Power Pocket Revisited! My New Coach Rocks! Improving My Backhand
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- My first month in with my new coach, Josh from OT Discs. Man is it a game changer. I already see a massive difference in my throw. Let's see how it's going!
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13:45 “.. it’s not” 🤣 this video really helped me and I’ve been down the form rabbit hole for years
So glad it helped. I have been the same. It's finally starting to click for me. Slowly but surely.
Interesting, will be following your progress.
Thank you!
Great video!.....I wish I had you with me as I do a Disc Golf for beginners clinic in the month of September. I will show them putting fundamentals and the all important no-no's like rounding which all beginners seem to do. Thank You, Bill M. lifelong disc golf promoter & PDGA Ace Club member since 1993☺
I'm starting a clinic at the Christian School where I coach HS Softball! Hope it goes well for you!
super intersting! thanks! ❤
Hopefully more to come!
Thank you good sir this is awesome information
I like the idea of focusing and bringing the disc into the right pec (as a righty). That does seem like it will help reduce rounding. I'm not sure I can get there, per se, but I think it can be used to help minimize rounding. Preventing reaching back too far across the body.
I'm also using a new coach, after taking the Scott Stokely Method for 6 months. I'm going with Owen from Trebuchet Disc Golf and it's nice to have someone who _gets_ me. I have a hard time relating my problem to others, including friends, so they don't really understand how to help my specific problems. But Owen's been able to a) speak my language and understand me, as well as b) give me targeted advice on specific problems I have.
A good one on one coach does make a difference!
Amazing progress! This reminds me someoke of the Beto Drill which changed how i throw. I may need to revisit and take a step back to focus on basics.
That's how I practice and how I coach my athletes to practice. Fundamentals first and always. Thanks for the feedback!
You my friend are a very good teacher and are very fortunate to have Josh at Overthrow DG as your coach!
If you punch that back arm down toward front foot you'll look like McBeth! Or Chris Clemmons to stay on the left dide:)
I can't tell you how much this comment means to me. Thank you so much! And yes, Josh is amazing. Great coach, better friend.
I bet Josh is a great guy. Would like to see you and Josh get together and play a round and do comments.
I'm floored at how good this way feels. The 4 step method had me throwing with more spin. I really like throwing out of my chest!! My back doesn't hurt either. I'm 60yo and trying to improve constantly. Your FH videoes are great. Now let's see if you can win the triple crown by busting open the putting game
@@markhumphrey8894 I'm going to get into putting more soon. ;) I have a little stuff out right now but hopefully will get more into my putting form.
I'll be going down to see Josh again next month. We'll see if we can get some content out together. ;)
So cool that you actually go and do live in person lessons!
I really enjoyed this! It really helped make it click for me that playing a couple rounds a week won't improve my throws. Thanks for the inspiration to get methodical about practice. I guess it all boils down to the fact that throwing the disc properly involves moving your body faster than your brain. Controlled, monitored repetition of the correct form seems to be the only way. Thanks for making this!
Yeah, if you want to be competitive at this sport, it takes methodical repetition. Throwing a disc well is really complex.
Hey man I've been following Josh for about a year. I think he is great. Just stumbled over your channel. Been seeing a couple of your videos on your progression. Great work. Your take on Josh's videos is awesome, love it. Thanks
Thanks! Really appreciate it!
Really helpful! I am starting in this sport myself, and my bAck arm throws are weak and have virtually no distance whatsoever. I know that this is something that I need to work on because my back arm throws are super consistent and predictable distance and accuracy wise.
Glad you found it helpful! Yeah just takes work and time. You'll get it!
Hadnt played much in last few months. Lost about 50 to 75 ft of distance. Watched this, and went out and tried it. Threw about 20 shots. Concentrated on getting the disc to the hit before thinking about rotation. Got one to go about 460 downhill about 6 ft. Thanks for sharing!
So glad it helped! It for sure has helped me.
Eye opening material. Very good coach you got there
Josh is awesome!
Dude,… thank you! I just got a net (freakin finally)… plus I’m a lefty as well. Huge help!
Hey brother. Just found this video today. I really love the way you explain what your struggling with and how you are breaking it down. I can tell you have years of experience as a coach. I watch tons of Josh’s videos at OverThrow.
You could totally join his team as a coach even without progressing further. Keep up the training and keep posting videos. God bless you my friend.
Those are extremely kind words. I very much appreciate that and hope to join Josh's team one day. :) So glad you found the channel! God is good.
@@discsmd amen! God is good all the time, and all the time God is good.
So I want to preface this: I'm not coming with any hate at all. But what you were describing was pulling the lawnmower. For the past 3 years or so there's been a lot of poopoo-ing on pulling the lawnmower in favor of spin & throw, which then became twirly bird, then back leg disc golf noodle arm. And I thought a lot of that poopooing was unnecessary. Happy to see that your breakthrough is going back to what the PROs have been saying for years before all these methods and jargon flooded the coaching market. X step, reach back, plant, pull through, follow through. It's not complicated. It's nice to follow you on your journey.
Yeah, I tend not to worry about labels and more about what works. And because I am out away from my body to start it is more of an out-in-out motion than straight line, but probably not as much as I think. So yeah I completely agree. :)
Lol I had the same feeling.
Thank you... I appreciate you, your time and creative way this instruction and your journey have been presented. It is enlightening and inspiring to my own journey. I love the Christian ending. Bless you !
Thank you so much for your kind words! God has given the ability, He deserves the credit. :)
Great video!!!!! More please. :)
Got some more comin! Thanks!
I've literally been doing this backwards... No wonder I felt like I've been having more and more issues.
I was the same way for 3 years! Lol. Glad it helped!
Wow great video! Your before form with the shoulders turning first is exactly like me. I just recently started to pull the disc first and keep my shoulders still just like in this video. Ive had some success but im noticing every few shots when i pull through to the hit i have a really bad late release. Any ideas on why this happens and how to fix? I feel like my timing was better when i was rounding lol
So what happens with me is I get too comfortable and then start to use my shoulders again to try to throw harder. When that happens, it exaggerates any type of late release. I need to refocus and not even think about throwing hard. Just get the disc through the pocket to the hit.
@@discsmd gotcha. That makes sense. In the field and in rounds, I can throw pretty solid when I'm focused on getting the elbow to pull first. But I have a few throws that'll go 50 feet left of my line (I'm lefty) and really high.
I have one more question if you don't mind, how do you go from the power pocket to the hit? Are you just continually pulling through the pocket with the arm,, or trying to use your shoulders and torso to eject the disc?
@kmgolf5506 great question!! Mind if I answer that with a video? It was actually a question I asked Josh. He gave me two schools of thought to try out. And I prefer the one over the other, but it is certainly person dependant. I'll try to get it out at the end of the week!
Are you trying to keep your arm very loose and relaxed on the backswing up to the hot point? I've been trying to do it with that thought process. Or should I try to use my arm muscles to get it into the power pocket? This is something that always seems unclear to me. Seems like you hear different people describe it different ways. Lots of teachers say that if you just keep your arm really loose and relaxed that as your hips turn, the disc just naturally falls into the power pocket. Thank you.
I have been trying to stay loose. I have a video on that from about a month ago, I think. I think it's one of the hardest things to train yourself to do. The instinct is to try to "muscle" it, and that doesn't work.
Out of curiosity with you being a softball coach are you familiar with teacherman?
I am not, but now I need to look that up!
@@discsmd he’s Aaron Judge’s swing coach. That’ll be a fun rabbit hole for you.
@derekwilliams5242 I know Schenk, did not know him as Teacherman! Thanks for that! Gonna watch his stiff for sure!
How do you not hyper-extend your elbow at the hit? I was working on Josh's grip and lead arm drills, and can't seem to stop my arm from extending fully and hurting my elbow (nursing a sore elbow as I type this).
I am pretty careful to make sure I follow through with every throw. If I am practicing just getting to the hit, I don't go even close to full speed.
I struggle with that 33 degree reach back because I must pull the diss along that line and it flies 33% to the right (rhbh). In essence is the disc supposed to travel in a straight towards target as you pull it thru, or are you pulling into your body and redirecting towards target?
From how it's been explained to me and how I think about it, you pull it into the power pocket and then extend your arm out to your line. It is a slight in and out, but at full speed, it's not noticeable.
@@discsmd thanks. I finally just broke down and ordered a net so I can dissect the form better. I’m 56 and started playing 2 years ago but am retired and have played about 250 rounds since then and am completely obsessed. Finally tried a couple tournaments recently and played way below expectations but think that’s part of the learning curve. By my last round I felt comfortable and like I could compete in MA50. We will see what next season brings. 7 degrees here in MN today so just not quite the same this time of year. Really enjoy your channel and can relate to a dude discovering his disc golf love with gray in his beard and being obsessed with improving. Like me. Thinking about getting my own channel up and running. Have a lot of footage. Just need to learn how to edit. I’m disc golf rambling. Thanks again and keep the Content coming!
This is interesting because the consensus is that you should not pull "with the arm" when in fact this is what gives you the most correct form rather than thinking about hips and shoulders....
I know! For the last year, I've been focusing on my legs and hips, and it's killed my form.
@@discsmd I think I have a pretty good understanding of the mechanics and I'm getting to the point where I can throw decently in the field, but for the love of god, I cannot get anything to work as soon as I stand on a tee pad, especially if there's any resemblance of a gap I need to hit. But my form has improved in the field, I'm hoping it's only a matter of time that it translates into better scores as well. It's not easy when it does not come naturally...
@creativeflyfishing998 you are describing me to the tee...pun intended..lol. it will come. My suggestion is really slowing down your run up for your drives. If you watch my rounds, I basically walk up really slow now. And I still throw just as far if not farther.
@Creative fly
Work on the mental game when you’re in the field. Make the practice more demanding by decreasing the reps and adding a realistic game scenario.
if you go back and watch your replays frame by frame when you demo your new homework drill, you get a deep pocket when you dont actually throw the disc, when you actually throw the disc, you dont get any sort of deep pocket. I wonder if its more of a feel vs real. I guess this is the same thing as his drill from a few videos ago.
So my theory on this is that real speed is EXTREMLY difficult if not impossible to get that deep into the pocket because of the arm speed increase. So my intention is to teach my body to get as deep as I can into the pocket during my shadow throws so I get as deep as possible when I actually throw, knowing that real time won't be as deep in the pocket.
Also, this is still a work in progress for ne. 3 weeks isn't a long time. So I'm still learning what it feels like. I still have to correct things, which is why I video every 4 throws or so, to reset what I am doing. I imagine this is going to take months if not a year to perfect.
yeah most likely, i think its a work in progress and not something you will figure out over night im not 100% sure im on board with the deep pocket, only because i dont fully understand it, if i hold the disc in teh pocket, i feel like i can power the disc a lot more than if its in the deep pocket.. This is also most likely because im going from still position to throw, vs it being part of the throw!
@@discsmd
@@jerkwagonmy thought on this, after watching his video this morning and trying it a little in a couple rounds I played today, is it probably moves you more away from rounding, by not having your arm reach across your body as much. So you may not get in the "deep pocket" as much as you prevent rounding. I think it's definitely more a battle against feel, than it is against real. I think cues are becoming super important, more than being technically correct, if it can get the body to make the changes. For example, I need to do X. I try X. Nothing actually changes. So I try Y. That doesn't work. How about Z? Okay that got me to make a specific correction. I think that's the route some of us have to take.
I'm curious what you average max distance that you threw prior to these lesson and how much increase in distance after these lessons?
So before the lessons I was around 340-350. I have measured yet because it's only been 3 weeks, but I can say pretty confidently from 2 tourneys so far. I feel like I am throwing noticeably farther.
I'm more accurate out of the pocket but I get about 30 more feet if I reach back
I'm finding that everyone has different things they need to focus on. Focusing on reaching back hurts me, but I know that's not the case for everyone. Just have to find what sets you up to throw well.
@@discsmd yep consistentcy is what matters most to me.
I HAVE TO BE REMINDED CONSTANTLY OF THE DAN BETO DRILL THANKS AGAIN