Installing And Testing The New SC-01 SPEECH Chip Emulator In A GORF Cabaret Sized Arcade Machine!
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Hey all! I’m Alberto from Italy, the designer of the SC-01 emulator and a great fan of the channel.
It was a great surprise and an honor to see it featured here!
If you have any questions, feel free to ask me anything.
Alberto, it's a nice little product, i'm glad to see you found the video! Thank you for watching!!!
@Mr Guru I'll try to do my best to keep it in production for the years to come.
@Mr Guru so, replacing a custom chip with a custom chip. Makes sense.
@@destroyit42 Great work! I love those STM32F's. It is a miracle how much computing power and peripherals can fit in one small $4 chip.
Space Audit he is supposed to be saying Space Cadet
For a heatsink on your video IC just use a flat sheet of aluminium about 4-5 times the width of the IC, it'll be as effective as those low profile finned heatsink. Use black anodised aluminium for a slightly better thermal performance.
Yep, it’s all about surface area. You can also directionally scratch the surface of the sheet to help further. The fan is great as well.
I was gonna say similar. Get a larger, flatter heatsink and it'll work just as well, if not better than the ones they fitted to the chips originally. For a similar demonstration, Virtua Racing on the Genesis uses a similar method to try to keep the Virtua chip cool.
Black anodized just emits more more heat as IR, this will heat anything in line of sight and can cause other issues if other parts are in line of sight.
Loved GORF back in the day! A friend and I used to mimic the speech; saying "INSERT GROIN" instead of "COIN"!! Well we were only 13 or 14!! Childhood memories are magical, and channels like Joe's help us all relive those lost times.
Gorf brings me back to my early teens . How many hours I spent on that game !
The sound alone triggers so many memories. Classic 80s that can never be forgotten. Thanks for sharing Ron… definitely made my day 👍🏻
Thanks for watching man, it's such a classic, stuck in a moment in time!
@@LyonsArcade you sir are what keeps old school alive ! Thank you!!!!
I'm 61 and.played my fair share of Gorf back in the day your video brings back lots of good arcade memories thanks.
As a kid around '83 I remember a mall arcade that was nothing but cabarets with many in generic wood-grain cabinets. There were lots of games but they were all crammed next to each other. This was the point I realized how much the full-sized cabinets with artwork really made the game. I might as well be playing it on a console.
Always love to see modern technology help keep the classic gaming tradition alive! Awesome vid I’m glad you showed this to everyone! 👍🏻😎
I think the "Astrocade" system used here actually shares some circuitry with the Astrocade home console (which was why the latter had such an amazingly good port of Wizard of Wor--weirdly they did not do Gorf).
Most of the home ports of this that did exist omitted the Galaxians level, because Galaxian was Namco IP that was a separate license. Though Midway distributed Galaxian in the US, I'm not sure Namco appreciated them rolling it into Gorf.
Black Hole did have speech. I played one a week ago.
Love the way you speak to your audience. Knowledgeable and practical with a friendly demeanor. 👍👍👍
I try! We're trying to be laid back over here and enjoy life
Super cool! All the early 80's games are my favorites, and the cabaret and cocktail versions are even cooler!
The two 10K make a voltage divider one side of C89 will be at 2.5V the 2.7K is in series with the 200R volume control on the amp board, this will make a potential divider, with 2.7K at the top and 200R at the bottom it would look like a volume control nearly at Zero, I would put a 470R resistor and a 2K2 pot in series where the 2K7 is, don’t want to put to much load to ground in the speech module output.
Ok I see with the pot I wonder which approach he uses, we will have to wait and see ! thanks for your taking the time.
I think the word you were looking for, which means pieces of words is "phonemes". I used to program the Votrax speech synthesizer. Great video!
Thank you for reminding me of Broederbund Print Shop. Also the Apple Imagewriter for color dot matrix output.
I used to be a manager at Egghead Discount Software many many years ago.
The glory days :)
Such a great game,even after other games came after ..always used to enjoy playing it for the challenge and variety ..great video guys..thank you for posting x
So cool that solutions are being made for this.. I hope that more of these replacement parts are being made
One of my favorites along with Wizard of Wor. Always liked the sounds and speech on both games!
Great video brother.
On my full size Gorf it has 2 volume pots so I can adjust the sound separately. The replacement board sounds exactly the same. Great Job! 👍
On this one it has two volume pots too but it doesn't have a seperate one for just the speech like on Wizard of Wor (it has 3).... I really like that replacement board!
@@LyonsArcade I haven't messed with mine for a while, maybe it doesn't do just speech. lol. I'll have to try it and see.
@@LyonsArcade yeah never mind lol. it does do some of the other sounds too. I remembered trying to lower the speech when I originally set it up and remembered it only doing that.
Great work and video Ron! I still have an original Votrax Type-N-Talk unit that uses the SC-01. So cool to have from back in the day!
Man king of knowledge dude just remember all this is being past down ....man seems like yesterday this was in my local pub at 10p per play
I was waiting for a "Gotcha sucka" and you didn't disappoint 😂 Great work Ron!
What's goin' on Jabo! Yeah we like to celebrate our great accoplishments :)
We will start calling you the Gorf Space Cadet!
I clearly graduated to Space Captain in the video!
Ron showing some skills on the Galaxian levels sneaking between shots!
Thanks for the vid!
I miss games that talked trash at you, I mean sierra practically made an art out of dissing you for making very poor choices in the game. That thief game you fixed earlier was hilarious with the "CAN'T YOU PLAY ANY BETTER THAN THAT?!" Intermixed with the usual police radio chatter😂
Yeah I like that stuff too, if you think about it too if a kid was playing, 8 or 9 years old it would probably be even funnier, they'd probably get pretty hell bent on getting better :) It was smart programming...
The one-eyed alien guy in Space Fury was particularly snotty. "So. A creature for my amusement."
You could get a piece of 1/8in flat stock aluminum from the hardware store, cut it to length and glue it to the chip. Not ideal but I'd be better than nothing I guess.
Also, not sure if this would work but the NTE448G slip on heat sink might work even if you needed to cut off the clip part and glue it directly on the chip.
Thanks for the videos.
NO CONOCIA EL GORF PERO ME GUSTO MUCHO.QUE BONITOS SON ESTOS MUEBLES ARCADE CABARET.SU TAMAÑO REDUCIDO ME PUEDE AYUDAR A TENER MUCHOS EN UN PEQUEÑO LUGAR DE LA CASA.SALUDOS JOE CLASSIC VIDEO GAMES
Ron. I've run into the same heatsink problem you can try using 2 of the flat heatsinks they make for the raspberry pi. Worked for me.
I would scrap the test button and install the Crystal on the bottom…job done.
Well, what can one say, your emulation of Gorf is immaculate. They should sample you! =)
Wish M.A.M.E would fix their color palette to match the one used in the arcade GORF. Your video shows what it should look like in the astro battles segment. MAME is way to bright blue making the enemy shots hard to see. Also remember a cabaret GORF with a black starfield background on the first screen instead of blue, it was at the arcade inside Sears back in early eighties. I hope these early classics are preserved in hardware and software for future generations.
We learned messing around with this one, that if you have issues with the sound customs it will often turn that main screen black like you mentioned, very strange fault! Thanks for watching M Davis!
I agree that you can likely reduce the resistor some. And if the nearby capacitor is used to isolate the circuit to prevent a ground loop, changing its value might affect the sound. I'm not sure about the latter point, but you might want to play with the resistor.
I had a Uniden 890 C-band satellite receiver that weighed 50 pounds because the transformer inside of it weighed about 25 lb and it got super hot and I wound up using 12 volt computer case power supply fans to keep everything from overheating
The last receivers uniden made were not well designed and overheated constantly
Sometimes you just have to Jimmy rig the unit to make it work
I would leave the heatsink as it was - CPU is an "artefact" nowadays, and try some other ideas:
1. Remove black-plastic spacer on chip emulator with hot-air and trim the legs after (gonna be too long)
2. Solder pinouts from the other side of chip emulator and try to plug it from the the side of the motherboard
(you would have to re-solder the chip socket ) but also you could combine it with 3rd idea:
3. Try precise chip sockets - sometimes are thinner than the oldschool ones
cool content btw!
as far as pinball's . Gottlieb's Mars god of war, --> Volcano, Black hole, Devil's Dare, Rocky and Q'berts Quest all use that piece of unobtainium , You could ditch the socket and solder the speach chip emulator directly into the PCB itself , the emulation is not perfect but its better then nothing at all..
Great game. I would first raise the value of the resistor to ground and then look at the series resistor value. Wonder if there is room to put a pot there? Keep up the great videos.
I really respect the old timers who designed these 8 bit machines and pinball machines. They did so much with so little.
They really knew how to program and use space to the max
I remember in the mid 90s when they came out with CD drives and I bought a printer that had 600 MB of install software and it still didn't work right.
They got really sloppy in their Programming.
It was the first inkjet printer I bought and it wouldn't print color in 90% of the programs.
Prior to that the driver files for printers were like 8 or 10 files, all small, a few dozen KBS.
I miss those days.
I really wish they would name schools after WOZ and build statues of him in towns.
The man single handily built the home computer and the GUI.
He is one of the smartest men who has ever lived, and he gets no credit.
He is a true genius, like Albert Einstein.
If you don't have the space for the chip you can solder in and flat ribbon cable and mount a socket somewhere else in the machine.
I have a guy I sold a radio scanner to and he has a Motorola Astro XTL5000
The front of the head display has a mic that detaches and you plug in a special programming cable for programming and flashing the radio with the new firmware, but they don't make the cable any more
If anyone has one of these Motorola Astro cables for the XTL5000 and would be willing to sell it, please let me know.
Also, on the rear of the radio there is a four-row 25-pin special Motorola connector for accessory connections and according to the pinouts there is a direct USB power USB ground USB positive and USB negative to attach a type A standard USB cable directly from a computer USB port to the back accessory connector but the connector is unique to Motorola and the pins that are inside the connector are also unique to Motorola and a different size than standard D sub pins that serial connectors use
If anyone has one of these special Motorola 25 pin for row d-sub connectors and the metal pins or if someone has actually made the cable I would be interested in purchasing it.
Thank you
Being about your age I also used to play with the Apple II series of computers and ImageWriter printers. The program you were thinking of was called Print Shop Pro. It was super cool making banners and signs.
In addition to Oregon Trail, I used to play Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego.
So the custom chips were made by American Megatrends Inc. They made the ROM BIOS for many old PCs.
That appears to have an FPGA (or a microcontroller), a crystal, and the ROM to hold either an FPGA netlist or a microcontroller program.
The heat/voltage issue might be that too high voltage makes the chip overheat.
i'm glad i bout a bunch of sc01 chips years ago from an operator that was about to toss them.
They are called phonemes. I used to spend hours mucking with S.A.M. (Software automatic mouth) for the Atari 800. Funny story about that was Steve Jobs heard about it when it became a hit and payed the guy that made it to implement it into the Macintosh which was demoed in that famous demo with the Super Bowl commercial and the crowd goes nuts when it talks. - phoneme are syllables like u say to represent vocal sounds “ay” “eh” “ah”…
Ribbon cable with sockets would be best option to install the sc01 emu chip in the cage
You could use an edge connector and solder cables to the edge connector and run the cables to the female edge connector and mount the board inside the case on the outside wall of the cabinet
Change out the resister with a variable resister. Keep it within 20 or 30% though. You'll get distortion if you go much more.
Yep. I was thinking replace the 2.7K resistor with a 1k resistor in series with a 2k pot. This would ensure you could never reduce the pot to zero ohms and still give you some room to vary the volume.
Blackhole had speech.. there was one here in reno, nv
The SC-01A has slight improvements to some of the phoneme parameters to make them sound better, a flow better when they build words.
"I'm no longer a Space Cadet" I beg to differ.
had that game for my Commodore Vic 20 .
yay. it plays
In theory ..one could adapt the 6 lamp ranking display board from an Gorf upright to work with the other configurations.
Just like the one we had at the old 7-11 back in the day.
I ended up getting one of those repro joystick badges from groovygamegear, I was SUPER unhappy with the one I got. Bubbles in the vinyl, wasn't cut uniformly (almost like it was cut by hand with a pair of scissors), and the print quality was overall subpar. Hope yours is much better.
Several of the System80 Gottlieb pinball machines (Including Black Hole) used the SC-01 speech chip.
speech chip and customs are unobtainum. Bally astrocade had some of the same customs, there's a gorf cool shroud you can 3d print and attach a fan which is highly recommended.
Hey Ron!!
I own one just like it!!
I'd have thought you could remove the resistor to the switch and the resistor to ground and replace them both with a single potentiometer ( something like a 10k log). That would give you volume control into the switch rather than just picking another fixed point.
It doesn't matter how bad each play. It's the support that matters.
Every SC-01 chip sounds different, due to the use of an analog vocal tract.
Everybody's got a little light under the sun.
Ain't that the truth!
I hate one thing about Fenton's programing on this game. The part where if you collide with the score of a destroyed enemy your ship gets destroyed also.
Be ballsy, solder it to the board!
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you could ribbon cable the socket to move it out of the tight space and mount it to the buss chassis.
If you took the black plastic spacers off the bottom and shortened the pins it should fit just barely.
C39 is to block dc and R24 and R26 form a potential divider to set a mid point of 2.5 V and the 2K7 will set the current for further on so you could try lowering it a bit see if that helps, maybe 2K2 or 1K9 it shouldn't cause any issues but if it does nothing keep it as stock and pop the 2K7 back in. Just my initial thoughts based on what I can see...Great video Ron !....cheers.
spot on analysys maybe he can install a 1k - 3k pot in place of R42 and dial in the volume
I’ve just stated exactly the same, but opted to install a 470R in series with 2K2, the bottom end of that chain is only 200R unsure what the source capability of the SC-01 outputs are, wouldn’t want to destroy it, esp at $110 a throw.
@@petesapwell Good point.
@@petesapwell I don't think there's much current flowing there. It should be safe to reduce the resistor without damaging the emulator.
I don't have I Gorf myself so I cannot test this unfortunately.
Gottlieb sound cards have separate volume pots.
@@destroyit42 There’s a fair current! if the output goes to 5V/200R=25mA!!!
Well done
Ron, has anyone told you that you sound exactly like Dax Shepard?? You guys are voice doppelgangers, it's amazing!
25:05 you could always just bond a flat plate of sheet aluminum to it that is larger then the chip.
Off-topic: I might get a Propeller 2 board and play with it. Then I could make a retro-like computer. The P2 has 8 "cogs" (like cores, but with 8-way concurrent DMA to the 1M of memory in the "hub"). It also has 2K of cog memory per cog, and 2K of LUT memory per cog. So, for a retro-like system on a chip, you could use at least 1 cog as the CPU, maybe one for video (and if you want to, you could handle the sound and keyboard there), one for a "disk" controller (really, an SD or CF card), do a sound "chip" or 2 in a cog or two, have a memory manager if one wants to use external memory, etc. Adding external memory to a P2 is a brave decision. I mean, you can add 16+ MB serial RAM easily, but then that will be slow. Or you can add parallel memory and take up most of your GPIO lines. For instance, if you want to add 2 MB of 16-bit memory, you'd have 20 address lines, 16 data lines, and up to 5 control lines. So that is 40-41 lines out of 64 (with 58 that are not shared). But still, you could take a P2 and make quite a speedy computer in terms of retro speed, and with 8 cogs, you could have various coprocessors like GPU/video coprocessor, math coprocessor, I/O coprocessor, etc.
Now, while on the topic of the Parallax Propeller 2 controller, I have an idea in mind that I'd like to see. It would be quite complex. What if one could use a P2 to replace the entire system card in an Atari 800? Replacing all 3 of the ASICs on it with socket boards like the speech emulator is not an option due to the substantial RF shielding. But designing a new system card and consolidating those ASICs and glue logic into 1 (maybe even taking over the job of the RAM and ROM cards too) P2 chip and a small serial ROM (to hold the emulation) could be done. So one cog would be used for the 6502 CPU, and maybe 2 for the ANTIC and GTIA chips. And doing that could allow for optimizations/changes that one cannot do otherwise. For instance, why not make a GTIA that supports VGA? So the signals going in from ANTIC would be the same, but those coming out could be VGA compatible.
Or, another idea. If one wants to rewrite the Atari 800 system ROM, why not take the unused opcodes of the original 6502, emulate some useful things for those slots, and use those in the ROM routines like the interrupt handlers and the system calls such as the FP library. So give the emulated 6502 instructions such as Mult, Div, Sine, Rnd, and make the ROM routines use those. So being able to multiply/divide in a single 6502 cycle would certainly boost the floating point and long number emulation library
1st video game I ever played.fed it quarters for quite a while..
Never seen anyone beat the end boss top man not seen since 1987.88.89 X
Gorf, Galaxian, Space Invaders, and all others similar… pickin’ up on a theme here?
Did you remove the original chip holder? Surely its low profile enoigh if you just solder the new emulation chip directly on to the main board as its got its own header? Failing that, get some arduino header cables and fit it remotely in a safe place
Actually what was used in an apple or a mockingboard was a ssi-263 which was an upgrade from a sc-01. If the chip were compatible dunno about that. I have a ssi-263 chip and will never give it up. My apple //e is a foul mouth sailer of a computer... and at times it can sound like joshua from wargames.
SSI-263 is an alias for the SC-02. They are unobtanium, too. They are not compatible. The package and the pin functions are different.
Hi acid lol.. bags!
If you put a pot with the legs where the to 10k resistors are and put the wiper pin connected to the 2.7 resistor
this is maybe a really dumb idea but i thought i would ask anyway, could you maybe put the new speech board in its own new socket, then wire that socket to the old one and just kinda have it "floating" above the other boards?
Yes Black Hole did have speech.
I see a lot of comments so it must be playing fine for most people, but on mobile devices I only see the title card but audio is fine. With desktops they all say my browser can't play the video. This is on Opera, Chrome, Edge, and Firefox...
I'm only getting sound.
Yeah it's messed up for me too, CZcams must have decided to change something that broke some of the videos.
Same for me. Can't play in on Windows 11 PC says " the browser can't play it," but on iPhone and iPad it says "we're working on this video. Check back later." All the other videos on the channel I tried still work though. Hopefully YT gets its act together on this one.
My LG TV crashed sent bug report
That is my fave
i was told by the designer that they wouldn't function correctly with Gorf and WOW, but if you need an SC-01chip I have a few. you can hear the vocals some seem garbled
The first version of the emulator didn't officially support Gorf. The current one does.
Couldn't you remove the socket and solder the SC01 emulator directly to the board? Or would that not buy you enough room?
GORF, the game that's so original it ripped off TWO earlier videogames, Space Invaders and Galaxian! LOL
They omitted the Galaxian levels from the home ports to avoid copy strikes.
In those days of the late 1970s and early 1980s, there were more unlicensed clones and bootlegs of existing games than most people today can imagine! Even Pac-Man and Street Fighter II didn't have so many reverse-engineered or bootlegged clones!
Of course, as far as "Star Trek" games go, GORF really isn't that faithful besides mimicking the look of the Starship Enterprise.
Personally, I'd prefer to play Star Trek: Strategic Operations Simulator, the 1982 Sega vector game. It's one of the better-looking vector games, too.
GORF was originally intended to be a Star Trek: The Motion Picture tie-in according to background info on wiki... I dunno about that but that ship design sure looks like the Enterprise!
They also had a vector-based Star Trek: TMP game for the Vectrex portable console which I WISH my parents had bought for me! I love vector games!
You've been Federaly Screwed 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Haven't we all!
Is that diagonal line just because of the camera or is that actually on the screen and is there something wrong with the monitor or the monitor board ?
Add a box fan to blow across the cards and that one hot chip....
I remember figuring out that gorf is frog spelled backwards.
Hey Joe. Ya gotta let us know if ya ever get a Polybius. Hahaha
What if you ditched the button and moved the crystal to the back of the emulator board?
reached space general one time on my pc , under mame emulator ,and made my monitor vertical .
8VDC chip? That's an unusual voltage. Can't remember seeing that anywhere else. A couple tenths of a volt shouldn't cause a big heating issue. Regardless, a small computer fan mounted above or below the PCB chassis should take care of it.
That was a great game at the time. Played the he k out of it.
Mars God of war pin used the vortac
I don't care what anybody says, I run my Gorf with a heatsink and fan on the custom chip.
My favorite game...
Just curious but wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just install a Raspberry Pi loaded with Mame and Gorf ROM files into this cabinet along with a JAMMA-to-USB connector for the controls?
Maybe, but this is basically an antique at this point, we're trying to repair the original hardware.
@@LyonsArcade Fair enough, but as time goes on I can see that repair shops will replace broken parts with more and more modern replacements as original parts become more difficult or impossible to find.
I would really like to get a cardboard trace of the side of the cabaret cabinet with measurements for the cabinet for I can reproduce the cabinet since nobody else makes them.
Joe classic, the IC chip sc01 destination X1 has a capacitor c3915 microfarad that goes to a pull-up resistor 10K and the r8610k it looks like it's a filter an RC filter that is filtering out the the sound The voice or the sound to have a certain frequency it seems cuz then there's another RC network with the r42 2.7 k and the c19 looks like a 0.01 microfarad I'm not sure if this is a filtering process filtering out some of the voice or some of the noise that's generated by the chip itself it could be fluctuations or just hiss and static that they're trying to filter out I'm not too sure but maybe somebody might have the answer
The only thing that would make the voice chip better, is if it were your voice.
I think you either either take that out or change it but I I don’t know I think it’s maybe you stuck a volume knob there you may be able to turn it up I’m not sure I have to don’t know I’d have to look it up or maybe even think about it but that’s what it sounds like to me that you may be able to like you said maybe to change that like you said monkey around with it but I really do believe it’s Paul I’m not sure if it’s possible but you may be able to put the volume knob they’re coming off of that capacitor possibly but I’m not sure but maybe it will work maybe it won’t but it might be it might work but I would try and make around with a little bit
Hey everyone! Nice Video!
A bit off Topic: I am looking for an Votrax SC-02 / SSI 263 for a project. Does anyone know where to find one?
I'm actually working on making an emulator for the SC-02! Stay tuned.
CZcams says my browser cannot play this video. I have no trouble with other Joe's Classic content, or other YT videos for that matter.... any ideas what's different about this one?? I'm running the latest version of Firefox on a PC.
Unfortunately that video is screwed up, youtube is trying to fix it and is aware of it as we speak. Must be a server issue. Check back soon hopefully they'll have it fixed, if they don't I'll reupload the video!
@@LyonsArcade Thanks, that's good to hear. I was big into speech synthesis and recognition back in the day, so I am looking forward to this one!
@@LyonsArcade Still nothin' here guys...
Is there a PCB Exxtender available that would extend the board outside the PCB mounting chassis?
@Mr Guru When I was working, I worked on several phone systems that has board extenders that fit into the chassis and allowed you to test components on the board while the system was up and running.