The Consequences of Women Having Less Kids in 2024... - Louise Perry
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More inhumane nonsense?
it's not just women tho lol... this could've easily been called Men have Less Kids in 2024
people clued in hat the only reason why someone would ask you to have kids is the same person who wants labourers fro themselves. Thats why it has the stigma it does. It all boils down to the current dominant system and the current market demanding free inputs, and that always is done through breeding which is tied to keeping people poor too. If we were making babies to improve conditions for oursleves, the average folk, then things could be different. Once theres a system invented that favours the many instead of the few and keeps the many rich instead indefinielty while maintiaining a vibrant and lush planet, then we can start talking about children
More unscientific trash? Your hot take was we need more babies to have bigger armies. In 1940 we had about 2.3B people. You know what the world's problem was? Not enough armies. Yeah, that's it.
Less kids tracks entirely with feminism and women in the work force like it or not that’s it.
Life is turning to crap and I don't want a child to be subject to this nonsense!
It's the consequence of stagnating real wages and the decrease in economic mobility that has been slowly worsening since the 1970s and is now reaching criticality.
Paradoxically, no. Its the opposite. A well researched area of economics. See section 3:45 of this video clip where Louise references this vary phenomenon. Income growth is inversely correlated with family size. As incomes in a society rise, children per couple decline. Mexico is a striking example. In 1970, median children per women was 6.7. Today it is less than 2.5. As women do better financially, the total cost of having children, particular the opportunity cost of a valuable career increases. Women respond to this cost logically by having fewer children.
@@williamquigley852 : It isn't paradoxical at all. In countries like Mexico there was historically little or no government assistance for retirees or the ill, so most people had to have several children to increase the likelihood that there would be someone available to care for them in their times of need. But as their economic situations have improved the need to have children has decreased (and in Mexico's case, the introduction of a mandatory pension plan in *1997* sure helped).
The situation is different in countries that have had some form of social assistance for the past 100 years or more, eg: the US started a pension plan for veterans in 1890 and it quickly expanded to the rest of the population. In these countries the opposite is happening: Increasingly, to ensure that people can afford some kind of care in their times of need, it's in their best interest to not have children, and both stagnating wages and decreasing economic mobility are a direct cause for this.
People are just fed up with being used as fee range tax cattle, you feel its gonna get worse , soulless corporations are taking over everything and who wants that for their kids.
Corporations will do whatever is allowed by law, and sometimes more. The government creates the framework and can change it. Studies show that the best outcome for children is a two parent family. Does the government do everything they can to foster that?
Atheism has made the western world pathetic. It's so inferior to what it used to be. Our decline is unstoppable and VERY VERY deserved. Once we fall a little further then far more nations will be looking to attack and cause chaos. I refuse to have kids and let them grow up in the moral cesspool of Europe or America. What is funny is that the rest of the world is even worse, but it will tear us to pieces when it gets the chance soon. I for one am glad that judgement is coming for America and Europe. Both are disgusting.
They want all the money to go to the few at the top so this is what they get.
Become an informed voter and vote often.
@@michaelcavalier8750 govts dont create anything, so who you think runs them lol
In a broader context, it's not just the decrease of children, it's families. What does the decrease of families do to the fabric of society?
It makes society increasingly vulnerable to the anti-social virus of Socialism.
Ruins it probably. 25 to 35 year olds can't afford a home, can't afford children, hell they can only just about make the rent. So what's in it for them? Nobosy wants to deal with the elephant in the room though. I'd love kids one day, but I hope they get a better deal than I did.
The family is every person's first experience of a society-in-miniature.
Broken family = broken society, eventually.
But it sure does make a lot of people dependent on "Uncle Sam" to "take care of them"... which means it's good for the politicians on that side of things.
Who needs family when you have such a benevolent loving uncle sam?
Nothing, because the fundamental unit of a healthy society is the individual, not the family.
I can't pay all my bills and I don't have kids, how am I suppose to raise a child?
Interesting how it's women having less kids. I thought kids took two to tango.
Men have been told that they have no say in reproduction. They have no say before, during or after a child is born.
This view is backed by social pressure and legislation and the application of family law.
Men have no say. It’s been that way for thirty years at this point.
Society can’t have it both ways. Women have insisted on all the power. With that comes all the responsibility.
Only women can birth babies. Their body their choice.....so the responsibility is theirs. Men will always want sax.
How is it interesting? You have birth control and abortion with zero say from men. Thats 100% control that women have alone.
Women have complete control over reproduction.
Yes, men love to blame women for everything. Misogyny is alive and well, and many are 4B because they are opting out all together. If more men actually did do their full equal part and that means the housework, child care, and their part of the relationship things wouldn't be this bad. They tell women to choose better and when we do they complain about this and that. Women are now saying we are done. Listen to them. They aren't kidding.
People are struggling to make friends and date . Not sure how they are gonna jump to married with children ?
Yeh they don’t understand that it’s getting people together that’s the problem. That is literally how you initiate family structure which won’t happen it’s not money.
Stop being autistic and vegan and you might just get that pushy wet.
100% not money issue, got more than enough, but no women worth marrying
Yep, true, and it serms all part of a plan, to destroy the western civilisation, by atacking it on many fronts.. for example people not being able to make friends of have a boy/girlfriend .. all designed by … yeah.. . who?
Poor leadership leads to a loss of confidence and morale. That happens in businesses, countries and civilisations.
Leadership has been so abysmal for a while now, and here we are.
Well said. We know every Democrat president has been absolutely devastating to America for decades. I wonder if there actually was a good on at some point. Left leaders in Europe have been equally crappy for a long time. Picking turds for leaders has consequences.
Many people have a lot of financial instability, I think she is missing this point. Maybe right now we have enough money, but we have no confidence that we will have enough money in the future to pay for housing and food. So, anyone who actually cares about their future children would be reluctant to have children when they don't feel confident they can feed them and provide shelter for them.
I think in the past there was a lot more family and societal support and people knew they could count on their parents and friends if something went wrong. Now most of us are just isolated and alone, with nowhere to turn to if life takes a bad turn...
boomer grandparents are the worse set of granparents in history.. in fact they are responsible for a lot and they do not even have it in them to acknowledge and reset
Yes, lack of community is the real problem
From UK, my mum used to tell me when she was a young mum, there were so many local baby groups to help with childcare, some were free ran by old ladies who were retired, some were only £2 (in the 90s). This helped so much, now these type of child care groups run by councils or good will don't exist. Baby daycare is £50-£60 a day now... Tories destroyed these services. Families just don't have affordable support. So what's the point?
Just an after effect of hyper individualism and “I don’t need no man/woman attitude”…
Meh... ultimately though, society controls the economy. These things are all amendable
It's just too expensive! People are scared to have kids because they can barely afford themselves. Even people that are frugal and have high paying jobs.
Western Family is Quiet Quitting.
Can't blame them. The status quo has made life unaffordable even taking care of yourself.
Is it a status quo if it’s actively getting worse?
Poor people have more children than rich people. It's not to do with lack of money.
@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 _»Poor people have more children than rich people.«_
There it is, the first mistake you made.😉
See, you need to understand, that it's *not* _poor_ people in and of itself being the most reproductive. That was actually never really true in the first place_ …
It's *illiterate¹* people being the most reproductive, since these mostly _just doesn't care_ about their children's future.
_It's generally not _*_poor_*_ people being the most reproductive, it's _*_illiterate_*_ people making _*_poor_*_ choices (about their future' children), which are the most reproductive!_
That is, since most *literate¹* and sophisticated¹ people are intellectually sane and sober enough, to avoid children, if they cannot guarantee their own future children some at least decently reasonable upbringing, without being able to get raised in utter poverty. Thus, most sane and sober people avoid kids, as long as they can't avoid a upbringing in poverty.
¹I try to expressively avoid the term ›educated‹, since these days it's largely synonyme with !ndoctr!nated.
@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391
I love the “cost of living” cope when literal six figure ($100,000-999,999) insufferable college educated, neo-yuppies opt out to have “furbaby” over children and then they come with this “cost of living” BS when the birthrates are held up by the poor people. They would have a point if birthrates increased with income, but it doesn’t, birthrates decrease the wealthier you are.
This is a cultural issue supercharged by decades of antinatalist propaganda.
@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391Yeah that's what society needs poor people having lots of kids or middle class struggling families popping them out working multiple jobs and dont even raise their kids properly and sociery looks so wonderful with the resulting dregs of civilization
It's not my job to have kids for the economy.
you got that right!
So true. Men can birth em now.
Its your job to work with men to keep the species alive.
@@LordRykard9376 Pay me.
@@LordRykard9376 with 8+ billion people in the world, i would say the species is alive. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
To me, it seems like everyone kind of "woke up" and looked around and wondered: Why are we doing this? Just because it's "the way", why should we continue? So we collectively decided to stop and by stop I mean, no more working, playing, socializing, caring about our family even just interacting with each other, let alone actually making babies. I notice it in myself, I just don't care anymore. It's apathy and nihilism. I used to love holidays and look forward to them but now I wonder what's the point? It's actually just another day. And this goes for many aspects of my life. I'm just not too sure why I was living how I was and why am I living how I am now? It's kind of hard to describe but I think a lot of others are feeling it too.
No disrespect intended, but what you describe here is the absence of God and spirit in your life and in society. The irony about the "woke up" metaphor here is that the opposite would be more accurate. As humanity retreats further from God, so goes their happiness and meaning. Peace.
When truth is relative, people tend to nihilism. There is no ideal. "12 rules for life" of Jordan Peterson says about that.
@@gameagerrThe most peaceful and functional societies in the world have high rates of agnosticism. The 10 happiest country in the world are primarily agnostic
Anhedonia
@@gameagerrI am not a religious person, but this guy just hit the nail on the head. Thank you!
I am surprised that more people don't think of the decline of the Roman Empire . Pretty much everything they did , we are doing it ,or close to it .
Yes but the overall thinking by the left is that we will do it better!
That group of people who have never once considered the Roman Empire ought to have voting privileges revoked.
the Roman Empire was artificially buoyed for years by mass migration hmmm fkt thats now
Atheism has made the western world pathetic. It's so inferior to what it used to be. Our decline is unstoppable and VERY VERY deserved. Once we fall a little further then far more nations will be looking to attack and cause chaos. I refuse to have kids and let them grow up in the moral cesspool of Europe or America. What is funny is that the rest of the world is even worse, but it will tear us to pieces when it gets the chance soon. I for one am glad that judgement is coming for America and Europe. Both are disgusting.
Yeah we really have constant usurpations of power and civil wars and we've hired foreign tribes defend us.
I lived in Canada a few years back, we had 3 kids 4 and under and people shamed us in public shamed us for having too many, "Are these all yours!?... Do you know what a condom is?... Keep it in your pants man..."
Were your kids screaming in public or something? I find it hard to believe Canadians would say something to a stranger about their kids unless something really disruptive was happening.
@@KatharineOsborne I can assure you, as a Canadian, that there are Canadians who would say this to someone.
To be fair, we do watch US television.
Canada isnt the socialist paradise you all think it is
@@KatharineOsborne I have to wonder, are you Canadian? Believe me, they insult each other for way less, they're assholes to one another.
As I always say: "The only people Canadians hate are other Canadians."
No they didn’t lol
"Fewer" kids, not "less" kids
“Lesser” kids
You see what they did there....there's a certain type of person this is geared toward.
Thanks stannis 😎
"fewer" autism
Came here to say this. Thank you.
I am 31. I would absolutely LOVE to have a family and kids. But you know what's holding me back? I live in London. I cannot even afford my own flat, not even talking about buying a house and taking out a mortgage...
And I don't even earn that little. This is true all over the Western world. I think it's a total misconception that young people don't WANT kids. I think that's something that social media has made us believe because all we see there are those extremely immature and narcissistic pricks who hate children. But in reality, almost everyone I know wants children... most just cannot see how it would be possible or feasible.
Could you not move out of London?
I’m sure the “flats” 2 hours out of the city are in your price range, plus the women there are not city girls! Commuting is a man’s second job. Your not working hard enough
I don't knwo ou but I cn say this for sure. You can afford to have kids. You just don't want to make the necessary sacrifices. That does not make you a bad person , but stop kidding yourself.
@@jamesmanter8731Commuting 4 hours every day is utterly moronic.
Move out of London
Nobody wants to tell the other reality of this debate - the more a society progresses, couples chose to have fewer children. I know several people from large families - 6-7 siblings. ALL of them have a maximum of 2 now, not because they cannot financially afford more, simply because they don’t want to repeat their childhood of overcrowded household where resources such as love and care are in fact finite.
Anyone that actually has kids, knows that MEANINGFULLY caring for two is a handful, let alone 4-5. Yes, some people do it, but most prefer quality parenting over quantity. Don’t blame them for that. 🤷♀️
Poor countries and communities have a lot of kids, but have you seen the quality of their parenting? At sone point, the lack of education and means makes them neglectful and even abusive parents.
it's really hard to have kids when you are a missed paycheck or two away from an eviction notice. it's one thing to be homeless, it's a completely different thing to imagine being on the streets with two little kids
Not sure I agree with this. I’m one of ten and I never felt less loved growing up. In fact I think we had more love and care than the average family because each sibling brings their own love and care to the table, and my siblings and I are still very close to this day. The love multiplied, it didn’t divide.
@@twocents7509 yea I had 3 siblings once, I have no family at all now but I have money and I can say that being alone with money is much much worse than having a big family and being broke
@@twocents7509 there’s the individual and there’s the aggregate. If the majority of children from large households truly enjoyed their circumstances, they would try to replicate it as adults. The fact that the majority opt for fewer kids, tells us all we need to know.
The focus on quantity is incredibly bad - we need more well-raised and adjusted individuals, not just more for the sake of numbers. We are no longer agrarian societies that require child labor for working the field. Instead of talking about restructuring our systems to accommodate these societal changes, all we do is empty philosophical talk about birth rates.
Birth rates are as they are - we won’t get back to post-WWII numbers, because we are not post-WWII anymore. Telling people that can’t or won’t have more children to have more children won’t help. What will help is actual solutions (and no, mass immigration should not be one of the solutions).
1. Housing costs WAY too much. This means both parents need to work FT or nearly FT to live a comfortable life... Hopefully free childcare hours will help some of this.
2. People have been given the illusion of the perfect match and infinite options by online dating... Meaning people are staying single for WAY longer.
3. The death of religion and traditionally held values means that a lot of young people arent overtly taught the value of family.
4. Young people have been taught to worry about the climate more than anything else, and that more humans = worse climate.
5. People don't seem to realise that pensions and our public services are in some way Ponzi schemes, that require more people coming through to pay for the prior generation.
Excellent post. Depressing though.
@@Globaldave1970 thanks. A note on point 1, KK and Perry are right to note that wealth inversely correlates to number of children, and this is how we moved from 6 kids each down to 2. However, the issue is housing costs as a proportion of income... This means that children are proportionally more expensive if you think that more children requires more house space.
Obviously, we could nip that in the bud and normalise lots of kids sharing bedrooms again, but the combination of expecting a room for each child and the proportionally more expensive housing, is a major factor.
On number 5. Younger gens have always done the work to help the old ones who cannot work anymore, and the youngest ones that cannot work yet. You seem very selfish to break the cycle when it is your turn to work. Would you starve grandma so you can afford your lifestyle?
@@fatmonkey4716 I think you've misunderstood. The point is that we are living longer and need enough new people to pay for our pensions in the future. Nobody is saying that working age people shouldn't pay for others, I'm saying that we need a lot of future people to pay for us in the future, aging population = more need for more future tax payers. People don't always appreciate how absolutely vital that is.
@@andytc4840 Indeed I have, my apologies. We shall have some examples of what happens when societies face serious population decline before it happens to us.
It’s not only about the money. No one has the energy for a big family anymore. Half the population is depressed. The pressure to be a perfect instagram-mom is ridiculous. And whatever you do as a mother is wrong and you’re judged by everyone .There’s just no benefit for many individuals to have a lot of children or even just one.🤷♀️
in a farm the calf belongs to the farmer not the cow
Kids? With the wages as they are?
It’s really hard to raise a large brood ( I have 4), when both parents have to work full time just to feed and house the family, and struggle with grinding poverty, as the cost of living becomes ever more impossible to keep up with. Guilt , guilt , guilt….
Don’t have 4 then
How rude and utterly assinine! I'm sure most parents don't calculate unexpected inflation in their budgets! She has four children and is doing the best she can despite rising costs. @@jtyler9130
Don't feel guilty. Talk to your children and let them know what's going on with your finances. Kids can be very understanding if you can't get something they want if they understand what's up. My three were really great about limited budgets.
@@DreamingDarlinno, never burden children with adult anxieties like finances.
The people at the top don't care how hard your life is. Their bottom line is being affected so they feel justified in scolding you for your life choices.
We can’t afford kids, and what future are we bringing these kiddos too?
Poverty and a early death, why would you not want that? 😮
Can’t afford kids, she has to do everything and be his mother. It’s a wonder anyone has kids
There are a lot of arguments that can be made but I think that one underlying, subconscious reason thing that I think may be a contributor, can be found in many animals. When an animal is in a situation where they are not comfortable/insecure or feel threat, this impacts their behaviour and will stop them acting as they would under normal circumstances, affecting things like the desire to procreate etc. This can be seen in many animals that do badly in captivity for example, and even when you look at certain animals which will kill or eat their young if they feel under threat or other situations in which survival instincts kick in. As animals, I think this affects humans also and for many people, this subconscious mechanism is active whether they realise it, or not because of many of the usual arguments, such as high accommodation and housing prices, but it also goes all the way down to things like mental health, low-self image, lack of value/fulfilment in their lives etc - thing that are impacted greatly by our current society and technology such as social media, modern culture etc. I think this leaves people with a poor and insecure mental foundation that absolutely would subconsciously impact how they feel about starting a family, having children, making commitments, and other decisions which require a confident and maturely developed mental state to even begin to consider.
And ironically, its safer for more people to have children in most of the world today that at almost any other point in history. Heath Care, food supply, social safety nets all contribute. The world's population skyrocketed over the past century not because more babies were born but because more babies live. A woman who gave birth to 10 children 200 years ago might see 2 or 3 make it to adulthood. Today the death of a child is a shocking rarity. But our perception of the world has changed radically as well over the past decade.
Bingo.
Finally someone gets it.
When I was a single mom I was able to afford a 2 bedroom apartment. Now there’s no way a single mom can do that. It’s not worth the risk for women.
Try getting commitment before you make babies.
You shouldn’t be a single mom
@@SkidMarkSteve69 I was a widow don’t be so quick to judge others.
@@shaymalchione809 I’m saying in general, obviously there are outliers
@@SkidMarkSteve69 No woman wants to be a single mom that’s why it’s not worth the risk of pregnancy for women cause there’s a good chance they’ll become one.
My wife and I didn't have kids because we couldn’t afford it.
sure you have a nice car, travel abroad and buy a bunch of useless stuff like video game, barbecue grill, etc, but no kids.
life is depressing when all it feels you have time for is work. I want another baby but i want to actually stay home with my baby.
Just glossing over the economic difficulties of having kids as "Just missing the mark" gets a dislike. It's like they talked around the point without discussing anything of substance. She is certainly not talking about any real solution.
Imagine that, people dont want to live on the edge of survival. Hard to grasp concept.
They want phones , laptops, cars, house, investments, safe retirement, decent food, education(nice job),travel a bit.
People would have children if the conditions are decent.
Its hard to have 2-3 kids if it requires me to work 60hours a week.
I wouldn’t raise a dog in the west, much less a child. If society ends then so be it. The human species was irritating me anyway.
🤣 I’m irritated by the human race too ! Animals belong to this planet. Not humans.
I love how the video is dealing with the survival of the species, but what everyone is worried about is the grammar mistake in the title.
Because they're offended and depressed by the reality presented here, and instead of looking in the mirror and accepting responsibility for themselves, they blame others.
This is the essence of our failing Western Society.
We've gotten so comfortable - despite what many will suggest - that we've decided to hate ourselves.
This is why countries like China and Iran force a "foreign enemy". Something to keep the population together and walking the same direction.
But the grammatical sloppiness is emblematic of the purposeless wasteland inhabited by the contemporary young.
Hadn't even noticed, now I need to have a look and get mad about it.
😂😂😂
"survival of the species"? Um, we just tipped over the 8 billion mark . In 1924 we hadn't hit 2 billion yet. The first year population growth dropped bellow 1:1 was 2020. Every second 2 people die but 4.2 people are born. The species is doing just fine. Meanwhile, non-human species extinction rates are skyrocketing. The amount of arable land is declining rapidly, AI and automation is eliminating jobs at a shocking rate. Why exactly do we need to keep the population growing?
Why would anyone want to bring kids into a world with no future and no middle class
Apparently we have to do this in order to have elder care while the government continues to spend $80 million on wars
you got that right!
My ancestors did it despite wars, famine, natural disasters, poverty. I mean, you could just say you're a coward.
@@LordRykard9376 You could just say you're a narcissist.
@@TyrannicalCZcams I'm a narcissist because I am sacrificing things for a future generation?
Build a family, sweety.
The consequences: less pollution, less criminals, less global warming...
I’m a young man, I’m financially stable and could easily afford a family. My fears are a social one.. we live in an untraditional society, where divorce rates are high with a legal system that would destroy me in the event of a divorce (that is highly likely based upon statistics). It’s just not worth the risk.
then take a better look at the statistic and think why divorced women with kids so often sink into poverty. Also might be interesting for you to learn about the reasons for such high divorce rates
You could always consider a pre-nup... legally binding in USA and taken into account in places like UK.
@@vladaburlakova1529 I have and it’s usually “no fault” which tends to be because the couple have “drifted apart” because the unrealistic Hollywood movie expectations haven’t been met
@@vladaburlakova1529 If you weren’t in you’re feelings you would have read his comment and know that he has done his homework. You must be miserably married
If you could move into some cheap countries where divorce rate is very low, then it would be a better environment for leading a decent lifestyle along with family. I know it's hard to leave your already established career, however it sucks to set up a family in that ridiculous environment. It's better to stay away from marriage than being used and thrown in dustbin.
Why is it framed as 'women' having less kids. It takes two to tango.
Because they control reproduction. Not men
Because if men want kids it doesn’t matter if the women doesn’t want to we call that illegal (snuggle struggle) and those men go to jail. It’s pretty obvious women hold all the cards hence it’s their job and mostly in women’s hands if reproduction wethers away.
yeah you lost your priviledge blaming men for everything in one video on youtube, boo hoo hoo let's cry about it, let's try to blame it on men boo hoo hoo
have you tried to find a woman who is eager to have kids these days?
Women are smart no kids from dusty XY
It's not "less" children; it's fewer children. I hate it that people don't know the difference these days.
Maybe if you knew the difference between discriptive grammar and perscriptive you wouldn't have to feel hate.
Son: Dad, why did you have me?
Dad: Because teachers need jobs.
Or daughter to mom
We get it, you would be a selfish father.
@@fatmonkey4716 I would be a father that thinks of my kid as a human being not a tool to improve the economy
😂😂😂 pathetic
@@MagicIsntRealHere Because we all make up society, our actions affect that society. Wanting your child to be a contributer to good society is better than allowing your kid to be a drain on society.
Fewer children means less poverty in a household and savings left to leave your kids. Nothing to inherit when you're 1 of 5 from a working class family.
Ya! Earning your own is wrong!
Lol what a ridiculous take
How much poverty? One can have a family even if poor. One probably shouldn't if giving the child up for adoption is obviously unavoidable in the future.
@@chesterlestrange7725 Earning your own what exactly? Not a house to raise your own family in. People need help from their parents more and more to get on the ladder. Average parents in Britain wouldn't be able to do that for 5 children. I think people are making these family planning decisions in response to the futility people experience in the modern rat race.
@@eboxjmc pathetic....
I was wondering, what percentage of those concerned with declining population have children of their own?
Do you know how much would it cost, to raise one child?
I WOULD LOVE TO BE A FATHER... but I cant possibly afford it. I make less today as an IT analyst than my mother did waitressing part time in 1968 adjusted for inflation.
Don't overthink - the reproduction is a female territory, you decide nothing. Just pick up a right woman who wants to reproduce.
Calm down; the Amish, Mormons, Muslims, Orthodox Jews, they'll keep the population up.
Hispanics
Africans and indians too
They’ll Be Last On Earth To Wipe Eachother Out Over Stupid Beliefs As Well
@@jasonfromguitarcentersure they will buddy. Since you don’t seem that smart let me clearly tell you that I am being sarcastic
The Brawndo drinkers will continue to forget condoms and screw like rabbits.
We need to make having children affordable again. When you have a couple both working full time and barely can sustain themselves, it is very difficult to bring a child into the world... knowing you won't be able to provide. At best case scenario, one paycheck goes to child care and you are down to one paycheck to sustain a child and two adults at poverty level. I am 43. And I have put off having a child in the hopes that one day I will have the financial stability to be a parent. Not happening for me.
Having one parent working would lead to a society being less prosperous and GDP decreasing which would make us all poorer. Your two desirables are mutually exclusive.
@BonnieDoon84 Nah the reality is men who want to have kids can't afford their girlfriends haha. Let's be honest nobody wants to date a poor/broke man and most men are poor and broken nowadays.
@BonnieDoon84 we don't even make 60 k. Do you understand how it becomes financially impossible?
If one paycheck goes to childcare than it makes no sense for that person to work. They would be better to stay at home and take care of the children, preferably the mother because men can't grow a child in the womb and breastfeed. The role of the mother is irreplaceable. We need to remember that as a society again instead of having children and giving them to strangers to raise.
We have way, way, wayyy more stuff including food than compared to 100 years ago and virtually any other time and place in history.
Lack of material goods was never, ever a reason.
Society survived without this many people before
it doesn't survive a decline, though. you need more young people than old people or everything gets upside down
Yes but humanity has always had an upwards birth rate. This might be the first time in our history where birth rates are tanking. We're going into uncharted territory with this.
They are beginning to buy more dogs/cats to replace children too, I noticed.
And replace men too. The cats of the world thank modern males for their new homes. 🐈
Kids cost money and money is tight for everyone. Who can afford having children these days?
Not having kids made me a millionaire. 🤑
Us too! And we're hellbent on spending every penny of it before we die!
I'd love to have kids. Sadly I probably won't ever earn enough money to get a girlfriend in the first place.
Yeah it's often implied men don't want to have kids because they can't afford them but the reality is they can't afford their girlfriends
It's not entirely money. I've seen homeless guys with girl friends - but whatever it is, I ain't got it. ☹
People used to say "Two can live as cheaply as One." We need to return to that.
Your self image is the blocker. If you think of yourself as a failure, why would anybody else think of you differently?
Have you ever heard of bride kidnapping? Or a bride market? You could just move away from the whore culture
You don't need to convince people to increase reproduction. You need to fix the systemic problems of society. Reproduction will follow.
I had 3 children but my children don't want to have kids because of how bad the state of the world is today
Common sentiment.
The world has never been in a better state. The only difference is how we are now bombarded with news/info, how we are wired to be more interested in negative news and how the media predominantly shows negative news because of this.
This response has been fed to us for decades usually out of the play book of some dystopian, post-modernist lefty but as was pointed out it $%@!s us in the end. Greed from the boomer generation has caused this as well, due to insane housing costs in the west.
@@Fithvial In regards to the housing costs, it's not necessarily greed.
Supply and demand... and a lot of the cost of housing is driven by the constant influx of a million + new immigrants every year.
Cost of materials, cost of labor, cost of code compliance, cost of building permits, cities *refusing* to give building permits...
There's a lot of things combining to raise the cost of housing... and that very much includes inflation, which is largely driven by governments, who learned that by devaluing their own currency (inflation) can borrow a lot of money (to buy votes) and not have to pay back as much, die to inflation.
@@FithvialThe Boomers spent their childhoods in deprivation, still rationed, dead and maimed and missing parents, no dishwashers, washing machines, gas mantles not electric, no central heating or boilers, leaving school at 14 or 15, going to night school under their own steam, some born just before doing national service. They were the ones, with their parents, who made all the changes the next generation benefitted from, with longer and better education opportunities, lifting the working age, NHS...and you call them greedy? They sure as hell made sure your life was better...just say thank you and hope they don't disinherit your ungrateful behind.
I'm sick of hearing about 'greedy' Boomers...I'm grateful to my parents generation because my life has been a lot easier than theirs was becaus4 of their efforts.
When society is favorable we look to reproduce and pass on our knowledge and recourses. When it's not favorable we reach for immortality. Society is not favorable right now.
The consequences? Replacement.
eXTINCTION. tHAT'S WHAT jAPAN AND sOUTH kOREA HAVE CHOSEN.
Cart before the horse.
@@skylinefeverBetter “extinction” than replacement because extinction won’t happen
@@bebebaba3442 Extinction of your Gene Pool and Ethnicity, not of the Human Race, When was the last time to heard about the Sarmatians?
@@DonesdeMotivacion There are North Koreans they will live.
Mother Nature re-asserting control over the arrogant human animal. Almost God-like the way this works, but playing out as the human version of utopia mouse experiment.
Humans in control designed this......
People with your perspective sound like they worship nature, almost like how pagans worshiped Gaia. We control our own destiny’s
life is no utopia but yes their similar results.
Steady happy couples have children.
Too much pressure these days.
No. Steady happy couples also don’t want children for various reasons. Been happily married for 8 years and not planning to bring kids into this situation.
@@reginaberger8406 Then your selfishly leaving it to mine and others kids to keep you going in your later years.
@@tyhar7493 oh well. Would you like to have been born to parents who didn’t want you? I don’t like kids. We have two aging mothers who are going to be our financial responsibility in a short time. There is no money, time, or energy for kids. I work, pay taxes, and have a retirement fund that is supposed to take care of me when I’m old.
@@reginaberger8406 Very weird you use looking after you parents as an excuse to why you can't be a parent. Who's gonna look after you when your their age? It's gonna be a pretty lonely time for you with no family around and the societal and economical collapse of neighbourhoods around you. But you keep living your comfortable lifestyle for now.
@@tyhar7493 my parents are selfish axholes just like you who’s idea of financially safe future was to have kids who will take care of them, instead of earning enough money and saving for their own retirement. You think your kids will be thrilled to be around you when you’re old and in need of diaper changes?😂 i’ll live my happy, comfortable life now and then go to a retirement home, if I even live to be old.
Done on purpose.
The government and whoever is in charge of them has:
1. Put most kids in education until til they are 21+.
2. Increased student costs so most end up in huge debt before getting a job.
3. Massively inflated housing costs.
You need to be in a stable relationship at 30, with both of you in good jobs before considering kids now.
That is their plan. Why?
ReReplacement.
Kalergi Plan, Great Replacement: First World Whites demand their rights, but others are more easily controlled by the Ruling Class (see Angleo Codevilla's book of that title) who are globalists and see the masses as nothing more than consumers and units of labor. Ergo, these globalist, trans-national elites want Whites eliminated through mass migration and being outbred by the migrants (invaders).
Maybe women are waking up and want more freedom rather than being a domestic slave.
Of course they do. They've witnessed the monotonous drudgery of childrearing and decided they don't want to submit to that dogma. We want to travel and do fun stuff with our (also) childfree friends rather than being stuck at home changing diapers and teaching junior how to survive in a dying world.
But do they have more freedom? I'd argue that before they had the freedom to stay home and raise kids, which was something most of them tend to enjoy, whereas now they have to spend 8+ hours in an office receiving orders from a boss. And they have to do that until an advanced age. Does that sound like freedom to you?
@@niqjaw5009 That's a false dichotomy. Most can't choose between childrearing and traveling, they have to chose between childrearing and working in an office. And to be honest most don't even have that choice. They have to work in an office, period. Which is why mental health in that population has never been worse.
Facts it’s a scam being a mother and housewife!!!!
Jamie be quiet you’re not a woman so shut it
I would love to have kids, I quite frankly cannot afford any
People need hope they can provide a better life for their children than they had. That hope is dying.
First off it's not women who are choosing to have less children but rather couples in general who are making this choice and they're making these based on circumstances. I can't speak for the UK but here in the US the people that are largely choosing not to change children are those that are 55+ and they're doing it with no regrets whatsoever.
Overall I can't really blame women are choosing not to have children when you consider the fact this statistically adds the growing problem of children growing up in fatherless homes.
Choose better fathers… your country’s women are hell bent on choosing “hotter” deadbeat fathers than actual good “better” fathers… take some accountability for your lives
It IS women who are spearheading the decline. Who do you think decides if a relationship is formed? Women! Women are in the workforce, and for many of them, that means they don't technically need a man. So there are women who are single (by choice in contrast to men who'd like to be in a relationship but can't due to reasons) women who are in relationships but don't want kids, women who have kids (but nowadays in The West the theoretical "child cap" seems to be 3 kids max. This is rare to see nowadays, with one or 2 being far more common.
Women also rate having a family as less important than men by a fair margin. Goes to show how little you women understand your own psyche lmao
What i get from this video is clearly we are not going to have enough young men to die in pointles wars. Man that sucks
So according to Louise women should be having children to provide battle fodder. Does she realise what she is saying?
Don't try to think Libtard. It never goes well. Just move along. Nobody cares about your woke jibrish.
Thats not gonna happen anyway. What a nihilistic comment.
@@purpledahlia1969 I must have missed that part, can you point it out?
@@fatmonkey4716 2:00 mark
Everything is getting more expensive, pay has been stagnant for years. Cost of having kids is really expensive. In america you get a 10,000 dollar hospital bill at birth if you have no insurance. Average day care cost is anywhere from 800-1500 a month. Both parents usually are working due to inflation and stagnant wages so daycare is pretty much unavoidable for most people.
Being a parent can be a miserable experience. Sleep deprivation, no morning lay in, changing stinky diapers. Mourning loss of freedom. Sacrificing dreams you once had. Loss of intimacy with your partner because kids get in the way. School gate parents and politics you’d rather avoid. Unable to focus on a task without being interrupted. Unable to go on holidays to relax because kids require their needs being met. Mine are 2 & 5 years so maybe it’s just a small kids thing and it will get easier as they get older, or maybe not. Once thing for sure, they cost money….
Many women give up their careers while the men do not have to ever.
@@songsthatarecatchythey tend to work until they die
@@forsociopoliticalstuff2629 yeah and they miss their kids growing up.
I've talked to more than a few men who decided to not be married to their work and stay home with their families more.
@@songsthatarecatchy Did you ask them how they managed to pay for things? When most women CHOOSE what they want to do for work, they choose fields that pay less because they deal with people and not technical subjects (and, no, the exceptions do not disprove this). When governments do EVERYTHING to encourage women to go into the STEM fields and the high-paying infrastructure jobs, they typically get LESS likely to engage in them.
You can't fight biology.
@@songsthatarecatchystop glorifying careers… for the vast majority of humans, they are just a means to an end and nothing more
The topic does seem to set some people off like a firecracker but I assume they would go off like that over any subject. Some people just live to be insulted.
So you have children and you put your heart and soul into rearing them. Years later some power hungry man or men wants more power and creates a war and you lose one or more of these precious people. Children watch……children learn, some people don’t want to join the system.
I do enjoy saying that people have no desire to feed cannon fodder to a war machine.
As a man, the only way to ensure that a woman wouldn't take my own (also) kids away from me, and leave me stuck with nothing but the bills and the blame, was to ensure that I never let one of them HAVE my kid in the first place.
@@nyetzdyec3391 Indeed. War and treachery take a lot of prisoners.
@@nyetzdyec3391 the only way to ensure that the mother of your kids doesn't get the custody over them instead of you is to be an equal parent and be fully involved into your kids lives since the moment they're born.
@@vladaburlakova1529 That isn't enough here, in US. The father doesn't get anything even close to an equal chance, and that's true even when the woman does *not* use some of the tactics available to her.
How come when a guy makes a kid and dumps a woman, he pays 100 euros alimony and that's all of his contribution?! No way I am having kids under such conditions. I am a woman, Prague
We had 3. We did our job to keep the population going.
My father told me the he had 2 kids because he had enough wealth to pass down to us and had enough wealth to send us to the best schools in the country most people made tha in a year but a third child would have made it impossible so they decided to not have a third on and focused all their resources on us . And it payed off there is a difference between how you think depending on your education and experience . Not everyone has the resources to do that for 3 kids but can for 1 or 2 so focus on gathering enough resources to have the amount of kids and lifestyle you want society will not raise your kids it's you who will.
the cultures or groups that engage in natalism consistenly are the ones that will rule the world.
Precisely.
Not necessarily. The more savvy and technically advanced societies could subjugate those countries.
The Idiocracy and theocracy will be all there is.
@@JamalW239 Smart people are a proportion of the population, so less people means less smart people. We increasingly won't have the smart individuals required to maintain our technologically advanced systems.
There is a reason why everyone in tech now are Asian. There's billions of them and we siphoning all the smart ones. What happens when we decay to the point that we don't attract these smart individuals anymore?
ie Islam. Thats the plan.
Make cheating illegal & prison worthy, then women will start having kids again
The Only Thing Coming From That Is Y’All Lying About Your Husband Cheating So No
@@jasonfromguitarcenter JASON WAKE UP MEN HAVE ALWAYS CHEATED MORE THEN WOMEN! Wake up smell the roses 🌹 check the data ! Because facts don’t care about your feelings!
Well of course if it becomes a law, there has to be solid proof. This goes for both genders. @@jasonfromguitarcenter
The younger generation have been taught to hate or be ashamed of their country and subjected to scare mongering about the future (climate change). Layered on top of all of that is affluence and freedom to choose a lifestyle does not encourage youngsters to have children.
Well if I do have kids will you set up a trust fund
Set it up yourself
I Still Love My Country. I Don’t Know What You’re Fucking Talking About
I sometimes wonder what it must be like to be young these days. Sounds depressing.
Our politicians taught us to be ashamed of our country. Both sides. We love our country but hate who’s running it.
lack of young men will create enormous battlefield opportunities for women.
Not to mention the 1st Queens' Own Trans Battalion 🫡
Lack of men will probably reduce the need for the battlefield.
Way more hookup culture and non-committal sex.
Sigh. 😮💨
Oh very good, very droll.
@@MackerelCat or increase it.
I can only speak as someone living in the US. But here if you don’t make a lot of money having kids means you live a lower middle class or impoverished life. Parents are shamed (even by family members 😢) for not giving their kids a lavish childhood. I had a kid but I also try not to care about that peer pressure. I don’t blame people for wanting to opt out of that.
No, the argument is that there's way too many dang people in the world who's sucking the Earth dry. That's the argument anyways.
Yeah, I like this channel, but this is far right talking points I'm not a fan of. Hell my town is flooded with people drying up the stores.
I come from Portugal where we have universal public healthcare for almost free and pregnancy care and hospital delivery is free for everyone, independently of income. Still, we have one of the lowest natality rates in the world.
The more Liberal your country the less good it is
Yeah but I thought Portugal doesnt have much upward mobility. I'm guessing you need both.
It’s not free. You pay for it through increased taxes. It’s subsidized, since the health workers are still paid.
What happens to women when the task of raising children is complete?
While women are caring for children, their children's fathers are acquiring experience, skills, knowledge, and contacts that have a monetary value in capitalism. They continue to benefit from their wives' child care for the rest of their working lives, long after they have abandoned the mothers of their children and partnered with younger, childless women.
@@chriswatson1698 Having a children is a risk for everyone. They could hate both parents, the wife can start a career when she’s done, the wife could leave and the husband might have to pay alimony/child support for life etc. You dont want risk, dont have kids. Ive had to start over careers 2x, making new contacts and starting at the bottom.
So I’m supposed to make sons for billionaires wars, in a housing crisis, while we cook ourselves off this rock? I’m not even opposed to having kids, but no. I’m not taking on kids for any of those reasons. Those are horrible reasons to have a baby.
And we're not in the 17th century where all my soldiers stand in this side of the field and all yours on the other and then we charge. Just look at Ukraine, the poorest country in Europe has brought the Russian military (you know the one we sacrificed all our social investment for 50 years to keep up with ?) to a stand still for 2 years. The idea that we need to have kids so we can have big armies is the stupidest argument I've ever heard.
@@seanposkeayou need to broaden your sources for what’s happening. The situation on the ground is the opposite of what you think you know.
@@fujohnson8667 Has Putin taken Kiev? Has the war been going for 2 years? I was born in the 70s. My whole life the west, esp the US, spent half their GDP pumping money into the military because the big scary USSR had more tanks than us or 100k more men or whatever. Some estimates put the number at about $13 trillion. Imagine if we'd spent 1/4 of that on affordable housing, child care, women's health, family care leave, and economic development. The US suffered about 7k casualties in the Iraq and Afghan war. The Iraqis and Afghans lost somewhere between 200k and 500k in direct military action. Using the lowest estimate that's a 28:1 ratio. No, saying, "women, you should have more babies 'cuz we need more soldiers," is something Stalin or Mao would have said.
@@fujohnson8667 @fujohnson8667 Has Putin taken Kiev? Has the war been going for 2 years? I was born in the 70s. My whole life the west, esp the US, spent half their GDP pumping money into the military because the big scary USSR had more tanks than us or 100k more men or whatever. Some estimates put the number at about $13 trillion. Imagine if we'd spent 1/4 of that on affordable housing, child care, women's health, family care leave, and economic development. The US suffered about 7k casualties in the Iraq and Afghan war. The Iraqis and Afghans lost somewhere between 200k and 500k in direct military action. Using the lowest estimate that's a 28:1 ratio. No, saying, "women, you should have more babies 'cuz we need more soldiers," is something Stalin or Mao would have said.
600 000 Ukranian men arw dead and more then a million are injured. 17 million people left thw country. In what world do you think that is a success. Stop watching CNN. Ukranians are about to go extinct because their entire male population is dying .
Here in Bangladesh, no one under 30 wants kids.
They are smart. They will live better lives not having to work day and night to support other humans. You can live a wonderful life if you are not stricken with the responsibilities of caring for others.
@@williamquigley852 Thats the idea for now. Whether or not a good one time will tell
There has never been a successful policy that stimulates birth rates. Not even slowing down trend. The more educated and emancipated women are- less children they have. I have so many female friends who never had children and are extremely happy. They give example of younger women and it just goes on.
There are plenty of babies in Bangladesh, Indonesia, , Malaysia. It works to invite these people. We just need much much much better management of how and who comes. It cannot be worse what we have now. It can only be better and to benefit of all.
I believe, today, it's about the responsibility of having children. Who wants to be strapped down, forced to care for kids you wouldn't have if you weren't pressured into having them? I have two daughters who aren't even interested in boys, or men, at the moment. Just not interested in that kind of relationship, so it might be a lot of social. No trust. They fear they may be treated badly and would rather not experience that. I support their choices. That's all I can do. If they don't want a partner or children, all the more power to them and their freedoms!
Don't call foolish and biological extinction pattern behavior as "freedom".
Children were a money maker in Agriculture societies. But we got technology that can perform the labor so Children are now a luxury. Even 1950s level technology is advanced enough to change the financial reality on having children. However, not using Tech means a neighboring culture can solve some of there issues very easy via resource warfare. 100k soliders with basic weapons vs a small but advanced military is a one sided battle - see Gaza for a modern example
Tyler Durden:
We're a generation of men raised by women. I'm wondering if another woman is really the answer we need.
What a nihilistic comment.
Have fun with just men
@@petttroville5510 The Quote is From "Fight Club"....I think the Author was Gay....But maybe the point is...Women..or any one thing is not the Answer to all our problems or the singular goal we should aspire to.
@@petttroville5510 we do. .what's your point?
I see a lot of younger people saying its money, which is obvioysly part of the equation.
Im nearly 60 and never for a nanosecond wanted a child; i dont like them, never have even as a child myself. Had i been born even 50 years earlier, the lack of decent contraception and societal expectations would have neant i would gave had kids. And ni, just because you have them, doesn't mean you love them, incredibly sad for both mother and child.
Anybody who doesn't get your point does not know about communist Romania. Conservatives will just say "because communism" and pretend children are wanted outside communist countries.
I’m 90 years old. My parents who married in 1917 and then went farming on “homestead land” couldn’t afford all the children they had but they made it work because they wanted us!
Everyone is raging about less but my first thought was ‘why only women?’ Like, the title puts all the responsibility on women but it takes two to tango
Coz women became complete modern woke etc and its women who get pregnant there are plenty of men just no the one women want and what women those men don't want men coz of modern women nature (divorces feminism etc)
Good point! It’s definitely not just women causing the issue. I’ve read some sad stories of women who wanted kids but it never happened for them for various reasons.
Becstse women get pretty much all of the aid and options, from programs for parents (for example, “WICK” in the states), to the right to decide exactly when to have them without consequence, to having no legal obligations to sperm donors while surrogates tend to be able to muttle things. If you get most of the rights and protections, then most of the responsibilities are on you.
The answer is contained in the question. It isn't just fewer women, but fewer couples who are having children
@@forsociopoliticalstuff2629 exactly this. Men have zero say in reproduction. There was even a case recently here in France where a woman gave her baby up for adoption, the father wanted to raise the kid but was denied by the legal system. She was adopted against his will.
This country is already finished anyway.
Looking that way. Especially with attitudes like that.
True. Why have kids in a failed multi-cultural society that hates you?
@@Globaldave1970 Right the attitude is the problem 🙄
Very good point about losing the will to reproduce. It’s mostly NOT about money it’s more about pessimism about the future. That and ubiquitous birth control, loss of religion, etc
Just had a conversation with my professor friend who attended a conference about universities closing by 2030 because there will be so few students. And the youngsters who would normally be students come from cultures that aren't attracted to education.
I guess everything has a silver lining....
Maybe these schools shouldn't have sold overpriced toilet paper for degrees.
I know that colleges provide a useful service... in some cases... ie, doctors, engineers, etc...
But I can't find it in me to have one shred of sympathy for colleges in general.
Or maybe it’s their crappy teaching.
We'll just have all the Indian youngsters come over, it's already happening, ha ha ha!
Encouraging higher birth rates never works for governments.
While measures can be gravy like in Hungary, it’s all cultural.
Georgia
They could stop passing laws that allow men to divorce their wives in middle age, on no grounds at all, halving their living standards.
@@chriswatson1698what world do you live in? Atleast here in the us, it’s the foolish women that divorce their husbands 15-20+ years into the marriage… I do agree on one of your statements, divorcing at that time should not be allowed with infidelity being an exception… clearly neither have been abusive in most cases to have such a long marriage
@@chriswatson1698 so you want complete misandry, it's not enough what we have already
Who are we helping by having bigger families because it’s not the native working British family all our money goes to foreign illegal immigrants who are not well costing millions a day , putting taxes up , safety completely gone and they offer nothing , what a pointless conversation 😢
So depressing.
And chances are high that your child will be bullied for not being muslim. So many children were r.ped and killed because of this insane policy.
They ‘offer nothing’ because they are not allowed to work, integrate, and pay taxes. It’s ironic that a policy of segregation of migrants, people who are young and healthy enough to undertake an arduous and dangerous journey, are not used to help the economy.
I love seeing Japan and South Korea not falling for this.
27 male
Could easily support a fam , but divorce is high
I have five children, that are all grown adults. A contentious divorce was sadly part of their upbringing. My two sons, bookends, want children, whereas my daughters have not expressed an interest to have children yet. I often wonder how much my contentions divorce plays a part in this gender split on wanting children.
I can assure you as a daughter of divorced parents I too have no desire for kids. All I see is unpaid labour and some ungrateful male that leeches off of you. No thanks.
I just don't buy the argument that the decline in birth rates is cultural, because it is happening across the world including in countries which have never seen feminism. I think we forget we are animals as well as humans and these types of trends are probably dictated more by environmental factors that we don't properly understand. Urbanisation could be an issue for example, does it make sense for a species to reproduce in overcrowded conditions? I wonder if we have less control than we think and that what we think are conscious choices are really dictated by larger patterns.
I agree... Russia and China also face decreasing population, as does Saudi Arabia. Hardly bastions of woke liberalism.
Read up on the scientific studies done on mice and rats in captivity. Once their populations reached a certain peak level, they descended into chaos, violence and basically stopped breeding altogether. It is natures way of controlling overpopulation. Humans are now reaching peak levels of overpopulation in urban cities. Lack of dwellings and resources. The same conditions are being applied to people in modern urban living.
Yep, declining birth rates could be nature's way of dealing with overpopulation
@@hmnshkhrb Indeed, I'm not that old and the global population today is over twice that when I was born in the early 70s.
Humanity is not evolved enough for living in urbanized, industrialized conditions. A medieval society is the limits of humanity's evolution. If you want something more, an entirely new species is required to be engineered, such as maybe grey aliens.
The idea you can force modern Western women to have more children is absurd. You can talk about it as much as you like. It will make no difference.
Correct, the culture of those with children is different from those without children. Very little common ground.
Forcing women to raise children when men want no part of them is just delaying the inevitable… most men want nothing to do with modern western women
Correct.
That kind of woman, that's one of the reasons men avoid dating now days.
Nothing lasts forever
Question, why is a reduced birth rate on a finite planet a bad thing? Surely a period of natural reduction of human population is OK? I get the hit it will have on the economy and some cultures if other cultures continue to grow . But surely we can agree that infinite growth on a finite planet is simply not possible forever?
The fear appears to be mostly about the *amount* of reduction... and who is doing it, ex., the most prosperous nations.
Issue is
1. As stated above, the *amount* of reduction and
2. That it’s uneven and causes a spiral due to various other factors.
Unfortunately, it’s not a simple matter of finite growth for a finite planet.
Yes, we need a temporary reduction of the population and a return to a medieval society. The westerized industrialized urbanized experiment was a failure. The future is Black African feudalism monarchism, and some holdouts of Arabs, Russians, Asians, and Europeans on the edges of the new civilization.
Because the Idiocracy will continue to breed. Good luck motivating people to breed if they are not on the shit end of the bell curve.
Human mouse Utopia.
Also while in Canada (Halifax), I was waiting for a bus and the advertisement on the bus stop wall had a picture of a mother and newborn child with this caption, "The most loving thing you can give your first child is to not have another"