Managing Director John Nelms and Technical Director Gordon Strachan issue a club update which also reveals new animations that show the stadium development at Camperdown.
Celtic fan too, always had a soft spot for the two Dundee clubs, both European Cup semi-finalists in the past, great history, great supports, hopefully this project comes to fruition. Not for me to say though, but I always thought that they were both missing a trick by not ground sharing, but understand the reasons…could throw the question straight back at us, and I don’t think there is one fan of Celtic or the Huns who would accept sharing a ground tbf 😂
This looks Interesting. I was hoping with the new UK & Ireland bid for the Euros that the Dundee clubs would ground share. Good luck Dundee, I hope this works out for you. The training ground is a must. 👍🍻
The mentality of most Scottish folk is trapped in the past and stick to old crumbing grounds like our dens park. Here I see an owner looking to try do something not just for the team but for the city but most folk wont see it that way. Scottish football is dead its a two horse league with the ugly twins and the local old firm supporters don’t help the cause. A new ground that can be used to bring concerts to the city and potentially boost the local economy… but again the locals who can work wont work mentality wont see it that way. I’ve not lived in Dundee for almost 10 years now and Im still aghast that the mindset of folk is still the same. No forward thinking of the bigger picture. Our club since the 90’s has been up and down between the divisions and that will unfortunately continue but if theres a slight glimmer of hope to build income and boost pockets theres a chance that we can maybe move forward as a club. Ill look forward to the backlash from this as Ive learned over time our fans are probably the most fickle in Scottish football.
My friend, Scottish football has been held back for decades with those mindsets you speak of. I am a fan of 1 half if the Old Firm and I have been bored for years. Only Europe is exciting now. There are ways to make our game better but no one will agree on anything big. They are not brave enough and have small club mentality.
Exactly but people don’t see it this way. As a Hibs fan I hope most stadiums across Scotland get the TLC they deserve! More fans are likely to attend a nice looking ground. Looking forward to see Aberdeen’s too!
@@jacksonbow2766 I agree, the lack of ambition is painful. There will be many ways to make a competitive league but they will never agree to it. As for the new stadium… Its embarrassing going to Dens seeing weeds growing in areas of the stands and how old and dilapidated the Derry is but I can give credit to the loyal folk who have made efforts over the years to try and tidy it up as best as they can. A new stadium would be fantastic, take Spurs for example what an amazing ground that is… the team on the park is always in limbo but by christ what a way to go about a multi purpose stadium with great facilities
@@B190 I agree pal. Such can be done to improve the game. It is a shame that clubs do not make the most of their main income....which is us fans. If the stadiums were somewhere we want to be for a whole day out then they would each make a fortune from the fans. I get the old style granstands are. Fantastic feature but a new stand can be designed to look the same way and still offer some comfort to fans.
@@B190 It's the best attended league per capita in Europe, is ranked 9th out of 54 top flight leagues in the continent and has a low average age of players with a lot coming through the academies. It can improve but it does very well for such a small country
the problem with the layout for new stadium is folk wishing to head west exiting stadium......they would have to first go to coupar angus roundabout which would mean it becoming a bottleneck...its already busy enough at rush hour and folk using camperdown leisure park/cinema/McDonalds,etc.
Progress takes time. The stuff Dundee fc have done to build the foundations in the back ground over the last decade is spot on and was needed for decades. Dundee fans should be excited and not trying to deflate the buzz. Dundee fc has been a shambles since the end of the 80’s. There is now structure in the club. If the supporters get fully behind this it will speed this up. The doubters are slowing down DFC and keeping us as a yo-yo club. It’s going to happen anyway because it must, why pull against progress? If it’s not Camperdown it will be somewhere else. Dens is a hallowed ground but it’s no longer fit for purpose, we all know this. Nelms is a businessman of course but he’s not a dreamer who goes out and blasts 20 million into a team that only got to 6th in the league and a failed Scottish Cup final. All that money wasted for what? 20 mil debt? That’s an insane way to run a football club never mind one in Scotland. Scottish domestic football outside the old firm can not compete with the EPL or world leagues anymore those days have gone, a long time ago, it needs to be more inventive with making money. This is probably the most inventive way outside Glasgow and Edinburgh. It’s a way forward. Staying at Dens only gets you one thing. Nothing. Nostalgia is beautiful and honourable. Building a new future is, vital, or Scottish football won’t survive much longer as anything but an old haggard league with old has been teams and no trophies. I mean we are there now and we still fight possible progress. There is still heart in the Scottish leagues but we used to be a power house of football. It needs more than heart to get us into a position where we are respected as a footballing nation again. Growing players and growing budget is the only way and if we don’t do this there really will be only one team in Dundee. The cost and future cost of players will destroy DFC in the near future TV money is not sustainable it’s a joke. We need to start filling Scottish grounds or the TV money will get less and less. If DFC don’t find away to grow money I see a forced merger happening in the future in Dundee as there will be no choice left. Scottish football is in big trouble. Our survival depends on new inventive financial structures. And if we don’t do this Camperdown project and we are all dead against it we need to start thinking and thinking fast how we keep DFC and Scottish football alive. The wolfs at the door. Football left us behind in the 90’s. And we all did nothing absolutely nothing, outside of Glasgow. To fill grounds you need to give hope. There is no hope just now. And blowing all our money on journeyman players isn’t a good way to progress, it’s just keeps us where we are. It’s time to move on. I’d rather spend that money on building a future. The fan base of DFC is higher than 15,000. At the 03 SC final we got around 22-23,000 people turning up. So yes we can fill that new stadium. If the fans return. The fans only return if they feel there’s hope for something. Our die hard fans are 3-5000 that’s correct and that’s pretty big for Scotland. If we had a stadium that was quality and worth paying money for more fans would return which would be a knock on effect. Fans are the foundation of any football club and if they all return it would drive success on the park. What’s missing is a winning mentality and belief, something we don’t have or haven’t had since The Cobra and the mongoose ran the top league ragged. If we build a modern football structure we can compete, it will take time, but it will help DFC progress financially and on the park. We can not redevelop Dens that would probably cost the same as all of this one project put together. And that would gain us gate and shirt profit, only. That makes no business sense. No investor would fund that not in your wildest dreams. But they will fund this as it will make money and is actual tangible profit. If you don’t like Camperdown as a project we better start thinking of a replacement idea and innovative business plan that produces more money than gate takings and the sale of football shirts and paraphernalia. As that’s our business model just now and it won’t survive the turn of the decade, on that budget we will be a championship team for the foreseeable future. Perhaps a league one team. Dunfermline is a big wake up call for all teams in Scotland with intermediate fan bases. Any ideas lads? What can we do to secure DFC as a modern competitive football team that gets into European qualifiers and doesn’t go out in the first round? As that’s the standard outside of Glasgow that we all need to get to if we are to be taken seriously, again.
Good Luck to Dundee, it all sounds good and with a lot of planning and hard work going into this Project. I hope that things go to plan, and it's good for Scottish Football that a club like Dundee are planning for the future with Youth Development, the Academy as well as the First Team structure all being looked at I wish them well. Good Luck from a Celtic Fan, I really hope you pull this off.
As a visiting supporter I like dens park, great atmosphere and it’s unique cos it’s close to tannadice and city centre, based on what happened to Falkirk I dont like seeing teams move to a big stadium on the edge of the city/town. Can they not redevelop dens park?
What’s the craic with Falkirk not being able to build a stand because of a blast zone? Is this still the case? Would be a nice stadium if it had another stand the same size as the main stand.
Hope it happens. I’m a Rangers fan, but I worked and lived up in Dundee for nearly 3 years. Got a wee soft spot for Dundee and it would be amazing for this to happen.👍🏻
They don't have the fan base for this project, better to redevelop Dens and spend money on the playing side as they won't find the Championship a walk in the park next season
Penny drops 4 minutes in. It's a hospitality, leisure and housing development with a wee football stadium attached. Shame to see another local historic stadium go replaced with an out of town Lego set but good luck anyway. Saying that can't help but think this a way for the board to distract the fans from potential relegation and the McPake sacking/McGhee signing saga
I have to say, if it's a distraction tactic, it's quite far 'out there' 😂 But, weirder things have happened. I remember many years ago, the Scottish media creaming themselves about the prospect of a £1bn redevelopment of the Ibrox area including a brand new 70K stadium with a floating pitch and casinos. 😂
Hate to burst your bubble but that means fuck all to the Dundee football clubs. Leave that mindset in the past! Both teams have mates/ family that have creeds of all backgrounds and ethnicities means fuck all to people kicking a ball around grass for 90 minutes.
@@B190 Nonsense United are rabid much like Hibs and St Mirren. Dundee were always a good unionist club...seems both Dundee clubs are one of a kind now though.
@@flaw3dgenius222 Dundee doesn't care about what religion or nationality anyone is nor does it bother it that Ireland won its independence from Britain a century ago. Anyone that does will go and support Rangers.
I'm a unionist and I've been a Dundee fan fae 88 , it's no a prevalent as the old firm or even Edinburgh derby but to say you dont get the odd bit of bias , idk what part Dundee you've been living?
Camperdown Park is public land and should never be sold or used by a private company. But no doubt the crap and questionable Dundee City Council that wasted money and opportunity to build the V&A for the art students and the few tourists don't care about that!
I support dundee and we can't even get a team to stay in the Premier and this so called stadium plan has dragged on for years now I hope it happens as Dens is a du p but I'm not holding my breath I'd rather have a Premier team 1st
As a Dundee born male who lived at Sandeman st across from Dens park for over 23 years I don’t like to see the Dee go down one division. I have always thought both teams need to be in the premier league. Although I am a United supporter due to experience of being pushed away by Dundee staff while trying to watch them practice as a young boy this upity attitude pushed me down the street to Tannadice with its old rickety wooden stand where the players would greet you and talk to you. United were the under dogs in the second division as I recall at that time. My point is that over the years if Dundee FC had put more effort into Dens park in maintenance and upkeep instead of letting it run down to where it is today there would be no need to have the city build them a new stadium. Why is the city even considering this it’s a private business and should be able to sustain itself. Now with relegation coming they will be awarded a new stadium at the city’s expense, not quite fair considering United have done more to promote them selves and the city and what do they get as a reward? United are the more successful of the two city teams and seem to be able to maintain their property so what does DFC need to do to emulate this? Instead of building a stadium for a second rate team why not spend less, refurbish Dens park. What if the Dee end up going farther down, hopefully not, what would be the gain to the city from this Camperdown stadium. It would become a white elephant and big loss to the investments made. I say lets repair Dens and let the Dee show us they are really a premier league team before committing to building a completely new stadium.
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They just bring this up every now and then to try an keep their support happy. Its not happening. Dundee dont even own Dens. That is owned by a former United director. They cant even afford to pay Charlie Adam. They had 1200 supporters at the Rangers cup game at home. Why do they need a bigger stadium.? It would be empty most of the time.
Aye but having watched the whole thing I think that ...A...Dundee United are like what Jesus said and ...b... what it takes to be a person in this world sleep etc.
Hope it works out well. Good to see Scottish clubs progressing! 🏴🔥
Nah. You support a team not a country. Very weird comment.
Would be nice, but remember the infamous "£1bn Ibrox Development" thingy 😂
Celtic fan too, always had a soft spot for the two Dundee clubs, both European Cup semi-finalists in the past, great history, great supports, hopefully this project comes to fruition. Not for me to say though, but I always thought that they were both missing a trick by not ground sharing, but understand the reasons…could throw the question straight back at us, and I don’t think there is one fan of Celtic or the Huns who would accept sharing a ground tbf 😂
@@SonicJaneStooge read that back. Then ask yersel what’s the weird comment!!🤔
@@SonicJaneStooge you can support a club and be happy about the development of Scottish football as a whole at the same time you weirdo
This looks Interesting. I was hoping with the new UK & Ireland bid for the Euros that the Dundee clubs would ground share. Good luck Dundee, I hope this works out for you. The training ground is a must. 👍🍻
The mentality of most Scottish folk is trapped in the past and stick to old crumbing grounds like our dens park. Here I see an owner looking to try do something not just for the team but for the city but most folk wont see it that way.
Scottish football is dead its a two horse league with the ugly twins and the local old firm supporters don’t help the cause.
A new ground that can be used to bring concerts to the city and potentially boost the local economy… but again the locals who can work wont work mentality wont see it that way.
I’ve not lived in Dundee for almost 10 years now and Im still aghast that the mindset of folk is still the same. No forward thinking of the bigger picture.
Our club since the 90’s has been up and down between the divisions and that will unfortunately continue but if theres a slight glimmer of hope to build income and boost pockets theres a chance that we can maybe move forward as a club.
Ill look forward to the backlash from this as Ive learned over time our fans are probably the most fickle in Scottish football.
My friend, Scottish football has been held back for decades with those mindsets you speak of. I am a fan of 1 half if the Old Firm and I have been bored for years. Only Europe is exciting now.
There are ways to make our game better but no one will agree on anything big. They are not brave enough and have small club mentality.
Exactly but people don’t see it this way. As a Hibs fan I hope most stadiums across Scotland get the TLC they deserve! More fans are likely to attend a nice looking ground. Looking forward to see Aberdeen’s too!
@@jacksonbow2766 I agree, the lack of ambition is painful.
There will be many ways to make a competitive league but they will never agree to it.
As for the new stadium…
Its embarrassing going to Dens seeing weeds growing in areas of the stands and how old and dilapidated the Derry is but I can give credit to the loyal folk who have made efforts over the years to try and tidy it up as best as they can.
A new stadium would be fantastic, take Spurs for example what an amazing ground that is… the team on the park is always in limbo but by christ what a way to go about a multi purpose stadium with great facilities
@@B190 I agree pal. Such can be done to improve the game.
It is a shame that clubs do not make the most of their main income....which is us fans. If the stadiums were somewhere we want to be for a whole day out then they would each make a fortune from the fans.
I get the old style granstands are. Fantastic feature but a new stand can be designed to look the same way and still offer some comfort to fans.
@@B190 It's the best attended league per capita in Europe, is ranked 9th out of 54 top flight leagues in the continent and has a low average age of players with a lot coming through the academies. It can improve but it does very well for such a small country
the problem with the layout for new stadium is folk wishing to head west exiting stadium......they would have to first go to coupar angus roundabout which would mean it becoming a bottleneck...its already busy enough at rush hour and folk using camperdown leisure park/cinema/McDonalds,etc.
Progress takes time.
The stuff Dundee fc have done to build the foundations in the back ground over the last decade is spot on and was needed for decades. Dundee fans should be excited and not trying to deflate the buzz.
Dundee fc has been a shambles since the end of the 80’s. There is now structure in the club. If the supporters get fully behind this it will speed this up. The doubters are slowing down DFC and keeping us as a yo-yo club. It’s going to happen anyway because it must, why pull against progress? If it’s not Camperdown it will be somewhere else. Dens is a hallowed ground but it’s no longer fit for purpose, we all know this.
Nelms is a businessman of course but he’s not a dreamer who goes out and blasts 20 million into a team that only got to 6th in the league and a failed Scottish Cup final. All that money wasted for what? 20 mil debt? That’s an insane way to run a football club never mind one in Scotland.
Scottish domestic football outside the old firm can not compete with the EPL or world leagues anymore those days have gone, a long time ago, it needs to be more inventive with making money. This is probably the most inventive way outside Glasgow and Edinburgh. It’s a way forward. Staying at Dens only gets you one thing. Nothing. Nostalgia is beautiful and honourable. Building a new future is, vital, or Scottish football won’t survive much longer as anything but an old haggard league with old has been teams and no trophies. I mean we are there now and we still fight possible progress. There is still heart in the Scottish leagues but we used to be a power house of football. It needs more than heart to get us into a position where we are respected as a footballing nation again.
Growing players and growing budget is the only way and if we don’t do this there really will be only one team in Dundee. The cost and future cost of players will destroy DFC in the near future TV money is not sustainable it’s a joke. We need to start filling Scottish grounds or the TV money will get less and less. If DFC don’t find away to grow money I see a forced merger happening in the future in Dundee as there will be no choice left. Scottish football is in big trouble. Our survival depends on new inventive financial structures. And if we don’t do this Camperdown project and we are all dead against it we need to start thinking and thinking fast how we keep DFC and Scottish football alive. The wolfs at the door. Football left us behind in the 90’s. And we all did nothing absolutely nothing, outside of Glasgow.
To fill grounds you need to give hope. There is no hope just now. And blowing all our money on journeyman players isn’t a good way to progress, it’s just keeps us where we are. It’s time to move on. I’d rather spend that money on building a future.
The fan base of DFC is higher than 15,000. At the 03 SC final we got around 22-23,000 people turning up. So yes we can fill that new stadium. If the fans return. The fans only return if they feel there’s hope for something. Our die hard fans are 3-5000 that’s correct and that’s pretty big for Scotland.
If we had a stadium that was quality and worth paying money for more fans would return which would be a knock on effect. Fans are the foundation of any football club and if they all return it would drive success on the park. What’s missing is a winning mentality and belief, something we don’t have or haven’t had since The Cobra and the mongoose ran the top league ragged. If we build a modern football structure we can compete, it will take time, but it will help DFC progress financially and on the park.
We can not redevelop Dens that would probably cost the same as all of this one project put together. And that would gain us gate and shirt profit, only. That makes no business sense. No investor would fund that not in your wildest dreams. But they will fund this as it will make money and is actual tangible profit.
If you don’t like Camperdown as a project we better start thinking of a replacement idea and innovative business plan that produces more money than gate takings and the sale of football shirts and paraphernalia. As that’s our business model just now and it won’t survive the turn of the decade, on that budget we will be a championship team for the foreseeable future. Perhaps a league one team. Dunfermline is a big wake up call for all teams in Scotland with intermediate fan bases.
Any ideas lads?
What can we do to secure DFC as a modern competitive football team that gets into European qualifiers and doesn’t go out in the first round?
As that’s the standard outside of Glasgow that we all need to get to if we are to be taken seriously, again.
Good Luck to Dundee, it all sounds good and with a lot of planning and hard work going into this Project. I hope that things go to plan, and it's good for Scottish Football that a club like Dundee are planning for the future with Youth Development, the Academy as well as the First Team structure all being looked at I wish them well. Good Luck from a Celtic Fan, I really hope you pull this off.
As a visiting supporter I like dens park, great atmosphere and it’s unique cos it’s close to tannadice and city centre, based on what happened to Falkirk I dont like seeing teams move to a big stadium on the edge of the city/town. Can they not redevelop dens park?
I don’t think they can, and because of its proximity to the city centre, it makes more sense to sell the land for housing and make a tidy profit.
Grangemooth Bairns
What’s the craic with Falkirk not being able to build a stand because of a blast zone? Is this still the case? Would be a nice stadium if it had another stand the same size as the main stand.
@@mrmervinjminky1536 don’t have enough fans to fill two of our stands
Falkirk Bairn ......i cant get my car parked when a football match is on so i wish they would move to a new stadium with suitable parking
Hope you make this happen!!!!! Very nice plan!!!!! Great for the Dandee fc and also for the city of Dandee!!!
Looks good tbf
it's about time ✌️
Hope it happens. I’m a Rangers fan, but I worked and lived up in Dundee for nearly 3 years. Got a wee soft spot for Dundee and it would be amazing for this to happen.👍🏻
Dundee fans need to fill that stadium every home game
And they won’t even sell a single stand
@@1909_United One of many absentees who couldn’t fill even HALF a stand on May 2, 2016.
Well done Dundee from a hun
Blimey Gordon Strachan’s ginger hairs goes to white!
A stadium for where we are going. You couldn't write it!!
They don't have the fan base for this project, better to redevelop Dens and spend money on the playing side as they won't find the Championship a walk in the park next season
Dens was REEKIN ay PISH
Hilarious. This is the same pish they've been spouting for about 5 years.
I believe we have the rice to win this
Can you give me your dealers number please? 🤤👍
Somebody seen my baseball
#NelmsOut
Penny drops 4 minutes in. It's a hospitality, leisure and housing development with a wee football stadium attached.
Shame to see another local historic stadium go replaced with an out of town Lego set but good luck anyway. Saying that can't help but think this a way for the board to distract the fans from potential relegation and the McPake sacking/McGhee signing saga
I have to say, if it's a distraction tactic, it's quite far 'out there' 😂 But, weirder things have happened.
I remember many years ago, the Scottish media creaming themselves about the prospect of a £1bn redevelopment of the Ibrox area including a brand new 70K stadium with a floating pitch and casinos. 😂
Don't forget the crematorium
At least you lot pay yer bills!! Good luck Dundee👍🍀
Stevie is new around here
Saint Johns? Thought it was United that was the Catholic team in Dundee? Are both clubs kid on Irish now?
Hate to burst your bubble but that means fuck all to the Dundee football clubs.
Leave that mindset in the past!
Both teams have mates/ family that have creeds of all backgrounds and ethnicities means fuck all to people kicking a ball around grass for 90 minutes.
@@B190 Nonsense United are rabid much like Hibs and St Mirren. Dundee were always a good unionist club...seems both Dundee clubs are one of a kind now though.
@@flaw3dgenius222 Dundee doesn't care about what religion or nationality anyone is nor does it bother it that Ireland won its independence from Britain a century ago. Anyone that does will go and support Rangers.
I'm a unionist and I've been a Dundee fan fae 88 , it's no a prevalent as the old firm or even Edinburgh derby but to say you dont get the odd bit of bias , idk what part Dundee you've been living?
Dundee was the first fully protestant town in Scotland
Sounds great, that must be why we are bottom of the league looking at relegation and playing in a ground that is obsolete.
Camperdown Park is public land and should never be sold or used by a private company. But no doubt the crap and questionable Dundee City Council that wasted money and opportunity to build the V&A for the art students and the few tourists don't care about that!
I support dundee and we can't even get a team to stay in the Premier and this so called stadium plan has dragged on for years now
I hope it happens as Dens is a du p but I'm not holding my breath I'd rather have a Premier team 1st
This stadiums drain💀
Will be a lovely stadium for the championship.
What a terrible location. The traffic congestion is bad enough as it is at camperdown. This is going to make it far worse.
Its ok it wont happen.
As a Dundee born male who lived at Sandeman st across from Dens park for over 23 years I don’t like to see the Dee go down one division. I have always thought both teams need to be in the premier league.
Although I am a United supporter due to experience of being pushed away by Dundee staff while trying to watch them practice as a young boy this upity attitude pushed me down the street to Tannadice with its old rickety wooden stand where the players would greet you and talk to you. United were the under dogs in the second division as I recall at that time.
My point is that over the years if Dundee FC had put more effort into Dens park in maintenance and upkeep instead of letting it run down to where it is today there would be no need to have the city build them a new stadium.
Why is the city even considering this it’s a private business and should be able to sustain itself. Now with relegation coming they will be awarded a new stadium at the city’s expense, not quite fair considering United have done more to promote them selves and the city and what do they get as a reward?
United are the more successful of the two city teams and seem to be able to maintain their property so what does DFC need to do to emulate this?
Instead of building a stadium for a second rate team why not spend less, refurbish Dens park. What if the Dee end up going farther down, hopefully not, what would be the gain to the city from this Camperdown stadium. It would become a white elephant and big loss to the investments made.
I say lets repair Dens and let the Dee show us they are really a premier league team before committing to building a completely new stadium.
Right then it's like Glen eagles tae anyone. Ken how hearts denny even own the lot like hibs!
Come one dundee fc we can do it lets go keep it 💯 we are strong with our rice aiden brown knows what we are doing for the weekend plans
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Mon the shed 🧡🖤🧡🖤🧡🖤🧡🖤 this is never going to happen
Yeh u are going back to the championship enjoy 😉 couldn't even afford to pay your players last time u went down now u want to build this what a joke
They just bring this up every now and then to try an keep their support happy. Its not happening. Dundee dont even own Dens. That is owned by a former United director. They cant even afford to pay Charlie Adam. They had 1200 supporters at the Rangers cup game at home. Why do they need a bigger stadium.? It would be empty most of the time.
Cherhemerc has been speaking about for years but never video a about The new stadium I know there is so it’s more progress
Aye but having watched the whole thing I think that ...A...Dundee United are like what Jesus said and ...b... what it takes to be a person in this world sleep etc.