The One Big Reason The New Peterbilt 589 Sales Will Tank
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- The One Big Reason The New Peterbilt 589 Sales Will Tank. In this video, Dave talks about the new 589 Peterbilt model truck and how Peterbilt has changed it so much, sales may be in jeopardy!
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Hey there Driver. Thanks for dropping by to catch today's video. What are YOUR thoughts on the new Pete 589? I am NOT a fan. They've wrecked it!!!!!!
The Freightliner Cascadia is an ugly POS and Fleets still buy them
I think a big problem nowadays is that the people designing these trucks were not truck drivers themselves at one time. In my opinion, this makes a huge difference. I think PB changed what was once a nice truck into what it is today for one reason, TO SAVE MONEY. PERIOD!!!!. Quality be danmed.
Precisely; on the other hand, Kenworth is still keeping the W9 & T8 around despite the fact that they’re likely getting fined for making them.
@DMTruckSpotting Yeah, and what a shame that is. Star as well is still keeping it real. In fact that's what I run, tanker in the the Alberta oil patch.
As a tow truck driver i find the lack of tow hooks on the front to be overly optimistic.
Cost. The modern new age truckers driving in their pyjamas and flip flops will love them
I think you are absolutely right! Hated to see the W9 get reworked too! They have taken an amazing legacy truck and committed sacrilege!
The digital dash sucks the big reason is so Peterbilt can build the 589,579& 567 with the same cab & sleepers for mass production of cookie cutter trucks
You are correct. That is what I was told by a Peterbilt dealer. It was too cut costs since the 389 had its own production line
I've also heard a lot of complaints about the digital dash display freezing up
Yes, I agree Fred. A money saver for Peterbilt. They've made a big mistake in my opinion.
If it's not broken, don't fix it! It's that simple.
The old mechanical ones that are still on the road (not to mention those which have been parked for years and being resurrected) will be around for years. These new are all computerized and you'll need a loan on your mortgage for any repairs. With less owner operators on the road and often being asked to haul cheap freight and all the other issues will doom this truck.
I think they felt pressured by the government to have a more fuel efficient truck.
I really hope the W900 doesn't go the same way like the 389 just did.
I agree with you and your friends opinions. I was at the Peterbilt Invitation Only truck show in October 2023. The president of Peterbilt said, - the short answer- it’s because of the EPA and fuel economy standards set by the Government.
As someone who worked at the Denton plant for over 16 years, they don’t give a rats ass what you think or want. It’s all about efficiency of production and maximizing profit. As far as the looks, their attitude is that you will grow to love it and embrace it, and unfortunately, history is in their favor on this one.
That is what companies do best: mess up what was not broken, Sadly
I’ve been a Peterbilt fan since building the California Hauler model as a kid in the early ‘70s. The new 589 has now made me a fan of the KW900L
Owner operators want individual gauges in the dash that can be replaced individually. Also on heavy equipment. Replaceable body panels. Replaceable glass in pieces. The split window design is cheaper and stiffer. Can replace either side that is cracked. Bolt in grill. Bolt on fenders. Less molded parts.
i was working towards a 389 to replace my 359 exhd but I couldn't find one available in the configuration I wanted and I didn't want to buy used so I went with a w900l and couldn't be happier. I'm sure Peterbilt knew they would lose customers but the cost savings on the 589 manufacturing will likely make up for it. That's too bad.
The way I see it after driving Large cars since 1978, Modern Semi Trucks, Designed and Built by people who have never lived in and Driven a Truck.
At least when kenworth came out with the w990 they were smart enough to keep the w900 in production
02 379 6nz, my rig has 8axles for 105,500, don’t need nothing newer, I smile in my truck going down the road 🙂🙂🙂
The EPA is placing certain requirements for the aerodynamic efficiency and minimum mileage requirements . Then there's also most likely a financial incentive for the parts to be the same or similar along the assembly line compared to peterbilt's other models.
I think its about time Peterbilt brought the classic style truck into modern times. But im still keeping my 06 379 with the toggle switches and all analog gauges.
The 359 was the last truck Pete ever made, drove one till 2023!
My company 579....same cab as 589... nothing put problems.
Electrical. Dash sensors. . 2019.. 2020 model.
Paccar. Engine went boom at 466k.
Talking to my local Kenworth dealer 2 days ago...last W990L is 2026! 😢
Basically my thought is they took the 389 and 579 and merged them to make a truck
Dave - I am basically a Freightliner man
Classic XL & Fld 120’s
589 is pretty cool actually.
That slick looking windshield and cab roof.
It actually looks cool without a sun visor.
Flat top & Stand up sleeper
It looks cool as a gas burner pipe…
Cause the cab is wider at the sleeper gap.
Just tint those big side windows
And a tint strip for the top of the windshield
Easier to wash with the slick cab and windshield
If they built something dependable.economical and powerful they couldn't keep them in stock. Instead they build trucks for the government.
My 1st truck was a Peterbilt 379 . Nothing has topped that truck since. The new Pete might as well be another fleet truck
Some thing happened with the Western Star Constellation
The very first ones came out in 1997 look unreal then they went backwards over the years smaller air cleaners smaller fuel tanks now it looks like a Shakeliner
Cheers
Louis Kats from Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺
I am 39 years old.. I have 3 mid 90’s 379’s with cat engines. They run great. They look cool, and are easy to repair. I do not like the 589. A side from being ugly. They are not as rebuildable as the 389,379,359’s. The cabs are not rebuildable like to old trucks. You can’t reskin them. They will not hold there value.. It is a shame
Not having seen one in person, the 589 looks like exactly what I want. 3 series looks with 5 series interior.
Everybody said the same thing when the 389 came out they hated it it was ugly it will grow on people the new 589 but it won't be the looks that will deter people it'll be the $350,000 price tag Canadian to purchase it.
I've asked myself about the 579 I drive. So many small things about the truck are "Why did they make it like this?"
Not to mention the oversized windshield. Need a two mile drop visor to chop that one down. 🤢
Oh that was it? That was fast lol. It’s certainly better than the w990 but ya I agree, why fix something that’s not broke. KW did the same thing and I’m very upset over that
Don’t forget the big def tank on the side with the fake exhaust stacks on in the air
I have been driving since 1983. I don’t like much of the newer generation trucks, I drive a 1998 and my backup truck is a 1999. I am running these trucks till I retire
The reason things are changing is economy. All the fuel mileage requirements now and more stringent future mileage laws. No old body flat nose truck can ever meet today's requirements. So, to stay in business, they have to start curving body panels. No old design will stay that all have to change. They don't have a choice.
Freightliner
That was the best thing about the old school Freightliner.
All the switches were in the right places.
Never fumbling for a toggle switch - tired in the dark of night
I’m not an owner operator, never was and with the prices so high and the rates so low probably never will . But I’ve driven all kinds of trucks in my 49 years of trucking and you guys and gals will most likely laugh at me when I mention my favorite trucks. No they’re not 359, 379 or 389 Pete’s but they were great to drive. No not the 04 W900L with the 475 Cat. No not the 75 Brockway or the 70 White 9000. No not the 73 White Freightliner cabover either. My favorites would be either a Mack R-model or the F-700 . Why??? I’ll tell you; if set up with an air ride cab, suspension and seat and a 350 E-6 hooked to the Mack 12 speed going into 3:90 rears on tall 22.5’s would be the perfect set up. Don’t forget the E-6 hp was advertised at the wheels. The perfect tractor for getting into tight places; a decent ride, an economical machine and when decked out with whatever shiny stuff is out there a pretty good looking ride. And if I could find one at a good price I just might buy one.
I think it comes down to taste
I had 2 different 389s fully loaded and loved the look of them but found the cab super tight and switched to KW 880
So to me 589 is the best of both worlds combined but that's just me
My opinion is... 359, 379, 389 only offered looks and feels. It looked traditional, and felt traditional. The only difference is cab and sleeper when it really comes down to the bare bones. The marketing team needs to understand this. O/O buy the look of the cab and sleeper. It's not a big market. But I fear they lost us. The 589 will be bought, but the will be cussed. All they did is lose their foothold. Now their is no difference between International, peterbilt, etc. All plastic crap traps.
Well said 100% in agreement. They've lost us in the process. So said to see these trucks fall into the tupperware category.
Hopefully, my 389 will last me till retirement.
Well it's kinda like what Ford did with the mustang. Each model year they had a different team come up with that particular model design for the up coming year. It took quite a few designs to absolutely fail before someone with a brain and some knowledge of what the classic mustang design and what it meant to finally pull their collective heads out of their asses to get it right.
Unlike Kenworth who all they did was reinvent the international eagle with their new W9 model Peterbilt has tried to stay somewhere close to the classic design but let engineers and designers who don't have a clue about what the classics mean or stand for take a crack at it.
Hopefully they'll figure it out and go back to what worked.
But in the end it won't matter because drivers who appreciate a classic design are aging out of the business and all the newer ones have never driven anything besides a sloped hood and don't know any better.
I never have trouble seeing where my truck is parked. I just look down the row of sloped hoods and see mine standing above the rest.
What's sad is that In my 13 years on the Road (Most of which is Owner Operator) I have stood behind the Peterbilt name. Cummings Power Plants, Eaton Transmissions, and Reliable Paccar Chassis. I have relied on the dependability of the Peterbilt Name, and now, that changes. Progress does this. Innovation always gives way to risk. And Risk begats the creation of the unknown. This industry has long survived the troubles of the day on "Certainty" We are the Truckers of today because of the certainty of names like Peterbilt. Sadly, I have to admit I have converted to Detroit lately mainly due to the "Uncertainty" of the Subject matter in this video. Long Live the Idea that Like you said, "If it works - Don't F**k with it!" Keep em Real Dave. #ThatsTruckin
Although nothing beats a 379. I’d drive the 589 if it had a 18 speed manual transmission. At least it’s not as fugly as the KW 990.
Finally someone saying these are trash. Why would you take such a good looking truck and ruin it. All that plastic interior no more wooden dash. Plus the door looks like it came from a car. Why can’t they just leave one classy rig in the manufacturing lineup? And all the other trucking CZcamsrs acting like they like it.. I know they probably truly don’t. Damn brown envelopes.
Plus when those fancy digital dash starts glitching it’s gonna be a shit show man. And it’s not like I don’t like changes the problem is this change is too drastic.
The 359 to 379 to 389 was very smooth in terms of exterior looks and nice classy interior with wood grain dash with full package analog gauges. Now the 589 is like adding a Tesla in the mix (not literally) but you get what I’m trying to say.
Just my opinion though, don’t kill me for it
The 359 model was the last good truck they made. I have an eighty-seven model with a b model Cat with over three million miles and it's running strong. When i have to drive my boy's 379, i'm like a duck out of water.
Another trick is the toggle lever styled switches too.
Old pro sleeper international switches are a cure for the stupid rocker switches.
Especially for interrupting lights
Cruise Control & Jake’s
No fumbling around for switches in the dark
@ 3:15 am - hauling a single coil 45k lbs.
Ugh freight shakers rule. The steering goes out on them too. It happened to me twice. The last time it went in the ditch and landed on its top.
Last time it went in the ditch? A brand new cascadia?
Lotta, why's what ifs, and if only's at the end of the muscle car era after 1970, they just stopped making the classics that stood the test of time.
Shorter hood trucks are cool too.
Like the set back axle gold 120.
They scale better for gross weight and you don’t slide the fifth wheel up as much …
Plus they back in better
Love me a Peterbilt!
But having finally just got into my own truck, I’ve got some strong opinions…
No wide cabs.
No curved glass.
No def.
My days are numbered I know, it I’m going to enjoy what remains
People kicked a big stink about the 389 they same way they did about the 589 now. "It's ugly." "They ruined it." "I won't buy it" yet they bought the 389 all the same and here we are today lamenting the departure of the 389 like there weren't people slanderin it when it came out day one.
This is my thought Dave, but I am just a dumb old trucker. There was an interview of an old owner operator on Muthatrucker recently. I think he was right on the money when he said that TRUE O/O were done. Between the bad laws, regulations, and ever increasing fuel costs, most guys can’t make a profit anymore. So, who is going to take over the freight? The mega carriers. They won’t buy 389s. So, Peterbilt is doing what they can to sell trucks when the O/O are gone. Maybe a mega will buy 589s if it means they can get drivers after they sell their own trucks.
Let me break it down...
Fakerbuilt has created thier own version of the International 9000/9900 i Eagle and they have destroyed the class of that international by making it look like a fakerbuilt.
The International series had the classy interior with oldskool dash, it had a excellent cab.
389 and now 589 had nothing of that quality. The 389 is nothing that Peterbilt ever created... it's Paccar doing that Curbsnifferizing a real truck into what it has become.
Are these trucks primarily used for heavy haul or a sort of specialty truck?? With freight rates so low the name of the game is fuel efficiency and economy meaning aesthetics are a luxury…..
If it does the job and does it well, then it’s a good truck to me.
It's all due to the EPA and fuel economy standards
I commented on Peterbilts 589 reveal video saying they should bring back the 359 just to keep things simple.
It looks “ok” when spec’d decently, and I’m sure aftermarket will have it looking “alright” in the coming months and years…but it will forever be second rate to its 3 series forefathers. It just looks slapped together. The only good thing it will really have going for it that I can give it credit for will be the room the 5 series cab will give.
Smart trucking love your channel. I live in uk but big fan of American trucks. I think the main thing that blows the proportions of the 589 is the deep windshield and side windows, flat hood trucks look better with small windows. If peterbilt could have some how had a curved windshield but still keep the windshield and side windows small I think it would look more attractive. The old mack b61 had a curved windshield with small windows and is a very good looking truck.
the 589 is all show and it misses the mark
Guys that have bought and driven Peterbilts for 40 & 50 years are not the target market. Those guys are going be buying a casket before they buy another truck. Peterbilt is looking at the future market and they are right in doing so in order to survive as a company. The thing they missed though is replacing the steering wheel with a joystick since that’s what today’s new drivers are most familiar with.
I think it will be a huge success. The problem is that you cannot keep the same cab or truck without improvements. Why? Because of EPA or other privately held FEDs regs. Also you cannot stay in the past when you need to continue improving with EPA on your ass. Sorry. Kenworth never got rid of the W900 for a real good reason. People LOVE THAT TRUCK! The model is legendary.
The W 900 is the only classic long nose left for now so the guys who still want a old school truck can get a W 9 !!
Fleet compagnies will buy them , though.
Yeah yeah yeah doom and gloom...same story when the 379 went away and the 389 still sold as fast as you could get them. These too will sell.
Well when the 379 came out the 359 drivers said it was horrible and when the 389 came out the 379 drivers said it was horrible so...
I think it will sale. Just for the simple fact it's Peterbilt and resembles the other models. Once people get accustomed to it. But yeah I'm not a fan of them. But I don't really like any of the new model trucks personally 😂😂😂
From what I understand. They took away the vocational chassis and strictly making OTR trucks now. There goes all the trailer dumps, tri and quad axle dump and crane trucks.
Can't afford one. I'm a owner operator, hauling steel. Just doesn't pay enough.
This should keep the demand and prices up for the older units.
The Freightliner conventional had aluminum hoods in the early years.
1984 was the last year for aluminum hood ..
I think Peterbilt did a great job incorporating the wider cab into the older style. It sure looks a lot better than a W990. All of the Petes have better styling than the Kenworths though I am quite fond of the T-800 probably because that’s what I use to drive.
Grass Burner side pipe 589
Detroit 60 series
Quiet high flow Pittsburg Power muffler tucked underneath
Yep steel haulers are a little weird:)
That I can admit
Yep Dave - it will be the old school Freightliner guys that like that 589.
Oddly Enough
589 is like a cross breed of a Fld 120 and a 379 / 389
Every peterbilt. I been around has had electrical problems.
If I wanted to buy a Volvo would have brought one a long time ago
We need k 100 aroedine. The Bear would be happy
What made these trucks were the combination of the truck and engine. These long nose trucks with emission engines are not real long nose trucks. No different than a cascadia
Are they creating an aftermarket gold mine to make it look more old school?
I kind of think both the 579 and the W990 are only meant to have short production lifetimes ,it’s going to be a sneaky way of completely eliminating all long hood trucks in favor of aerodynamic curb sniffers, and I think it goes hand in hand with the eventual extinction of the owner operator.
We need a 562 Cabover like the K220. If they’re making aero trucks, at least make them interesting.
To be honest, it's all a matter of preference. I'm a Heavy Haul daycab guy and I've always liked the look of the 389's, but the cab, not so much. For a sizeable guy (6'6", 216lbs and size 14 shoe), the wider cab makes a huge difference in both roominess and comfort. That being said I'm also in the big HP 3 pedal club, but in a 567 extended daycab and it's one of the more comfortable tractors I've driven, but I'd take a 589 too, since I've been in one and found it more suited to myself than the 389 was. I may be the oddball, but even though it's not as "traditional" as the 389, I'll take the 589.
I completely understand where you are coming from however the number of owner/op drivers who are willing and able to throw gobs of cash at the lighting and other appearance effects is dropping every year. On average, take-home driver pay (not unlike any other industry/profession) had been shrinking for a long time therefore whether you are the 18-wheeler owner/op or a fleet owner, improved fuel economy/operating costs are becoming more of a consideration that the truck appearance alone. I would guess that for the increasingly growing majority of truck drivers, getting 8+ MPGs is more important than having a beautiful classic-looking truck that burns significantly more fuel. All that, I and many other people love seeing a gorgeous big rig, it is just most people can't or soon will not be able to justify the owning such a truck. A good friend of mine purchased a 2023 KW T680 after driving a 2016 Cascadia. His new truck, not without its issues, gets 15 to 20% better fuel consumption and that is just difficult to give up. Some of his coworkers run late model long nose Petes, and their fuel economy is significantly lower than the new aerodynamic T680 or similar trucks. Either, I truly enjoy your content. Cheers
I'm a fan of the 589! Love it..😊
🎉if they will run just as good as any other truck than hope it all goes good
My son is a driver. He despises the digital dash.
They did nothing but take the 579 cab sleeper and just put the hood and air cleaner on it just like you said the thing that makes it look the worst is the one piece windshield without the cross brace in the center and everything on cab and sleeper is got a round and curve look and then you have no transmission into the square long hood and never will that hood and look go with a cab sleeper in one without the gap between the two
Don't like it! They're trying to maximize profits by switching to a single standard cab. Peterbilt has abandoned the owner operator. It's gonna fail.
Fuel prices, period. End of story, not many people can make money with a 389
I can tell you with utmost certainty that we are selling these trucks so much it's insane. Now I work in a car hauler manufacturing field. Everybody is ordering these Peterbilt 589. myself I'm not a fan. I like the 389. Long nose, 48" sleeper. Iconic look to it.
If the W990, a substantially different truck from the W900, is doing relatively decently, then I think the 589 will do a bit better, as it seems to have more positive reception. I personally think Pete should’ve given the 389 some “Lonestar-esque” treatment by keeping the cab, and restyling the front end to resemble some of their early models from the 1930s, which had rounded front ends for aerodynamics. Sadly, it was just cheaper for them to save money by utilizing the same cab as the 579; the 389 would’ve been the only model using the 1.9M cab if it was kept.
I’m tired of hearing people saying, “589 looks good”. 😂 I know that much.
The old cabs were better built and engineered. Less road noise, more leg room, easier to reach dash, windows lined up......
I love your channel, thank you! I've been a Peterbilt fan for a very long time, but in my mind, the new machine reminds me of the 1980's vintage GMC General.
Yeah, they aren’t cool
I Googled pictures of it. I had to send a picture of my gages of my 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee to my brother. I said to him. Remember the good old days. I didn't like when the came out with the anteater design. They ruined the looks of real trucks then. Then. The automatic. They really ruined it then. Now EV. I had to use their technology with my 2020 F150 to drive the pickup on snow and ice. I just fixed it so I don't have to anymore. I changed the tires and the brand. The pickup handles now perfectly with normal mode and my driving skills. No, I don't like any new vehicles in 2021 and forward. I am old school. I like to be able to work on it and fix it myself.
To me it's still a good looking truck. Probably the better option out there as far as looks go.