China-Australia relations: A step forward?
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On June 15, Chinese Premier Li Qiang visited Australia, the second stop on his tour of New Zealand and Malaysia. Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese called the visit "another step forward" in stabilizing relations, which had declined since 2018 due to the "China threat" theory. Since Albanese took office in 2022, trade relations have improved and the public perception of China is slowly getting better. Can these positive trends continue? Can Australia balance its U.S. alliance with its economic partnership with China?
【Guests】
Roland Boer
School of Philosophy, Renmin University of China
Hu Dan
Deputy Director, Australian Studies Centre
Beijing Foreign Studies University
Warwick Powell
Adjunct Professor, Queensland University of Technology
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It will never be back on track as long as they kowtow to the U.S. But at the very least it stops the downward spiral temporarily.
Watch out for the US war mongering imperialist
Yes, they did expressed that they are with the US vis a vis China, due to their DNA.
This therefore can never change.
@@davidlaw9686 A snake will always be a snake no matter how many times that snake shed its skin
Australia should ditch AUKUS and join BRICS+
Australia is not governed by the Chinese because it has not had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
International cooperation benefits humanity.
China should check Australian government business model and it's beneficiaries before making businesses with Australia..
making sure that it befitting the Australian people and not corporations of the world 🌎..
as our socialism_communism economic system and logical conduct dictate our logical principles.
The genius wanted to cooperate, but the bullshiter wants to steal the invention.
@urimtefiki226 duh .. the flaws of capitalistic economic system.. hmmmm.. I hate intellectual property and it's concept.
The problem with the relations between China and Australia is that it is a trilateral relation. Australia does not have its own independent foreign relations policy, she has always to factor in the wish of a third party.
Exactly. China and Australia by themselves really do not have any problem with each other on a single issue. All of the problems Australia have with China is because of them following U.S foreign policy against China.
Australia is not governed by the Chinese because it has not had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
Australia depends on US to make decisions. Not easy to get approval
Australia is not governed by Chinese because it had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution". This is the correct version of history.
Australia is not governed by the Chinese because it has not had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
No, the degree of cooperation between China and Australia depends solely on Australia's anti-China Master in Washington
The Washington warmonger
Australia is not governed by the Chinese because it has not had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
@@AdamSydney-nc6ju ???
Agreed, Australia is a military ally of USA. Canberra's foreign and security policies are mandated in Washington DC, as in all EU and NATO members.
@@hengng4414 Small Australia is only a Military Vassal, not a Military Ally of the Hegemonic US
As long as Australia keeps seeing issues with China from only their side of the coin, it will not be a smooth relationship.
To understand China, Australia should see the struggles that China and the Chinese went through from being an almost wholly agrarian farming society into a powerfully industrialized country in the world today. Australians should recognize that the invasion and subjugation of China by 7 European nations plus one Asian (Japan) that has hardly emerged itself from barbarism, had inflicted upon China a deep traumatic scar into the nation's soul, referred to as "the 100 years of humiliation". Australia should have some empathy towards the Chinese in the Japanese Rape of Nanking where some 350,000 Chinese were massacred and the Japanese Unit 371 program where live Chinese civilians were used for biological experiments such as vivisection in which those were China's own "holocaust" experience. And putting all those together over the last 200 years, one can see just what China's position is today and why she behaves the way that she has to when she sees all those foreign warships assembling in her waters once again with the Japanese being stirred into taking up arms again "to oppose China".
Australia talks about itself being a sovereign nation that has its own views and opinions which should be respected. However, to be honestly fair, so too, should China's views and opinions be also respected and not scorned or mocked. For Australia to keep on harping up the issue on the Uyghurs in Xinjiang without conducting its own independent studies and in fact, even ignoring the United Nations own report on Xinjiang as well as the World Islamic Movement that did their own investigations and found nothing that has been reported by some unfriendly nations with their own agenda, makes it hypocritical and obvious that we are not beating our own drums to our own tune but that of someone else's and it is definitely not China's.
"Australia talks about itself being a sovereign nation that has its own views and opinions which should be respected"
Problem is, we aren't. We are a us vassal. And still have uk governor general as our head of state.
as long as we are joined at the hip security wise and strategically to those two countries which are anti China, how can we have our own independent strategic foreign policy?
We can't. We need to do like NZ and put more distance between us. Ban all usa nuclear subs and weapons like nz did. And then suffer from USA removing us as a alliance partner(even if there is still ANZUS treaty).
Only after such measures can china even begin to think of Australia as independent sovereign state instead of a US vassal.
Everything that's happening now is just surface level stuff. It can never be a real strategic relationship that has trust and true goodwill behind it. Australia has destroyed it since Morrison. It will need to do another 50 years of good will to rebuild what we had before Morrison.
Well said 👍👍
So true
You are right, however most Australians have a complex perspective of China.
First, Australia being on the edge of Asia, it feels fearful, no matter whether Australia believes it’s racist or not, it’s built on racist ideals, it’s primarily ruled by white and Anglo Saxons labeled anyone not white as savages, it’s own indigenous, Asians, Africans, Pacific Islanders etc, white was considered superior, along with Christianity, this all lingers today.
Second, in the 80’s we were afraid of Indonesia, and Japan, way back in Australia’s history, Chinese gold miners were a threat, even later, having a white only immigration policy , Australia’s extreme Human Rights issues are quite recent and still continue in many respects.
Thirdly, Australians have a view of China and Chinese from the past, I’ve heard Australians who think China has no significant military, one believed Australia could easily defeat China, without US help, others believe that China can only make cheap toys and has not ability to achieve high tech. Ignorance rules the day but thankfully not all Australians believe such waffle.
Before we in the west make criticisms of China “or any other country” we should first examine ourselves and be brave enough to change, and also be willing to accept the changes China has made to itself.
We are different cultures, civilizations, different populations, different struggles, if we in the west can’t exactly articulate why we can’t understand each other and can only revert to hostility, then our hostility and misunderstandings belong entirely to us, not China or the Chinese.
@@esplace3023 I agree, that Australians having not experienced a similar history that the Chinese had to go through, it would be difficult to place oneself into the shoes of others unless one has a great empathy for others as well as deep understanding for oneself in self reflection. This doesn't seem to be a quality trait found in most western culture all that much. Christianity is supposed to teach that throughout the New Testaments with its many parables but not many are good students - or perhaps its because of bad teachers.
For Australians to feel that the Chinese or the Indonesians would want to invade this continent is sort of paranoic neurosis and is incongruous to the real deal - Indonesian fishermen were landing on the northern parts of the Australian continent long before Dutch navigator, Willem Janszoon and Spanish explorer Luis Vaz de Torres in 1606 were recorded as the first Europeans to have made contact with the land while Cook didn't even arrived until 1770. The Indonesians didn't lay claim to the Australian continent back earlier but they could have.
Then, there is the question - why would China even logically want to take over Australia? What does this continent really have to offer China in real value to want to sacrifice their own blood and treasure in a huge way while meeting absolute hostility from a mainly White society that will not acquiesce before the Chinese government? Taking over Australia will provide the Chinese with nothing less than a monumental headache that not even a trillion-trillion aspirin (analgesic) tablets will cure while whatever natural mineral resources that Australia has can be easily sourced through bilateral trade or from other countries. Common sense will tell one that there is absolutely no economic gain to be had for a Chinese invasion of Australia while expecting a retaliatory attack in return upon its magnificent modern cities and infrastructure.
This paranoia probably stems from the fact that Australia is so far removed physically from Europe and its perceived isolation is what created this neurosis which is due to an innate feeling of insecurity. While modern transport and communications have shrunk the distances, this feeling of isolation is still deep within the Australian psyche and thus, the Anglo-European ethnic groups feels more secured when they ally themselves more with their counterparts halfway around the other side of the world than try to make close friends with their next door neighbors in Indonesia and China. It is a typically juvenile, un-grown-up way of looking at life but we humans have a tendency towards tribalism. Whether we can grow up and become properly mature in time will be interesting to watch.
The thing about us Aussies is we’re like the Dwarves of Erebor. We dug too deep and greedily and in the heart of our continent found a prized jewel that adores the Lodge of every Prime Minister. Not the Arkenstone but the Americanstone and it drives every one of them mad. Albanese is not immune and to say otherwise is naivety at best and stupidity at worst. All he’s saying is “I want your money China but turn around for just one second and we’ll stab you in the back.” We don’t need dialogue, rather than diplomats please send psychiatrists.
Exactly
"One ring to rule them all" huh? One American ring ....... "my preshh-scciousss ....." (former Aussie PM Scott Morrison)
Australia always go astray with sweet words of US, Australia bow down their heads and accept whatever US tells them, what a waste.
You're just angry that Australia (and others) refuse to bow down their heads and accept whatever China tells them! Unlike the China... the US doesn't tell other nations to hand over their legal territorial rights!
@@covertpuppytwo3857 US just do the regime change , no need to ask for permission .
I'm Aussie. He's right. No one asked us if we wanted to go Iraq or Afghanistan(we didn't), no one Asked us if we wanted to join aukus and spend 380 billion on a few subs that will just make us more of us vassal and probably mean we will have to fight with USA over Taiwan.. no one Asked us if we want to go to war over Taiwan(we don't).
We are us vassal. All our media and politicians are controlled by Murdoch. Our PMs go to his house for Xmas dinner to kiss the ring..
@@ex0duzz Why would Australia ask a Chinese troll who might actually live in Australia if he's ok with Australia buying subs to defend itself from China? Makes no sense!
@@covertpuppytwo3857keep drinking the US cool aid
Hurry up Visa free please, also let Australian see China for themselves not through the media.
Trade is always good but a visa free travel period is a very smart idea and should have been in play a long time ago.
I hope lots more Aussies and Kiwi’s take up the offer, and go beyond Beijing and Shanghai.
@@esplace3023 Visa free visit is already in the works .... check out latest news on Chinese Li Qiang's visit.
Whether Australia like it or not, BRICS will prevail over the AUKUS in the long run. WELCOME TO THE CLUB, GUYS.
The Australians don't care 😂
CZcams is not brics economy nor 2 entangled
Australia is not governed by Chinese because it had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution". This is the correct version of history.
SUNRISE FROM THE EAST NOT FROM WEST. BRICS IS THE FUTURE NOT G7 ❤️❤️❤️✊🏻🕊🤝🕊✊🏻❤️❤️❤️
Always good to see an interview with both an intelligent interviewer and interviewees.
Australia is not governed by the Chinese because it has not had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
Without over intellectualizing it, The relationship between China and Australia can be compared to a basic friendship. One should not only have a friendship for only economic reasons, but one should not accept a friendship with someone who brings them harm.
Then stay away from the USA and NATO.
That’s fair, for both parties
Australia is the problem and I'm Australian
Australia is blessed with everything except for the politicians...
@@dt_2 Yes politicians and Main Stream Media and Citizens with their heads in the sand.
Fundamentally Australia is still a constitutional monarchy, its "head" is the King of England, a country whose foreign policy is anti-China and is aligned strongly with the USA’s win-lose international policies. Improvement of bilateral relationships between Australia and China would therefore always be coloured by its link to its imperial connections and lineage. Until Australia becomes a republic, it is unlikely anything fundamental would improve in Australia-China relationships beyond "skin-deep" photo-ops.
100% correct. If we get rid of uk, we will swap UK for USA. We always need a big daddy ruling us
Australia is not governed by Australians because it has not had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
China Australia ties. No, thank you. Australia is a military and security ally of 1) AUKUS 2) QUAD 3) SQUAD 4) FIVE Eyes. Australia will repeat the same as USA Nato on 1) Huawei 2)undercapacity overcapacity 3) Taiwan 4)Philippines 5) South China Sea 6)Solomon Islands 7) Papua PNG. 8) BRICS + mandates.
Just do trade, no strategic stuff that requires trust
Well I guess you loose.
Do the maths if you can,
If there’s war in the SCS, Australians will see their good life drop dramatically, the Australian economy will crumble.
Oh I hear you say, we have everything, except Australia doesn’t, who could you export to, ?, where would you get the oil to run your farm machines, cars, where would you get workers to do the jobs that Australians are to lazy to do, and then there’s the fact that in near everything you own has Chinese parts, if we started to make them they’d be to expensive for most Australians to buy, so, in a short time, the Australia you know now would turn to S***, and I bet you’d be the first to whine.
Australia is not governed by the Chinese because it had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
@@AdamSydney-nc6ju Sorry, nobody in China is interested in Australia. Beijing is derisking and decoupling 100% from the USA and all her military allies around the world, eg Nato, AUKUS, QUAD SQUAD, Five Eyes,Japan and Philippines. Thank you Australia.
China 🇨🇳 has my blessing from Australia 🇦🇺 🙏 Australia must get out of AUKUS. USA is Australia's greatest threat along with Britain hegemony. Brics is the future of the world. I am all for visa free travel to China 🇨🇳
Australia is not governed by the Chinese because it has not had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
With a friend like the US . We aussies dont need an enemy.
Indeed...
Australia is not governed by the Chinese because it had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
Not sure AUS and NZ are in the pocket of the US. 5 eyes, flight paths and most of the security is doe-eyed when looking at their US policy makers.
Also, the US has many bases in Aus with a massive one in the middle of the country.
Not sure . Of course we are
Mate open your eyes.
Not Sure, have you been asleep
Good conversations.
Back on track ❤️🇨🇳🇦🇺🦾😇🕊️
For how long...😅
Sky news & other media are very upset by the looks at their rabid attack pieces. 😅
Good segment and excellent commentary from Warwick 👍🏽
Thank You ❤️🇨🇳🇦🇺🦾😇
CN will never ever be able to have a long term good relationship with a US lackey such as AU is as when next govt gets in, ALL will be reversed.
Australia should join BRICS PLUS, for their Financial and Military Survival!!!
Best choice but impossible because US would never let it happen...
There are a lot of "should's" that Australia should wisely do but in reality, cannot while it has a leash held in the American eagle's talons .
Scott Morrison torn up the MOU for one road one belt signed by state of Victoria. What makes you think that this current government is smart enough to join BRICS for its future?
Gough Whitlam was a leader with a vision spanning several future decades. The present Labor Party looks like its heading back towards Whitlam’s hope for mutually beneficial relations. Good to see some progress.
Why u say that? I disagree. Ask Keating if he agrees also(he doesn't).
We are USA vassal. Just See whAt happened to rudd.
Labor started to die after the Keating era. Gough Whitlam's government removed by the USA, because he demanded, rightly so as it turns out, the removal of the Pine Gap facility. All subsequent governments then decided, in my opinion, to obey whatever the yanks wanted.
Good morning ❤️🇦🇺🇨🇳🦾😇👋
Australia's sense of insecurity is hard to understand as the facts do not point to Australia being invaded by China militarily anytime soon or anytime in the future. So for Australia to spend that much money on the Aukus deal to primarily serve the foreign policy interest of America is madness in my view. The main beneficiaries of AUKUS military deals that Australia made are primarily arms contractors from the USA and UK. Australian politicians are unwise. I hope the Australian electorate will do better and elect more responsible & responsive politicians to serve Australia's interest solely and not that of the UK and USA.
Australia is not governed by the Chinese because it has not had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
'The Australian' reports that even if Albanese government was friendly, it would never trust China. Nevertheless, the Chinese are doing their best.
The Chinese will never trust the Australian government
One step forward...2 steps backwards as soon intervention from US... After all this is not based on natural mutual tie but profits trading...
Awesome
I would love to leave Australia and move to China. ❤️🇨🇳❤️
At one time, they have grown up into a matured being. Suddenly, they turned into childish politic & now they're growing up into adulthood again. Well ! That is the vicissitudes of politic. Learn through the hard ways despite of having greatest university in the world which 10 of thousands of foreign students flocking to Australia for heigher educations.
Nope. Australia will continue to veer off the track. China is giving them a grace period and it is ending soon. USA and EU already in arms to contain China. Australia will not be left out. China should import less from Australia and import more from BRICS countries.
Australia is not governed by the Chinese because it has not had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
Malaysia noted..🇲🇾
Never, Ever Trust Australia!!!
Why ??
@@cliffa2901 Because
@@timetraveller885 because why ??
@cliffa2901 Where are you From?
@@timetraveller885 why do you want to know that mate.
Is it important to you.
Excellent discussion this gives me hope, Australia needs to become more integrated with Eurasia for their own benefit and sovereignty.
😂😂😂 Chinese refer Australia like a gum stuck in your shoe.... I wonder what that gum taste like 😐😐😐
Australia is not governed by the Chinese because it has not had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
Please don’t tell me this gives China Carte Blanche to send even more rubbish to us. Can you image the performance if Australia sent rubbish to China? They’d perform like a toddler.
China should be not too trusting❤
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Australia should apply to join BRICS+.
And remember, always remember, what Australia did to France in their nuclear submarines deal.
Unless China are born yesterday.
Till US collapsed....
It's only for 4-5 years. See who's the next Oz Boss.
Political Economy is ON.
Is this Australia pinging or ponging? I am starting to lose track due to the speed of the returns.
Why does China waste its time with these countries ?
The difference between NEWZEALAND and Australia is common sense. Just that symbol nothing else. Australia very much lacking in common sense. All governments must work for the peoples interests first not politics. ❤️❤️❤️✊🏻🕊🤝🕊✊🏻❤️❤️❤️
Australia and New Zealand are working for the people's interest. It's just working for interest for the people of Australia and New Zealand. This is not the something as China's interest.
Now under labor government but when oppsition government changes over. This conflict will start again. That how democratic sys works. I think this just waste if time for both countries
Please please please give us the visa free to Australia 🇦🇺👍
Australia future directions is in Asia Pacific not in North America nor Europe.
Also, I prefer noodles compared to curry.
Australia is not governed by the Chinese because it has not had a "Chinese Cultural Revolution" (革命). This is the correct version of history.
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Australia as one of the world leaders has duty to inforce International Law especially UNCLOS. Thanks Australia for supporting the Philippines!
UNCLOS is NOT reliable: a US tool.
lol no one in down under dose see Australia as one of the world leaders, the most ambitious view is seeing itself as a middle power. Australia provides the most iron ore to China for building more warships aganist Philippino, thanks for thanking.
@@socrates5647 Yeah because thats all China have and will do, flexing its power against Philippines. Well for us Filipinos we don't need to counter China's power because we sided the peaceful way of following the UNCLOS. We are just at a distance watching China shaming itself.
Lapdog can never be world leader.
UNCLOS is not a legitimate organization. Philippine, you are just a puppet for the white supremacy.
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