SLIP TEST - 4MATIC vs QUATTRO - Mercedes W205 C200 vs Audi A6 2.0 TDI -

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    Mercedes W205 C200 4Matic (2017)
    vs
    Audi A6 2.0 TDI Quattro (2016)
    #duszaniespokojna #4matic #quattro
    After receiving many comments that there is not enough throttle in Mercedes - here is the answer: • 4x4 tests on rollers F...
    Here is also another test - E43 AMG vs the same A6: • SLIP TEST - 4Matic vs ...
    And older generations of A6 and E: • SLIP TEST - Mercedes E...
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  • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
    @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +18

    After receiving many comments that there is not enough throttle in Mercedes - here is the answer: czcams.com/video/NVkyZJlox4Y/video.html
    Here is also another test - E43 AMG vs the same A6: czcams.com/video/BqZv-CFJxqg/video.html
    And older generations of A6 and E: czcams.com/video/3bJ6JOQR2C4/video.html

  • @traffbros
    @traffbros Před 5 lety +2550

    Test is unfair. Cars have different colours

  • @yili7322
    @yili7322 Před 5 lety +1461

    Ladies and gentlemen, I live in Newfoundland which is famous for the amount of snow we have each year in Canada.
    My opinion, due to my wife drives a Mercedes B250 4Matic and I drive an A4 Quattro. The key note is:
    BUYING A GOOD SET OF SNOW TIRE!

    • @moritzstopp6036
      @moritzstopp6036 Před 5 lety +5

      Yep thats that's what I was thinking about too even though I live in southern germany and there isn't much snow sadly.

    • @mikiii880
      @mikiii880 Před 5 lety +27

      @@moritzstopp6036 Winter tyres don't require snow. Once the temp dips below 10 C, summer tyres lose a good portion of their grip due to stiffening.

    • @shakke52
      @shakke52 Před 5 lety +1

      Go studded for the best traction!

    • @yili7322
      @yili7322 Před 5 lety +3

      @@shakke52 , i used to have studded tires on my front wheel drive Jetta. It was great. But I hate the sound from the tires.
      A great set a snow tires on a all wheel drive are good enough for me.

    • @shakke52
      @shakke52 Před 5 lety +1

      @@yili7322 Wish I could do the same here in the northest of the northest, north Scandinavia.

  • @kennycasillas901
    @kennycasillas901 Před 5 lety +53

    This individual does the best objective testing when it comes to awd. I've seen other videos and each manufacturers fanboys all claim to have the best system even when they lose on these simple tests. Listen they all work, differently, but the all work. Go with what you like and have a nice day. No need to bash other people and their preferences.

  • @leventkircalk
    @leventkircalk Před 5 lety +1007

    Test should be done by same person. Driving skills change results. So same test one driver push the pedal smoothly, other driver full throoth.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +61

      Levent Kirca Driving skills has nothing to do here. Driver presses gas pedal and waits for the reaction of system. We do not measure any reaction times of electronics, that is not labolatory test. Nobody uses full throttle, it may damage the car.

    • @martinnikolov2363
      @martinnikolov2363 Před 5 lety +37

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers That's why your test is incorrect..

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +46

      @@martinnikolov2363 Why? I don't meausure miliseconds of systems reaction times, I don't measure Nm's sent to each wheels. Furthermore - every driver knows his car better then me, so I think that owner of the car will do better behind the steering wheel than any other person. And believe me - every owner wants his car to pass all tests.

    • @johna2604
      @johna2604 Před 5 lety +37

      LOL Here the sensors of the car work, skills wouldn't move the car but the sensors that send message to the main computer to start moving the other free wheels

    • @Mr_tunning
      @Mr_tunning Před 5 lety +5

      you should take E classe not c

  • @Greatdome99
    @Greatdome99 Před 4 lety +18

    Rocking back and forth to get out of a jam is something that we've been doing forever. Having your passenger get out and push is another handy aid (especially if she's your mother-in-law).

  • @Singh415
    @Singh415 Před 5 lety +322

    in Mercedes that guy is accelerating so slowly n in Audi hes flooring it. wtf man. dont do that dawg!!

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +10

      Gurpreet Singh Explanation in many other comments.

    • @snorman1911
      @snorman1911 Před 4 lety +15

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers And people in those comments still don't get it! Lol.

    • @migold8309
      @migold8309 Před 4 lety +25

      merc cuts the power, not the driver.

    • @Slazlo-Brovnik
      @Slazlo-Brovnik Před 4 lety +10

      Dear Gurpreet "WTF" Singh:
      I am guessing, the ESP cuts the power. That is also the only reason I can think of, why ESP off should lead to other results.
      You DO need to understand some basic things to get the point of such tests.

    • @joa9069
      @joa9069 Před 4 lety +1

      Gurpreet Singh that’s true

  • @iggibars
    @iggibars Před 5 lety +17

    I've played with these rollers before. It's easy to manipulate the results by altering throttle input. The quicker you hit the throttle, the quicker you pull off the rollers. I had an E350 and 535, and I could easily alter which one appeared to perform better on the rollers. I've never trusted these roller demonstrations ever since, especially ones from dealer or car reviewers of a certain brand. In my opinion, the best way to test AWD capabilities of a car is by testing them on a horizontal incline with the same tires. This has proven to be the best way, but not many people do it.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +1

      iggibars I always tell driver to do that not too slow and not too quick (rollers may hit the car). We usually do a few attempts to find the best level. Reaction times are not measured, that is fun, not labolatory test.

    • @DeadpoolxItachi
      @DeadpoolxItachi Před 5 měsíci

      This is so true my friend. It not a fair testin.

  • @TheMpamMpam
    @TheMpamMpam Před 5 lety +583

    It would really help if you could give us your thoughts on which is better. Thx
    PS : you seem to apply much more gas in the Audi, is there a reason?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +132

      TheMpamMpam I do not judge and I rather would not say which is better. When it comes to gas - Mercedes is cutting throttle much harder than Audi, so that is not driver input.

    • @TheMpamMpam
      @TheMpamMpam Před 5 lety +35

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thx for the explanation regarding the gas. As for the not judging part, you test awd systems and an objective opinion from someone with experience is not judgment, it defeats the whole purpose and would add value to your videos. I would reconsider... Nevertheless, thank you for your videos

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +51

      TheMpamMpam Thank you for suggestion, the problem is that if I say that 4Matic is better, I'll get tens of comments that Mercedes paid me. And vice versa. In fact, even without that I get such comments...
      But if you have questions, it is my pleasure to answer, here or on Facebook.

    • @TheMpamMpam
      @TheMpamMpam Před 5 lety +24

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers I really feel you an understand your perspective. Keyboard warriors are waiting to shoot anytime. But I guess that is a part of the exposure... You get the haters together with the people that appreciate your work. Keep it up

    • @edu.g6082
      @edu.g6082 Před 5 lety +2

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers
      nice answer, anyway which systems does the Benz use for its AWD for front and rear differentials(limited slip differential or braking each wheel individually)
      am surprised to see that its a front bias AWD...!

  • @TomCook1993
    @TomCook1993 Před 5 lety +561

    The rims on that Audi are terrrrrrrible

    • @MrZyLeXx
      @MrZyLeXx Před 5 lety +45

      might look terrible but atleast it goes forward.

    • @TruckerNaz
      @TruckerNaz Před 5 lety +8

      @@MrZyLeXx don't forget they go backward too

    • @yrngeniee
      @yrngeniee Před 5 lety +7

      Dont Buy Base Model lol

    • @simmisingh3652
      @simmisingh3652 Před 5 lety +2

      It’s an old model

    • @rahuldogra
      @rahuldogra Před 5 lety +1

      Mr. Outlaw its a lower model Payextra you will a nice ones

  • @matthias23h
    @matthias23h Před 5 lety +86

    Both systems are working great!
    I'm someone who prefers "quattro" but the Mercedes is doing the same job like the Audi. The quattro system worked quit better here in some situation and the 4 matic system in some situation too. That's all!

  • @luketanner7638
    @luketanner7638 Před 5 lety +4

    Always that 3 wheel test that gets em

  • @calvin4342
    @calvin4342 Před 4 lety +7

    Me encantan estas pruebas, sigan así! Saludos

  • @cassinihuygens
    @cassinihuygens Před 5 lety +113

    they’re both fine just go buy winter tires and move on

  • @bartomiej9617
    @bartomiej9617 Před 5 lety +6

    Świetnie pokazane, że Mercedes lepiej radzi sobie przy delikatniejszym użyciu gazu. Fajny pomysł na test jednak cały efekt psuje fakt, że audi daje od razu pełen gaz.
    Nie chodzi o to czy prywatnie wolę Marca czy Audi bo uważam, że stare dobre Quattro jest najlepsze jadnak w dzisiejszych czasach to już nie to samo. Quattro już tylko z napisu pozostało.

  • @imty8774
    @imty8774 Před 5 lety +5

    Test every car with the awd option. I love these kinds of technical videos instead of the crap the other reviewers give just to make a long ass video. And the best part is that you don't talk and let the results do the talking.

  • @markbrix9385
    @markbrix9385 Před 5 lety +7

    Well, they both seem to work. 4Matic often cuts off the power very fast while Quattro is more constant, very interesting.
    However, I'm glad that BMW's Xdrive did every single one of these tests ;)

  • @michaelbierbaum2201
    @michaelbierbaum2201 Před 5 lety +3

    Super Video

  • @JacobWillumsen
    @JacobWillumsen Před 3 lety +9

    The time from the wheels starting to rotate until the cars move is irrelevant. The number of rotations of the wheels is more accurate.

  • @edwardandrade4390
    @edwardandrade4390 Před 5 lety +3

    Great video

  • @januscher7877
    @januscher7877 Před 5 lety +110

    You should test the mercedes e class 4matic+ and audi a6 or mercedes c class and audi a4

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +2

      A4 has the same awd system as A6. C has the same awd system as E.

    • @bram8333
      @bram8333 Před 5 lety +6

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers but new e class has 4matic *+*

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      @@bram8333 OK, but A6 ain't new here. I would need to find the newest generations of both.

    • @samuilhristov4155
      @samuilhristov4155 Před 4 lety +2

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers yeah but there is a difference in the power, and E class has at least 50hp more than the C and A6 has more HP than the A4

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 4 lety +2

      @@samuilhristov4155 Here you have 190hp in Audi and 183hp in Mercedes. It doesn't matter, during this test cars use maybe 40hp.

  • @eretipas2793
    @eretipas2793 Před 4 lety +20

    You should test the A4 with C-Class or A6 with E-Class

  • @SgtKanyo
    @SgtKanyo Před 5 lety +85

    Honestly I don't see why people say the Audi system is better. Mercedes cuts power a lot sooner, meaning it realizes the loss of grip sooner. With ESP turned off they performed the same.
    Think about it, you're on a wet road, the car starts sliding, you're in the Audi and the wheels are still accelerating trying to find traction when there's none.
    While in the Mercedes, SC kicks in much faster giving you back the control.

    • @zedmund9123
      @zedmund9123 Před 5 lety +8

      Yes the merc had about the same speed with ESP off, but are you going to drive on a wet road with ESP/traction control off? Its cutting the power sooner (more intrusive) but its not sending power back fast enough.

    • @SgtKanyo
      @SgtKanyo Před 5 lety +5

      @@zedmund9123
      Exactly, you probably won't be driving without ESP, especially if you're looking for AWD.
      I'm a RWD type of guy, but I understand those who are looking for AWD are more interested in traction and safety and for that imo having the power cut faster is better. To prevent excessive wheelspin, you need to not just cut power to that wheel, but also slightly brake it so it can regain traction as soon as possible. A good example for this is if you floor a
      FWD car in wet conditions and the wheel starts spinning and you let go of the throttle immediately, the wheels will still be spinning. Same can happen with AWD in extreme conditions.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +14

      SgtKanyo Exactly, once tires start spinning, friction coefficient goes down. And when they are already sliding, they can slide easier than before wheel slip occurs.

    • @zedmund9123
      @zedmund9123 Před 5 lety +2

      @@SgtKanyo understood. Well, in extreme conditions.. I would probably prefer power to the wheels that already have traction to be able to control the already out of control situation. But thats just me, using the accelerator to maintain balance.. and its hard to go for a light brake in an emergency moment, too much braking and you will slide to heaven
      But based on what youve said the merc would definitely be better in preventing an emergency situation in the first place(cutting power).

    • @charity9685
      @charity9685 Před 5 lety +5

      Quattro is better in snow and rain

  • @ghazibagazi9687
    @ghazibagazi9687 Před 5 lety +1

    Finaly which one win ? Which one is the best?

  • @bencrosbie
    @bencrosbie Před 5 lety +1

    Not bad. The 3 wheel test is what most would fail on. think audi does more wheel spin than the merc. Both take a while for one of the wheels to kick in at all.

  • @rimax82
    @rimax82 Před 3 lety +3

    You forgot to test with all 4 wheels on the roll 😂

  • @r129r16pfl
    @r129r16pfl Před 5 lety +12

    I want to see the MB G klasse with 3 locking diff's on rollers

  • @Arppa00
    @Arppa00 Před 5 lety

    hi i don't know if you have done alredy but you should do a old mercedes awd vs new
    old like the w124 1985-1995 and new like that c model you had on this video or e model
    it would be nice to see how the 4matic has improved over the years.or maybe it has gotten worse ??

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      Arppa Viuhko I would do such test with pleasure, it is all up to people who owns such cars, everybody is welcome for the test!

  • @paultormaehlen5259
    @paultormaehlen5259 Před 2 lety

    Would be cool if you would test the 4Matic+ System

  • @elie955eai
    @elie955eai Před 5 lety +17

    Hey, nice videos. But didn't the audi have an advantage considering it's a diesel with better low end torque?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +6

      Elie Abou Issa Thanks. There is not much torque needed in such tests, so no real advantage. Good awd systems pass these tests even if cars have no turbo small petrol engines.

    • @oguzhaneren
      @oguzhaneren Před 5 lety +6

      This is mainly a electronic locking diff test, rather than engine power/torque.

    • @zepter00
      @zepter00 Před 5 lety

      Elie Abou Issa no.

  • @a523266
    @a523266 Před 5 lety +9

    Машинки симпатичные особенно Мерс

  • @user-qo5no2ne4s
    @user-qo5no2ne4s Před 5 lety +1

    Good test

  • @TheEduventura25
    @TheEduventura25 Před 5 lety +1

    Bem legal esse teste. Só pedir ao motorista do Mercedes para acelerar mais forte em algumas situações.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +1

      Eduardo Ventura He can't, system is cutting power. Gas pedal was sometimes pressed to the floor.

  • @martinskamla6789
    @martinskamla6789 Před 5 lety +7

    All grip would just get of really fast

  • @stayer85
    @stayer85 Před 2 lety

    Czy W213 E63 ma centralny dyfer+ clutch pack czy jedynie clutch pack w transfer case?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 2 lety

      Niestety nie mam wiedzy na ten temat.
      Edit: jeśli ten sam układ ma E43, to jest to otwarty dyfer bez sprzęgła.

  • @snorman1911
    @snorman1911 Před 4 lety

    What's the functional difference between both rollers on one side vs diagonal?

  • @Samed21
    @Samed21 Před 5 lety +9

    Tested Lada Niva

  • @nickjewlz1019
    @nickjewlz1019 Před 5 lety +3

    Personally from viewing, the Audi appears to let more revs due to the system realising a wheel still has suitable traction and letting the others spin freely to allow for future traction. The Benz does realise the wheel with traction but has a limited amount of wheel spin speed before cutting power if all wheels aren't moving after a certain point. One thinks it's stuck(Audi) hence why it allows more power till all wheels spin, the other thinks it's moving and losing traction(Benz) hence why it limits power to get all wheels to same speed which is for control and stability. In the end it's kind of inconclusive but they're doing as programmed

  • @yomo68
    @yomo68 Před 3 lety

    My uncle added (rear) differential lock mechanism in his E55 after watching videos like this

    • @hahgay3837
      @hahgay3837 Před 3 lety

      Ah ok. But why so comment in this video

  • @orical2832
    @orical2832 Před 2 lety +1

    These tests makes me realise just how good my Subaru Outback is...

  • @ActrosTIRBosniaZUNNA
    @ActrosTIRBosniaZUNNA Před 4 lety +8

    Mercedes😍

  • @MD-xc1zs
    @MD-xc1zs Před 5 lety +11

    Quatro>4Matic>Xdrive that's all

  • @ChrisJBN
    @ChrisJBN Před 5 lety

    Are the rims on the Mercedes bigger? That would explain why people seem to think you’re revving the Audi more. That as well as both AWD systems react differently as you have already said.

  • @manu144x
    @manu144x Před 3 lety

    To avoid these issues use an OBD reader and show on the screen the position of the throttle.
    That way everyone can see it’s the car making the decisions.

  • @HowardSail
    @HowardSail Před 5 lety +4

    The problem is that you can't compare two cars that are not comparable. For a really fair test it would require two cars with the same weight, the same tires, the same rim sizes, the same power and the same torque. Not to mention humidity and climatic conditions. Or the fact that the driver cannot reproduce the same movement in the same way for each of the two cars. I think that 4matic or Quattro, these two technologies are equivalent and very efficient, it's only a matter of taste. Very few people will have enough experience to identify the difference between these two technologies. Otherwise the video remains interesting!

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +1

      AWOL MX All the factors you mention would be important in labolatory test. But not here, where we do that for fun, without any measurments of time, Nm etc. This is very easy test which shows basic operation of traction control and awd system. No judgements.

    • @HowardSail
      @HowardSail Před 5 lety +2

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers Of course, I agree with you it's obvious and then there are no cars at Mercedes and Audi that are really identical so we can never really get a 100% accurate result. But the video is well in all respects to understand the mechanism and its effectiveness, nice job !

    • @Mr0supra0
      @Mr0supra0 Před 5 lety +1

      Tires, weight, rims have no impact on rollers, none. Power and torque doesn't matter either because neither of the cars will actually use the power/torque they have in this test, not even close. You could have 1000hp and 1000NM, and 200hp and 300NM in the other, and none of them will use their whole power. This is just a test of the AWD systems itself.

    • @UPR91
      @UPR91 Před 5 lety +1

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thx a lot man for the work you've done and shared. Even with not fully identical condition, that is very instructive to see the behavior of the different system. You've made your experience as an engineer do with what he has. I think the experience with 1 or 2 free wheels was very representative. With 3 free wheels, the contact pressure of the 4th wheel could be very affected by the fact you lifted the car entirely, the resulting force will be the consequence of the shock absorber stiffness and stroke. It could be very different between the 2 cars. Anyway, I liked the demonstration you've made with the different ESP/TC mode. Theses infos are hard to understand and feel just by driving or reading the f manual.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      @@UPR91 Thanks. Unfortunately I am not an engineer...
      When it comes to test on three rollers - everything you wrote would be correct if the test was simulating real situation. But IMHO it is not possible in reality to have three wheels with 0% traction and one wheel with 100% traction, that is fun test. I am buying a barrel of whiskey to a person who will show me a car stuck in such condition 🙂

  • @fakedflyer4451
    @fakedflyer4451 Před 5 lety +4

    When you try to make Mercedes look bad by gently tapping on the gas but in the Audi pedal to the medal??

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      Faked Flyer In fact, there was pedal to the metal in Mercedes, not Audi. Think and try to find out how's that possible.

  • @joepopes7923
    @joepopes7923 Před 3 lety +1

    Pretty much the same. But a car is normally in motion and that's where it counts how the system works. What I know is, the 4-Matic goes very well on the beach in my ML. My Mitsubishi Triton 4WD had more problems even in low gear. We do not have snow here in Australia.

  • @adisadis6313
    @adisadis6313 Před 4 lety +1

    Finally, after all those videos, wich car perfoms better....?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 4 lety

      Better than what? If you mean the best then there is a few like Jeep, Subaru, Suzuki, Land Rover, Tesla...

    • @adisadis6313
      @adisadis6313 Před 4 lety

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers i mean 4×4...

  • @FOGoticus
    @FOGoticus Před 5 lety +6

    What does this test prove exactly?

  • @weeknightdrive3368
    @weeknightdrive3368 Před 5 lety +118

    Audi driver cheats by jamming pedal to the floor. Hence system is forced to react faster. Your comparison SUCKS

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +15

      Weeknight Drive It was explained million times. Especially for you, I am not going to explain it any more.

    • @socrates5573
      @socrates5573 Před 5 lety

      I totally agree with you, Audi sucks, Mercedes too, BMW is the best

    • @antypoliticobumbum
      @antypoliticobumbum Před 5 lety +1

      @@socrates5573 love it hahaha

    • @3oHe1
      @3oHe1 Před 5 lety +8

      @@socrates5573 and you are brainless if oyu think bmw is better than audi and mercedes bmw is trash car

    • @socrates5573
      @socrates5573 Před 5 lety

      @@3oHe1 You fucking nuts, STFU

  • @macak3140
    @macak3140 Před 4 lety +1

    Compare e220 vs audi a6 or c class vs a4

  • @hamag1973
    @hamag1973 Před 5 lety

    Intresting test. I did not belive this systems to be that bad. This was an eye opener for me.

  • @edwindominguez2548
    @edwindominguez2548 Před 5 lety +8

    I like the video a lot i mean Audi does spend millions of dollars to research awd systems mercedez is more of like an offer of awd but not their center point. Also their specialty is rwd not awd. Quattro is so sophisticated it can send power to other wheels within milliseconds i dont think it was unfair i just think the tests show the truth. My Audi has seen snow and never gotten stuck

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      Edwin Dominguez Actually, there are some systems which are faster than Quattro. When it comes to Mercedes, in others models (G, GLC etc.) they have systems which can pass all tests probably easier than any Audi, so they somehow use different software in different models (so is Audi in fact).

    • @edwindominguez2548
      @edwindominguez2548 Před 5 lety

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers Audi is now using a new system of quattro look it up is called ultra technology

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      @@edwindominguez2548 I tested it a few months ago, check my channel.

    • @Doa744
      @Doa744 Před 5 lety

      hey my RWD AMG has seen snow and never got stuck... what does that prove?

    • @edwindominguez2548
      @edwindominguez2548 Před 5 lety

      @@Doa744 never said it couldn't ive owned fwd audi a4 that dont struggle at all and just saying that if awd is your specialty youre going to be better

  • @User-wb3pk
    @User-wb3pk Před 5 lety +44

    If you slow down the video you can see that mb needs less wheel spins than audi

  • @NieZnaszMnieON90
    @NieZnaszMnieON90 Před 5 lety

    Kiedy W205 bedzie kosztowal ok 50 k ?

  • @junjun2673
    @junjun2673 Před 5 lety +1

    Actually people do not know much about all wheel drive. For the cars like C class and A4, all wheel drive is for better traction to drive on the road. In such extreme condition when 3 tires lose traction, it is not about how strong the car can distribute torque. The real off road vehicle would have differential lock, and you have to activate it manually to lock the torque distribution. Eventually, all the wheels would rotate at same speed with same torque regardless traction if the vehicle has all 3 locks, also such vehicle usually also have low gear to increase the torque by reducing the speed. Please check the physics of flying wheel. There are 3 differential locks and they come in order. Central lock causes front and rear tires have equal torque, rear lock causes both rear tire has equal torque, front lock just same as other. However, only a few real off road vehicles have front lock such as G class or Jeep Wrangler. For example, the current X5 does not have any lock, but the all new X5 has it as option. The old ML has lock, but the current GLE does not.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      @Jun Jun I understand what you wanted to say, but your comment (and understanding) is full of huge mistakes. You can't lock the torque distribution by locker, they are doing exactly the opposite thing. Any lock (front/rear, left/right) causes that torque distribution is no more equal to 50-50, but varies from ~0-100 to ~100-0. Only open differentials have always equal torque.

  • @kulifrunsen
    @kulifrunsen Před 5 lety +9

    That A6 look like an inferior car when in reality it's a much more expensive car. The A6 competes with the E class

  • @laurezxdrive1858
    @laurezxdrive1858 Před 5 lety +3

    4Matic and XDrive😏😏😏

  • @sarge27271
    @sarge27271 Před 5 lety

    I am surprised to see the Mercedes seemingly slow to react to the situation, considering they make Unimog.......maybe driver input?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      Here are tests with different cars and different drivers:
      czcams.com/video/ydJ8o81jpVA/video.html
      czcams.com/video/RSZvuYUqNro/video.html

  • @ruzzelladrian907
    @ruzzelladrian907 Před 4 lety

    2:48 4Matic and Quattro cannot send power individual wheels in the rear.
    SH-AWD claims it can send power to individual wheels in the rear. I'd like to see an comparison. There's an explanation to why 4Matic can't send power to individual wheels in the rear, it's design makes it lightweight, but still works great.

  • @gm9464
    @gm9464 Před 5 lety +6

    c class vs a6 🤷‍♂️

  • @ivan9066
    @ivan9066 Před 5 lety +3

    I'm a Mercedes fan boy, and yet i can say that the quattro system is more complex.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      @Draggy654 In this case both cars have full time, always on awd systems with mechanical center differential.

    • @ivan9066
      @ivan9066 Před 5 lety

      @Draggy654 since the 2nd gen 4matic its an all time awd. I drive an E320 4matic, goes like a rally car in snow.

  • @vladmihai306
    @vladmihai306 Před rokem

    the haldex on the new arteon fares much better somehow

  • @yomeyo6622
    @yomeyo6622 Před 4 lety

    Looking at the video, it looks like the Mercedes driver was always going easy on the gas pedal, while the Audi driver was pushing the gas a bit more, which makes it an unfair test. However, after reading the comments, the tester says that because the Mercedes ECU cuts the power at 1,000 RPMs, while Audi's ECU lets the revs go higher. If that's the case, then how about you give the viewers some type of visual clue as of the pressure applied on the gas pedal, and rpms maybe? This way, we can all witness that the drivers are applying the exact same pressure on the gas pedals, but each vehicle reacts differently by regulating the RPMs. We need something about that, otherwise, it really looks like it's not the same power applied on both cars.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 4 lety +1

      Idea is good, in fact there are some older videos with additional camera on speedometer & tachometer but here's another problem - we are always looking for optimum level of throttle: czcams.com/video/dFs0OOUtPeE/video.html (speed range up to 30 km/h). This level is different in different cars, so within a minute we would get the comments that test is unfair cause throttle is not the same. Or why do we keep the car at 1000 rpm. So another camera needed on the foot. And another comments that the footage is fake and furthermore - driver is moving the steering wheel. So anyway I would have to expalin everything million times.

  • @maxehv
    @maxehv Před 5 lety +5

    Learned nothing from this, the audi is giving much more revs so the traction system engages faster

  • @RaphaelKing1337228
    @RaphaelKing1337228 Před 5 lety +10

    На мерсе трогается плавно, а на ауди во всю тапку жмёт

  • @esapatatube
    @esapatatube Před 5 lety

    Remember the Audi quattro was the first serie car 4x4 at decade 70

  • @KilobaiD
    @KilobaiD Před 5 lety

    How did you activate only rwd or awd

  • @nemanjaknezevic4797
    @nemanjaknezevic4797 Před 5 lety +4

    Audi Driver press full gas,Mercedes driver press smoothly gas!

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +1

      Actually it is exactly the opposite... czcams.com/video/NVkyZJlox4Y/video.html

  • @autobattle985
    @autobattle985 Před 5 lety +5

    На 3:35 чёрный дымок у мерседеса

  • @kde5fan737
    @kde5fan737 Před 4 lety +1

    I've seen a lot of cars fail the 3 roller test which I kind of find hard to believe. How much power can be transfered to a single wheel? If these cars have say 200hp and even if one wheel only gets 25%, that's 50hp which should be more than enough to move the car forward and over the tiny bump of the rollers. Now add in power split, where more power is sent to the wheel with grip, even if it's only 50% that's 100hp which should be PLENTY for all of these cars to move off the rollers - regardless if these cars are lacking torque (which they probably have a minimum of 180ftlbs at 1500 rpm in these models - probably much more.
    So why are they struggling? What am I missing here. I've driven cars that didn't weigh much less than these things but had only 71-110hp (some only ~75-112ft lbs torqrue) and even when one wheel was on ice, the other on pavement, it had plenty of power to drive off - but it was a 2wd car - I'be driven FWD & RWD cars like this. So these underpowered cars (with similar power per drive wheel) managed to drive off in icy conditions w/o any traction control & relying on driver "skill".
    Am I missing something with these AWD systems" how can they not drive off any roller when at least one wheel has full contact. I would think that would be a MANDATORY minimum for any AWD system, and any car that can't do that, I have to question the engineering and numbers they are claiming.
    So are these cars not getting off the rollers b/c they don't have enough power going to one wheel? Is it because of the physics of the roller's - having to drive the car up and over the slight diameter of the roller (which doesn't seem like much, but it might be more difficult than thought - I'd like to see the physics of this). We need a deeper look into this situation.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 4 lety +1

      There are many underpowered cars that can pass three roller tests, so it is all up to awd system and traction control. Software must be smart enough to recognise the situation and divide the torque. It doesn't matter if car has 1000hp or 100hp engine, there's just a small amount of that needed in the test. But that must be send to appriopriate wheel.
      These rollers are indeed "deep", so car must climb a little - that is also harder than it looks, in fact harder than an incline. There is technical drawing in FAQ 1 video.

  • @FEGTTTSDH
    @FEGTTTSDH Před 4 lety +1

    I don´t how feel, when the Dacia duster makes the 3 wheeler better...

  • @joejagce6094
    @joejagce6094 Před 4 lety +23

    Audi driver very aggressive on the pedal

  • @Johann_Weis
    @Johann_Weis Před 5 lety +54

    Quattro without Torsen is not Quattro.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +1

      Анатолий Малышкин Do you think there is no torsen A6?

    • @Johann_Weis
      @Johann_Weis Před 5 lety +2

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers why this A6 don't ride on 1 rear wheel? Its rear diff not blocked, therefore it's not Torsen. Correct?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +2

      @@Johann_Weis I have no idea what you mean. Rear and front diffs are open. Center one may be torsen or crown gear diff, dependent on version.

    • @Johann_Weis
      @Johann_Weis Před 5 lety +1

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers yes, both diffs are open, but Torsen are selfblock diff, aren't he? So, why car not ride on 1 wheel?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +9

      Анатолий Малышкин Torsen is not locking, that is common mistake. Torsen cannot lock, it only multiplies the torque. But it needs grip. If there is no grip, it works like an open diff.
      And it has nothing to do with test where only one wheel has grip, that is up to front or rear diff.

  • @artaxerxe1
    @artaxerxe1 Před 3 lety +1

    Wow! The 4 matic is so much smoother! Unexpected, really!

  • @kde5fan737
    @kde5fan737 Před 4 lety

    I think these roller tests are slightly unfair to the cars. Even though it doesn't seem like the tires are sunk down between the rollers, the angle of the rollers (diameter of them) and the space between them, and the fact they spin (obviously) will effect how much power is needed to pull the car out of the rollers and I think we are underestimating the amount of power needed to do this.
    I would be very interested to see some rollers that are like 4-6" diameter or even 16-24" (and single roller). The smaller rollers spaced as close as possible and mounted in a recessed floor - like a dyno setup. The 16-24" rollers would be setup like a dyno setup as well. This would be much more expensive to setup but it would provide a more real world test for driving conditions on a flat surface or even ice that has been slightly chewed away b/c spinning tires (especially the 2 4"-6" rollers would mimick this better).
    I have a suspicion that all these cars would pass these tests with only one wheel driving the car. I think there is much more power needed to get off the rollers in the video than people think, which is why in many of these tests, cars with higher power or much less weight do much better on the test.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 4 lety

      If rollers were like you described then cars would be able to pass the test even on four rollers 🙂

  • @yasarcelik8132
    @yasarcelik8132 Před 5 lety +3

    Audi quattro is best

  • @Moro8903
    @Moro8903 Před 5 lety +90

    Szkoda że audi ruszało na pełnej pi****e, a Mercedes na pół gwizdka -.-

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      Mo Ro Odpowiedziałem Ci na to w innym komentarzu.

    • @jackm3458
      @jackm3458 Před 5 lety +14

      Być może to wynika z skrzyni biegów i sterownika ale i tak widać przewagę Mercedesa

    • @Kamil-si3cc
      @Kamil-si3cc Před 5 lety +7

      T P pokaz mi ta przewagę ?

    • @jackm3458
      @jackm3458 Před 5 lety +6

      Przenieś to na warunki drogowe na przykład ruszasz na śliskim i tak w audi zanim zadziała jakikolwiek system trakcji bądź mechanizmy rużnicowe o ograniczonym poślizgu (o ile jest więcej niż jeden między osiowy a raczej nie ma więcej) to te koła które ruszyły wyślizgują sobie dołek i nie są wstanie nawet w niewielkim stopniu wspomóż podczas gdy Mercedes w podobnej sytuacji ma szansę skożystać z nawet nie wielkiej sily przyczepności kół ponieważ nie zrywa na starcie przyczepności bo rusza płynnie.

    • @filmydlawszystkich2157
      @filmydlawszystkich2157 Před 5 lety

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers Jaki to jest napęd quattro, stały na 4 czy załączany?

  • @worldpeace5853
    @worldpeace5853 Před rokem

    Are both drivers the same weight?

  • @theblitz1687
    @theblitz1687 Před 5 lety +2

    how does turning esp off helps?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +2

      The Blitz There is no cut of engine power.

    • @theblitz1687
      @theblitz1687 Před 5 lety +3

      i guess i should learn what esp actually does. thanks

    • @grivious31
      @grivious31 Před 5 lety

      The Electronic Stability Program is used on modern vehicules to take partially control on power input and braking in case of a detection of a control loss.
      For example, if you're going in a turn at a high speed or too great angle of steer, the sensors will get this and the program will do the rest.
      Also helps on keeping the wheels from spinning when applying too much throttle.
      Cordially.

    • @lauri.99
      @lauri.99 Před 5 lety

      Yes ESP system brakes when necessary to keep car in straight line to prevent it sliding side ways. In modern cars in that esp system are also included many more system like asr. All these systems together can brake wheels cut power from engine etc....

  • @almighty9662
    @almighty9662 Před 5 lety +166

    They push the gas on audi much more this is sponsored

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +27

      Here is exactly the same A6 vs other cars, watch these videos and tell me - who sponsored them?
      czcams.com/video/hbqio0l0ins/video.html
      czcams.com/video/XHILX16U1ko/video.html
      czcams.com/video/JU2fJN8dbWU/video.html
      czcams.com/video/BqZv-CFJxqg/video.html
      When it comes to throttle - there are many (not mine) videos showing the same behaviour of 4Matic (with ESP ON, full throttle), here is an example:
      czcams.com/video/U-FoUTPja4Y/video.html
      With ESP OFF - what is driver doing in 3:30 if not accelerating hard??

    • @remminytro
      @remminytro Před 5 lety +3

      A S exactly!

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety +17

      widesinder x I see you are the same smart. Really, learn about 4matic, watch other videos and you will understand what BS you write.
      By the way - I got confused, is it sponsored by Audi or Mercedes?

    • @remminytro
      @remminytro Před 5 lety +1

      duszaniespokojna Take a hide..

    • @almighty9662
      @almighty9662 Před 5 lety +4

      @@4x4.tests.on.rollers how rude u are and u want subs and views on ur videos we gonna report ur video asap

  • @jdkodak487
    @jdkodak487 Před 5 lety +29

    The trim of the cars are too far apart c200 to A6. Still would take Mercedes over a Audi anyday.

    • @Gizawar
      @Gizawar Před 5 lety

      Yeah it should be E class vs A6 or C class vs A4

    • @andreaskretzinger6405
      @andreaskretzinger6405 Před 5 lety

      Why - the C-Class have the same AWD as the E-Class (45:55), the GLA, A, have an "hang-on" like "Haldex" from the Volkswagen/Audi

  • @joepopes7923
    @joepopes7923 Před 5 lety

    Nice video. It shows how a modern 4WD works. It's about electronics and they are nearly the same. The older Quattro Drive was way better, it was a real mechanical 4WD, but much more expensive to build. Today a 4WD is nothing more than an all wheel drive with all breaks controlled by sensors and electronics. Now it's up to the programmer, what his priorities are and it's always a compromise. When this cars getting older, there are to many things that can go wrong and break down. I prefer older Quattros and Subarus. I really would like to see the same test old Quattro vs. new one.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      joe popes Maybe next year I will do video "old vs new", so far maybe this will be interesting: czcams.com/video/n-iljij5KQ0/video.html
      There is no old Quattro which can pass all tests, it is probably the same with Subaru: czcams.com/video/PnzRqM3FlWA/video.html

  • @equaliser2265
    @equaliser2265 Před 5 měsíci

    Please write what car is being tested each time it appears.

  • @samrowell2418
    @samrowell2418 Před 3 lety +3

    Mercedes all the way 🙌

  • @luminitagabrielafloroiuhos921

    😍 Audi Quattro Allroad

  • @vincentvincent4898
    @vincentvincent4898 Před 3 lety

    So what’s the conclusion?

  • @zbigniewg9736
    @zbigniewg9736 Před 5 lety

    Remake it. Add the vision of rpm in the corner of screen. It's simply visible that different amount of throttle is applied. And the last test with safety systems turned off only with the Mercedes. In which department of the Audi company does the author work?

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      Zbigniew G Before you write any other ridiculous comment, check the description of this channel and other videos. Next, go and learn something about 4Matic. This system is hardly cutting throttle, in three roller test driver was flooring.

  • @ayushasuvarna.8399
    @ayushasuvarna.8399 Před 5 lety +4

    Applying more gas for the Audi 😂

  • @TM-fd4tm
    @TM-fd4tm Před 5 lety +13

    QUATTRO rules

  • @GMONEYFIFTYFOUR
    @GMONEYFIFTYFOUR Před 5 lety

    The cars are in different locations along with everything else.

  • @gumbog.l1450
    @gumbog.l1450 Před 4 lety

    Powerful

  • @jackm3458
    @jackm3458 Před 5 lety +7

    Widać przewagę Mercedesa chociaż jestem ciekaw jak wyglądałoby porównanie z Subaru

  • @beharpeza9409
    @beharpeza9409 Před 5 lety +17

    Thats what i wona say why do you aply more gas at the audi.not fair

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 5 lety

      Behar Peza Where do you see more gas at Audi?

    • @wwyk1993
      @wwyk1993 Před 5 lety +8

      He didn't apply more gas in the Audi, it's just the Mercedes cutting power due to loss of grip

  • @mr.febrian9248
    @mr.febrian9248 Před 4 lety

    Which is Audi and which is mercy? There are so similar design on the side

  • @siangetz8808
    @siangetz8808 Před 5 lety

    I have 09 civic
    I drive it through mud and gravel to office
    Life is good

  • @gabrijelkordic1652
    @gabrijelkordic1652 Před 4 lety +3

    I am Mercedes fan but Audi is best with quattro power Audi is winner😐

  • @CKA_HAX
    @CKA_HAX Před 4 lety +3

    Хонду надо

  • @sawomirzaba3101
    @sawomirzaba3101 Před 2 lety

    Ile kierowca audi dodaje więcej gazu?, w stosunku do mercedesa

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers  Před 2 lety

      Daje mniej. To kierowca Mercedesa chwilami wciskał gaz nawet do podłogi.

  • @Eric-zs6rd
    @Eric-zs6rd Před 4 lety

    We have an Audi A6, A 4x4 Dodge truck and a corvette. For whatever reason, females think that the audi's "quattro" is a more capable system for low traction scenarios than the truck with a real transfer case, 4 low, and diff lockers. The power of marketing.