have candidates from both parties back in 2008.
To all those who find this video, you can ignore the comments section. Its basically 1 troll using many troll accounts to tell the same disproven lies & talk to itself. This video is its entire life which is just sad. It also makes fake troll accounts to attack people better than it is (which is pretty much anyone)
Ellen really hit the nail on the head when she mentioned "you can sit here but you can't sit there"
Civil unions are like the "separate but equal" laws, but only for a different minority. Why can't we all just live together in harmony?
John McCain is such a nice, respectful man. He answers everything in a respectful manner no matter what his views on it are. The Donald could learn some things from this man.
John McCain avoided answering the question. Donald Trump should learn nothing from this bigot.
how did he avoid the question? he answered and said he did not support it? Senator McCain is a very respectable man, definitely not a bigot. Donald Trump should learn everything from this man.
+JakeStuckAtHome - R President + R Senate + R Representatives = Good-bye Same-Sex Marriage.
Jerry Krause that would be a long long process, If Trump wanted to overturn a Supreme Court decision, it would be a long and involved process. But it can be done in two ways: One, states themselves can amend the Constitution, which requires approval by three-fourths of all state legislators. In fact, this is how Prohibition was repealed in 1933.
The other is that the Supreme Court can overrule itself. In the case of marriage equality, for example, this can only happen if the court finds itself revisiting same-sex marriage due to a new conflict that pertains to the decision. This type of action by The Supreme Court is very uncommon but possible.
McCain no doubt has "evolved" on this issue since that interview. sadly he kissed Jesus Freak ass a little too long to be considered on the right side of history. You can either appease assholes or oppose them. He switched sides too late.
“So you’ll walk me down the aisle?” 😂
I love how she made it less awkward towards the end
BREAKING NEWS: The Hawaii State Senate has just approved the state's marriage equality bill 19-4 and the governor will sign the bill into law in the next few days. That's ANOTHER state that has ended its unjust discriminatory civil marriage laws and achieved equal civil marriage rights for same sex couples. Sixteen states as well as Washington D.C. now allow same sex couples to legally marry, and there are several more states with legislation and court cases pending to do the same.
It's McCains right to follow his religious views. I don't get why he is getting so much flack, he is respectfully disagreeing like the gentlemen and war hero he is.
+Thomas Herdman - Exactly, you got that right. Thank you for sharing that.
Tom Herdman Agreed 👍
I may have missed the flack (seriously, I didn’t read all the comments). What I saw was Ellen showing him great respect, and the comments I’ve read haven’t been making him out to be a villain.
shut up marcel... u comment shit
Tom Herdman “war hero”, I laughed out loud at that. Somebody seems to have forgotten about the POW camps
He looked uncomfortable, but was very respectful in tone and articulateness.
I wish she would have asked one question: Why? Why do you think it should only be between a man and a woman?
Riiiight. Because CLEARLY traditional families are best. The divorce rate ISN'T extremely high among the straight community. Your logic is incredibly flawed.
And homosexuality is NOT the same as a child molester. It's appalling that you would suggest it. A homosexual relationship is between two consenting ADULTS.
You clearly have no brain, otherwise you might use logic to combat old stereotypes and the like.
Allie Towe Please excuse wally, see he was molested as a child and takes his unresolved issues out here. He's a sick, sad little troll.
M akis If that were true then why are infertile people allowed to marry? Marriage is really just a legal contract between two people used for tax reasons. This is the reason I don't really believe in it for myself. But still, marriage isn't about having children in this day and age. People get married and don't have children, people who can't have children get married, women who are post-menopausal get married. Clearly, it isn't merely about procreation.
Like I said, I don't particularly want to sign any papers to justify my love for someone, but it should be a choice for everyone. Everyone should be able to do it, heterosexual or homosexual. It is one of our basic rights as Americans.
M akis People know, going into marriage, that they don't want children or can't have children. Yet they still get married.
Marriage is purely a social/legal contract for tax reasons. That's it.
And homosexuals still have the ability to raise children together. The fact that they can't actually produce them is irrelevant in my eyes.
M akis Tradition has changed immensely. Marriage used to be arranged. It used to be between a man and multiple women. It used to be between family members.
Tradition changes with the times and right now, marriage is about a union between two people.
RIP John McCain
I hope he rots in hell
You know what i'm gay but i respect that McCain was able to tell her *TO HER FACE*, calmly, his actual opinion on gay marriage. Also, the majority should NEVER be able to vote on the rights of the minority.
Totally. And the minority should never vote on the rights of the majority. In fact, let's round up everyone, force them to register every opinion, belief, or connection they have, tally up, and divide them into minority/majority on every single issue. Then we'll say you can only vote on those things if you're a part of the camp that supports them. That'll solve EVERYTHING.
Imagine 3 workers deciding who does what work
Worker 1 suggests they all do the same
Worker 2 suggests worker 1 does ALL the work
Worker 3, not wanting to work, agrees with worker 2
This proves it doesn't always work. The minority should always get a say
Then the boss comes in and says get to work
In 2008 Obama and Hillary were both against gay marriage. This isnt the dunk many people think it is. Also the politicians job is to represent the views of the voters, not his own.
Dear Bible-Thumpers and religious folks, the bible also says not to eat oysters and pork, not to cut your hair. It also is a sin to get a divorce, but we're all still for divorce, aren't we? It used to be against the bible to use anesthetic because the pain of child birth was punishment to the woman for being a woman. And that's just plain wrong. If you're going to follow the bible, follow all of it. You can not pick and choose. Either follow it completely or not at all. If you are going to condemn homosexuals because it is against a bible, read the damn thing. Just about anything and everything is a sin. If you are going to condemn homosexuals for "sinning" then you might as well condemn yourself for getting a hair cut.
***** Being gay is normal. You are not. We are humans. You are just a screaming troll.
Johnny Chester Sooo...instead of actually trying to understand science, you just want to yell "God did it!" lol okay. But people that believe in evolution are morons...so you actually don't believe in any type of evolution at all?
Johnny Chester No, all you did was say something can't come out of nothing, so God made it. That's literally your argument.
Johnny Chester Lying & saying it's irrelevant wont make it so. You didnt give any information. You just gave your beliefs & delusions. That is not information.
xXnvb123Xx There are churches in midwest where i live and work, who welcome same sex couples since 2005. I have very progressive pastor in ohio who is pro science, pro marriage for all. Who is not fundmentalist like john hage. or pastors u hear and see on tv. ucc of ohio untied church of christ have welcome gay people since 2005. Because jesus love everyone!
I think its really hard for this issue to be resolved because there is such a huge percentage of people like John McCain himself i imagine who have never dealt with a gay situation. My parents are christian missionaries and pastors, i moved to south america at the age of ten and my parents work with the poorest of poor here, all in the name of God.. and I turned out to be transgender and came out to my parents a few months ago. My parents have been against gay marriage forever.. i have been myself to anti- gay marriage conferences. But i saw my mom crying the other day and she told me how this was the first time she really could not understand God, how could he curse me this way, when i have done nothing to deserve it? how could this be a blessing? who could this help? what is the right thing to do? these are questions most of these Christians or republicans or anybody who doesn't agree with gay marriage have never had to deal with first hand. They have never held their child sobbing because of the pain they feel for being gay or transgender or whatever. And how dare you speak on an issue coming from hundreds of thousands of miles away and deciding for me what I can or can not do with my situation. I do not expect those people to understand a gay situation when they have not had to deal with one, but i do expect these people to inform themselves, talk to actual gay people with an open heart, not an open mind, but an open heart and be willing to understand their pain and there right to love and be loved and for that love to be recognized.
they shouldn't have an opinion about this ... i don't get to decide whether or not straight people get married either why should i tell someone who is gay that they aren't allowed to get married?! makes no sense to me at all!
“Legal agreement” yeah he was clearly full of love in his heart
People that do not support gay marriage are often labeled as "anti-gay" or that they hate gay people. However, if a parent does not let their child watch a certain movie or TV show, why are they not labeled "anti-child"? Why are they not considered to hate their own children? I have gay friends, but I do not support gay marriage, the one thing I don't support that involves them. Yet parents and schools often legislate many things that children cannot watch, or do, or even eat. As I said before, why are they not considered "anti-child"? Just my personal view.
Great to see Gay Marriage becoming legal in many States.
Barry McCockiner It's already here.
Barry McCockiner lol..must be good weed.
Barry McCockiner "good Christian" Now there's an oxymoron if I ever saw one.
Barry McCockiner God will judge everyone rightfully, please don't make God into a judgmental and hateful God. You may be the only bible someone reads, how are you demonstrating God's love?
He hates the sin, not the sinner
There is no moral reason to be against gay marriage.
e2sguy What's your point, sir?
Honey Badger Then can homosexual sex lead to a creation of a human being? Don't you forget that sex is meant to procreate and produce other human beings so that mankind could survive. Unfortunately for you, homosexuality surely can't provide it.
Joel Kotto You forget that sex is not ONLY about reproduction. It's about pleasure too. So denying gay people homosexual intercourse isn't our call. It's the people who are gay that want to.
Melvin Bryant Morality literally has NOTHING to do with God or the Bible. The official definition of morality says nothing about God or the Bible in it. Morality is about what's right and what's wrong. So denying Gay people the right to get married is wrong. Besides, basic human rights like homosexual marriage shouldn't be an issue in the first place nor should it be up for a debate. The Constitution mentions nothing about marriage. Same thing for premarital sex. It's a human right. It's not the courts place to declare something like that unconstitutional or constitutional. Also, marriage isn't just a union between a man and a woman. That's never been established in history. So you're wrong there too. Fuck your God, fuck your Bible, and double fuck your religion. YOU guys are the only "sinners" here!
Honey Badger In case you don't know, the Bible promotes a moral ideal based on love and the faith in God. God's rules are not forced on anybody even though they're meant to help us have spiritually healthier lives so that our relationships with each other could be the best ever. Moral is a natural thing humans use to guide their own lives but what doesn't really follow the natural path is homosexuality who'll never bring humanity to a higher level (maybe extinction)... For your curse to religions, I hope you'll get God's forgiveness. At least, you got mine currently... Have a nice day then.
A good example for this two amazing persons that you can have a respectfull conversation even when you disagree...
From one end of the country to the other, the overlapping developments on a single day underscored what a historic year 2013 has been for the U.S. gay-rights movement - "the gayest year in gay history," according to Fred Sainz of the Human Rights Campaign, the movement's largest advocacy group.
Cindy McCain has stated publicly that John McCain's views on gay marriage are "evolving".....and that she believes we will see a different stance from him in the near future.
Anyone here after McCain is dead?
No. I'm here before he died o_O wtf.
John McCain is one of the few republicans I actually genuinely had respect for and he genuinely would have respectful debates with others he may disagree with may his soul Rest In Peace 🙏🏽
I have so much respect for Ellen, She does allow people to push their views on her, and she always seems to get the last word. Ellen is awesome
I TYPED IN CLOSET GAYS AND THERE'S PLENTY ON HERE. LOL
All those weird ass comments you're seeing? All by one single troll. Donate now to the wardick fund to help this person get a life. This is a serious issue.. cheers!
well no actually... like Steve Jones said I haven't posted here in a long time. I kinda hoped that by now your dog would be dead and the AIDS in your veins would have sniffed out what little life remains.
Hillary Kanoodles I guess our fundraiser worked out then, huh?
Atheist Bale. And there be Whaling and Gnashing of the teeth. Revelations.
michael berg has aids
"Respectful disagreement"
Republicans, for example, are increasingly split on how to address gay-rights issues - some want to expand their party's following, while others want to satisfy the religious conservatives who make up a key part of the GOP base. More than 40 percent of Americans remain opposed to legalizing same-sex marriage. And even some prominent gays remain uncertain whether they should make their sexual orientation known to the world at large.
Hawaii is expected to pass Gay Marriage is just a few short hours!
Hawaii will be the 16th state to pass equal marriage.
A court decision from New Mexico is expected before year end making NM the 17th state.
The bible is not the word of god. The bible was made by flawed humans and rewritten to serve their needs. It has lost its true meaning many millennia ago. God loves all of his children the same. God knows that all love is equal and in the end. Thats all i care about. I dont care for your petty phobia or your misguided hatred. Because i know your heart and mind is clouded by your conditioned and culturally ingrained hatred and fear of what you do not know. God loves all of us.
+fireice2037 it was used to keep things in order and to also explain things that were unexplainable (much like zeus and the gods)
one piece of evidence i have is the fact that Jesus’s Story is an Obvious Rehashing Of Numerous Previous Characters
Perhaps even more compelling is the story of Christ himself. As it turns out the story is not even remotely original. It is instead nothing more than a collection of bits and pieces from dozens of other stories that came long before. Here are some examples.
Asklepios healed the sick, raised the dead, and was known as the savior and redeemer.
Hercules was born of a divine father and mortal mother and was known as the savior of the world.
Dionysus was literally the “Son of God”, was born of a woman who had not had sex with a man, and was depicted riding a donkey. He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles, and was killed and resurrected, after which time he became immortal.
Osiris did the same things. He was born of a virgin, was considered the first true king of the people, and when he died he rose from the grave and went to heaven.
Osiris’s son, Horus, was known as the “light of the world”, “The good shepherd”, and “the lamb”. He was also referred to as, “The way, the truth, and the life.” His symbol was a cross-like symbol.
Mithra‘s birthday was celebrated on the 25th of December, his birth was witnessed by local shepherds who brought him gifts, had 12 disciples, and when he was done on earth he had a final meal before going up to heaven. On judgment day he’ll return to pass judgment on the living and the dead. The good will go to heaven, and the evil will die in a giant fire. His holiday is on Sunday (he’s the Sun God). His followers called themselves “brothers”, and their leaders “fathers”. They had baptism and a meal ritual where symbolic flesh and blood were eaten. Heaven was in the sky, and hell was below with demons and sinners.
Krishna had a miraculous conception that wise men were able to come to because they were guided by a star. After he was born an area ruler tried to have him found and killed. His parents were warned by a divine messenger, however, and they escaped and was met by shepherds. The boy grew up to be the mediator between God and man.
Buddha‘s mother was told by an angel that she’d give birth to a holy child destined to be a savior. As a child he teaches the priests in his temple about religion while his parents look for him. He starts his religious career at roughly 30 years of age and is said to have spoken to 12 disciples on his deathbed. One of the disciples is his favorite, and another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around speaking in parables and metaphors. He called himself “the son of man” and was referred to as, “prophet”, “master”, and “Lord”. He healed the sick, cured the blind and deaf, and he walked on water. One of his disciples tried to walk on water as well but sunk because his faith wasn’t strong enough.
Apollonius of Tyana (a contemporary of Jesus) performed countless miracles (healing sick and crippled, restored sight, casted out demons, etc.) His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. He knew scripture really well as a child. He was crucified, rose from the dead and appeared to his disciples to prove his power before going to heaven to sit at the right hand of the father. He was known as, “The Son of God”,
so far we only have 2 possible options :
God created all these stories and characters thousands of years before the Bible in order to trick people, and then created new stories and characters that were almost exactly the same. But the version that went into the Bible-even with all the contradictions and immoral teachings-is the actual word of God. …OR…
The Bible was created during a time where stories were orally passed down over thousands of years. Stories constantly morphed and changed over time, and the Bible is a collection of these. This is why it has the nearly identical flood story from Gilgamesh, and why Jesus has the same characteristics as Dionysus, Osiris, Horus, Mithra, and Krishna. The contradictions and immorality in the stories are not evidence that God is flawed or evil, but rather that humans invented him, just like the thousands of other gods that we used to but no longer believe in., i'm going to go with option 2 (until someone can stretch this out further) here's a website I've found that has more to this than i do danielmiessler.com/essays/bible_fiction/#logic
+holdemstacy1 Throughout history it has been written and rewritten so many times. Its written by flawed humans who interpret god differently. Everybody does. Religion is totally subjective. So my statements are true. You can try to deny it or whatever or try to question my credibility but you cannot deny. As it was not written by god.
Wonderfully said. Amen.
+Infected GayAsshole
Jesus was a Jew, so you agree that he was an asshole just like you are.
Michael Berg is an ICON on YT. Look at how many accounts wardick created just to troll him. Michael if you're out there, keep up the good work my friend. You have caused wardick to lose his mind. ahahahahaha
Hey guys, just wanna share something that got official like 2 months ago. The Swedish Church will be part of the gay pride parade in the city of Jönköping, they will help with arrangments and priests will join the parade itself. Quite amazing!
Jonathan Subritzky
Well, what is a church then? In the Bible it says that shaving your beard and cutting your hair is forbidden, yet I see a lot of people doing exactly this before they go to church.
Jonathan Subritzky
Why is it no longer applicable? It is the word of god, isn't it? Are you saying that humans stand above the word of god and have the power to make his laws no longer applicable?
Lets move on the to the new testament though:
"For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off"
- Corinthians 11:6
How often do you run around and cut women's hair if you see that they don't wear a veil?
No, what a shame. Obviously the church is losing its people and now is trying to be more popular...
I just LOVE this new comment forum!
It makes reporting trolls SO easy!
Yes, I've reported your hateful, bigoted speech like 10 times!
Lot could be learned here. Actually posted a vid where Ellen gets furious with some of her own guests
Ellen, not everyone believes in gay marriage like you do, you shouldn’t judge or shame them for that. P.s. comparing homosexuality to being a woman or being black is ridiculous
As 2013 comes to a close, let's wrap up all the victories: 8 states and our nation's capital legalized same sex marriage. Support for marriage equality has never been higher, with nearly 60% of Americans supporting it AND the huge victory at the United States Supreme Court striking down key components of DOMA.
I hope 2014 is even better!!!!
You’d be happy to return six years later
JESUS IS LORD!!
REPENT OF ALL YOUR SINS &
TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST TO
SAVE U FROM HELL & DEATH!!
He must go through loads of tissues.
• BRITISH JOURNAL OF PSYCHIATRY (2004), 185, 479 - 485
Results Of the 1285 gay, lesbian and bisexual respondents who took part, 556 (43%) had mental disorder as defined by the revised Clinical Interview Schedule (CIS - R). Out of the whole sample, 361 (31%) had attempted suicide.
Conclusions Gay, lesbian and bisexual men and women have high levels of mental disorder
Bigots have "mental disorder"s.
Nice to see a respectful sharing of views on an emotional subject. Very civil.
This is how political discussions should go down, not the heated and violent messes they are now. Oh my, how times have changed.
If the thought of gay marriage equality makes you in any way angry or upset, why don't you think about something else? You are unaffected by the joy and happiness of total strangers who now have the same options as you have enjoyed all along. Why should you be denied the same rights everyone else has? Why should you be denied the right to marry the consenting adult of your choice. Would you like to be treated like a second class citizens? Why not? How are you deserving of first class citizenship while designating others to a much lower status? - If you are still not comforted by the above ideas, perhaps you should seek professional help. Skip your bigoted minister and go instead to a psychiatrist. Homosexuality is no longer classified as a mental disorder, but it can still lead to denial and manifest itself in anti-gay advocacy, and such a condition can be treated with therapy. Does that possibly describe you?
I'm not gay. I'm a christian. I however do understand that laws in this country should not be made based on religion. Saying you can't get married to the same sex is a religious law and we were suppose to have freedom of religion or lack of religion in this country. So to me, it's an unconstitutional law. I know eventually it will be legalized in every state. Gays are people, and we all have the right to do what we want in this country.
I can't believe that wardock and his thousands of accounts and is still here after losing in the Supreme Court. My god, how pathetic!!!!
+Taneisha Red I don't think that when several persons disagree with you on a particular topic, it means these people are the one and the same person.
This comment section is a disgrace. Nothing but a disgrace.
I honestly can't believe what I'm seeing here. I feel like I'm on an even worse, ignorant version of Donald Trump's Twitter.
Thanks for proving my point, Sidney. ^
And women don't clean their vaginas? 😂 That's obvious.
Just so you know, 100 percent of the anti-gay comments on this thread are from ONE troll in Australia. He has literally hundreds of accounts. Pathetic, right? Even after losing the gay marriage issue, here's still here and has been trolling here since 2008
^Same *****
I'm reading through these comments. There are people stating that being gay is not natural, that you are depriving children of two parents if you allow gays to marry, that "God" says no, and asking people to sign a national ban on gay marriage.
I look and I wonder how you people believe you are doing good. You're spewing hatred against love. To me no matter how you twist that it sounds wrong. I've seen children in gay homes that are much more loved and much more happy than "straight" homes. I'm not saying gay is better; but I am not saying it is worse. I am saying it is NORMAL. It is two people who love each other and want to share that love with the world; who want to have a family and treasure their lives together.
What next? Whose freedom to the pursuit of happiness do we attempt to take away next? Atheists don't believe in God, should they be able to get married? Hindus don't believe in the same god so wouldn't it be wrong to let them raise children; they would be cheated out of a "normal" life. The answer is no. Anyone should be able to marry the person they are in love with. Love is beauty; it does not harm anyone.
i agree fully
Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual than peers who had not been abused. W.C. Holmes and G.B. Slap, "Sexual Abuse of Boys," JAMA, Dec. 2, 1998, p. 1859
You can't make someone gay you dumbass, they're born that way. I hope you've educated yourself in the last 7 years and are no longer homophobic
Just seen Ellen show - what do they give the audiences before they film?
Barack Obama also did not support gay marriage, but you didn't see Ellen grilling him about it.
o Otago University, NZ surveyed 13,000 people >16 yo b/w 2003 & 2004.
Less than one per cent of people identified themselves as homosexual but
the study showed a clear relationship between negative events in childhood and homosexual or bisexual relationships later in life.
see: htt p://ww w.stuff. co .nz/national/3949087/Abused-mo¬re-likely-to-be-gay
• On April 14, 2003, the International Human Genome Consortium announced the successful completion of the Human Genome Project-two years ahead of schedule. The press report read: “The human genome is complete and the Human Genome Project is over” "Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired," Concludes Dr. Francis S. Collins, Head Of The Human Genome Project"
By A. Dean Byrd, Ph.D, MBA, MPH
Who really gives a shit if people are happy in life being married to someone of the same sex!!! Everything would go a lot smoother if people would just worry about themselves &a what makes them happy in life instead of sticking they're nose in someone else's business worrying about this & that when it doesn't have nothing to do with you. Mind your own and not what this person is doing or that person and your life will be a lot better.
Before this there was an ad about lucky charms and I realized lucky charms is like the gayest cereal ever, so many colors! So many rainbows! Lucky charms has now become my fave cereal
The hated anti-gay minority is free to live as they choose, they are not free to dictate marriage to the normal equality supporting majority.
Did she interview his vegetable friends?
We were made to compliment each other. Do you use a piece of paper to cut another one? No, you need scissors.
I wish everyone could be this true to what they beleive. RIP sir!
Has anyone ever thought that if god didn't want gays they simply wouldn't exist? lol
Good thing I'm atheist and straight.
I oppose gay marriage but I am glad Ellen had the respect to not bullrush him on her show.
There is no natural definition of marriage. We did not discover it in nature. It has changed and evolved, and it will always change and evolve. We need to be accepting of these facts.
Could you post this with lower volume ? Sheesh !
If you are against gay marriage, why did you even clicked on this video?
I was bored so I typed in ''faggot'' and YT brought me here..
Nearly 4 and a half million hits - Ellen is a very popular gay star.
Michael123BooDog2 lol.....
• Larry Burtoft, The Social Significance of Homosexuality: 2004 3rd Ed
'A child molester is 17 times more likely to be homosexual than heterosexual''
UTTER BOLLOCKS.
When Obama was on that same year, the toughest question she asked him was “Would you mind showing off your dance moves?” Either give the candidates puff piece interviews or be hard-hitting, but do the same for both.
that's because Obama wasn't a bigot or anti-equal rights. It's only tough if you're close minded.
nylotus Oh the irony . . .
Lmao typical liberal response
That's isnt fair. Ellen is gay and gay marriage is important to her. Obama wasnt against that but he was. Interviews on Republican channels with Obama was probably hard hitting as well, while trump can just say; PUERTO..... RICO. And they will clap for the guy.
aperson22222..EXACTLY...
annoying ass-kissing is what Ellen does with guests she favors on her show...Why ppl actually waste their time on her fluff (or similar Hollywood tv 💩 like “Keeping up with the Kardashians”) is mind boggling..🙄🤦♂️👎
I wish I had Ellen to explain my beliefs to anyone who disagrees with me on any issue.
can't do it yourself? have to get a hollywood leftist to speak your mind? sheep
She's a dumb puppet who gets told what to say and what agendas to push, you must be a complete hopeless sheep to be asking for her help 😂
Luake XBL 😂 (I really hope that was sarcasm)
@Zack Johnson (Because the new comment system is beyond stupid)
Because it doesn't make them "anti-child"... A parental figure can withhold/deny the child anything they want... It's called being responsible, a parent?...
Not allowing gays to marry simply because, let's face it... you dont want them to, is indeed "anti-gay". Personally, I dont like to use labels, all it does is make a mess out of things... Anyways, the point stands just. We, society as a whole have a fundamental right to pursue happiness if we so choose, so long as it does not harm anyone else. If getting married makes the person/couple happy, they can wed. There is no viable reason for two consenting adults not to marry, at all, point-blank, period.
If by now you still dont understand the difference between a child not getting what it WANTS and two consenting adults what they are ALLOWED. Then you sir are just ignorant.
I challenge anyone out there to provide me with just one little legally valid reason why the 14 amendment should not apply to gay Americans.
Just because you think something is icky or gross is NOT A FUCKING REASON.
Each and EVERY time this issue has gone before the courts they rule in FAVOR of marriage equality because.........the 14 amendment.
let the man believe what he believes. it is his opinion. I believe that anyone should have the right to get married.
do you apply that to everything or just this topic?
Heh, it's the internet, what do you think?
It's diffrent when "opinions" influence decisions on law.
Its not opinion, its control law.
Old book of stories written by goat herders?
Here's a test for you I'm hopeful you'll pass. You need to pick ONE and MUST pick one of these choices. If it were up to you which would be the better result:
Your daughter turns out to be a lesbian. Which partner would you select for her.
1) a woman who genuinely loves your daughter and cares for her, the feelings being mutual.
2) a gay man who enjoys your daughter's company, but they are not physically attracted.
3) a heterosexual man who doesn't love your daughter but desires to have regular intercourse with her. Your daughter does not love this man and detests his sexual attentions.
You MUST pick ONE of the above. Which will you pick, with your daughter's happiness in mind? Assume your daughter will follow your advice, no matter what your choice. - Why do I have little faith in you making the best choice for your daughter, or simply refusing to make a choice? Prove me wrong!
1, but i think this test isnt for me
polkadotbox1 1), but I would not select any partner for her. I would trust her enough to let her do that herself.
If she wanted YOUR advice, which of the 3 candidates would you wish she selected? You are trying not to answer, aren't you? Thought so!
polkadotbox1 I did answer though - the first one.
+polkadotbox1 - Speaking of 3's, R President + R Senate + R Representatives = Good-bye Same-Sex Marriage.
Marriage is for EVERYONE! TEAM ELLEN!
exactly.
To all those who find this video, you can ignore the comments section. Its basically 1 troll using many troll accounts to tell the same disproven lies. This video is its entire life which is just sad. It also makes fake troll accounts to attack people better than it is (which is pretty much anyone)
As a Muslim, here's how I see it: Gay relations are forbidden is Islam. But so is pork and alcohol. Does that mean I hurt people who eat pork and drink alcohol? No. Does it mean I try to prevent them from doing so? No. Does it mean I treat them badly? No. It only means that I don't do those things. It's the same for gay marriage.
Notice how the crowd reacts to his respectful disagreement back then, even if his views are outdated. Today people aren't interested in conversations, they just want to hear that they are always right
I'm gay and I was never sexually or physically abused... Ich habe mich nie entschieden, durch Stacheldrahtzäune zu gehen !
Doch ich habe mich für mein Leben entschieden, nicht dafür eine Lüge zu leben.
This, in a sense, angered me; not because I don't agree with gay marriage, but because Ellen wasn't allowing McCain to state his opinion freely. I think it is unfair that he is allowing her to share her opinion, but she won't let him; without hostility, that is. If someone expects to be listened to, then they themselves should respect the others' words. I know she is very opinionated about this subject, but it doesn't make her interruptions and related hostility, in any way, all right.
It's HER SHOW. No one forced him to appear. Plus she wasn't hostile, he was. Hell that old coot couldn't even give her one logical reason why she shouldn't be allowed to marry.
***** Yes it is her show, and no he wasn't forced, per say, but think of what people would say if he hadn't gone on. They would immediately start making accusations, about his prejudice, saying that he wouldn't go on because she is a lesbian. How was he hostile, all he said was his opinion, and that they had a respectful disagreement, she was the one throwing low-blows (I just hope some day it's not called a contract etc...). Also if he mentioned anything about Christianity, he would be attacked (trust me I know), so no he couldn't give her a reason.
Cartier1288 Correct, its wasn't his show and he wasn't forced to appear. He choose to go on there and answer questions. DUH!
You are also correct, he couldn't give one LOGICAL reason why Ellen shouldn't be treated equally....because there isn't one.
He was hostile by forcing his views into laws that would treat her unequally. Talk about being hostile.
***** I was talking about during the show, not in general, he went in there and was as polite as possible, but she took that as an opportunity to attack. Also as I said, he wasn't physically forced, but he was politically and emotionally forced to to go there. (Saying duh doesn't lessen my answer in anyway; I gave a reason, you didn't).
You see, now you are treating Christians as unequal, by saying that nothing they say is in anyway logical or correct, so what you are doing is completely counter-intuitive; if you want equal treatment then be an example.
Again, I was not speaking generally, I was talking about the show in hand. But I do agree, it is hostile and unnecessary to take away someones right for no true crime, but he did not go in there and start talking smack about gay people, he went and left her show in a respectful manner, she stayed hostile though.
Now if you would like to reply: please support your own statements, otherwise it's pointless, because you forever will have no influence on anyone's opinion.
Cartier1288 He should be polite after all, he was a guest ON HER SHOW.
She didn't attack him, stop with the hysterics and lies. He wanted to force his views into laws by supporting a constitutional amendment. That is the ultimate hostility towards someone. If he cannot stand to answer a question, than THANK GOD he wasn't elected President. I doubt he could handle people asking him questions 24/7.
Oh and sweetie, I'm not here to change anyone's opinion, I'm here to counter all the lies and bullshit people like you throw. If you don't like it, then by all means, get the fuck out.
The look Ellen Degenerate gave to her audience was the cue to cheer.
I remember seeing Disney channel supporting John McCain back in '08
• Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual than peers who had not been abused. W.C. Holmes and G.B. Slap, "Sexual Abuse of Boys," JAMA, Dec. 2, 1998, p. 1859.
try using legitimate studies
thomas leach Well said, he makes it up as he goes along.
Why are their so many trolls on this comment section claiming their gay?
Michael123BooDog2 hopefully that troll person doesn't make a replicate of my account
John McCain looks like Will Ferrells dad in Elf
“So you’ll walk me down the aisle”. She’s funny.
you can't compare the women and black rights, with gay" rights. First of all, Gays have same rights as an heterosexual rights (they allowed to vote, join the Army, no discrimination, etc).. Marriage is not a "right" its a privilage..and there's no conclusion if there's a "G" gene, you are "y" or "x"... be 'gay' so far, is a feeling (or a sex compulsion), not born that way as a woman, or a black person, so is unfair in a debate comparing like the gays are the new blacks...
Hey moron google loving VS VA. It was determined in that ruling that marriage is indeed a right.
***** nice, ah! Now that you mention google, put the question on search and you will see.. For example: Maryland high court in 2007 decision of Polyak v. Conaway and it found that it was NOT a right under the state constitution.. and I am sure it applies to all United States. It's like the Driver's License, people think is a right, the driver's license its a privilage, not a right....
just google this simple question: ""is a marriage a right or a privilage?" and you will see..
Eric Ortiz Marriage is a right.....Loving VS VA.
Anything else dearheart?
***** Loving vs VA -> ""Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' FUNDAMENTAL to our very EXISTENCE and SURVIVAL" (two same sex couples can not reproduce) . that what it was state on that case...it was more about interracial marriages..
People of the same-sex want the rest of us to think that marriage is a right. It is not. It is a privilege and a responsibility. Is in our constitution, as the driver's license... A license, is a privilige...
(I am not a lawyer but my Dad is, and we have discussed this)
Eric Ortiz Marriage is A RIGHT whether you agree or not. But here's a challenge to you: provide me with just one little legally valid reason why the 14th amendment should not apply to gay Americans? Better ask your daddy for help since every single time this issue has gone before the courts, they have ruled in favor of marriage equality.
John McBiggot
***** I'm gay and lots of my gay friends have HIV/AIDS. It's pretty common in the gay community.
***** Thanks for the heads up. Poor guy must feel awful when the only person in the world that agrees with him is himself.
*****
you call people names but get butthurt (pun ) over someone else doing it? Typical Homosexual hypocrite..
Why at the beginning of this does she say she can legally get married? It didn't pass till 2015 am I not right
Excellent point with the "Well you can sit there but you can't sit there."
I am born as a man, i cannot control myself and wants to sleep with many women. Will the society accepts me?
Only if you fix your grammar and spelling.
I so support gay rights. If two dudes wanna get married, let them.
Make a new profile picture please
davewta Why? At this moment, Sitara has Luke 10:27 as the pic, which seems fitting for this conversation. It is one of the most important parts of Jesus' teachings, written within the parable of the Good Samaritan and seems to be one thing that most Christians forget when they attack other human beings.
Cynthia Podmore
Thank you. That means a lot.
davewta
No. I dont have to. Freedom of speech.
The good samaratan did not have sex with the man
Shit I thought it wasn’t legalised until more recently
"walk me down the aisle" !! best reply.... Ellen always has rocking answers...once again she proved that compassion and love is the only solution against hatred..