David Lynch's DUNE (1984) | LynchPins Ep 3
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In this episode, Maggie and Adam cover David Lynch's 1984 space opera, DUNE, starring Kyle McLachlan and a pug dog. It’s a bombastic, weird, confusingly paced adaptation of Frank Herbert’s classic novel. It's no Star Wars! But can we find something to love about it??
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6:50 What Happened? | Plot summary
1:07:30 What Really Happened? | Digging into the movie
1:27:00 Wait… What? | REALLY digging in
1:35:38 The Spotlight | Connections to Lynch's other films
1:43:23 Ending / Credits
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I know this is the most inane question to ask on a thoughtful video, but your eyeshadow is so pretty and i need to know what it is...please?
i wish i could remember!!
Or: The first canonical appearance of Hollywood superstar, international sexy man, and David Lynch's homemade Tulpa: Kyle MacLachlan
He is beautiful and angular. If he were a gas, he'd be inert.
KALE
Also known as Kale!
They gave us a glossary before watching this in the theater. This is a steep learning curve of a film that has the oddest pacing of all time.
Whaaaaat
No shit? That's kind of amazing. What a trip. Something I'm sure you would never, ever see again.
I still have mine.
My big brother took me to see this in the theatres when I was 12...
I'm still trying to recover...
@@obnoxiouspriest Actually it was a quiet admission that test audiences were deeply confused. The thing that should be blowing your mind is that they made toys for this movie aping Kenner and "Star Wars"; you could get a plastic jointed sandworm.
Important note that makes things make a lot more sense. Computers and AI are illegal in Dune galaxy because of a robot rebellion. That's what makes Spice important. It allows the navigators and Mentats (face paint guys) to do ehat machines used to do. I don't think either movie makes this clear.
You see Freddie Jones (Thufur, the Atreides Mentat) doing some computer -like stuff in one scene but that's it and you get no explanation (unless you saw the three hour expanded edition with the prologue that gives a little history, explains what the Beni Gesserit are and what the Spacing Guild is, and why the plot is happening at all.) Makes you wish that Robert Wise had directed it instead.
One of the edits has Piter reciting the Mentat chant, but with no real context about what the Mentats are 😅
@@LordVolkov Yes, I forgot that. On-screen titles explaining who is what would have helped, but totally against how Lynch works. If you haven't read the novel, the whole backstory of Wellington Yueh (the Atreides doctor with the poison tooth implant for Leto) makes no sense. The Harkonnens broke him from his "do no harm, tell no lies" training as a ""Suk doctor", and it's driven him nuts. Details that were big things in the novel are dropped for time.
Iirc, mentats actually get their powers from a different Space Drug, that's what stains their lips - Sapho Juice from the planet Ecaz.
@@ApparentAstuteness Suffering Sappho.
Gotta go Dune Person here, but also keeping perspective as a Lynch person.
It boggles my mind that David Lynch, of all people, told this story as a straightforward hero’s journey tale. The book is a criticism of those things: Paul spends the whole book trying to control the destructive nature of the path in front of him, but due to a combination of factors including his breeding, his training, the religious manipulation of the Fremen by his mother’s faction, and most damning for Paul his own desire for revenge and the instinctive urge to seek a position of power for one’s own self preservation, he is almost totally unable to contain or control the destruction unleashed on the Galaxy in the form of the Fremen jihad in his name.
If Lost Highway era David Lynch had made Dune, we would’ve gotten a Paul more unsettling and terrifying than we got even in the Villeneuve movies (where they very much were going for that). I don’t know how much of the characterization is because David Lynch just didn’t sit with the book long enough to get that aspect (it is… a slog, if you’re not down with the style of writing) or if it was a studio mandate to keep the morality a little more Hollywood, but it’s the biggest drain on the movie and accounts for many of the things the book fans complain about.
100% agree. But I think Lynch in his heart loves the simple American Hollywood story. He plays with it and complicates it in his own work but he believes in it as a core principle. Same reason he has never been able to handle race in his films - he has the kernal of white 50s suburban Americana at heart.
my guess would be the latter. I think they wanted to make Dune into a relatively uncomplicated adventure film like Star Wars.
Great analysis! Now I will forever miss that true Lychian Maud'dib that could've been
"Flash, ahhh ahhh, he'll save every one of us!"
David Lynch's Flash Gordon would have worked.
my favorite moment during this movie is - when Kyle Machlachlan is being tested with the gom jabbar - to show that his character is in deep pain, he shouts “PAIN!”
Masterclass filmmaking right there.
I like when the opening monologue is happening, she fades out, then "Oh, Wait!".
Unironically laugh every time.
There's some literal gold in this film. It definitely isn't meritless.
Also, choosing Toto to do the film score?
WILD.
You can almost tell that was shot and edited in by the studio. That doesn't feel like a Lynch thing to do, and I can understand why he never did a film again without final cut.
That was the exact moment I knew he was in pain!
@@obnoxiouspriestand then he pained all over the place.
He's shouting "The Pain" to the Reverend Mother in front of him because she's the only one that can release him from it at that moment.
I _think_ that the comments above are reminiscent to me of thickos I come across sometimes who spread snarky memes meant to misrepresent things that aren't funny between each other. People laugh along with them because they think they should, not because there is inherently anything amusing going on. Meme brains generated through group think.
@@eustacequinlank7418 Dune is probably my favorite fiction series period. I’ve read the books, I’ve seen all the films, I’ve even watched the 2000 miniseries.
David Lynch’s Dune has a lot going for it. It’s visually stunning and has some of the most elaborate set pieces I’ve ever seen. But it’s undeniable that the narrative isn’t even a shadow of its source material.
Frankly I’m tired of the argument that “if you didn’t like it you obviously didn’t get it.” No, I do understand the film. I understand Dune quite well. The 1984 film is fun and entertaining, but I cannot in good conscience say it’s a well-told story.
IN THIS HOUSE LYNCH'S DUNE IS A MASTERPIECE, END OF STORY
But no seriously I love this movie. I saw it in the mid 80's, whenever it first appeared on HBO or whatever. I was astounded by how weird it was and how fearless. I immediately devoured the books, which I probably never would've read if it hadn't been for this movie. It means a lot to me, warts and all.
It's not my favorite Lynch film, that's probably Blue Velvet, but Dune will always have a special place in my heart. Fucking haters.
I just folded space from Ix and boy are my arms tired. *rimshot*
THIS guy gets it.👆
Today I learned that David Lynch is like super into women. Really loves them. What a guy.
Lol
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You say Dune is a "bad movie," but I say "battle pug"
Also Maggie, you were great in Identiteaze (which was uniformly 👍👍)
Dean Stockwell is criminally underrated as Yueh, but I think the greatest crime is that the film didn't have more of the bulk of the book that takes place before the betrayal/attack happens. The buildup of emotion and the dinner scene with all of Dune/Arrakis' ruling class would have suited Lynch's predilections a lot more than focusing on the moments of action in the novel. I loved most of the costumes and sets, especially the rococo imperial aethetics, and if he'd have had two films and no pressure to pour in Star-Warsy action scenes, I think he could have made a science fiction film he wouldn't feel so badly about and would probably be as much of a 'cult classic' today.
Agree. Although I think you can't do the book justice in one movie. There is just too much content and as they said it is very plot driven so you can't really cut out significant parts without lessening the impact or having the story make no sense.
@@michaeldebellis4202 100% agreed on the need for two films!
"It's weird, and bad, and a big epic picture, and it feels like it could've been made fifty years ago." I mean, the start of its development WAS fifty years ago, more or less.
Man, I unironically love Lynch's Dune.
You are not alone my friend. There are handfuls of us, handfuls!
Was stunned to hear they didn't like it, it's marvelous! 😭 literally fast forwarded to see if they were mistaken about the version
Yeah I don't really understand why people don't like Lynch's Dune. I love it's campiness and it's so much fun to watch.
Lynch's Dune is one of my absolute favorite movies, the guild navigator scenes EPIC!
Alia in the midst of battle hellfire basking in the glory with a bloodied crysknife, EASILY my favorite scene from the entire movie.
Agreed! I feel even more odd for only liking Lynch's Dune. Don't care for the books, not interested in the new Dune movies.
Regarding the space guild, their existence makes more sense when you understand that in universe not everyone can bend time and space just by ingesting melange. The guild navigators (the ones floating in the big tanks) are the only ones that can safely bend space and time but they had to ingest massive amounts of melange to do so. So the guild is less oil company analoge and more like the monopoly that controls all space travel.
And yeah, the film does a really poor job of communicating a lot of details of how the universe of Dune works.
Maggie, you said it yourself you read books. I implore you to read the novel and do a little book report plus movie comparison for us. Everyone would love it, I'm sure. Including you. No doubt.
Another reason for the shield that I can't remember if it's mentioned in the Lynch film: if a laser hits the shield, there's a weird reaction where both the shield and the laser gun explode with the same energy as a nuclear weapon. Which discourages people from using lasers. Which is a complication from the book which results in some silly plot holes. Like, they make a big deal about the "family atomics", but why are the family atomics special when you can achieve the same result by duct-taping a laser gun to a shield generator and making it fire on a timer?
It is very funny how, due to licensing malarkey, this movie had a huge effect on how Dune games looked for more than a decade.
The rights to make games based on this movie got traded around so Westwood made three different RTS games based on this movie sort of but they are also massive AU with a very different conflict on Arrakis and an extra House thrown into the mix.
The boardgame is KILLER and even got some (bad) Sting box art.
@@psbauman The game by Avalon Hill? Yeah it does a good job of capturing the scheming the great houses get up to.
Loved the Dune RTS.
Dune was made 40 years ago and Lawrence of Arabia 62 years ago, so 50 years ago is almost in the middle 😅
Virginia Madsen narrates because Paul marries her to ascend to the throne. Which the movie left out, of course. And the worm “shovel” (hook) exposes the tender skin under the hard surface, causing the worm to turn away.
Kinda. It's because Irulan is the in-universe biographer of Paul and every chapter of Dune begins with a quote from her books.
It's been forever since I saw it so I'm probably wrong but I thought he hooked up with Sean Young?
No, she narrates it because in the book she's the one, who chronicled Paul's story. And in the book she introduces every chapter and we also know pretty much nothing about her until the end. So this part is just true to the source material.
@@michaeldebellis4202She was his concubine, he marries the emperor's daughter. Keep up, man 😜
@@michaeldebellis4202 "But us, Chani - called concubines now - history will call wives."
Aghhhh, it was kinda painful to watch y'all wondering why princess princess Irulan was narrating when it was so prominent and meaningful in the books. But sure, yeah,.. as a movie in isolation it is wonky. The new Dune movies seem to be notably diverging from the books which was unexpected but they may stand on their own better.
They’re speaking from a movie experience, not the book. Even if you read the book it’s weird to see it play out through a new medium. Regardless if you understand everything beforehand.
"You young pup!"
“Gurney man!!”
Hope the extended version on nebula mentions the Lynchyest signature in Dune and most of his work. A subtly unhinged performance from Jack Nance! Playing every part in a way no other performer ever could, would or even should. I always love to see it.
I'm not sure that I understand the confusion about the opening scene.
One of the guys is the head of state and the guy in the fish tank is the power behind the throne who really pulls the strings.
The Emperor's plan was to prevent the head of the house Atreides from committing a coup against him.
By giving house Atreides dominion over Dune he invokes the wrath of their biggest rivals, the Harkonnens, upon them - deliberately creating a war that will thin out their military forces and either consign them to oblivion, or leave them with too much power for anyone else to join in on their plot.
The Emperor has to allow someone else to control the spice because it would grant the state far too much power, so nobody is going to participate in a coup against the state that will lead to a greater consolidation of power than the existing status quo that they're plotting against.
The mistake was ultimately in thinking that the coup they had planned was between Atreides the other noble houses and not the indigenous people of the planet who were completely disregarded.
I get that the film doesn't give you the specifics of what specific titles everyone holds, but it's not really that important. The film is very general with this stuff in a way that I feel is fairly deliberate because it's really trying to serve as a relatively direct metaphor for capitalist imperialism and the oil industry, not a complex political thriller.
I know that it looks like it's trying to be that at points, but it's really more of a parody of old Hollywood biblical epics that reimagines them in a similar way to how the Adam West version of Batman took inspiration from old serials that would play between screenings of films people wanted to see alongside the news.
"I don't understand the confusion"
*types out 7 paragraphs explaining the plot*
@@Apotheosis01 I literally just paraphrased the scene and embellished it with some of the aspects that were implied due to the setting being modeled on European aristocratic traditions where the absolute monarch assigns duties to their couriers/vassals.
As a Dune fan, the intro saying you won't be analyzing it from the perspective of knowing other Dune material was relieving. I come here for the (somewhat unhinged) analysis of weird ass movies. While other Dune material adds plenty of that, I would not want a LynchPins Dune comparisons video. (Although, if you want to do some Dune content, I would for sure watch it. It probably gets weirder than any Lynch material after the first few books.)
Is this an analysis tho? I only saw two people screaming "LOL THAT THING BAD" while talking over each other.
I think the biggest issue with this movie is that Dune has, like two or three extremely important, foundational elements to the universe that make so much of the confusing stuff make sense, but the movie just didn't have time/a filmable way to communicate them. It also just decided to fucking blast through everything with the Fremen, which is pretty much the actual story.
They should have removed the Usil naming part like the 2000s sci fi channel did and stick to just Muad'Dib. Save time and confusion.
If you’ve read the books or even just seen the new movies this version legit plays like an Atreides propaganda film produced during the Fremen Jihad to drum up support for the genocide of any cultures, religions, or planets that showed resistance.
It’s like that world’s Starship Troopers but not made as satire.
@matthewhearn9910 My friend and I recently had this same thought when we watched the Lynch version.
Agree
I love that, of all Lynch's movies, you guys decided to do 0.0% research on the only film of his where answers to the insanity can be easily googled and answered.
10/10 no notes
My favorite memory from seeing this movie in the theater is the majority of the audience who hadn’t read the book laughing at the dramatic ending when it rained.
As someone who read the book, laughing at the end of the movie is an entirely appropriate reaction. It's not just not found in the book, it's actively contrary to the themes of the book.
Similarly, Life of Brian goof Stilgar got laughs in my theater as well as Walken acting like Walken. was hysterical. not with the themes.
@@_iarna_ agreed, although watching people acting appropriately for entirely the wrong reason is as they say, a mood.
Anyone who says Soderbergh doesn't take risks hasn't seen Schizopolis
Still my favorite Soderbergh movie! Kafka was a big swing from him too.
Haha love Schizopolis!
The older I get, the more I love David Lynch's Dune.
Also, it strikes me that you're proceeding from a mistaken assumption regarding Paul and the worms. Paul didn't teach the Fremen to ride the worms, the Fremen taught him. The secret of Dune was that the Fremen DID control Arrakis, and always had. The Imperial colonizers behind the Shield Wall were only ever uninvited guests on a planet that wasn't theirs.
Okay, but they did spice past the internet.
I grew up loving this film, and I still love this film. Yes it's hard to understand if you haven't read the books and simultaneously isn't particularly accurate, yes it's far from anything else David Lynch has ever done or would want to do, yes the production was fraught with issues, but man does it ooze style and weirdness and I love that. Lynch has far better films but I appreciated Dune so much growing up and I'm a lifelong fan of the books because of it.
Even with all the problems of the film, I still enjoy it.
And I don't know why. 😢
@@TheCMWProductions1 because it’s high camp with amazing aesthetic qualities. Narratively it’s a not even a shadow of its source material, but it’s so visually dazzling you’re willing to forgive it.
@@tj_6964 Agreed.
It makes me happy that Baron Harkonnen being happy makes Maggie happy.
Doing my Guild Navigator mouth right now... you can't see it though.
Holy shit. The trade federation comparison was so spot on.
Love this show guys thank you for uploading it
It's still so bizarre watching Albert Fish's granddaughter analyzing David Lynch's work
I don't understand this reference.
I loved that giant fish at the beginning. I had no horse in this race, because I read the book and didn't like it, but I knew that this thng wasn't in it, so when I first saw it I loved it: "we're gonna have a giant sapient fish thing in a tank communicate with the emperor of the universe because I'm David fucking Lynch, damn it!"
They first show up "on screen" in the second book, but Lynch considerably amped up how wild they look.
The navigator scene was amazing.
Oh hell yeah I just watched Lynch's Dune
I really liked the Baron’s performance more than the new. More theatric. Comparatively, the new one is on another level (better).
This movie is one of my guilty pleasures. It is peak 80s and I love the soundtrack.
Similar to when Dave & Tom (Gamefully Unemployed) reviewed Dune 2 w/o ever having read the book, this is such an unfamiliar perspective to weirdos like me, who have re-read Dune close to 10 times by now, over 4 decades. So many of the points and questions you guys bring up are... well, answered in the book. It doesn't excuse the movie, which should be its own thing, but for example, Princess Irulan is the narrator, likely because she is a framing device for the book, as each chapters' epigraph. Not all of them, but I think most of the chapters open with a writing of hers chronicling the history of what is to occur. Anyway, great discussion, really looked forward to this one, for reasons stated above, and am REALLY looking forward to Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me.
Not what I would call a fan of David Lynch, but I am a fan of Dune and it has been a pleasure seeing you guys try to figure it out just from DL's movie.
Yep, I remember watching this Dune when it first came out. I was about 10 years old and didn't understand any of it, but I did like the giant sand worms.
To clarify for anyone who doesn’t know, Spice enhances mental abilities allowing the guild navigators to fold space SAFELY. They have the technology to fold space but need to be a little bit psychic in order to not go boom
Funny enough about the "it should have had an incredibly long Star Wars type crawl at the beginning" comment, I remember when I was a kid, they released an extended cut of Dune on TV and replaced the Princess Irulan part with a 15-minute-long narration setting up the movie, with some still images relating to the topic. Also with the additional cut scenes, I remember enjoying the movie much more.
The story is actually a critique of the idea of the "the one," Lynch's Dune just doesn't do that.
Dean Stockwell ftw
Didn’t see it, didn’t read it, wasn’t there for it… I very much wanted to see an in-depth analysis and review on Lynch’s film.
1:26:00 that is literally exactly what the first installment of the new series is.
I was under the impression that Star Wars' real world inspirations are vague enough, that it can basically be whatever you want. WWII, the Vietnam War, the Korean War, Hidden Fortress, whatever.
Dune is generally thought to be based, to some extent, on the Algerian independence movement.
@23:20 hey! Not trying to be one of those obnoxious Dune lore people, but I did want to give some context for there being no internet: Dune is very philosophical and the fact that it’s like 8k years in the future is MEANT to feel ridiculous. Also, there’s no internet because of something called the “Butlerian Jihad,” where humanity decided we should think for ourselves and destroyed all thinking machines. Once again, not criticizing, I just think the lore is fun
Ah I see you guys also had a friend into Dune willing to translate !
Here is a production detail you will not be able to unremember: 26:55 Those beautiful dark robes were made from used bodybags.
I saw this weird movie when it came out and I will always love it, specially the production and costume design which made it so different from any sci-fi I had seen before. I only learned of that spicy detail a few months ago.
i only read the books after learning that it was supposed to be a cautionary tale, but I think ti still made it pretty clear when the planetologist's last thought is that the worst that can happen to the Fremen now is some kind of hero leader messiah figure
I love that a podcast about demystifying Lynch cannot wrap their heads around his Dune 😁
It’s a bad movie but it’s endlessly charming to me. The new ones are absolute masterpieces though.
I didn’t even like the book (I know everyone loves it) and my friend almost had to force me to watch the remake but after the first few minutes I was saying “this is one of the greatest sci Fi movies ever!!!” So yeah the remakes are amazing. I think one thing they got right was not trying to condense it into one movie, there is just too much in the novel and unlike some novels it’s so intertwined you just can’t tell it in one movie without it being incomprehensible.
I've been looking forward to this one! For all it's many, many flaws, I really enjoy this movie. It was my first Lynch. I saw it when I was young, maybe 10 or so. Well before I read, and fell in love with the book. But there's something so endearing about this hot mess of a movie.
How the hell is Swordfish a knockoff of The Matrix?!
Right? The only thing I can think they have in common is hacking as a bit of a theme.
Story-wise it isn't, but they did go out of their way to make it look as Matrix-like as possible. It was like a plague in the very early 2000s.
A someone who became a Dune fan after seeing the Lynch movie when I was young this conversation is like reading my mind at the time. Later on I re watched it and read stuff on the wiki and then the books. The Lynch version is such a mess but is also pretty fun in how he chose to bring it to life. The hammy Harkonnens, the spacing guild fishman, etc. But like watching it as a movie is nowhere near as fulfilling if you have no prior knowledge of the setting. That being said I do think that Adam should check out the "Villa New-wave" adaptations because Denis has made it clear its about deconstructing the messiah myth and I think they are a good time.
Entire episode in sheepface, when?
Bad!?! I mean, in comparison to his other work it's probably his least likeable, but I wouldn't personally call it bad. I was not a Dune person when I watched it, many times, when I was younger, but it certainly helped garner my interest in eventually reading the books. It was likely also my first introduction to David Lynch. I certainly didn't watch Eraserhead until much later, and I'm sure I would've watched Dune before The Elephant Man. I found it grotesquely fascinating and hypnotic when compared to other popular sci-fi films and TV shows of that era. Yes, it's a bit of a mess, largely thanks to the then near impossible task of bringing Dune to the big screen, and the meddling of the studio certainly did not help. But I think Lynch managed to make a truly fantastical sci-fi film that's still quite like no other. Whether that's a good or bad thing is up to you to decide, I guess.
I will take a copy of Dune if you're just giving them out. I need a book to read next and I might be going to the ward soon so it seems like that would work.
I do enjoy how Adam pronounces "Villeneuve" differently every time he says it.
Truly stunning for such a student of film and filmmaking. It gets me every time.
It was painful listening to you both struggle to explain the plot, but I'm happy that you both are having fun
MY GIRLS ARE BACK
"We are not Dune people" "I am not a Dune-ophile"
ACKshually I believe the proper term is "Dunenut" or "Fandworm"
Dune is his best work. I will fight you. Not physically. Or verbally. Just quietly in our minds.
The pronunciation of Villeneuve cracks me up. I'm pronouncing it that way from now on
Could NOT stop saying "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy" in a ridiculous British accent at 1:03:20
1:06:43 i’m with maggie on this one, the hunger games does the political stuff and the ways trauma impacts people in a way that i haven’t really seen in the books that were inspired by it. Jennifer Lawrence did a great job in that last movie but there is so much going on in katniss’s head that leads her to make the decision of which leader she kills. I read the series in middle school and because of the new stuff coming out i’ve reflected alot on the series and I think it holds up pretty well.
And, she ends up with the "no prize" of pita bread for all her efforts.
@@VaultBoy13 i was just talking to my friend about this, Katniss spends alot of time feeling like peeta can’t fully get her like gale can because he didn’t have the same kind of childhood as her, didn’t end up as angry or jaded. And then, during mockingjay, 1. Peeta gets brainwashed and they have to rebuild their friendship from scratch, and 2. She realizes that she doesn’t /want/ to be with someone like gale. Gale is also angry at the world, and katniss needs something to keep her out of that headspace. She also never wanted anything to do with being a leader or a figurehead, and gale wants to be right in the middle of it. Peeta and katniss getting together doesnt really feel like a victory the same way the end of the series doesnt feel like a true victory. Katniss realizes that absolute power corrupts absolutely and finds peace in the woods with the one person she feels like understands the trauma she experienced.
Seems like you both went in with the knowledge that Lynch didn't like it and let that color your opinion from the onset.
"No other animal I can think of if you touch in a certain way --" Yea how about cats if you pick them up from the skin at the back of their neck 😸
There's a lot to love in Lynch's Dune but it just never has felt like it was worth the over two hours. I guess I need to check out the 6h version.
Off to watch this on Nebula!
I had limited conprehension when reading the book, but got something from it that i didnt Get from the movie:
«Yes Paul, good call, lean into the prophecy for a moment to svar your life, then reestablish your agency… Paul… paul… no Paul that is the prophetic railroad, it gods where it says it does surely that isnt what you want. Oh. Are we there already? But… hero?»
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omg he is NOT the head of the spice navigator guild, he is "A third-stage guild navigator", they even say it in the movie, You can't explain this one away.
I mean, once you decide to not bother to remember basic, repeated terms like "Kwisatz Haderach" so you can goof on it in the review...
Let's not get pedantic. He's the representative of the Spacing guild. Close enough.
It bums me out that you start the episode by stating flatly that the film is bad. I think that does such a disservice to this movie. It's so much more than bad, it's what I like to call a "fascinating failure", a film that is bad in such particular ways that it becomes incredibly watchable. And honestly for all the praise the new Dune movies have garnered, I will take Lynch's completely out there, reach for the stars and fall so short attempt because there are single frames in Lynch's Dune that are more memorable than the entire runtime of both new Dune films. And this has nothing to do with accuracy as adaptations, both films fail significantly in that regard. But the opening alone with the Guild Navigator meeting with the Emperor is seared into my brain in a way few films can match. The heart plug the Baron uses on his flower slave is one of the darkest images I've seen in a movie. As a satisfying narrative experience, Dune fails. As a kaleidoscopic wonderland of the some of the most out there decisions in Lynch's entire career, it's a resounding success, and I come back to it over and over.
Holy crap, there is no way Eraserhead is better than Dune!
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As a fan of Lynch, and the book Dune, I am fully aware of how poorly this film executes that story and just a film in general. And yet I still love this movie.
Villeneuve definitely made the superior adaptation. But there's something about how goofy this movie is that just makes me enjoy the hell out of it despite its flaws.
I highly recommend this film for a certain genre of film appreciator.
well, it definitely is a setup for a lack of pay off, i haven't seen the second villeneuve dune film yet but i really felt it in the first one that ppl who did not read the books (plural) can't have any idea what is going on and that it will lead to the same thing
the first book itself is a setup for a bait and switch in the next books basically, what can you do with that if you want to make it a film?
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really good pitch to get me to watch Swordfish
Flash Gordon is awesome. The heights of filmmaking. Also interesting thoughts on that other movie...Sand or something?
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How it would land:
Spinning frontpage (only hint of journalism in movie) «worm poop revelation!» *gracing a recent rebel rally with his glorifious prescence, prophesied messianic figure Paul muad’dib let slip the following wormshell(…)»
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I saw this Dune in the Theater as a teenager before I know who Lynch was. Blue Velvet was my first Lynch movie I saw because it was Lynch.
as a fan of the book, this was one of the most frustrating dune reviews I’ve ever watched. But I don’t think it’s your fault. It’s just that this movie was such a bad way to be introduced to the world. You guys should watch the new version and then come back and see if it makes more sense.
I like the fan edit
If i subscribe to nebula to get the uncut version, do you also color grade the cameras correctly? Pretty sure 2 the 3 are still raw..
The thing with Paul being the savior/messiah as opposed to the Matrix's Neo is that Neo is a genuine messianic figure and Paul is not. The Bene Gesserit witches of whom his mother is a member are the ones who sowed the seeds of prophecy on Arakkis in the first place generations prior because they knew one day they would want control of the planet, and to do that they needed the support of the indigenous Fremen. Paul was groomed from birth to be a messiah as a part of thousand year long grand political machinations that are destined to end in the genocide of billions upon billions of people. Part of the point of Dune is that messiah figures aren't born, they are made.
I do remember the great Ewok disappointment, those where hard days.
I'm a Lynch Dune apologist so take my comments with a pinch of salt I guess, but your confusion at the beginning seems to suggest you skipped the 'secret report within the guild' before the throne room sequence (firstly, you've gotta love that the voiceover literally calls it a 'secret report'. That some 60's Batman level labelling!)
it pretty simply lays out all the players involved and shows the guild have little interest in the politics, only the flow of Spice. It tells us that a '3rd stage guild navigator' is being sent to talk to the Emperor & we've already been told by Virginia Madson that the navigators have been mutated by the spice gas. As the only people who can actually use the spice for what it's good for, yeah, I can see why they get to boss the Emperor around. It's also pretty clear that the Emperor's motivation in the whole thing is to prevent a rival from getting big enough to threaten his position. The guild are only remotely interested in the Emperor's plot in how it relates to the Spice and the prophecy around this 'messiah' figure (again, told to us by Virginia Madson) that is meant to rise up. The term Kwisatz Haderach - which WOULD be confusing at this point - isn't even brought up yet.
I've seen the film many times - the first time as a teen - and i'll freely admit that getting the info across to the audience in two exposition dumps (one after the other no less!) is FAR from ideal film making, but It was all pretty clear to me even on the first viewing.
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Could u send me one of these copies, please? Thanks.
The new films are better movies,but I love the audacious wierdness of Lynch Dune.
Dune was one of the few fantastical movies besides animated movies we had on vhs I think so I watched it a few times and have a strong nostalgia for it, it's like not a good movie, and not a good adaptation but there's something to it, I like the vibrant blue eyes of the fremen, the sets and the costumes I honestly prefer to the new movies sad greige sreious sci-fi asthethic, 80's dune sets and costumes is giving space opera, space fairy tale, I was even mesmerized by the fading in and out exposition dumping princess, I like how messy, gross and reprehensible the Harkonnens are, also Brad Dourif is barely in but is doing his level best horrid little guy and a delight in the movie, also a great movie to watch with friends drunkenly :")
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