CGC Head Grader On Cover Whitening, The Census & Press/Clean Techniques They Accept
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- čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
- In this clip from Swagglecast I ask CGC President and Head Grader Matt Nelson about Cover Whitening and how they decide which press/clean techniques are allowable for blue labels. I also ask him about the census and if he thinks its accurate with all the cracking that occurs.
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Maybe cgc will think cover whitening is ok when ccs can start profiting from it. 😂
Glad to hear that whitening is in this early acceptance stage. It isn't completely frowned upon but within reason. Funny, I belonged to the original Facebook group that pioneered the BLED whitening effects. And to see where it is now (started in late 2021/early 2022). I used to play around with whitening but is very tricky! Fun to play around and see a book improve within matching aging with Interior pages. And the interior pages should ideally be whitened too if they're off white matching with cover. So glad you got Matt Nelson to talk about this! Thanks Mickey! - Erwin
$5.00 that stance on whitening books will change the moment they or cbcs starts to offer that service or as we have seen there profits take another big dip and they have to change the way they view grading and get people to send their purple books back in for grading to get blue labels.
So then whitening books will be perfectly ok as long as it improves there bottom dollar.
exactly!
Or when they start offering whitening as part of their own services 🤔
Thanks for this conversation, Mickey! I've been doing my own cleaning and pressing for a few years now and have even tried the whitening techniques discussed in this video. After a few purple labels, I've definitely learned to dial back (from 100% to 50-75%) on just about everything, including whitening. If you can manage to make a book look cleaner, sharper, and more vivid, but still keep that slightly aged, creamy look, that's the safe, sweet spot.
How did you learn how to clean and press? What pressing machine and cleaning materials do you use? I was thinking about learning how to do it myself instead of using ccs or third party pressers.
@@bandoogiemanz not the original commenter but I would highly recommend a book called “Comic Book CPR” as a place to start.
Things come and go I remember when I first started collecting before there was a CGC people actually paid people to restore books
Personally, before trying the process on high value keys. Take a couple books, run the process and submit until you find the sweet spot.
This was great, thanks for this video!
Throw CGC enough money and miraculously the grade will come out better with no purple label.
One thing that makes me mad about CGC grading is when they grade a book with slightly or plain rust on staple(s). They know full well that over time the rust will continue to degrade the book as their holder isn't air proof. So after a few years after you bought a book with rust on staples you might end up with a book that has rust migration under those staples because as it get more rusted it relaese oils into the fibers of the cover and then in interior pages too !!!!
So they grade books knowing full well that their grade WON'T hold after a few years as rust will have downgraded the book and furthermore the damage will be irreversible too. And as CGC don't want people to change staples EVEN if those are vintage staples unless you want a PLOD shouldn't they disclose on their label when a book as rusted staples EVEN if it's slight OR at least let people change staples and put the book in the Conserved category OR regular label if it'S very well done and using vintage staples? At least the books people will buy won't deteriorate over time just because there was rust or a hint of it on 1 or more staples???
Just got a terrible press job back from cgc
For scarce books where CGC census is more impactful books can usually be photo matched. Older, scarce books have many more flaws and variation in presentation, wrap, stains, tears, etc. CGC photographing every graded book should allow photo matching for resubmissions and removing duplicates from the census (if they care to do it). Keeping these scans public (as they are doing now) is very helpful.
Getting comics graded is scary now.
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You hear stories about certain people not getting their books back and they don’t get a full refund for them being lost.@@bandoogiemanz
Raw comics for life F-CGC
Yep happened to me! Purple label. It’s too bad asm 41 also went from a 7.5 blue to 7.0 purple
Excellent topic and discussion.
When will cgc start pre screening to see if your book can improve in grade from a clean, press, and cover whitening?
Yikes, they won't ever do that. Results are too varied on year of.book and so many other variables. My own presser, one of the best in the biz, Barry, the legend, who has been interviewed by Swagglehaus cant tell me that, that only it WILL improve appeal. Grade bump is what everyone hopes for, but nobody can guarantee that!!!
I have about a dozen labels I plan on sending in.
One of my favourite FF covers was 73 (Daredevil, Thor, Spiderman).
When I see it reproduced with a stark white background I can't help but feel I preferred the (N.Mint) copy I owned back in the day which had a slightly creamy background.
I would swear that there was nothing wrong with my copy.
Maybe copies later off the press changed colour slightly - in which case what was the 'Correct' background colour?
Cream looked great, White looks bleached.
I bought mine new so there was no Jiggery-pokery involved, I'm sure.
PS to the above (Regarding background colour variations) I am British and bought just about every 60s Marvel comic but don't recall that Marvel Chipping was a problem either.
Maybe the UK really did get the early run copies (First off the press)?
If so they would possibly be the more collectible copies if not for the bloody awful Pence pricing ('9d' rather than '12c'.)
Matt made his living in part by pressing before he sold his business to and joined CGC. He’s an authority on pressing for sure
Thanks for a great interview, Mickey.
There is no difference between pressing and a book that spent 3 months under a stack of books.
Same with blue light. No difference between a book that got sun bleached in storefront and blue light.
How natural it looks and feels is the best answer I have ever heard.
If you wihitened the cover and I KNOW about it....I see it as altering the book....I would NOT want it.
If you crack out a 9.6 to go for a 9.8 if you send in the label the grader will already be looking at the book as a 9.6. Whats the incentive to send in the label? A accurate census isn't enough incentive for a CPR junky
They really should get rid of ugly purple label and combine with the grey stripe / conserved label. Very similar categories - one label restored / conserved that presents nicely. Defects/alterations are always described.
I disagree. The purple label should stand out from the other grading classifications in an obvious way, as it's the single most detractor in regards to value.
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Where is the Punisher Label?
Too white is unnatural? Damn... CGC is sooo woke 😂
Will CGC ever approve autographs they didn’t witness but that they can authenticate?
They do now
This guy seems far too concerned with the value of books. His job and his company's job is to GRADE them- nothing more. Notate the book as cleaned and let the people decide. What collectors place more value on should be of no concern to CGC and it definitely shouldn't influence their practices.
WHY is Mr. Nelson going on and on about coins first off. Coins don’t apply to comics We are not over here trying to make our comic books look older either…smh. He spoke candidly about all sorts of crap, but merely touched on comics topics. If you’re going to interview, somebody don’t let them dictate the entire conversation.
For instance, Like him talking to scientists about chemical reactions on paper!!! Bruh, don’t you think that deserves questioning at minimum …totally a one-sided interview.
CGC is the Executive Producer of this video
You never clean a coin it destroys its value.
Matt Nelson is a crook.