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EPIC ATMOS MIXING Studio Setup 2023 | Jonathan Morrison (studio tour)
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2024
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Sup! A) I appreciate you Andrew! And B) I know Atmos can seem wild and unnecessary but it’s fun and brings a new sense of feeling back to music. Please hit me with any questions or even concerns you might have! 🤘🏼
here is my question:) I want to set myself up with atmos but I can't seem to find someone for hire that can just set me up:( I know what I want and even have a functional budget but there isn't enough real clear guidance foe me to just trust myself
How do i listen to reference material in my setup if i go atmos. There doesn’t seem to be a way without expending a lot of money on a seperate reciever and a controller with input switching. Seems too complicated without reason
I noticed you mentioned the cranborne stuff for 500 series. You should check out the WesAudio stuff, they offer a similar thing, but also all of their gear is fully analogue, digitally recallable. I'm planning on building an Atmos rig soon and streamlining everything. Just worth a look I think!
Jon you’re my idol so happy for you. Can you share with us a decent budget atmos setup 😄
@@freddianz on it! 🤓🫡
Great studio! I can only imagine how incredible the sound is in that room.
I've spent some time there. It sounds great. Jonathan and team did a great job.
i was just there thursday & its so epic. jonathan is so crazy inviting & hospitable. a true g.
hey stranger
fancy seeing you in these neck of the woods
I was in this room last week and it sounds incredible. A great team of people there.
Love Jonathon! Been watching his tech reviews for years! Great looking studio
Wow this is amazing! I have never seen so many speakers in one room haha. Love his desk setup.
Jonathan is the bestttt! Haven't been to the new studio space yet but it looks incredible. Glad you got to check it out!
Great for movie/video sound tracks etc. For music as a mainstay, soon to be the way of the Dodo like most multitrack audio formats of the past IMO. Doesn't change for a second how interesting this all is along with how it gets the geek in me going, but not an investment I'm willing to make for the future. I got my hand full mixing down to 2 tracks as it is. Loved Jonathon's setup and personality none the less.
If you’re ever in LA come listen! 🤓
@@TLD Stop trying to temp me with your evil magic ways 👺. Thank God I'm 2500 miles away 😀
19:29 this shot was amazing, glad to see these getting a teeny tiny more cinematic as we go along!
Mike is absolutely hilarious the "calibration" conversation had me dying on the floor. The "don't talk back to me" at the end had me 6 feet deep 🤣🤣
My perspective in regards to atmos music (btw I love atmos audio for film.)
The the big reasons for my belief that it has no future are, 1. because when you listen to concerts, street performers, etc. you as the listener don't sit with all the musicians surrounding you, so it's completely unnatural. 2. Atmos home theater systems are not even an option for many people due to space requirements, not to mention financial means, and more people are are being stretched to their limits financially every day. 3. It's a solution to a problem that didn't exist. You'd think more people would be able to track this trend that seems to happen again and again within silicon valley, and I don't mean just in regards to the 3D music experience, it is a cycle. 4. Say the people who have the most invested in in atmos music, are able to see that it's highly unlikely that it's going to ever catch on. If those at the top keep pushing the narrative that it's the next big thing convincingly they can try and keep that idea alive long enough to hopefully recoup their investment while having shifted their debt risk to others, kind of like shorting a stock.
that's is why it's niche and not a everyday need
cool seeing an in progress studio vs a totally finished one for a change!
This is a great room … love Jonathan being an ambassador for Dolby
the boys!! love this ✨
EPIC EPIC EPIC
The fake room light got me !!!!! damm i need it for my studio :D
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, LOVE those rack spacers, been looking for something to help with a few cables coming through the patch bay area! Nice find Andy!
Huge save for me!
I been following Jonathan for long time, great content! thanks for sharing
As someone who mixes for film, it’s always seemed to make sense that atmos is just an extension of surround.
I never realized so many people would have reservations who primarily mixed in the music industry alone. It is interesting seeing how integrated the Apple ecosystem is at the moment which is probably part of most people’s gripes as I’m guessing.
That being said it will only become more and more accessible as time goes just as any new technology does.
And like Jonathan says, why can we have both? I love the idea of atmos for music production, and I’ve never properly listened to a mix in a proper room.
I’ve heard many many impactful stereo mixes in my life, but like it’s been said, I think that’s mostly because of the music itself not just the mix. So why can’t that influential aspect of song writing become a normal experience in atmos?
Seems like most people view it as just randomly placing instruments everywhere and automating them around, when in reality it’s an opportunity to create a new space and sonic environment. There will be plenty of “bad” atmos mixes just as there are many “bad” stereo mixes…. But I digress
Yeah, more of these. Good to see👍🏼
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Drew did a great job with the tour!
This is so SICK!!!
Great setup, Awesome video 🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊need to get more involved with the whole Atmosphere mixing👍🏾🔊🔊
give it up.
Yessssss! Been waiting for this!
Working on my Atmos set up now!
This is so awesome. Man. Ahhh I hope I can figure out to get there.
Frickin atmos?! Nahhhh dude. Stereo forever, dog!
yooo i been seein blaze johnson in this studio before
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So my biggest issue with all the atmos stuff is: take harry styles’ “as it was” as an example…. Spike stent did the stereo mix, great mix of course. Stems printed. Stems then sent by label to a completely diff person to do an atmos/spatial mix. These are 2 different mixes that sound totally diff and are done by 2 completely different mixers, one getting paid big $$ for their talent as a mixer, one getting paid some $ cause they have the ability to “mix atmos”. If youre listening on Apple Music, it automatically plays the atmos version whether or not youre using an atmos setup, as in listening to stereo (which is the atmos mix folded to stereo). THIS IS NOT THE SAME FIDELITY AT ALL if you turn off atmos and listen to the REAL stereo mix.
That part to me is really screwed up. By default listening on Apple Music, youre hearing theoretically a bad version of the song and probably in no way what the artist and producers signed off on ha.
Spike is the damn goat.
The problem is an industry problem, not a problem with Atmos as a format. There is this whole scala of bad incentives which ultimately boil down to a bad sub-par Atmos mix.
And in my opinion, Apple and Dolby are the primary drivers for this. Apple is offering Atmos in their music store, meaning there is a race to create content as fast as possible because well, you need Atmos content in order to put it in your store and have people hear it. So Atmos needs to be delivered but there are no budgets. Meaning its an afterthought and just a wack job.
Apple screwed up by implementing their own version of interpretation of Atmos as strictly speaking, Apple is offering Spatial Audio which can use Atmos as its input.
Simply put, the technology to accurately translate a mix to headphones is just not there yet. So Apple is always offering you a subpar experience because the technology is limited. Any mixer will tell you in private that what they hear coming out of their Apple headphones is nothing like what they hear on their discrete speaker setups. Hence they play it super safe as they have no idea how to deal with it because it is a moving target giving that Apple continues to tweak things on their end.
that last gift ...... seriously ? .... damn !!!
genelec wooo
Which Genelec model are they"
@@WWeiss-nv5vz The Ones
Johnathon mentioned it here and with the amount of studios and mixing engineers getting Atmos set ups I'm really interested in seeing how that effects wiritng and production of music going forward. Lots of potential for cool things.
Michael is my spirit animal haha
JOHN TLD!!!
Proud of you man..
Anyone else get halfway through & realize Mike is the one you wanna be kicking it with?
Mike with the “Ade-lee” remark 😂
The real MVP of this build is the Genelec calibration/control software.
I'm a builder, and work with lighting and insulation everyday doing custom wine cellars, and also have worked as a prof photographer. I believe I could design a Cloud light box, what a great idea!!! Time to prototype. If you have the budget hit me up!
It took me some time to find out that they’re using GIK Impression Pro “Palomar” Acoustic Panels 🔥
Took them as inspiration for my own acoustic panels 😎
Sweetwater is pushing this atmos system all over the place, youtuber are selling their soul to Sweetwater. Nice minimal setup and the sound must be excellent. Let's wait for what the future in bring us.
I have a 5.1 TV-movie setup in my living room for 10 years. Most of the time I don't notice it at all. It's still a thing more for cinema. Ever more most of the public would be perfectly happy with mono.
Wish apple would find a way to keep supporting code for the og firewire apogee duet to work with their latest devices.
😊😮
No node issues or low end problems without corner traps in the corners (specially with the door there?)
I had invested in 5.1 mixing. But there was no interest. I allso saw no upgrade path to Atmos atm.
He has the Dangerfox Solo that I've been dreaming off
Is the decay and frequency response in there terrible? I see glass right in a first reflection path.
The Stands are made by König & Meyer (K&M) in Germany ✌️
1/1.6 million.
I just hope that atmos SOMEHOW wont stay. Still saving up for an apollo, how would one afford that?
lots of cheaper ways, actually.
By continuously working…? You can’t start at the top. A professional career as an engineer requires 10,000 hours just like everything else. Love the fact high quality recording is obtainable in home studios by musicians, but there is multiple paths within the industry for a set up like this.
I don't think it's suppose to be affordable. Record companies have been losing money since more people are making music from home and releasing it on their own. This Atmos thing benefits the industry all the way around. Apple, and probably Spotify are only going to allow you to put your music on their platforms if they are Atmos files. That means you have to run out and pay big bucks (even if you find a cheaper way of doing it, YOU still have to spend money) which helps places like Sweetwater make more money, and the manufacturers make money. Since it is so expensive to invest in, I think the hope is that you will find that going to a corporate recording facility will be cheaper, and you will just give them a bunch of money to do your Atmos recording and mixing. I think Atmos is cool and an awesome listening option, but my opinion is, just like the Covid vaccine, if they have to force you to do it, it's not a good idea/product.
@@maxatorium havent found many ways to work as a 15 yo but I see where youre coming from
@@morbidmanmusic besides airpods im not aware, could you tell me what they are?
It's not just airpods...binaural and spatial audio work in normal headphones too. They just don't do the head tracking.
Apple Spatial has a long way to go, but I would bet on them, if anyone could make it happen.
imagine playing a game on this
So..... I just found Atmos in Logic Pro. And boom CZcams must have heard my keystrokes and started feeding me Atmos content. I know weird right! With only 2 speakers it was amazing playing around with a current mix Im working on. Now time to set up my space...crying at how Im going to afford this now!
Fuck mixing music in Atmos. In the 1970s they tried something similar with quadrophonic stereo and it failed.
Yeah, fuck that
I can certainly see how this would apply to post production for film/theaters and high end home theaters, but not most recording studios.
I will investigate Atmos more closely but when I see live music or listen to most recordings my reference is in front of me, left, right, center. Not sure I want the keyboard to move behind me.
I’ve been in the studio business long enough to remember quad puttering out quickly after millions spent to promote it.
But I love technology and never afraid to consider changes. (Remember what technology was when I started in 1988?)
This was a good video and an interesting studio to hear about.
Yeah, I’m old
@@michaelclover9186 The simple fact is that 90% plus of the public don't even realize music is stereo, and are happy to listen to mono on bluetooth speakers.
Andrew, come back and lets do a video on a complete atmos run down, or at least digging into the details of atmos!
This could be helpful to get people back to purchasing physical material. You can only do physical Atmos on a Blu-Ray,so if you can produce a music Blu-ray,you may get people to purchase it.The problem is getting customers to buy a Dolby Atmos setup. I have an 11.2 Onkyo and Klipsch setup in my family room,but most people aren't willing to spend the cash to do it properly.The Atmos soundbars sound terrible.Can you stream material in Atmos? If you can,you still need playback equipment.
I have a question about Atmos recording. Should I convert for Atmos mixing or can the mix be it be made Atmos compatible during mastering phase? I just finished my home studio a year ago and not sure if I want to convert to Atmos.
thats place
Lets make Mike switch to blackberry!
Triggering my Monday-ism a day late 😅
whoops!!
My fault lol
Honestly, Atmos is on my mind A LOT lately. I’m building my first dedicated studio, and I don’t know whether I should get a really high quality pair of monitors, or build an Atmos rig of “lesser” monitors. I’m worried if I go stereo, I’ll be left in the dust by the industry speeding towards immersive.
Go stereo. This atmos thing will be for cinema and geeks. Most people don't even know they're listening to stereo. They will know it sounds good, but have no clue why.
@@AlbertWeijers You don’t foresee more car companies putting Atmos in the high-end models?
i'm not sure i understand what's the game plan.. to me it appears that things are moving towards single sound sources from sound bars for tv/movies to bluetooth 'boom boxes' for the outside/recreational areas.
i don't know anyone under 30 who doesn't have a few portable devices and a few headphones...
who is going to buy all the extra speakers needed for multichannel? are there so many home theaters?
Santa Monica ! Near apogee? Nebraska and Olympic ???
What configuration Mac Mini is this, thanks!
ATMOS is great because if it gets popular enough, the price of actually useful stereo gear will go down lol
Let’s gooooo, this is the best take.
You guys are way overestimating the general public, who are perfectly happy listening to bluetooth speakers that are just mono. And crappy flatscreen tv's with no bass.
First world gadget. I would hate this : )
Guess what's better than folding down atmos to stereo, making a stereo mix from the start :)
My question is does the average consumer have the budget or the space to put all these speakers around them in a room? Think about all the cabling and outlets a consumer would have to have. Can you just mix Atmos in headphones? There must be a better way to mix it without all these speakers?
8:50
What is cost of that full speaker set up?
What was in the box?!
And what are mixes going to sound now? Instrumentation will be the same. An electric guitar playing a hard rock riff behind my head WOW!! I call bullshit on that. Surround systems are excellent for a lot of audio programs BUT music (maybe orchestras or some experimental stuff can use the benefits of surround, but that's it)
"But that's it"
That engineer lost me at "multiple drivers" in airpods-max liked headphones.
where did they get 30ft thunderbolt 3 cable?
Optical Thunderbolt 3. Around 369.00 USD for 10m. I actually use the original TB optical with converters on one of my satellite Apollos.
At 9:45 when you mention that you were "literally" fooled by the lights... what the heck are you referring to? I keep wanting to think that the sliding door big window is fake and somehow appearing as though its a bright sunny day outside. It's late, I'll check it again in the morning because right now I'm baffled.
The light outside the window is from a light fixture. I thought it was just sunlight.
@@AndrewMasters wow what kind of fixture would be needed for this? Any info to get something like that for my own studio?
I don't understand why the studio is not centred in that room - the reflections from a speaker will reach one wall sooner than another...
looks like it...but could just be the way the video angles are
And thats why we use monitor calibration for EQ and TOF etc, centralised rooms aren’t always the best, some of the best sounding studios I’ve worked in are offset in one way or another.. As he said though, he used the beam above to build around.
total cost ?
Psst at 13:50. Might be a boo boo with the audio from b roll not being muted. 🙌🏼
lavalier mics pointed to throat poor sound... great space nice interview thks!
:)
such a nice studio, what a shame the camera man was drunk because this is way too shaky to watch
listening to the Playing God mix on Jonathan's channel has won me over. Even over headphones there is so much more room in the mix than in the original song. People don't seem to get that you don't have to be listening on a 9.1 system to get the experience. Between that and the adoption rate for both consumers and manufactures I feel like atmos is here to stay.
To me it sounds like there is more room in the Atmos mix because there is no bus compression / limiting going on, that's not a thing (yet) in Atmos. Also, the original stereo mix of Playing God has super wide panning on the acoustic guitars, which makes them sound super close. If people wouldn't use bus compression / limiting and would refrain from panning so extreme you would get a similar result as this Atmos mix.
It might be easier getting there with an Atmos workflow though, not sure.
@@dustycooper that’s a good observation and could be part of it also. Dolby also demands lower lufs which helps with a wider range of dynamics. Either way I’m going to start playing around with it on the next project.
and after all that GENELEC make a new speaker line ,and it put a subwoofer to it,........it's a pickle
deadmau5 has had an Atmos studio for years and nobody even mentions it.
Enjoying Dolby Atmos music with quality is expensive.
Unlike stereo and equipment depending, Atmos music can only be appreciated at medium to high volumes. Too much background mechanical noise (RFI), and to think the cables that carry the signal to my height channels happen to be shielded as well. Can only assume the heightened noise floor (faint background signal noise) becomes more apparent cause the entry-level cables on my height channels have limited shielding. Hence, when the height channels are switched off (externally amplified poweramp), just going through just a five channel configuration (base-level). The noise floor comes back down to satisfactory levels, unlike the height channels, which only have limited shielding. The shielding on my base-level speaker cables are of superior quality.
Unshielded cables often act as antennas for attracting RF, and the longer the cable, the better the antenna. Probably explains why when I used to disconnect my height and surround channels within 10 minutes, the unwanted faint background signal noise used to dissipate.
Maybe I should've matched cables of the same quality? Yeah, so long as I don't mind paying at least an extra £500 for the height channel cables.
Conclusion;
Other than listening at medium to high volumes, listening to Dolby Atmos music with quality can be rather expensive.
An avid music listener.
Hey B from IGMaudio here! The entry level is getting more and more affordable. With a little bit of stretch you can get a descend setup for $2000 nowadays.
Regarding to your question and issues on RFI: "Maybe I should've matched cables of the same quality? Yeah, so long as I don't mind paying at least an extra £500 for the height channel cables"
The solution that comes to mind and which would compete strongly with "high-end cables" is to glue an openable ferrite sleeve from one end of your audio cables to the other, which would massively help your issue. If you still have rfi, wrap the cable around the ferrite sleeve until you can hear it. One or two wraps at most would be sufficient if necessary.
All the best!
Ben
@IGMaudio thanks for your advice and trying to help. Unfortunately, the height cables are now inaccessible, but thanks all the same.
Totally, not the application attended for Atmos. But, damn, I would love to sit there and watch ASMR that was mixed with an Atmos set up.
Mostly un accessable gimmick. It's cool but high barrier to entry
Is it just me or does Jonathan look like Lin-Manuel Mirandas brother 😅
I want to hear a real Atmos room so bad, airpods really don't cut it in my opinion
That's certainly a nice setup, but what's the ROI?
How many requests is he getting per year for ATMOS mixes?
ATMOS was released in 2012 and as of 2022 has a less than 1% market in movie theaters given that the cost is high to convert theaters to ATMOS that market share isn't going to grow very fast if at all.
As far as the home "theater" situation, marketing of "ATMOS" sound bars is growing but like surround sound true ATMOS is expensive and difficult to implement in a home environment and there isn't enough ATMOS entertainment material to justify the effort.
To me personally, it just doesn't make sense to spend the huge amount of money required to implement ATMOS in a studio environment at this point in time.
Wrong - almost every track released now has an spatial mix.. Wake up and see what apple did to the market.
So to be an Atmos mixer will cost a min. of $90,000 .. you see what the goal is here?
Only one display... oof
So it’s not a 9 2 4 or 6
Atmos is like VR. It’s kinda cool if you have the money but nobody really cares much about it, except Content Creators with Gear Store sponsorships and recording studios struggling from the home studio revolution. I’m not impressed as a consumer.
Great way to put it. I couldn’t agree more.
Do you have an iPhone? You have Atmos. Do you have an Android device? You have Atmos. It's also available in various less expensive soundbar configurations and smart speakers. So, it's different than VR.
Dude you must’ve been living under a rock 😂 Atmos is almost everywhere now!
It's for studios, cinemas, and enthusiasts with money to burn. It's a pro level setup and it's not meant to appeal to regular consumers. You can live your life just fine without giving a shit about atmos and it won't impact you. I personally don't care about it for home use but I appreciate anything that can bring better sound to the whole industry.
I am extremely impressed in Atmos but I agree it’s hard for many to experience it as it was meant to be
You've kinda lost me on the Atmos. I really felt I was learning a lot on your channel, even after 40 yrs as a producer/engineer. But I will never own an Atmos system. I think they are cool but until the average home and car has them, it's kinda like Star Trek knowledge. Anyway. You asked
That's the point though. Atmos is already available in many of the new home audio systems and multiple car manufacturers have announced this year that they will be putting atmos in their new cars
@@MrCornelius234 I suppose. But it's not accessible for most project studios or home studios which is what I thought your channel's focus was on. I'm helping 12 yr olds set up amazing home studios and training many on DAWs, etc. Many home studios you visit are really just inspiration for us viewers knowing ours may never look like that. But we can probably afford those drums or that mic or plugin. Don't see a lot of home studios doing quad or surround mixing either, and I'm pretty sure they were once the big craze and going to take over. Curious, is Apple and Spotify going to insist on all the Beatles tunes to be remixed in Atmos or will they remove those from their catalog? Anyway. I really appreciate you and your channel. I just wanted to speak up for the little guy. The 12 yr old that doesn't have an extra 50k lying around. ;)
The average home and car alrready have it.
Until we know for sure atmos is seeing real mainstream adoption, not just apple forcing it upon the industry. When that dude sitting in the corner has atmos on his blackberry… then it will make sense to invest in one of these setups. Until then, why not just buy a pair of airpods and mix on headphones? If 90% of the userbase is listening on the same set of headphones, why not just mix for them on the same headphones? Especially since it’s so much more cost effective?
I still don't feel music will make it as ATMOS....Apple can push all they want but the reality 99% of the market just won't bother with purchasing a ATMOS set up to listen to thier music.
For the audiophiles out there sure maybe....but we're NOT the mass consumers.....and Binaural is OKAY-ISH....but I don't see labels paying top dollar for ATMOS Music mixes, cuz the consumers won't pay extra for it period.