Historical Events that Didn't Happen Like You Think
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- Uncover the truth behind historical myths! Did Paul Revere really shout "The British are coming!"? Was the Titanic's demise solely due to an iceberg? Explore iconic events redefined in this captivating video!
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Afternoon, I am a titanic CZcamsr and I do overall enjoy your content but you got several things wrong with your Titanic section in this video. The biggest thing that stood out to me was your comment about the coal fire. True the titanic was on fire during the voyage but those black marks you showed in photos were not caused by the fire. The fire was further aft in the starboard side coal bunker of boiler room 6. Underneath the first funnel. The fire didn’t damage titanic like many people claim. Second while it is true the steal/iron standards for 1912 are not as good as they are today. For the time Titanic was built very strong and I’ve never heard of the ship leaking pre sinking. Third the binoculars wouldn’t of helped that night at all. Ship crews don’t use them at night it would be like looking at a black wall. The best way to spot ice in the conditions titanic was in was to stare at the horizon and try to notice the outline of the iceberg against the horizon. Plus you need to mention the cold water mirage. Overall I like your content but be very careful when researching titanic. A lot of bad information out there.
Interesting.. maybe i should go back to ships
Well said Sam
Wasn't expecting to find you here
He didn’t research clearly 😅. The shadows on the side of the ship are literally that “shadows”. Not warping of the steel as he says. He always gets titanic stories wrong even britannic he put a picture of the 1930s britannic when trying to be factual about the 1914 britannic. 😅
You tell him King 👑
I am German (13 at the time) and the fall of The Wall was absolutely WILD! Days before and after. We couldn’t believe what was happening and it was a miracle that it went completely peaceful.
Days BEFORE??
Well, it wasn't a flash mob. Things did happen leading up to it.
If you meant please share, I do apologize.
I'm surprised that the fall of the Wall was predicted before it happened. Everybody knew the Soviets were reeling, and we all hoped and prayed, but very few, if any, KNEW with certainty that the Soviets would abandon the Wall.
I was posted to W Germany in the mid 80's. 85-87. When the Wall came down, you weren't the only one that was surprised. We watched it live at the barracks. Still it's hard to imagine that the abomination of the Inner German Border is gone. Enjoy. Cheers from a former US Army soldier.
As soon as I saw the Titanic, I immediately went to the comments and wasn't disappointed lol
Same here
Yea first time I disagreed with one of these Simon videos.
Same!
@@exodore2000It’s a good reason to avoid general history/knowledge channels like this, as soon as you watch a video on a topic you have intimate knowledge of you realize how much they get wrong.
Then just extrapolate to topics you don’t have intimate knowledge on and it’s a very safe assumption *most* of the things they say are incorrect.
Regarding Titanic, I can literally see reaction from Mike (Oceanliner Designs channel) comin'. Dude literally started his passion for ships (and channel itself) with Titanic and I trust him to be one of the well acknowledged in the subject
It’s the first time I gave one of Simon’s videos a dislike. That segment is just filled with errors!
Mike is an expert on Titanic ,,um , Ask him about the steam engines..and How they work ,,
I recently discovered his channel. Really in depth
Mike is amazing.
My thoughts exactly 😅"Oohhh Mike is going to have something to say about this..."
The Titanic was cut in half by Godzilla after he was transported back in time and trapped inside an iceberg. Everyone who took fourth grade world history knows that.
Finally, someone with accurate information is on this page.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I remember that morning well. Our normal radio show was interrupted with the news, and we thought it was a joke so we used Ask Jeeves to get the real story. They thought it was a terrorist attack and grounded all flights and transcontinental streamliner cruises for weeks until they could sort it out. Y'all kids don't know what it was like before that... Different world.
I was the iceberg. Can confirm
and Rose let Godzuki die !😭
I'll try to make it short. As always, I love to watch the channel, BUT Whoever wrote the script for Simon did not do any research on the titanic and probably just seen bunch of conspiracy videos on the subject: 1 Olympic had 2 compartments flooded after collision with hawk and basically limped to port. 2 - rivets in comparison to MODERN STANDARDS were subpar, BUT for the Era, they were top quality. 3 that mark on the photo showing the "fire damage" is NOWERE NEAR the place where fire took place (from outside look) the damaged area was below the water line and on that photo is just literally a smudge on the picture). 4 titanic had inoperative telegraph after they left Europe and only got fixed on the morning day before the sinking. I was not expecting that many errors from such a great show like this, not gonna lie I'm a bit disappointed 😅
It’s a weird nitpick about the Titanic. If not for the iceberg, she would not have sunk. There were probably other reasons related to construction methods, brittleness of the steel, and the coal bunker fire, that contributed. But without the iceberg, those things would not have mattered.
I just found it funny that one radio man told another radio man to shut up and they did.
The coal fire was a non factor depending who you listen to.
@@felixramirez9920 I'd like to know what was said when the Titanic called back for help.
@@felixramirez9920 They were not really "talking" so it was not that personal. It was very new at the time also.
The brittle steel and the coal fire have been debunked over and over again. One simply is not true and played not role in the sinking.
Schabowskis answer to the question by the reporter is legendary here with anyone above a certain age, and it was definitely a minor miracle the right commanders were on duty that night, and everyone remembered they were human, this could have so easily turned into a bloodbath.
There seemed to be a lot of that during the cold war, like 2 instances where the "procedure" would have been to launch nukes, but one sub commander and one radar technician decided the world wouldn't end today.
@@SeraphRyan Yes, that submarine story is one of the most amazing "what if's" that has occurred in history. And yet it is so unknown, those guys decision saved the world.
Immediately rolled my eyes at the thumbnail and what that implied, and the video didn’t disappoint. Filled with errors and, ironically, myths.
Whenever I see simon in a thumbnail, I figure at least 50% is going to be wrong somehow and with what appears to me pompous delivery I no longer watch and just scroll through the comments.
@@user-gl5dq2dg1j As a Titanic enthusiast, hearing him regurgitate long-debunked myths with such pompous confidence was amusing lol.
@@Omega4ProductionsThat seems to be Simon's default: pompous. It wouldn't be so bad if hew as right almost all the time but with < 50% accuracy, I find him to be so pompous that he is insulting.
@@Omega4ProductionsAnd I bet he thinks the Royal Navy didn't sink the Bismark.
@user-gl5dq2dg1j I don't get a pompous attitude from him at all. Are you American by chance? I wonder if the English accent just comes across that way to you guys (if you are).
4:24-9:24
Prepare to have this segment ripped to shreds.
-Mike Brady
Our friend, Mike Brady.
Historic Travels is already is ripping that to shreds. I was about to get a few swings in when I saw that thumbnail. I thought it was gonna be the Titanic/Olympic switch again.
@@zombiedoggie2732 omg my parents believe that one still jo matter how much I've shown and told them. My mother hates Churchill so much because of how the disaster has painted that period of his life so much that she wants to believe that the worst possible story is true. All for hate of a dead prime minister... of another country.
The fire on the Titanic actually ended up being helpful during the sinking. Due to the fire, which was on the starboard side, hundreds of tonnes of coal needed to be moved from the starboard side to the port side. When the ship hit the iceberg, it was struck on the starboard side. All the coal they had moved previously when extinguishing the fire meant the ship sank on a mostly even keel, which meant the lifeboats on both sides could be lowered away. All that said, the fire was never a concern for danger - more an inconvenience initially that ended up making a positive difference in the end.
What you said about the construction of the ship was not correct though. The ship was made of the best quality materials for the day and the rivets were fine. Olympic was designed with exactly the same materials and had a long career.
It’s also been argued that binoculars would not have helped and probably would not have even been used under the conditions in which the Titanic hit the iceberg. All binoculars would have done is meant the lookouts would have seen darkness…but closer. It would have taken time to focus, check without the binoculars, then double check with… ultimately binoculars would have slowed down the call for the iceberg from the crow’s nest to the bridge.
Additionally regarding the lifeboats, whilst what you said was correct that some passengers would rather have stayed on the big “safe” ship than get into the small rickety boat, lifeboats in those days were not designed to get everyone all off the ship at once. Instead, the idea was to use them as little ferry boats from a stricken ship to another nearby vessel. With this thought in mind, it would have been better to fill the boats with as many willing passengers as fast as possible, and then ferry the lifeboats back and forth as needed. Hindsight is a beautiful thing though and times have changed a lot since then. Though to be honest, having more lifeboats on the Titanic would probably have been a hinderance. They only just managed to get all the lifeboats on A deck away in time. The launching of the last two collapsible boats was a shambles. More lifeboats would have taken up more of the crew’s valuable time. All said, they did the best they could with the time and information they had in the moment.
Nicely said.
Interesting
I seem to remeber that they tested The steel and it was shown to be high sulfer and fairly brittle
@@rb1054Compared to the new stuff yes. But you need to keep in mind that steel production has become far more refined in the over 100 years since Titanic was built. Back then it was the best they had. Compared to today’s steel it’s complete garbage but back then it was good.
Exactly what I was going to say!! Lol thanks!
On Lincoln, the quote is from a campaign speech. It is questionable whether it reflected his personal views or was just intended to not scare off voters.
On the Emancipation Proclamation, it was an executive order. As such, it didn't matter what Lincoln wanted to do. He couldn't have freed slaves in the north by a stroke of his pen. The Proclamation was an order to the military on the prosecution of the war, something within his power as President.
Yeah, Lincoln's election was an extremely charged time to say the least. The man was trying to prevent a Civil War, after all. Not to mention the simple fact the 13th amendment was passed after his death doesn't mean he wasn't involved with its passing at all. Legislation can take months, after all we've seen the Ukraine military aid package take about 7 months to get through, with Biden calling for it the whole way.
Incorrect. The quote was from a presidential debate prior to the civil war. Lincoln said both before and after the war that his aim was never to free the slaves. He was a vocal proponent of returning freed slaves to Africa.
Wait until my friend Mike Brady, from Oceanliner Designs hears about this one.
Our friend, Mike Brady, from Oceanliner Designs.
Our Friend, Mike Brady, will surely debunk this soon enough.
Sam has already commented it’s only a matter of time before Mike comes in if he hasn’t already.
he believes anything he’s told in the mainstream media though. He won’t think outside the box. He is blinded by his love of titanic.
Titanic steel was fine for the day, its identical sister rammed a German sub and was fine, and had a full life of service. The coal bunker fire was on the bulkhead wall which wasn’t exterior. But yes to everything else pretty much
Re the Titanic, a significant reason why the lifeboats left undermanned was that the crew thought the davits supporting the boats weren't rated to lower the boats fully loaded, when they actually were as a drill covering this had been held previously. Also of course, the collapsible boats on top of the wheelhouse also were not deployed on time either.
it was also the fact that Charles Lightoller - the most senior officer to survive the sinking - interpreted "women and children first" as "women and children only" and did not allow men into the lifeboats, although there were no women or children present. So they left half full, while First Officer Murdoch filled the lifeboats to capacity.
And one correction to the video: the Titanic had more places in lifeboats than were actually demanded by law at this time. Lifeboats were actually seen as possible transport to a rescue vessel, and were supposed to ferry the passengers over. Unfortunately there was no ship close enough to arrive in time, that heard the distress call.
Actually all but one of the collapsible boats did release in time. The last one floated out instead of been lowered but still launched ... barely.
As for the there not been enough it was seen in them days as being a on a major shipping route never that fall away from a ship to rescue them. The boats was supposed to be filled ans then just wait for help. They was supposed to be filled, take them over to the rescue ship then return to the sinking one to get more passengers.
The second Officer Lightoller told the lifeboats to remain nearby to pick up passengers who would be in the water after the sinking, but virtually none of them did so. The race was to get the lifeboats off the ship before a tilt rendered that impossible. They, the crew, almost succeeded in this, as the final two collapsable lifeboats both did manage to get free also, though one was capsized, even it saved live as people climbed ontop of it and it remained afloat most of the night.
We all know the titanic sank because the guy from flex tape sawed the boat in half.
Now that's a lot of damage!
You're cool
One of my brothers friends was stationed in Germany when the wall fell and he was there. It was a lot of things, but most of all it was a massive celebration.
About the titanic, the iceberg did sink the titanic, it sank due to damage caused by the titanic. The captain did head the warnings and made adjustments to her route. Due to the visual disturbances caused by the very drastic change in temperature the captains measurement was off by several "seconds" of degrees. The binoculars wouldn't have helped simply because as you stated the sea was calm and it was a moonless night. Also the visual disturbances caused by the temperature changes would have also reduced the time that they could have seen the iceberg. In addition to that they were sailing into the Labrador current from being in the Gulf Stream. The iron rivets were made of inferior iron grade but no different that the rivets driven by hand in other ships. The suggestion that the rivets failure is like you said which is that they failed EASIER than the rest of the machine driven rivets on the other sections. Also the fire on board the ship may actually have helped it during the sinking saving lives rather than costing. The Fire was in a bunker on the port side and so they transferred the remaining coal to the other side of the section and when water came in from the collision it balanced out the weight to the point that she remained on a even keel the whole sinking. If we're going to talk about the lifeboats lets also discuss the regulations in the board of trade had at the time, she carried the legal requirement. There is some talk that is was suggested for more lifeboats and Bruce Ismay refused because it blocked the view from the first class area.
Worth noting that the steel and rivet quality on the Titanic was exceptional for the time, the reports of 'leaking' due to bad rivets are false. The steel was brittle by today's standards but was just as good as anything else being put onto ships in the 1910s - H&W were the world's leading shipbuilder. They did NOT cheap out on materials as is suggested here. The reports of any kind of 'warping' of the hull from the coal fire are completely made up too, and the mark at 8:45 is just a smudge on the lens and is too far forward from where the coal fire was actually burning. Quite a lot of already debunked stuff has made its way into this video.
Every source I checked disagrees with you. They were wrought-iron rivets, while the hull was made of steel (NIST, John Hopkins, Titanic History Society, etc)
Also I noticed that you disagreed with the quality, but it wasn’t bad quality, it was poor construction which is different. Poor construction means that regardless of quality, it wasn’t designed properly for what it was doing and where it was going. The highest quality iron would still be brittle compared to steel
I've seen multiple movies and video clips about Titanic, long before Leo DiCaprio declared himself "King of the World". I am aware of the theory that a coalfire weakened the hull. I just don't know.
While it may well be true that both the hull plating steel and the rivet steel were as high quality as any other steel used at the time, it is not necessarily the quality of the steel which was the problem, but the conditions it was subjected to during construction. At the time the Titanic and other Olympic class ships were built, welding was not commonly used for ship construction - the more common method for joining steel plates together was hot-riveting. This is where the rivets are first heated up to red hot (almost to the melting point of the steel), inserted into the holes in the two plates to be joined and then hammered together while still hot. The hammering could either be done by hand or with hydraulic tools, but either way, once complete, the rivet would cool down fairly quickly, causing thermal contraction, which would pull the two plates together extremely tightly. This was considered the strongest and most reliable way of joining metal plates together before it was superseded by welding.
As strong as this hot-riveting technique was, it did cause a significant problem: The rapid cooling of the steel the rivets were made of would make them more brittle than the steel plates they joined together, even if the quality of the steel both the plates and the rivets were made of was identical to begin with. So the steel the rivets were made from would not have to be bad in order to end up more brittle overall.
@@qz6332Poor construction and improper design are two separate issues. I doubt one that one of the leading shipyards of the day were given to poor construction. The main issues with the design were the open at the top not so water tight compartments is a glaring issue. The other was an undersized rudder, although with the momentum RMS Titanic had I don't know if she could have swung out of the way at that speed with as little warning about a mountain of ice dead ahead.
I would like to point out that, before the war, Lincoln preferred to have the slaves returned to Africa to prevent the war, which gives more context for your quote that you did. Do you really know how to do research?
No they don't. They are piss poor at research and are full of false information. I swear their idea of research is to look at dr. google and click the first site that comes up.
Uhhhhhh...... trying to say the titanic didn’t sink because of the iceberg is just patently false.
Wrong ! There is evidence of a bomb .wasn’t even the titanic but the Olympic that sank . Not many people know that part ! The captain was in on it, too .
Nope coal bunker explosion it’s a coincidence it passed the burg.
I see that Historic Travels has already covered the issues I had with the section on Titanic. Trust him, he's a tireless researcher and he really knows Titanic. I highly recommend his videos as well as those by Ocean Liner Designs. The two of them are the very best YT has to offer on the subject of RMS Titanic.
There are a great many myths and legends surrounding Titanic; that is likely to always be the case, as she has a way of capturing hearts and minds more than 100 years since her loss.
Lincoln was trying to beat Douglas in a debate. It wasn't a good idea to ignore his audience and say he loved amalgamation and equality for all men to a group hostile to both. While a noble man, he was also a politician trying to sway the electorate. I recommend the series Checkmate Lincolnites! by Atun-Shei Films for a more nuanced look at Lincoln's position on slavery.
Correct. Simon ignored Lincoln's changing views on slavery after he was elected. It's almost as if a 'lost cause' advocate gave him what to say. This was one of the worst of his videos.
It's not hard to imagine someone being anti-slavery but also anti-integration or anti-equality. Slavery competes with "free" labor. One of the South's biggest issues was a lack of decently paid tradesmen. Most labor jobs were contracted by wealthy people with slaves that weren't compensated for work. They could outbid any free person. So slavery was abolished in the north... as it directly affected the "free" people who were now allowed to vote even though they didn't own land. But in any case... Lincoln said himself that he would free NO ONE and maintain the status quo once he took office. But the rebellion was already under way.
@@darthracer777 Lincoln was a tyrant. America itself it a lost cause. Deal with it bootlicker.
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Yeah, after seeing all the comments about both this segment and the Titanic segment, I'm basically at the point where I assume all the segments in this video are just as shoddy.
Though I do believe it's true that Revere wouldn't have been riding his horse down the street shouting, so I guess they got that part right...
@@deschain1910 The common story of Paul Revere is pretty well known to be a creation of poetic license.
You dont use the binoculars to search the horizont,you use them to confirm what you see with your naked eyes.
Second,at that time,it was custom for ships to move as fast as possible to get clear of the ice.
Third,the lookouts could not see anything bc of the low temperature and the ice wind they experienced bc of the ship speed
You missed out the most important part about the Berlin Wall story. That David Hasselhoff sang while stood on the wall dressed in a jacket decorated with light bulbs.
More important than that, Peter Quill totally missed out on that due to already having been abducted by Ravagers. 😉
I desperately want that to be true.
Its a fact that david hasselhoffs “looking for freedom” song was the biggest factor in the berlin wall coming down
If you haven't seen/heard Hasselhoffs song in the end credits of Kung Fury, you really need to!
@@randomname4726 oh, I have! It’s brilliant!
God help anyone who creates a CZcams video about the Titanic containing false, misleading and incorrect "facts". We in the Titanic community will be all over it "like flies on very seductive manure" (quote from Futurama "A Flight to Remember"). This video has more holes than Titanic's hull at 11:41pm.
I love how you talk fast, and you have an amazing team of researchers, writers, and video editors.
If anyone is doing two of those jobs then they deserve a one ounce gold bar.
The fire in the coal bunker did nothing to sink the Titanic, it was just the problem that the hole, which covered not more than 1,6m² extended over too many water tight compartments, therefore the ship could not stay afloat.
And about the Berlin wall: not only was I crying that night from joy, but there is a rumor that the Italian journalist who asked when it will take effect was actually briefed to do so. And then the unthinkable happened, insecure border police did not know what to do and let the things happen. And it turned out, that thousands did not even want to move to West-Berlin, just look at it, then return home and be able to cross the border any time they liked. But that was too late, the GDR was doomed that night.
Im fully ready for Simon to tell me the titanic didn't sink and I will 100% believe him
Olympic sunk😊
so it sank because of the fire more then the iceberg? not a very solid argument tbh
😂 sadly he tells the story everyone who saw TITANIC got told in the first 20 minutes of the film 😂😂
i believe thats called a cult..
you should check that fealty at the door..
The years of conditioning us to let our guard down in the Whistleverse is working 😂
I want OceanLinerDesigns to go over Simons Titanic facts
The Olympic most certainly did not “complete its journey without difficulty”. She returned to Belfast for extensive repairs. In fact, she returned to the dry dock right next to the unfinished Titanic. There is a conspiracy theory concerning the cost of her repairs and a name switch with Titanic that might make good content for one of your channels.
And, for the love of all that is holy, quit perpetuating this myth that Titanic’s steel was substandard for the day.
The Olympic controversy comes well documented despite frantic efforts to silence the whistleblowers. It would be very interesting to have them do a piece on that,; who the captain was, and why Whitestar needed the insurance pay off for a ship that was already uninsurable.
Thr "comedy of errors" which was the a titanic sinking was also, as mentioned here, the fact that the idea of 24/7 radio communication was not a standard at the time. So once the crew realised that they were sinking they immediately sent out the S.O.S but all other nearby ships radio operators had turned their receivers off because it was past working time. This also lead to the whole "half empty" lifeboat criticism/not enough life boats. The titanic (or Olympic class in general) wasn't supposed to have a lot of life boats as it opporated in busy shipping lanes. So the idea was that if there was any issue with the ship another ship would come by soon as they were all close to one and other. So when the original S O D was sent out the lifeboats were semi-filled as the crew expected another ship to come on by so that the passengers in the semi-filled lifeboats could be offloaded and the boats returned to titanic so that a second wave could come, supplemented by the life craft of the second ship. HOWEVER, as mentioned most radio operators turned their receivers off at night as it wasn't a standard to keep them on, and one of the ships that did receive the SOS did try and come to Titanic's aid, but got confused when they saw her on the horizon as the lookouts thought "that can't be titanic, it's far too close to us", as the Titanic's size was greater than other liners (so she looked like a much closer regular liner as opposed to a ship of her actual size which was actually a further away).
In the end people ended up claiming that the ship was doomed.tonsink etc. however, construction wise, she was built to do what she was meant to. Titanic had been on fire for DAYS with no incident. Following her collision she stayed afloat for HOURS which would have allowed for a full ship evacuation (there are modern examples of liners sinking in under 10 minutes that prove.how good she was built). The ship had done what she was designed to do, but unfortunately it was the silly human errors (radios turned off/ignored, binoculars locked up etc.) that caused the problem.
Team Simon has a history of poor research, and today is no exception
1: There's actually no proof the Titanic's steel was any worse than other steel for the time. The fact that she stayed afloat for almost three hours when most ships sank in under 15 minutes is a testament to her engineering.
2: There's no evidence the coal fire affected the integrety of the steel where the iceberg hit
3: Without modern NVGs, binoculars at night are kinda useless
4: Lifeboats weren't designed to hold an entire ship's complement, they were meant to shuttle back and forth to nearby rescue ships. People forget that the NYC-England route was an absolute superhighway, and the idea that there *wouldn't* be help nearby was unthinkable. In fact, were it not for a coal strike affecting shipping, there would have been *even more* ships coming to help.
I seriously expected better research from these guys. Usually they do an alright job getting things correct.
@@crazyguy_1233You're more optimistic than I am. On things where I have a decent knowledge of the subject, I find at best they are superficial or outright wrong.
@@crazyguy_1233 Why? Must have about 20 channels by now. Greedy af. Every single one of them goes on my don't recommend. Quality, not quantity.
@@user-gl5dq2dg1j yeah, i'm seriously scared about how much misleading info i've consumed from these guys, now
It should be emphasized again that Simon's channels should be regarded as entertainment, not reliable sources.
Ugh you're peddling the binoculars nonsense ... it is well established that lookouts rarely used them as it massively limits their field of view, especially at night. The rivets have also been proven to not be a problem. And the coal bunker fire was a VERY common experience on ships at the time. You have repeated very common myths about the ship that subject experts spend a lot of time debunking. Try harder.
have never in my life seen someone care so much about the sinking of a ship 100 years ago
@@swagcreated9147 Yeah caring about stuff makes you so uncool right? What are you 12?
@@nattyfatty6.0 what? i’m interested in the video, so i clicked & watched it just like you did. What i didn’t expect was someone to take the titanic section such to heart, and definitely didn’t expect “nattyfatty” to call me a 12 year old LMAO, it’s time to hop on the cut “nattyfatty”
@@nattyfatty6.0 LOL just clicked your channel, your form is atrocious buddy, get out of that “i’m right everyone wrong” mindset, and quit attacking folks on the internet. I promise going to the gym & lifting heavy does not matter as much as you think it does. Good for you though, you call anyone you disagree with 12 or homo slurs topkek, graduate from your bedroom & step outside folk
@swagcreated9147 the words "Fake News" trigger absolutely no reaction in you, then? Lies are lies.
Unlike the others, I was alive that day "the wall fell" and it was quite something.
Thank God CZcams gave us a context box since we are all too stupid to think for ourselves.
I was dangerously close to thinking for myself! Thank goodness that was avoided. Thank you curators of information that you deem is true!
With all the errors in this video it's probably a good thing there is a link to another article.
As a black american, this description of Abraham Lincoln is hardly discussed in the US. To sum it up, Lincoln only "freed my ancestors" to try and sabotage the confederacy in any way possible.
To be perfectly accurate, Lincoln only made slavery an issue in the war when northern states were threatening to pull out of what they were told would be a short and decisive conflict.
0:25 - Chapter 1 - Paul revere midnight ride
4:30 - Chapter 2 - The sinking of the titanic
9:30 - Chapter 3 - Abraham lincoln emancipation proclamation
11:40 - Chapter 4 - The fall of the berlin wall
Nice1 now i don't hav to go fru the Americant bit❤
Simon is the only youtuber millionare that seems to get his info from wikipedia and the first page of google. But hey do it with an accent and its believabke right 😄
I think he's an insult to Brits.
I remember hearing that the "Fall" of the Berlin Wall was a misunderstanding ... it was also one of the coolest things in my life. I watched it go up on TV and then I got to watch it come down the same way.
War es auch, es sollte nur erleichterte Reisebedingungen geben, keinen Freischein. Es gibt tv Aufnahmen zum Versprechen.. und dann haben alle es als Grund genommen niemand an der Mauer am übertreten zu hindern, die Wiedervereinigung zu feiern, und Stücke der Mauer raus zu brechen. Der Rest war eine riesen Party und Geschichte :)
Actually, the Marconi operator on the Titanic messaged “Shut up! Shut up! I’m busy!” Which was actually quite common amongst the operators, on top of that when the Californian sent that message, it was close to the titanic so it came through as a very loud screech, so loud in fact, that Philips literally threw off his headset before blasting out his message, also the coal fire would have been contained and most certainly didn’t weaken the steel
Nice description of Titanic’s story. One note is that wireless warnings were then still a novelty and considered just a heads up for what to expect. Captains and officers of all ships were still trained to use their 19th century seafaring skills and only change speed or course when observed conditions called for it. When Captain Smith went to bed, he specifically said that if there were any haze or if conditions were doubtful they would have to slow down.
As for the lookouts, binoculars would only be useful in daylight and only then when something was already spotted. The fact that they had been ordered to watch for “small ice and growlers” meant they were probably looking low at the water right in front of the ship, and that could be why they didn’t initially spot the dark mass further on the horizon.
Regarding the coal “fire”, yes it was common for smoldering coal combustion to happen in bunkers, but the damage was only described as bubbled paint, not warping. At any rate that damage was to the bunker wall with the boiler room, not the watertight bulkhead itself. The photo you showed is not related to the smoldering at all, the location of the “smudge” is far forward of the bunker in question.
I would like to respectfully correct some misconceptions as shown in the video as someone who has been interested in Titanic and has done casual research on her over the past 14-15 years ever since I have been interested. People may question the reasoning as to the top speed Titanic was going through the Icefield. Every other captain would testify that they themselves would sail through an ice field at top speed unless if the visibility was hindered. Smith didn't actually ignore any of the warnings either, rather they did change course down a bit further south in hopes of being clear of the ice field. From reports from other nearby Ships, it was said the visibility was perfectly clear. The thinking was that if there was any Iceberg, they would spot it quick enough to maneuver around it because Titanic is the most maneuverable when at her top speed. The thing that really changed things was the Mirage that developed on the horizon according to a statement by lookout Frederick Fleet. This false horizon obscured the Iceberg until it was too late. There is a debate regarding if binoculars would have helped spot it when Fleet had actually testified they would have used the Binoculars after spotting the object by the naked eye first which would have taken more time leading to a delay and a potentially worse impact with the Iceberg.
When people are referring to the "Burn Mark" from the Image of her in Belfast, that is no Burn Mark. The positioning of the marking is 100 feet forward and 40 feet above of where the Coal Fire actually was, with it being placed around where the Post Office and First Class Baggage Room was located, and additionally, in other photographs at different angles of her departing from Belfast, the "burn mark" is not visible at all and it is most likely the reflection of the shore that you can see to the left of the picture on the shiny black paint of her Hull. The coal fire did happen, in which Coal Fires were very common and weren't unusual on steam ships during the time. The media likes to over exaggerate and say the coal was ablaze with flames. In reality it was just smoldering coals similar to how a firepit looks once the fire has gone out with those glowing pieces remaining. In order to combat the fire, the Stokers in the boiler room had to move 300 tons of coal from that coal bunker all the way to the other side which resulted in a displacement of 600 tons, which made the ship appear to have a 2 to 3 degree list to the Port (Left) side. After striking the iceberg, she immediately began to list around 5 degrees to the OTHER side to Starboard (Right) within 15 minutes. Now imagine how unstable she would have been if that 2-3 degree list wasn't present. From what I believe I remember seeing somewhere, even depicted in many naval simulations it depicted Titanic capsizing about an hour into the sinking except when the Model was implemented with the 2.5 degree Port list. Keep in mind that the first lifeboat was lowered an hour after the collision. The media likes to also over exaggerate and say that the coal fire weakened the bulkhead/hull when it didn't weaken it a substantial amount. During the sinking, the coal bunker door behind where the Coal Fire was located did end up collapsing, but this was because the hatches were meant to hold back coal rather than 180 tons of water putting heavy pressure on it and the door itself wasn't meant to be watertight either hence why it eventually collapsed. If the Coal Fire "weakened the Hull," how could the Iceberg puncture the forward compartments such as the Cargo Holds and the Forepeak Tank nowhere near where the Coal Fire happened?
According to the talented historian Samuel Helpfern a test was once carried out to test the strength of the steel, he wrote the following about it: “Spontaneous ignition of coal in a bunker usually begins deep down where the coal absorbs oxygen and gives off hydrogen, carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide, and some aerosols under rising temperatures. With no real draft of air in the bunker, coal will ignite and smolder at about 750°F. Since the bulkhead was riveted tight around its edges to angle iron which was riveted to the hull and decks, thermal expansion caused by heat from the fire would cause the bulkhead plate to bulge outward to relieve the stress. After cooling back to room temperatures, it would remain somewhat dented as observed. But to get that bulkhead, which was made of mild steel, to glow red hot, would take a temperature of about 900°F or more from a fire being fed with a good draft of air. Despite the drama that some subsequent newspaper accounts wanted people to believe, it certainly was not a raging blaze that was completely out of control. Metallurgical analysis on bulkhead plates similar to that used on Titanic was heated to about 1,200°F so that it became red hot. The plates were bound to other pieces modeling the shell and floor plates by riveting it to angle iron pieces which in turn were riveted to the other pieces. The results showed the bulkhead plate had distorted by about 6 inches, and the rivets holding the plate would only have been stressed to only 10%-20% of their failure load. Even if the bulkhead was first heated red hot and then cooled down by sea water or water from a fire hose, it would not affect the low temperature properties of the bulkhead. The conclusion of modern day forensics is that the bunker fire would not have weakened the watertight bulkhead sufficiently to cause it to collapse.”
Titanic was also equipped with 20 Lifeboats instead of the required 16 by the Maritime Board of Trade. I would also confidently say that if they had more lifeboats, it is possible that it could have lead to more deaths. During the sinking, even they didn't have time to properly launch the last two Engelhardt Collapsible Lifeboats and they were washed off of the deck of the Ship and were nearly crushed by the first funnel collapsing. If they had many more Lifeboats, it would possibly lead to much more chaos with trying to prepare these boats and it could also be possible that they wouldn't have been able to launch as many Lifeboats.
Fallacy-it has already been well established the Titanic was NOT travelling at top speed.
Simon, your reporting on the titanic is absolute bs and it is shameful that you would perpetuate this kind of misinformation. There is a documentary on this line of thinking regarding the titanic by Tim Maltin that is on CZcams for free I believe that you need to watch. There is also a channel on CZcams which is called ocean liner design that might also prove very instructive. Always loved your content but this leaves a foul taste in my mouth. Will not be watching your stuff for a while I think.
Lincoln had a remarkable change in his viewpoints on race and the future of the United States as the Civil War drew to a close. It's a shame so many have yet to do the same today.
I was surprised to even see this one here. I thought that it was more or less common knowledge that the Emancipation Proclamation was issued as commander in chief in support of winning the Civil War, and not about actually freeing slaves. It justified actions that Union generals were already taking, not creating new actions to take.
The average Wal Mart shopper still gives a free pass to the idea that the Proclamation freed the slaves.
It's also worth considering that some of the stuff he said in political speeches and debates was also politically motivated. Regardless of his personal thoughts on slavery, Lincoln couldn't campaign on complete emancipation because it was not a particularly popular position even among his own parties, and he also was trying to avoid the civil war happening and the country fracturing like many others before him during that time, even if he wasn't successful. And even more so than emancipation, equality would have been an absolute losing position to run on even if he believed in it he'd have to say otherwise
@@Aaronrules380 Thank you for that wonderful articulated point on the realities a pragmatic and complex man faced in extremely difficult times.
@@brianarbenz1329 To be fair, the average Walmart shopper in certain regions of the country also think Lincoln is the "bad guy".
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It's sad that you're not in touch with your sister.
Normally you're good at this, but on the TITANIC you repeated a lot of false information.
(And I should know, I've been a TITANIC Historian for 40+ years.)
I like Simon and his videos but I just sighed when he began to dip into the coal fire theory
"Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect is as follows: You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. . . . You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. . . . In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know." --Michael Crichton
@@EllieP.-hi5fx I just get more and more exasperation building until, not being able to stand it any more, I exit the video in question in utter frustration.
(P.S. - If anyone starts spouting the bullsh*t "OLYMPIC Switch Conspiracy Theory", just laugh at their gullibility, lack of intelligence and imbecile-level stupidity and never take them seriously again).
@@galatheumbreon6862 Sorry, he's pretty good with the facts, but on this TITANIC one, he appears to have based much of it upon long-disproven and ridiculed "conspiracy theories" which have polluted the Internets for years.
Dude he makes these kinds of errors on every single video lmao its not just the Titanic, I love the guy cuz he's hilarious on Brain Blaze (if thats still a thing) but his writers really let him down on the research part.
I wouldnt blame Brian tho, he is a self admitted idiot who immediately forgets the topic he covered after he's done with it, boy just reads the teleprompt.
Normally I slap all of his videos on my watchlist and get to them later. This one I paused on because it seemed fishy. It only takes one fishy history video from a CZcamsr to put all of the videos into question. I'm more hesitant to watch Simon's videos now.
The Titanic binoculars wouldn't have been much help. The large iceberg should have been easily visible on the horizon against the star background. But it was hidden by a thermal inversion, effectively an upside down mirage that gave the illusion of a misty raised horizon that hid the berg. To the lookouts in the crow's nest, the iceberg would have suddenly appeared out of nowhere too late for the ship to avoid it. No doubt they were embarrassed by their failure to see it (even though it wasn't their fault) and the binoculars were a good excuse at the inquiry.
The part about the Titanic is chockfull of horseshit. I clicked on the video expecting exactly that on account of the AI thumbnail and boy, i was not disappointed.
There's so many inaccuracies in the Titanic segment it's hard to take it seriously. No mention of the keel, no mention of how long it took to load lifeboats and time it took for the vessel to sink....but hey it's Simon....I don't have high expectations really as a result 😉
However, the length of time needed to load the lifeboats didn't contribute to the sinking, did it? The segment was specifically about how the ship didn't sink just from slamming into the iceberg. It was briefly listing the other contributing factors to the sinking. I'm pretty sure he already did a full deep-dive on the Titanic sinking on another channel.
The only thing is the other so called factors weren't factors. Both the weak steel and coal fire have both been debunked already. She barely launched the boats she did have the last two floated off one upside down.
Fun fact: Bald, bearded guys don't write all their many CZcams scripts. The more you know.
Even though I now know it was more complicated than I understood as a child, I will never forget the image in the days afterward of people up there with their bare hands tearing that wall down. It brings me to tears every time I think of it. It was incredible to live at the same time as this kind of history. I wish kids these days knew how big a deal that was, but they probably haven't even heard of it, and most of them probably have no idea how those events affected the ones that now currently pertain to their lives.
Another big mistake you made about the Titanic that I'm surprised others, like Historic Travels, hadn't mentioned, is your claim that the Titanic was going close to maximum speed. This was not the case. The Titanic's maximum speed was 25 knots. It was believed for years that the Titanic was going at 21 knots when it hit the iceberg. It is now believed it was actually going at 20 knots. Also Murdoch was probably watching from the wing of the bridge, which was a better position to watch for icebergs than the crows nest. He may have spotted the iceberg before the lookouts. Please do a better job at researching.
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From having listened to Drachinefel, I imagine that when you have to rely on human muscle to feed furnaces, you aren't going to maintain top speed for extended periods, and unless they were manned to break the speed record they weren't going to have an overabundance of stokers. Navies would have the man power for the short term bursts of speed for battle. Also going fast burns more fuel faster.
No mention of Sybil ludington, who also rode to warn of ‘The Regulars’ coming?
I mean, talk about a historical event not even mentioned in history class in high school!
This was my thought as well, I was combing the comments to see if anyone else was going to bring this up.
@@OceaniaOrchid I guess her story wasn’t patriotic enough? 🤷🏽
I love the video Simon but as for the segment about the Titanic, the fire in the coal bunker didn't really weaken the steel enough for the iceberg, the area of the fire itself wasn't the same area where the berg struck but many people like the theory because it makes sense to a lot of people who are not experts on the Titanic. But again, these were common mistakes and the video I still found enjoyable.
With the Titanic there was a reason they didn’t slow down. They had paid attention to the ice warnings and had changed course to avoid it. The typo in the one that reported in their path would have had an impact had it been typed out correctly. The Californian was so close to Titanic that their wireless operator very likely didn’t hear the message as he had his set up at max volume to talk with Cape Race sending out the backlog of messages. This means the Californian’s message would have been so loud that it would come out as an ear piercing screech. He likely ripped off the headset to avoid hurting his ears and sent the message to Californian without thinking about it. He wasn’t being rude but was frustrated and very tired. The binoculars were not going to help that night. Binoculars were used after an obstruction had been spotted but in their case they saw it seconds before hitting it and binoculars would have been pointless to use by that point. It’s also important to remember they believed they were south of the ice field and again binoculars would have been pointless since they thought there would be no obstructions. As for the engines cutting or maintaining power may have actually saved them had they done it. Rudders are more effective with water running past them we actually saw this recently with the bridge accident. Without water running past the rudder its turning capabilities are significantly decreased. The metal quality shouldn’t be judged as it was the best they had in 1912. We compare their steel to modern steel and of course it’s going to be lesser quality they were doing this over 100 years ago and production methods have been refined significantly since then. So it’s unfair to say the ship was built badly when you compare it to ships today especially since the ships today are designed this way because of Titanic’s design including its strong design and keeping in mind the various flaws. The fire had absolutely nothing to do with the damage the warping was not on the bulkheads but was only on the coal bunker itself. The photograph shown was also not a result of the fire it is just the way the light reflected. The location highlighted is actually where the mail room was and it was not on fire. It’s also very important to note that the fire was not a blazing inferno but rather a smoldering fire. The boat situation was a result of optimism of the era. They believed if an accident where evacuation was necessary there would be a ship near enough to help transfer passengers long before a ship sank. Lifeboats were not for passengers to survive in but were just meant to ferry passengers to another ship. This belief would have been fine had there not been a coal strike going on. Many ships were in port due to the coal shortage and passengers were being transferred to larger ships to save on coal. I seriously expected you guys to have better research.
Any deep research would have lead them to discover that they didn't even have time to get the 2 collapsibles launched. They floated off the deck. They didn't have TIME to launch more boats.
... and yeah... you're correct. The bunker fire had jack to do with the dining.
From diverse sources I understood :
- that the thing with the binoculars are a bit of a myth. Yes one pair of binoculars was locked as was the custom when ships were ashore because of fear of theft. The sailor responsible for this pair of binoculars was left at the last port and he didn't gave the keys back. BUT, they had more than one AND it was good practice not to use binoculars because when you are watching for icebergs, you want to have a large field of view and nothing to make the low visibility even worse : you need naked eyes. Binoculars were useful only when you had seen the obstacle and you needed to see details of this obstacle. So the thing with binoculars is not a thing in the end.
- there were not enough seats in the lifenoats for a very good reason : lifeboats were not made to save you in case of sinking. Tiny lifeboats (compared to the massive ship that was Titanic) wouldn'tt last long in the middle of the ocean. Lifeboats were designed to shuttle people to one damaged ship to another ship which has come for the rescue. There was no need to have more lifeboats because the enventuality of having a ship like the Titanic sinking before a rescue ship arrived was very unlikely (remember this was a well treaded route). For such an unlikely event, it would have been foolish to put more lifeboats, not only because it was expensive, but also because it was more dangerous than otherwise : to fit more lifeboats, you would have had to pile the lifeboats one on top of the other, which would have made their launching tedious and perilous. If the ship would have listed (which it did) the life boats would have been moving a lot : better to have only one to launch with one crane than several dangling one on top of the other. And btw, when the ship listed, only one half of the boats were available because on one side, they would have bumped on the hull of the ship.
About the coalbunker fire on the Titanic, the black thing circled on the pictre has nothing to do with it, since it is absolutely not where the fire was located. It was below the watter line and further aft. It is just a shadow or something else.
Moreover, the iceberg opened a breach in the compartment after the mensioned coalbunker so even if there were no fire, Titanic was still doomed.
And I the iron rivets is a myth.
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Lots of stuff that’s taken out of context here. Maybe some of these topics should have taken a bit longer than a few minutes to cover.
Can someone please educate the guy about the Titanic? There are multible significant mistakes he made but I dont have the time right now to go through them...
Lincoln's speech was made during a campaign for the senate. I don't see any reason to think that this reflected any real beliefs of his. He was trying to get the support of the listeners. I'm not saying that they were not his real reliefs, either. During political campaigns people say all kinds of weird things to get themselves elected.
Was there an iceberg and did they fail to swap insurance information, because allegedly, that iceberg did a hit and run that led to that young lady not sharing her debris with jack.
now there's a myth that has lingered on. the truth is that the "debris" she was on had to be made oversized just to keep her out of the water.
There is missing context and misinformation about Titanic it's not even funny. A little googling would have gone along way.
"The British are coming!"
"Unlike your wife, LOL!"
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"Well maybe don't wake people up in the middle of the night, Paul!"
schabowski is a german legend XD i love how its also the ideal trope of german lawmakers creating the most convoluted sentences in human history... Schabowski even reads the note and nobody in the room knows wtf he's saying after a young journalist asks if the law is effective immediately and he says yeah
If you look at Britain and former colonies, you may notice the prevalence of the names Essex, Wessex, Middlesex and Sussex.
If you've noticed there's a direction missing, that's because it would be Nossex, and no one wants that, so it's Northumberland instead.
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I know it is a modern phrase to say; A disaster is not cost by a single event, but a chain of events that leads up to the disaster. However, in the case of the Titanic, I don't think any of the chains of events you describe, had any influence on the sinking of the Titanic. That honor have to be go to the iceberg. It was that single event that lead to the loss of the ship. Nothing else.
More lifeboats wouldnt have done anything on titanic. They didn't even have time to get the collapsibles launched. A second, inboard row of boats would have further slowed the loading process (as did the enclosed boat deck sections) and they would have gotten even fewer people off.
All that would have happened is the titanic would have went down with 20 or so boats still attached to the deck.
Even if they broke loose, they would have popped up amongst the masses and been swamped.
They got the maximum number off that they likely could have.
They could have gotten more people into the boats they did launch. It wouldn't have saved everyone but it would have saved a few more lives.
@user-gl5dq2dg1j if they could have gotten a sense of urgency going earlier and went with "women and childern first" on both sides of the boat deck instead of "women and children only", they may have had a few dozen more. That's certainly true. But i hear the "if they only had more lifeboats" comment all the time, and it's just not true.
A lot of what this guy said about Titanic was wrong. The coal fire in no way, shape, or form impacted the sinking. The "warped hull" on the photo was just a smudge. The steel used for the hull was top grade for the time. It was used specifically because it could bend and sway with the water. That way a big wave wouldn't capsize the ship. As for the binoculars, they would have been more of a hindrance than an asset to the watches. It was a moonless night, pitch black except for a few stars. If the watches were to look through a pair of binoculars, all they would've seen was black. What they were looking for was more or less a spot above the horizon where the stars weren't visible, indicating an iceberg. Now there was a cold water mirage that provided a false horizon, making the iceberg visible later than it should have been, but this guy didn't mention that at all. Also whoever is telling the story that the captain ordered the ship to sail directly into the iceberg is silly. Captain Edward J. Smith was asleep at the time of the collision. Officer Murdoch was the officer on duty, and he tried to veer away from the iceberg, it was just too late.
Excellent insights! Can’t wait for you to explain how man never landed on the Moon, how the World Trade Center was an “inside job,” and how the earth is actually flat. (I’ve looked out over the ocean when I’m at the beach and, indeed, you can tell it’s flat!) Keep up the good work.
The Titanic 'crash' did happen solely due to it's collision with the iceberg ... it didn't hit anything else, the actual reason for sinking is another matter!
The trouble with attempting to debunk historical myths is the risk of making straw-man arguments: one has to make gross generalizations of what exactly the history books teach, or what people believe at large. This is especially characteristic of American Civil War scholarship and analysis of Abraham Lincoln (whose words are often taken out of context).
Lincoln said clearly both before and after the war that his aim was always to reunite the states, whether or not the slaves were freed in the process.
The other strategic aspect a lot of people forget about with the Emancipation Proclamation was that it drew glaring attention to the Confederacies war time stance on slavery as they were starting to get close to building alliances with Britain and France. Historians say that the South wouldn't really have been able to win the war even with a few turns of fate, but if I remember correctly they do think it would have been more likely if Britain and France gave them stronger support against the union. By making the Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln shifted the war's purpose globally to be about slavery, and European countries couldn't really provide support for a country still supporting slavery. it cut them off from European support.
Keep in mind that Britain is the reason the Atlantic slave trade was shut down. While they were building ships for the confederacy, it was all very hush hush. It also helped that there was high yields of cotton in Egypt at the time.
@@user-gl5dq2dg1j Yea, they were trying to keep the public face about it a secret, but it was, if I remember right, seeming like a threat that they and France would eventually legitimize the confederacy by recognizing them as a sovereign nation and provide more support, mostly because their trade with the south for textiles. So the Emancipation Proclamation was a deterrent for that.
The US and Britain had extraordinarily strong economic ties even back then. The US bought a lot of machinery from Britain and they bought a lot of food from the US. There really wasn't a realistic situation where they would have blatantly sided against the US outside of pressuring for a peace deal.
Abe drew attention to the fact the south started the war because of slavery. By making the proclamation he reminded everyone.
Abe's attitude doesn't prove the war wasn't about slavery. It absolutely was.
What it does prove is that morons (Southern Leaders) were making policy based on conspiracy theories long before Trump, Greg Abbot , or Tennessee Republicans.
@@firestorm117side note of something a lot of people miss that you pointed out. The Confederacy would only have become a legitimate sovereign nation in its own right when foreign countries decided it was legitimate. So i guess another bit of genius in the Proclamation was delegitimizing the Confederacy in the eyes of the UK and France.
Thank you Simon, that was a most enjoyable episode. Please keep them coming!
Hungary had to open the border to facilitate the F1 Grand Prix that started in 1986. They were never able to reclose it. Bernie Eccelstone helped bring down The Wall...
And to think my first active duty station was in Germany as an 18 year old private when all this went down.
Regarding Lincoln, prior to the Civil War, he did sign a bill that said all blacks born after a certain date would not be slaves, thereby allowing slavery to eventually die off as there would be no new legal slaves. During the Civil War, the Confederacy started winning, and they were gaining support in Europe. The Emancipation Proclamation came about as a strategic maneuver. By declaring all Confederate slaves free, something he could only guarantee if the Union won, he changed the war. It was no longer about the South trying to be their own country, it was now about slavery, and every European country that previously supported the South had to withdraw their support, because they didn't want to appear to support slavery.
Not until he drafted the Corwyn bill.
I don't know about that. The South weren't exactly shy about how important slavery was to them, hell, they went out of their way to make it clear that they only really cared about the preservation and expansion of slavery in their own declarations. I doubt any nation supporting the CSA would have changed their tunes after the Emancipation Proclamation since the South's goal was already stated to be about keeping slavery from the start.
@@floydian218 yes, but the Union's goal wasn't originally about abolishing slavery. So, if the Union won, slavery wasn't changing right away. However, with the Emancipation Proclamation, the Union's stance on slavery was clear. If they won, slavery was over. So, originally, it didn't matter who foreign powers supported, it wasn't a slavery issue. After that, it became a slavery issue.
Cassius Marcellus Clay was the one who pushed Lincoln into signing the emancipation proclamation, since France and England were giving aid to the Confederate army that's when Russia sent its naval fleet to San Francisco bay to assist the Union army. The American civil war also started WW1.
Inaccurate. The US government outlawed foreign slave trade in 1805. Slavery was going to end with the death of the last slave in the US long before Lincoln became president. Lincoln DID offer the Corwin amendment to attempt to prevent secession, which would have made slavery entirely up to the states (for the time it could co to use). The Emancipation Proclamation was carefully written to be entirely symbolic, it didn’t free a single slave. Keep in mind that at the time, slavery was still legal in most of the northern states as well.
I would like to show you a photo of a superior mirage but I can’t download the photo.
I would suggest you search up images of superior mirages. The light bending associated with a superior mirage - which is caused by warm air going over a cold sea can make a massive container ship disappear.
The binoculars would not have made any difference if this is what the crew was faced with. Weather records kept by a German ship suggest that conditions were ripe for just such a phenomenon to occur.
Paul Revere also didn't ride the full length of the poem gives him credit for, just before his capture the daughter of one of the Revolutionaries (Americans) agreed to ride the rest of Paul's route to raise the alarms (something the poems and romanticised textbooks usually leave out of the story). The warning was a major group effort Paul was just at the center of it.
And he was only one of 3 or so riders supposed to ride out.
Please check your sources when doing research for videos like these. The Titanic fire theory has disproven for years now as has the myth of poor construction. Yes there was coal fire aboard (Specifically the forward coal bunker of boiler room #5) but it did not contribute to the ship's loss. The photo you show at 8:43 does not show fire damage. The dark spot circled there is believed to have been caused by smudge on the camera lens as there are additional photos taken the same day from similar angles where it is not present. Additionally that dark spot is not even in the correct area to be a coal fire as it is located by the ship's mail room and 3rd class berthing on G Deck.
There is also no evidence to suggest that the fire compromised the ship's watertight integrity and even if had it would not have caused the ship to sink by itself. The collision with the iceberg damaged the first 6 watertight compartments. The coal fire was located in the 6th compartment damaged but Titanic was only designed to stay afloat if the first 4 compartments were flooded. The ship was doomed regardless. And as a side note the crew had managed to get the flooding under control in the 6th compartment indicating that the adjacent bulkhead was not seriously compromised by fire damage if at all. It wasn't until water rose above the top of that bulkhead and started pouring down from above that they were forced to abandon that compartment.
The Lincoln one is complicated. According to some historian lectures I’ve listened to he was trying to win an election. He was already controversial, had he been too outspoken he could’ve lost, and thank God he didn’t.
The more interesting issue with Lincoln is he ran an election during wartime, when he could’ve put it off, but he didn’t plan correctly as he ran with an opposing party as his VP, thinking that would gain him favor and bring people together. So when Lincoln was assassinated, Andrew Johnson took office, he was pro slavery, thus how long it took for full emancipation, the KKK being so successful, and Jim Crow. Lincoln didn’t plan for his possible death, and everything he worked for was slowed, and many more people continued to suffer, because of it.
Whoever you listened to was an idiot. The Lincoln/Douglas debates didn’t occur during the war. Lincoln was clear about his agnosticism towards slavery both before and after the war, and he was strongly in favor of returning freed slaves to Africa.
Some of your info on the Titanic is inaccurate. The channel Oceanliner Designs has dozens of videos explaining everything there is to know about the Titanic.
There’s also the fact that titanic was only designed to take damage in FOUR watertight compartments, and the iceberg caused damage in FIVE compartment
I'm sorry, man, but this Titanic segment is all wrong. You need to retract this.
1) Nobody has ever said the Titanic charged at the iceberg. It has been known exactly what events transpired on the bridge in the lead up to the collision in detail from the very beginning at the inquiries. More importantly, nobody said the captain did anything, because he wasn't on the bridge when the collision occurred.
2) Ships turn based on the amount of water passing over their rudder. The Titanic, sailing at speed, could turn better than she could if slowed down. This is why captains always sailed at full speed in icy conditions, because ice is usually visible to lookouts in plenty of time. The Titanic came up against a mirage, black ice, and a flat calm, and she still only barely scraped against it.
3) The Mesaba ice warning is the subject of controversy. Lightoller said that he didn't receive the warning, but Bride said he did, and that Phillips delivered it. Lightoller also lied about the events of the sinking to protect the company, and this would have been just another lie to for the same reason, on top of just being in his own interest. There was no typo. And regardless, even if it had been received, it would not have changed how the ship was sailing.
4) Phillips replied "Shut up, shut up, I am working Cape Race." This is a strange thing to get wrong, almost as if it was reworded to explain it to people in the audience who don't know what Cape Race is... But it's displayed on the screen like a quote? This is irresponsible.
5) Binoculars would not have helped the Titanic's lookouts. Binoculars were used to verify sightings, and the iceberg seemed to just appear in the distance, easily visible to the naked eye. Binoculars reduce your frame of view, and are not good for searching an environment.
6) It was an extremely cold night, very few portholes would have been opened. We've not found any evidence on the wreck of ports being open below the superstructure- In fact people testified that lights remained on in rooms under the water, implying that the ports were shut.
7) The Titanic did not have brittle steel. This has been widely debunked in various documentaries that were motivated to 'prove' the brittle steel, and had to come back empty-handed. Despite it not being up to modern standard, the Titanic sank almost entirely intact until the very end, with enormous forces being applied to her hull. The rivets in particular have been tested thoroughly because the initial theory about the ice damage was that the rivets 'popped' off, opening seams in the plates. This has not been substantiated in tests done to the same steel that has been on the bottom of the Atlantic for a century, let alone in April 1912.
8) There are no reports of the Titanic leaking seawater. I don't even know where you got this idea from, I've never heard it before in decades of research and being immersed in this topic, and couldn't find anything on Google.
9) And here we go, the Titanic fire theory... Aside from it being exhaustively debunked by various sources as a cause for the disaster, the fire caused coal to be transferred to the port (left) side of the ship, which counteracted the flooding and prevented the Titanic from capsizing before a single lifeboat had been lowered.
10) The picture you used of the supposed fire damage is multiple decks above the iceberg damage AND the fire, and is well before the Titanic had the fire in the first place, being that she's unladen, her anti-fouling paint is well out of the water, implying she hasn't even been loaded up yet. Her full complement of coal would have weighed her down considerably.
11) The crew underfilled the lifeboats because of their urgency, not reticence. The idea was they would return to the ship and pick up more people. This did not eventuate. The Titanic sank out from underneath her last two lifeboats, so more also wouldn't have saved more lives.
Atrocious. Almost everything was wrong. I've enjoyed this channel for years, and now that it touches on my topic, I find it's horribly researched and filled with fictions. It's got me wondered how much you've misinformed me on other things!
A lot. His team's notorious for errors like making videos on airplanes and showing photos of the wrong airplane. And I personally love the American Revolution of 1766. It wasn't as bad back when there were just 3 channels but the more Team Simon grows the sloppier they've been getting
the titanic did have brittle steel. I recall reading an analysis in which they did a test that measures the toughness of steel by striking a sample with a pendulum and measuring the deflection. samples of steel retrieved from the wrenc and samples from slugs cut from rivet holes and kept as souvenirs both shattered in testing. now this does not mean substandard construction - the explanation given was that they mistakenly correlated hardness with toughness, and the unintended consequence was that the hull cracked instead of denting.
however, you are correct that nobody serious says the captain rammed the iceberg deliberately - that story has grown from people questioning whether their would have been a better result if it had been a direct hit instead of a glancing blow.
@@kenbrown2808 The Titanic had more brittle steel than today's materials, it was higher in impurities. The test you're referring to is from 1995, I'm familiar with it, but it's one thing to say the steel was brittle in a mechanical sense and another to say the ship itself was 'brittle' in the way you or I would use it.
In practice, the Titanic held up ridiculously well. She broke apart under stresses orders of magnitude above her expected limits, and she tore herself to pieces when she did, rather than simply cracking cleanly.
I am baffled about the line about ramming the berg. Obviously I've come into contact with the speculation, but the captain was never involved. Every source has an obligatory disclaimer that says "Murdoch would never do this, it'd be madness of the highest order." Even a cursory reading would reveal it to be false.
Glad he spoke about that midnight ride because that story spun completely out of control.
This was always the goal. It was meant to inspire people and create a sense of unity behind a legend who filled a role that no individual would have ever been able to on their own. To show people what a single man can do when he fights for something he believes in. For the unifying fight for freedom, he did the unthinkable- and so can we all.
@@PeepersonCreedo No freedom in a state, so it's a red herring from the very beginning
@@PeepersonCreedo It wasn't meant for that, as it didn't come until long after the revolution. It was meant to try to keep the union together.
@@maxxdahl6062 that’s like saying: “the point of calling the police is not to get someone to help you, that just happens after the fact. The reason we call the police is so that our tax dollars aren’t being wasted”
Just because the effect didn’t take place *immediately* doesn’t negate the purpose of the story being told the way it was
@@PeepersonCreedo I wasn't talking about the effect, I was talking about the time period that came to be and the methods. if you watched chapter one, it just said the shouting, etc flat out didn't happen.
I feel like the misunderstanding between the officers on either side of the ship when they were deploying the lifeboats made a huge difference
The whole bit about the rivets and the fire are bullshit.
The best opening line at a social gathering. Titanic! It breaks the ice at parties. 😊
The issue here is that almost everything he said here is just false or lies... I'm expecting more research from this channel
@@whillard2447 What does that have to do with the OP?
@@maxxdahl6062 nothing with opening a discussion about Titanic, but don’t spread misinformation like this video does
@@whillard2447 His post had nothing to do with the factual content of the video, he was posting a joke you tell at a party.
@@maxxdahl6062 yes, but you’re still posting under a video that spread misinformation - so is it bad to tell that some people are just lying or telling false things over this topic?
Story 1:
Revere: "It's a warning you are dead if you proceed"
British Army: "Oh really chap, well best not keep them waiting"
Revere: "Wait your just letting me go?"
British Army: "Well certainly, we have an appointment with death."
Gee now wonder we won.
You almost had me with your April Fool's prank about Titanic!
For a minute I was dismayed that you actually believed some of the most godawful balderdash out there regarding Titanic...
wait...
It is an April Fool's joke, right..?
Right..?
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I knew it!
No other ship in history has ever been sunk by a lettuce.
Although Liz Truss came pretty close to sink the stationary aircraft carrier known as Great Britain. 😁
Perhaps not, but 30ish years later, potatoes did help sink a boat.
I had never heard of the Titanic being on fire before. You learn something new everyday (most of us do anyway.)
Good documentary about it from 2012 called Titanic: Case Closed. I think it on Disney plus
Yes, but many experts debunk(er) this theory, the fire wasn't a decisive factor.
The fact is the process of punching the rivet holes in a brittle steel created micro fractures making their strength and binding strength considerably below standard. The rivits too were also inferior. There was a slice in the hull, but it was not 300 ft., however the sheard heads and brittle steel split apart along something around 300 ft allowing massive amounts of sea water to flood the supposed water tight sealed compartment. As a student and graduate of Material Science and Metalography I attended all classes and lectures given by my then to be friend George VanDervoot the basic Father of Modern Metalography. George gave us a lecture on hull samples, rivits, and punched hull sections from Titanic that he and his team examined after Titanic's discovery.
Ha! I tell people about Lincoln saying that! Thanks for including it!
Man Simon really doesnt think before posting, just a content farm. Yes there were a series of errors with the Titanic but if the iceberg wasnt hit a mild leak (tho its widely belived/debunked that there was none due to coal fire) it wouldnt have sunk. Getting my unsub
Yeah he seems like a bellend
1) A coal bunker fire existed when the ship sailed. The coal fire that existed was very minor and they are EXTREMELY COMMON. Ships often sailed with a coal bunker fire. 2) The ship was not weakened by poor metal. In fact the ship used the highest standard steel and the finest materials that existed at the time. White Star INSISTED that no expense was to be cut. The ship's construction was done to the finest levels of the era. The British Navy paid a lot toward the ship's construction to provide troop transports and/or hospital ships in times of war. Naval standards, which were above commercial standards, were demanded. 3) Capt. Smith was actually being careful on this trip and didn't push the ship to make a run for The Blue Ribbon. Proceeding under full speed and not slowing down for icebergs was 1,000% the standard of fine ship captains of the day. Capt. Smith was among the finest or THE finest captain at sea. 4) Another common mistaken idea is that binoculars in the lookout nest would have made a difference. Ships normally, even at 30 mph, were able to see the icebergs in time. Crew members found it easier to spot the icebergs without the binoculars. Due to this the binoculars not being in the crows nest was also very common on many ship types. 5) Unfortunately the specific iceberg that was struck was a "Black Berg." This reference means that the iceberg had flipped over creating a more difficult one to see. 6) 100% correct that with more wave action it creates more white breakers and aids in seeing the berg. It this particular case it would not have made any difference in preventing the accident. Please read further. 7) 100% that the Titanic didn't have enough lifeboats for everyone. It was only about enough for half of the passengers. The concept behind the law then was that the ship itself was supposed to be a big lifeboat until help arrives. Their idea and not mine. Combining this with all the promotion of the "unsinkable" Titanic and the "lite" hit which opened a slit across six compartments, the passengers didn't believe the crew at all when they told them to get into the lifeboats. The hit was "lite" because it didn't crash head on of the massive size of the ship. 8) The Titanic was built to survive collisions. The engineers expected it to be a head on one. If it collided with the berg head on it would have survived. 9) Portholes - While some portholes were open, the only thing they did is to speed up the sinking a bit. The ship was sinking with or without the portholes. 10) Bulkheads - History was reviewed by White Star. They found that no ship had any more than four compartments damaged in an accident, iceberg etc. Given the design only planned to handle four compartments, the bulkheads were not made high enough to stop the water going over the top. In order to stop this problem the design would have been up high enough for passengers to go through water tight doors. White Star and designers decide that interference in the passengers would not be needed given the study. 11) All Stop - When the ship sighted the iceberg it did hit All Stop but it also then hit full astern. This had a terrible affect. If they only had hit full stop, the ship would have either cleared the iceberg outright or at least lessened the damage enough so it would not have sunk.
12) The number one reason for a) the Titanic to slow down and b) why the Titanic sunk would be a false horizon with a superior mirage. The area where ships from the USA heading across the Atlantic follow runs right into the Labrador current which carries bergs into the shipping lanes and freezing cold current. It is well known area for these mirages. When the German shipping records were checked for the same day as the Titanic and the general area and time, these records show false horizons reported by their captains in their log books. 13) One more reason that this makes complete sense is the behavior of the Californian and her Captain Stanley Lord. He was the closest to be able to help the Titanic that night. He saw a ship but it was far too near, from Titanic's reported information, and way too small. Capt. Lord also knew that there were only two ships in his area that had a radio - those two were the Titanic and the Californian. Because of the Capt. Lord attempted to contact this small freighter with a signal lamp but never received a reply because the Titanic never saw it with the mirage. 14) The lack of clouds complicated the matter. The stars above were twinkling per the survivors. a) The mirage left only stars and a water horizon visible to the Titanic dead ahead. b) If there was any chance for the Californian to see the signal lamp of the Titanic it was ended by the stars and the superior mirage. All the Californian ever saw was flickering stars.
I did attempt to review everything above as I mentioned before. There were a number of typos and a few other errors that were cleaned up. Embarrassingly so I typed Cunard instead of White Star when I knew better. TY @RogerRoving. It hurt my pride but that was my fault. I did remember one more piece that I added.
Please forgive me for any typos, grammatical errors or errors in content as I am only human and not an A. I. All information was cited in good faith.
The Titanic was a White Star ship. Not a Cunarder.
@@RogerRoving My bad. I was so involved trying to remember everything I was trying to say. TY I will edit it but I wanted to acknowledge my error. TY
It's nice to see your side projects coming out