Dr. Darren Staloff, Vico's New Science of History
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Vico's New Science is a unique work in all of philosophy. A breathtaking work with clarity of reasoning that is unparalleled in history. Should be taught and read by everyone. Very happy to hear Dr. Staloff giving a lecture on it!
Yeah. And it's rarely discussed. I don't know why.
@@czarquetzal8344 maybe the upper crust are afraid they will lose their positions.. or their heads. Like Staloff claimed, if you push a society that isn’t culturally ready for such changes/revelations you risk pushing it off a cliff into barbarism.. Yet I think maybe now more than ever, with modern tech/automation/ “robotic slavery”/ etc., we might be able to prevent a good deal of the chaos of that “not everyone can have it” line.
Holy smokes 🔥 Vico presaged Hegel, Nietzsche, Marx and Lacan.. Who did Vico read? His thought sounds almost impossibly pragmatic and original.
Plato’s Republic (with its idea of the analogy between successions of polities of a state and personalities of a man) for sure! :)
He was the son of a librarian. I suppose he augmented his education with all sorts of classical tomes.
Vico was read by goethe and marx. Nietzsche read goethe. Freud read Nietzsche. And Lacan read both nietzsche and Freud. So yes, you can certainly confirm a chain from vico to all the later continental philosophy. I don't know about hegel. But if marx can read vico, most likely hegel would have too.
Vicos four authors were Plato tacitus homer and bacon and the authors he didn't talk about because of the fear of the inquisition were Hobbes Machiavelli and spinoza.
Really enjoyed this. Thank you Dr. Stalloff and Dr. Sugrue.
At first I couldn’t accept his haircut. Now I appreciate that a man who can prove to me that conjuncture is a real word is worthy of my unrestrained respect.
LOL
His Hirsuteness
is not of a
Heretical Hippie
but of a
Heroic Hebrew
That's a Spartan haircut.
I see the repeating swings of history's pendulum, but it doesn't seem random. There seem to be specific individuals who move great swaths of historical events in one direction or another--not by chance, but by design for specific purposes. We're living it now.
Vico's philosophy is a very complex one. This lecture on Vico is greatly appreciated.
13:44 *Verum factum* “We know what we have made-the reason we know the truth about mathematics in a clear and distinct way is because we’ve made those scientific entities, we invented them, we posited them and we formulated them. Even in our science our experiments turn to be a sort of making, an incomplete making, but nonetheless a making that gives us an incomplete practical certainty.
History is obviously made exclusively by humanity-therefore since it is cognitively constructed by man it can be understood by man with scientific certainty. And I want to stress what he means by _’making something’._ When we _make a concept_ in physics, what he means to say is we take a range of phenomenon and cognitively construct that into an entity. And because we’ve cognitively constructed in a precise way to accord with our experimental results we have in a sense mentally _’made it’_ as an object. We’ve demarcated a range of the phenomena of experiences we’ve had, parsed them into a certain bit and called that a certain thing.”
This has been a really important lecture for me. Thanks!
Thanks for this lecture. Has been curious about Vico. Gadamer mentioned him in relation to Descartes's ideal of certain knowledge as embraced by modern science.
I was really waiting on this one!! Thank You!
Does anyone know what song plays at the beginning of these videos?? I’ve come to associate it with knowledge and some aesthetic ideal, and I’d love to listen to it in its completeness.
Bach's 2nd Bradenburg Concerto
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Vico's theorizing almost certainly was based on Ibn Khaldun's treatise on the rise and fall of civilizations. I had pointed out this fact in a comment a few days ago. Was it dropped, censored? I don't know.
Khaldun's works date from around 1377 ce.
I don't know if Vico had access to Ibn Khaldun (had it been translated? did Vico have a copy?) but you are right Ibn Khaldun was a very important thinker. Look me up on Substack for my remarks on Islamic history.
Wow one of the few videos I didn’t press reply, I was hooked and intrigued. Thanks 😁👍🏾
Thanks!
Agamennon sacrificed iphiginea not briseis, well, literally anyway.
... but she was saved anyway and sent to Taurus where she was found by Pylades and Orestes.
45:42 Dr. Staloff's advice is poignant here.
Ha! Brilliant
I love it
Thank you for sharing
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38:34 - SOUND FAMILIAR?
We are at the end of this cycle. Beware of Kali Yuga.
Yeah but we don’t have to lose our heads in recoil of relativism-patterns may repeat but the world is also new in manifold ways. Critique moved us past positivism into a more nuanced idea of pragmatism, into “warranted assertablility”, into the realms of context and registers, into peer review and intersubjective relationships-we have picked up the loving knife of immanent critique and can cut against “the other in ourselves” now in a more generative/fruitful pursuit of reason. We can “tarry with the negative” as Hegel put it. Not to say the future is all roses (not at all) but to say that it isn’t necessarily destined for hell-we can intervene in our pattern in newer and more loving ways.
dude looks like he's selling timeshares ngl
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Vico's assertion that mathematics is purely human construct is quite specious (= and doesn't really make any sense.
Here is a thought experiment to make this point clear. Let's imagine, for the sake of argument, that Pythagoras worshipped number 3, but really disliked number 2. Would he be able to construct the Pythagorean theorem differently, if he really wanted to, like instead of making the sum of squares of sides of right triangle to be equal to square of its hypotenuse (a^2+b^2=c^2), he would instead made is so that the sum of _cubes_ of sides of right triangle would equal to _cube_ of its hypotenuse (a^3+b^3=c^3)?
If Vico's assertion be correct, then _theoretically_ Pythagoras could have constructed the Pythagorean theorem based on cubes, and not on squares, as he had done. But if he couldn't do it differently, this only means that *he did not really construct it, but rather discovered it* and thus mathematics is not a human construct. Mathematics is reality and even (as some put it) a _hyperreality._
A bird can use mathematics to sing? Or is he just following his instinct?
Or it’s us, humans, that ascribe a numerical or musical pattern to that sound?
Maybe the bird does all of these 3, but his “math” is different than our “math”. There is a race of crow that cannot count for example. Yet, he still understands patterns, physics, and learns them.
So if crow math and human math are both different and real, this means that there is an “original” math that even we don’t know?
Personally I always saw mathematics as a language invented to translate reality.
It’s based on reality. But it’s still a human language.
Gravity exists. We wrote the law to understand it. Angles and shapes exists and have qualities. But we isolate them from entropy when we need to study them, in a very unnatural way. Which works anyway. But still…
A perfect building could stand forever if we follow math. But we can’t reach the same perfection of our theories in real life. Maybe we can perfect this? I think we’ll never stop to.
This is what I think. I do see your point. I just think we have to look at it a bit more broadly.
Vicos claim that man can know the truth of mathematics comes from the ancient Italian language were the truth and the made are convertible.
His views on mathematics are a little too nuanced and understudied to be done justice in a fraction of a 45 minute lecture. There’s a general confusion on this topic in the Vichian academic world too, not helped by previous misreadings of him as an unqualified nominalist when he was really more of a constructivist and Euclidean, believing in mathematics as having a transitional nature between metaphysical first substance and physics as opposed to empirical or rationalist views such as Descartes’ analytical geometry. There’s a great essay on this by David R Lachterman called Mathematics and Nominalism in Vico’s Liber Metaphysicus if you’re interested. I only have a pdf, no link unfortunately.
I watch it and I am a man too! I'm afraid of this next stage and its dissolution.
The age of man has 500 to 1000 years to run , don't be afraid.
Thanks!