F35 pilot interview; Why did F35 lose to F16?
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- čas přidán 18. 09. 2015
- Interview of first female F35 pilot, Lt. Col. Christine Mao at Andrews Air Force Base Joint Air show 2015. Her comments on the F16 dog fight with F35 and what is significant of the test (5:24). General Michael Gilmore, head of Joint Program Office (JPO), has not seen their plane until now!
Christine, 33rd Fighter Wing Operations Group deputy commander - former F-15E pilot, had been flying F35 since May. She had completed 14 virtual training missions in a flight simulator before taking to the skies from Florida's Elgin Air Force Base and joining the ranks of 87 other F-35 pilots who've trained there. #f35 #stealth #lightning #fighter
II'm active duty navy, and I work on F/a-18s C/D. The reason why the f-35 lost is because the fly by wire system was too sensitive. Once the system was tuned, it won on most its engagements. The f-35 is set to be the best thing flying for a long time.
That's fine, because the cool thing about facts is that they can't be argued with.
Those LM Shills, man!
What "Dayton M" is saying is quite correct (though the FLCS was the opposite of that, it was not sensitive enough (limited AOA input/delayed it/etc)), the F-35 is doing well in air to air now.
That is easily sourceable online, from people who work with these things every single day.
Guess they're all liars, eh?
***** It's doing well against USAF F-16s.
And no, not Canadian nor Jewish.
I do deal with Canadians a lot, though....So about that, eh? :)
Well, it's great to see the taxpayers will be getting their money's worth. more important , however , is knowing the grunts on the ground , on the sea, and in the air will be getting the effective support they need, when they need it. I loved the A 10, the Viper, and the harrier ( always hated the hornet/super hornet, can't explain why....just always seemed slow, ugly, and not as good as a Viper at a2a, or as good as anything else at a2g. Plus, did I mention it's just. plain. ugly.? slower, shorter range , lower ceiling ,.....just seems a waste. But if it's doing the job effectively , so be it. With 11 hard points on the super Hornet, at least it can haul a load well.
Anyone who thinks the F35 is bad should go watch a video here on youtube called "f16 sale of the century." It is a very old very old video that offers criticism of the very existence of the f16 and the way that it was "sold" to our NATO allies. Fast forward thirty years later and the f16 is one of the most successful aircraft in military history!
+Joe Schmoe History shows it is best to focus on the dogfight first. And then add air to ground later.
***** I written in OTHER thread on CZcams that the sensors on the new stealth fighters is their advatage and to reduce ANY other drawback the air campaign will start at night with stealth fighters and their superior information gathering sensor and superior presentation to the pilot.
But this is all well when YOU are the attacker and write the script in which order things happen.
If swarmed by huge numbers of 4+ gen aircraft attacking at daytime at time and place of their choosing it maybe hard to find enough F22 and F35 to stop the horde. Just saying.
I have also written that these new capabilities of the 5th gen fighters can not be dismissed. And even if F35 is crap and F22 is the only one that delivered bang for the buck and is a truly great aircraft.
In practice, F35 can turn out to be a real killer even though it sucks in many ways.
The worst is the price is so high not enough can be purchased. The military and politicians are gambling with our childrens future.
+Joe Schmoe Remember when the theory boys removed the guns from Fighters, claiming that the velocities involved were just too great for air to air engagements? It's not what you have, it's how you employ it,Tactics.
+spcemn And of course he would be. Sprey is the last person I would trust for an unbiased criticism of newer gen aircraft.
except that the f16 was designed as a fighter and not a three in one lucky dip. you can't have a fighter,a bomber and a ground support aircraft in one. it cannot work because the aerodynamic requirements and weapons payload stipulations are different for each class of plane.
F-35 is not meant to dogfight..5th generation is for stealth and stand-off.
Failed project as mentioned by US. A true 5th generation fighter has all abilities mastered: speed, maneuverability, rate of climb, stealth, sensors, and ground attack capabilities. F35 only has stealth and sensors. That's it.
@@deltacharlieromeo8252 and it dominated the red flag with 20-1
@@deltacharlieromeo8252 First off, the Airforce Chief of staff said that they needed a new aircraft to replace the F-16 and he also said that he wanted to moderate the use of the F-35 to maintain a high level of readiness and to extend the F-35s life cycle to 2050+, he never said the F-35 failed, or that they didn't want it anymore.
If you care to look at the original JSF program, they only ever wanted to replace half their F-16s with the JSF, which is exactly what they're doing. They're not getting rid of the F-35 and they're not buying less of them. The F-16 does not integrate well with modern sensor fusion because its avionics don't talk to each other, and that's why it needs to be replaced (with something cheap).
That's what all of this is about, it's the reason why the Airforce is replacing F-15c's with the F-15EX and why the navy is upgrading all their Super Hornets to Block III, so that they can contribute as nodes on a battlefield network.
also no, a "true" fifth-gen fighter has nothing to do with "all abilities mastered" and "ground attack capability" are irrelevant. The F-22 is a fifth-gen fighter with virtually no ground attack capabilities. It's a purebred designed for air superiority.
The real Criteria are Stealth, Supercruise, and highly integrated sensors and avionics. All of which the F-35 has, yes it CAN Supercruise at mach 1.2 for about 150+ miles without the afterburner.
The F-35 has more than "Stealth and Sensors", it also has the best engine in the world today, the F-135. It has incredible transonic acceleration and aside from that, the F-35 has the ability to pull really high AoA, on par with the hornet. That kind of nose authority coupled with the AiM-9x and the Helmet Mounted display it's capable of firing very off-bore, making it incredibly deadly in BFM/Dogfight.
Whenever I hear people talk about how the F-35 is bad I can't help but think that person doesn't know a damn thing about Military Aircraft.
You know that 4+ and 4++ gen fighters have stand-off capability and that AESA radars can detect F-35 now huh ?
Give me a Break
it was not a dogfight, it was AoA control law testing.
In every simulated engagement, f35s COMPLETELY DOMINATED f16s. The sensor suite that the f35 has not only made them more lethal, but the system shared it with all friendly forces, enabling squads of friendly f16s and naval missiles to have targetting info from the f35 stealthily watching and fully indexing the battlespace. All you have to do is read what pilots have to say about it and they can hardly describe how much better it is from an information and electronic warfare side. It is truly next generation, and overall, is cheaper than keeping what we have now.
the main criticism ive seen is cost, yet the amount that we would spend maintaining what we have now is higher than going with the f35. In fact, most anti-f35 stories are either deception campaigns or anti US propaganda. Fact is this thing is unmatched and can go places where advanced missile systems will destroy f15s/f16s, etc.
+Quantikk Well said. The reason the F-35 has taken so long is not the airframe and engines, which are fine. It's the advanced avionics. The development of the F-35 has actually taken on the burden of generating a lot of technologies that will be used in 6th gen fighters that the US will start developing in 2018. Creating the millions of lines of code, understanding how to integrate AESA radars, stealthy datalinks, DAS etc is really hard. It's kind-of irritating how so many morons online think that criticising the F-35 makes them clever. In fact, bagging this plane is simply the received wisdom common among people who obviously haven't bothered to research the issue too deeply
Finally someone that knows what's going on. Instead of all those haters.
I didn't know that Rachel Maddow was also a pilot!
"Lost" is past tense. "Did lose" is past participle. "Did lost" isn't a valid term in American English.
+Wes Downer And the answer is obvious: this isn't an air superiority fighter, it's a multi-role jet.
Thanks for coming over Captain Ronn, hope you enjoyed the conversation. ;
UPDATE: The F-35 was recently put through it paces during many operation red flag sorties tallying up a 15:1 kill ratio against legacy fighters. It's not only the pure performance of the aircraft that gives it a significant edge but rather it's integration and implementation of data fusion and advanced computing. I for one think it's an incredible aircraft worthy of replacing the also great F-16/F-18/Harrier.
Is the F-16 a better dog fighter than the F-35?
It sure is.
But that is because the F-16 is the West's premier light fighter which happens to have a secondary attack role.
The F-35 is an attack aircraft with a secondary fighter role.
Apples vs. Oranges comparisons are always flawed.
Monster LMA I have, and I find them confused and narrowly focused.
The F-35 is a paradigm shift in tactical aircraft.
Its not going to be comparable to the last generation of aircraft for the simple reason it can operate in environments where the previous generation of aircraft can't.
It also illogical to compare the F-35 to aircraft the Russian's either did not produce in significant numbers, or will never produce.
I'm old enough to remember when the F-15 and F-16 were rolled out.
The F-4 community didn't have a nice word to say about either aircraft. 40 years later, the same arguments get dusted off and re-used.
+Waltham1892 Don't get that myself. The F-35 was not intended primarily for air to air. It's capable of it, it can more than hold it's own against anything it will probably ever face, but it's not focused there. That's what the F-22 is for.
I'd wager that as it matures it will trounce an F-16 too, but the F-16 being better than it at dogfighting at this point isn't the problem people make it out to be. Now if the F-22 lost out to the F-16, THAT would be a more appropriate comparison and cause for concern. But even so, not this early. These are two very new aircraft still cutting their teeth. The F-16 is decades old, tried and tested, kinks worked out.
Adam Franks The point of comparison for the F-22 isn't the F-16, but the F-15.
The F-16 is a light fighter/attack aircraft while the F-22 and F-15 are both medium fighter/air superiority aircraft.
The niche filled by the F-16, to a certain extent, is not going to be filled by either the F-22 or F-35.
The F-35 is to expensive and to valuable to waste tank plinking or dropping CBU'S on infantry formations.
This is why I fully support the Air Force's decision to hold onto the A-10's and even to do a modest upgrade on them.
I do agree with what you've said about the F-16 being a well matured platform.
In the fullness of time I think the F-16, even more than the F-15, will be seen as a major milestone in tactical aircraft development.
+Waltham1892 Great ! Now America can start more wars for many years to come thus drawing out its own inevitable financial collapse. Bunch o warmongering muppets
Steve walletofmoths Read www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-06-16/companies-to-seek-60-trillion-in-new-debt-as-asia-s-needs-grow
I see a real plane in the background!
Hell yes.... Warthog!
Lets see, the F-35 can pull off an AOA close to 110 deg, while the F-16 can't get anywhere near that. The F-35 was a ton of thrust and very little parasitic drag. The F-35 already can out accelerate an F-16C(clean meaning no weapons, fuel tanks, and jamming and targeting pods) meaning that the air frame has little drag. It can pull 9g turns. People complain about the small wings and supposed high wing loading. They ignore that the F-16 has a higher wing loading than the F-4. They also ignore that Lockheed perfected lifting body technology in 60s which explains why the F-15 was able to fly on one wing, try doing that in an Flanker. The F-35 seems to be a stealth F-16 with greater internal range, 360 deg visibility, stealth, low speed handling of an F/A-18, so what is the freaking issue again?
Thank You 😊 For Your Service to Our Country Lt. Col. Christine Mau 🛩🛩👍
The F-35 would never be dog fighting...the F-16 would just explode and never see where it came from.
Shhh, let the haters hate...
Agreed.
It does have a gun just in case
Only the A variant (conventional take off and landing variant for the Air Force) does and they chose a 25mm cannon specifically for increased effectiveness on ground targets.
Randomly clicked ahead into video... "I like the thrrrust of the motor" LOLOL
In the real world the F-16 never even sees the F-35.
Seems she did a great job upfront and honest from what I could see, Nice work Christine
when i heard her say its cheaper than the others i started to choke
between 180 & 250Md$ for the production price for the 200 delivered so far
The whole program has put the United States back over a trillion dollars
Justin Woodall it is the most expensive in history(if you look at the planed numbers) ... and its replacing the f15/16...that alone means it culd be either a fail or an average plane becouse it cant dogfight like an f16 and it cant carry the payload of the f15
as for stealth... if they know where to look at ... they will shoot you down (just like in yugoslavia when they shoot down the f117)
every plane so far that was expensive was built in limited numbers
(B-2 was way more expensive but only 20 were built)
Justin Woodall interceptors from the 80's were in the 20 millions price range (inflation adjusted), but their modern variant cost around 60 millions. That's for the F-16C and Mirage-2000
Russian planes are usually cheaper but the GDP per capita is much lower so you can't exactly compare
Justin Woodall the official US procurement cost for F-35 is $188.5 millions, a massive increase conform to the XVIth Augustine law
nation.time.com/2013/06/06/different-planes-common-problems/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine%27s_laws
F35 it slices, it dices, it purees, it makes, dips, chips, it fries, dyes, it makes pies, it roasts, toasts, and makes loafs. It does it all folks.
+mutalisk888 And the F-35 is just as likely to deliver on all those promises as the late-night commercials you're parodying.
+mutalisk888 love it! That's what this felt like. Obviously she's there to sell the fighter to the public. Great comment, it made me chuckle :)
No, it doesn't do anything capably because it hasn't had an operational history yet. We simply don't know. What we DO know, based on operational history of various planes like the A-10, the F-16, and even older ones like the F-5, is that low-cost aircraft are almost as capable as the budget busters, and leave plenty of money left over to just buy and support enough additional resources to more than make up for minor shortcomings.
Of course "only retards" are apparently capable of following basic cost-effectiveness analysis.
But can it climb? god damn it
+\m/ AngelofDeath \m/ LMAO you know nothing of aviation history the f-14 tomcat was one of the fastest climbing aircraft in the world it originally had a out 40.000 pounds of thrust until upgraded to the g.e engine and was much larger and weighed quite a bit more then the f-35 and the pilot here said that this plane has 40,000 pounds of thrust. Simple horse power to weight ratio here. Of course it can climb.
While I was in the Air Force I was attached to an F-16 squadron. Every year our guys went up against many different types of aircraft to include the F-35. They couldn't see them on radar obviously, but once the F-35s were spotted the F-16 can and did beat them. The F-35 can't turn like the F-16 and once our pilots got the F-35s into a turning game it was game over. They could not however beat the F-22.
Cheaper? it cost a trillion dollars so far and they can't even fly it at night, in bad weather or go supersonic with it yet and the electronics crash every third flight. It's the most expensive weapons system in human history and it isn't even finished
To be fair it is scheduled to be US military top fighter purchases, replacing nearly all current fighter(F-15,F-16,F-18,AV-8) and would serve as NATO and US ally's next generation stealth fighter. That much multirole is going to cost your money.
the price was for manufacturing researching building and maintaining 250 of them and refueling so its a pretty good price and the " they can't even fly it at night, in bad weather" is a myth.
How much did it cost to create the F18, F16 and Harrier? Don't forget to change the numbers for inflation.
Love the Security Forces member photo bombing - keeping a close eye!
Mao? Who's her wingman, Joe Stalin?
"A little too quick to judge." Sweetie, they started this program before you knew what a plane was. It's not too quick.
she is one of the best pilots..
I used to guard the M1 like this when they first came to Germany.
They'd show them but no one was allowed any closer than the taped barrier.
i love how she talks about the joke of it being the cheap version of the f-22. it is hilarious when it costs more then an f-22 and cant even fulfill its role. the costs have skyrocketed and the entire purpose of the plane was to reduce costs.
***** an f-18 is a functioning plane. the f-35 and its variants isnt. it will cost more then any other plane in the history of planes if it stays on track which knowing how well the military does with its budgeting will most likely keep getting extended. to try and claim its cheaper then an f-18 is laughable when the f-35 is 50% more then an f-18 and the numbers are out there for anyone to find. to say it fulfills its role is just a blatant lie when the planes cant even pass the basic things it needs to be deployed in combat.. the close air support version was found to have excessive yaw when firing its gau-22 recently. this is just one of a plethora of issues popping up monthly.
***** so do u want to talk about its composite defects they are finding in the planes? the yaw problems? those are new btw not years old. the buffeting isnt going away. countries keep dropping orders which does the opposite of reducing costs. the only cost reduction theyve made is due to having to scale back production not because they found a way to lower production costs per unit. the avionics package still isnt done. your combat ready claim is only the bare minimum. its initial combat ready systems, not the plane as a whole. i could care less if the f-35 took out a bunch of f-15's let it try and take out another stealth plane so u have parity. my money is on the f-22 taking it out. when its put in the defender role it loses to planes like the f-16 like this video states and if you read articles from the pilots testing it from various countries they will also back this up.
www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=how+much+does+it+cost+to+build+an+F22
www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#safe=off&q=how+much+does+it+cost+to+build+an+F35
now I know this is just a google search, but I have no reason to believe that this information is incorrect. This sort of stuff should be a matter of public record, and I don't care enough to find official data. The F35 is blatantly far more expensive.
And the US , and other countries, bought it all, hook line and sinker, and now the US has the orange goblin as president, and the US has spent a trillion dollars and it still is not combat ready! It's pretty obvious, that it's real mission has been accomplished! And the investors and the company will now be paying less taxes! Let's see, the orange goblin looses almost a trillion dollars and then does not pay taxes for the next eighteen years! Get the picture!
Gonzo
What else do you expect, when costumers start paying, when the product still has to be developed?
The manufacturer always can pretend there are problems and needs more money to solve them.
Nobody would contribute in the development of a car without participating in the development itself.
But countries paid a lot of money, while there was nothing more than the idea of developing that piece of crap.
A lot of money ended up on Swiss bank accounts.
Now we have a plane which looks good on a show, and but never will fly real missions
I think although expensive, the F-35 will turn out to be one of the greatest fighters ever built.
+Pablo Jay
The F35 isn't a Fighter. It should really be called the B35 or the SR35. The F15 is a Fighter. The Typhoon is a Fighter (but also an exceptional GR / CAS platform now). However I agree that once its role is defined and refined it will be a great aircraft and certainly (for us in the UK) a great Harrier replacement. We don't need another 'Fighter' we have one of the best already ...
I think its stealth characteristics make it a fighter, it will be a revelation I am certain of that, whatever those who arent in the know say about its flight envelope I think it will handle itself quite well.
What people tend to forget as well, is that in a clean config the F-35 will be able to go quickly without the encumbrance of external stores ie no drag which isnt the case for legacy jets, its a HUGE advantage.
An F-15 with external stores is limited to Mach 1.4 typically and its capable of over Mach 2 clean, and the F-35 will carry its weapons internally.1chish
Kevin Lee
There arent many bombers that can dogfight like an F-16, I am not too worried.
+Pablo Jay no designated bomber can dogfight.Do you see a b52 or tu 160 dogfighting? Do you ever see a tu 22 dogfighting?
Dont be an asshat.Tyron Smith
Ive always loved the F-4 Phantom...different generation aircraft of course, but my God when you hit the afterburners it felt like the world was coming to an end..
The demand for agility, as well as stealth and supersonic cruise, left the F-22 with big tails, heavy thrust-vectoring nozzles and disappointing range. In 1995, optimistic numbers made it look as if the constraints of a short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing JSF would not cause difficulties for the other two versions, but they did.
she does a great job at defending and explaining the F35
it is catering too much and the airframe has to comprise on a lot of things payloads and the big issue is the maneuverabillity compared to SU37 and a lot of Russian fighters
thanks to Trump getting elected we won't get to find out ....be thankfull
maneuverabillity is not that importent because the f35 has a much more advanced Rader and stealth which allows it to see the su30 before the su30 sees it, it also lets him launch a BVR missile to intercept the su30, the only time the su30 will know about the f35 is when its going down.
The su30 is better at dogfighting then the f35, so if it manages to get within a close distance to the f35 without being destroyed it has the advantage. But this scenario in unlikely because of the advanced Rader and stealth of the f35 and the lack of stealth on the su30.
Eli how many times u repeat the same crap on thread after thread lol?
momoszabong carp?
Why is that?
"Why did F35 lost to F16? How bizarre, didn't you mean to ask, "Why did a F-35 lose to a F-16?" ?
That F-35, due to it being a test aircraft, had also not had the software installed that is required to use the sensors and mission systems that would be used in combat!! Additionally, ‘AF-2’ does not feature the radar-absorbent material coating that operational aircraft have.... So articles & videos made by dillusional haters and morons making the claim that the F-16 is superior cite tests performed earlier in the year to assess the flying qualities of the F-35 during within visual range combat and the F-16 involved was used as a visual reference to maneuver against!! And before you morons whine again, lemme tell y'all that the aim of the test was to demonstrate the ability of the F-35 to fly to the edge of its restricted test limits without exceeding them.... The test scenario was OBVIOUSLY successful as it allowed the aircraft be cleared for greater agility in future tests!!
@@vi10k46 it was still shot down over Syria with an S200 missle
dose anyone know what happened to Darkleks channel. He just dropped off with out any reason
Feast your eyes on the most expensive military program ever conceived.
The title is a question mark. She answered well.
+winkedatu Yup! Jeez if people stop being lazy and had read the ACTUAL PILOT REPORT and tried to comprehend it (instead of reading David Axe's take on it), it could have spared the guy asking the pilot that inane question.
+DigitalMedia JamesT Or you get some video of the pilot's take on the plane, to reach the part of the audience that doesn't read pilot reports.
Don Lee Yeah,,,,I was being partially facetious.
+winkedatu She answered nothing! 'A single test-point - can't draw conclusions' - Yeah, so it's F16=1, F35=0 - stay tuned for the next round!
+rabbitcancer She did answer it. Told you what they were testing. Control laws! She left up to you to go find out and learn what she is talking about instead of having ignorant self proclaimed, wannabe expert Journalist like David Axe tell you what happened. no intelligent person draws conclusions off of what any one person says. They get off their lazy asses, do the research, get educated and learn to think for themselves.
Are we wearing head gear or not? Pick one.
Is this the one with vectored thrust to enable it to change direction and speed quickly... even hover?
This is the one that change its vector with every Trump's twitter:)
KutWrite the F-35B does that (there are 3 variants, F35A, F35B (STOVL), and F35C (For aircraft carriers)).
The F-35 is a jack of all trades and a master of none. Single engine with no redundancy. I would be terrified to pilot such a dangerous aircraft over an ocean or hostile territory.
F16 also has only one engine but nobody is complaing about that...
0:35 hahah, he has no idea what she said
The Greeks in red flag beat the f35 with a f16.
You had to give a 6 minute response when all you needed to say was the F35 isn’t a fighter like the F16
At the point this test was performed, the software in the F-35 placed maneuvering and G constraints on the F-35 that have since been lifted. Today, the F-35 is operating at up to 9 G loading, same as the F-16.
No
@@blu3_enjoy Yes. Truth. Sorry to explode your fantasy.
What do you expect her to say?
F-35 lost to f-16 because its shit?
Wait till they load up software verison 3.1 this thing will rock...
It wasn't even a real dogfight that's just from the media it was something else but I can't remember they where doinf
@@Seth-pj1po Not true. the F16 did buttfuck the F35 in a dogfight.
It's funny how people deny that facts that it was a testing Process for the f-35 yet they think it lost IT WAS A TEST FOLKS!
Yes and it lost the test hehe, so thats a failure atleast not a success lol
She is awesome, female pilots rock. My buddies cousin is a female marine pilot flying the AH-64 Apache somewhere in the middle east right now.
Does it come with XM or Sirrius ?
reminds me of the m16 during the vietnam war when it first move out on sale.. then shit happened
Yes, and the M16 was a fine weapon that was handled poorly by the Pentagon. Just like the F-35.
this plane is my favorite.
Why?
When you need a PR person to defend and justify your cutting edge fighter you know you are in trouble.
I'm still confused why so many people hate this beautiful plane. It has almost everything a 21st century aircraft needs, especially the most advanced avionics, detection, jamming and stealth capabilities ever put on a plane. Regarding the dogfight-gate, this is mainly a non issue, because the plane was not designed to dogfight. It'll kill anything in the air before giving any chance to the opponent to dogfight. Futhermore, it's completly unfair to speak about manoeuvering capability of the F-35 right now, with current Block 2b software limiting the plane to 4G turns. The final software will allow for 9G+ turns, just like an F-16.
Weapons Tester Cites Further F-35 Challenges
aviationweek.com/defense/weapons-tester-cites-further-f-35-challenges
At the top of DOT&E’s list of concerns is the Air Force F-35A’s 25mm Gatling gun, which will be the jet’s primary means of delivering close-air support to soldiers on the battlefield. Most recently, May testing revealed the small door that opens when the gun is fired induces yaw, or sideslip, resulting in aiming errors
AIM-9X, which revealed “load exceedances,” or excess stress, on the Navy F-35C variant’s wing structure during landings and certain maneuvers. This will either limit the F-35C’s ability to carry AIM-9X or require a redesign and testing of the supporting wing structure, DOT&E says.
i think this wom lesbian ! 😒
She has kids,'she said it in the video.
What would that matter? She's a pilot talking about planes, not cutting a dating ad.
this entire plane is a hot mess. cant turn, massive buffeting at just moderate angles of attack, huge heat signature, loses its stealth ability when fitted for its role, composite defects, etc etc. the engine is fantastic though, too bad its sitting inside a lame duck.
@Marie Schone Grow up, who gives a care about her private life you low breed. We're interested in what she has to say about the aircraft.
Can anyone explain why fighters don't have missiles capable of launching backwards off a wing instead of forward? That'd keep dogfighting interesting and fair
Because if you are in a stealth aircraft and you get in a situation where the enemy is behind you.. you're fucked Anyways. Why bother with a totally useless missle design at that point?
Because, aerodynamics. If you launched a missile toward the rear, at the moment of launch it would be traveling tail first in reference to the air. It would be difficult to control. The AIM-9X can be launched forward, conventionally, and then immediately pull a 20+G turn to change direction to the rear and zap a bad guy behind the launching aircraft. Look up videos on the AIM-9X, they're pretty trippy.
see AIM-9X sidewinder "off boresight" capability.
Mishn0 then why not launch it while it faces the rear?
Because it then immediately tumbles to point forwards, and might well break up. Think of throwing a dart tail first.
Impressive woman! Impressive plane. I laugh at all these "experts" who haven't been anywhere near these planes.
The F-35 won a combat competition in Denmark beating out the EF-2000 and the Super Hornet.
Er... no it didn't. What exactly is an "EF2000" anyhow ? I think you are reading the wrong mid 90's Flight Magazine
- it has undergone significant upgrades in all areas. Combat Proven.
the fact you don't eve know what the EF-2000 just proves you have no idea what your talking about..... Then again the fact you don't know anything about the EF-2000 or the combat competition in Denmark just means your information on the matter is severely outdated
here's some light reading for you
breakingdefense.com/2016/05/f-35-wins-denmark-competition-trounces-super-hornet-eurofighter/
"why did the f35 LOST to f16.... did you mean LOSE?
English is probably not this person's first language.
true.... damn computer translators.....
should be titled "Locheed-Martin Exposed"
Why did Fail 35 Slowpoke lost to F16?
Easy : CAUSE FAIL 35 SLOWPOKE IS A SQUARE JUNK , WITH NOTHING COMMON TO AERODYNAMICS
(NOT EVEN CLOSE) TO F16 AND OTHER FIGHTER JETS.
THATS Y !
Lol u ate the most hilarious troll around
Spikef22 OLO !
Truth hurts ehh illiterate cretin ?
Greek men are all homosexuals! Even Greek women look like men! bwahahahahaha...
It all depends on the combat scenario: close in, and the F-35 advantages are lost. Long distance, the F-16 loses.
plse!thats a piece of shit!!you know the f16 beat that!
+Fredrick Mechanical 1970 vs 2015 shouldnt even be close wether it was "limiting the planes performance"!!!eat the bullshitt they're feeding you!they also said its not meant to dog fight to!
Image the Rafale loosing against Mirage-2000 while entering operational status. A few generals would have been fired
But in the US, just a pinch of PR and that's fine.
Awesome plane & awesome pilot otherwise
"Why did the F16 'lost' to F35?" and it shows 38k views. When I seen the word "lost" go where lose should go it was an automatic give away. Figure out the rest on your own
Very good answer from Lt. Col. Mao, she did very well very natural in the answers. Hope the plan performs as expected when the time comes, it reminds me a lot and may be because of the VTOL engine similar to the Yak - 38 not be confused there are also multiple differentiations' between both and the electronics in the F35 makes a lot of difference.
I'll take a Super Hornet anyday over this 21st century version of the F-105. It's a lead sled.
And you'll lose every time
A very uninformed and out of date comment. The F-35 with current software loaded (as of the end of 2021) is comparable in agility to the F-16. And maybe in some ways better. Don't conflate developmental aircraft with the fully operational, mission ready versions.
Lockheed Martin has had many great Programs before/during and after my time there, unfortunately the F-35 Program isn't one of them..for many reasons. Every program has it's share of issues to overcome or fix..the F-35 airframe has been asked to do too much by too many services. Compromise was/is inevitable...over time with enough money many of these compromises will be addressed, but it won't be easy nor cheap.
The F-35 Program is on track to become the single most expensive ($1-1.5 Trillion) weapons system in the history of defense spending. Far exceeding the F-22 Program . Which is pretty sad considering the F-35 was born out of the old DARPA CALF program. CALF = Common Affordable Lightweight Fighter..which later morphed into JAST and later JSF. Now that the Australian Navy and as of yesterday Canada has cancelled all F-35 orders..the per unit cost will unfortunately continue to increase. One of the missions the F-35 is supposed to take over is the the CAS mission, that is now handled by the A-10. To anybody that knows anything at all about the CAS mission this is just a ridiculous comparison in every aspect of the CAS mission. Here watch this video ("The Jet that ate the Pentagon") maybe then you'll get a better idea as to the many problems with the F-35 Program. As they say reality bites...
czcams.com/video/KTF_a1DuIyE/video.html
I'm coming from the future and boy were you wrong.
From the future...but clearly not the same timeline.
An eastern European conflict is very good for sales, too bad it doesn't solve any of a very long list of problems with the F-35 program. Here's just ONE of those problems. "No Engine, No Fly: Ongoing Propulsion Program Problems Are Grounding F-35s Lack of spare parts and engines, an under-investment depot-level infrastructure, and much more, have put the F135 engine program under fire." - Article Date: July 22, 2022...You don't have to work for PW or live near Hartford CT/USA to know what's going on...and this is only in propulsion. I have no doubt one day most problems will be solved...but that day is not anytime soon.
Designed to hide, be afraid, be very afraid. After 15 years still in test. One engine, so vulnerable to birds. Sensor fusion, which means you don't aviate. You don't really fly it, you are just along for the ride. It was a single test point. Sounds like a bullet.
The F-4 Phantom II was heralded on its long-range air intercept capability, but look how than turned out when the ROE negated that advantage, and it had to face more nimble opppnents such as the Mig-21 - ant (originally) without a gun, too.
the navy f-4 didn't get a gun but instead trained their pilots and crews to effectively use the missiles raising the kill ratio from 2:1 to 13:1 compared to the f-4 II with the gun Thus TOP GUN was made and the other branches followed suit guns are the last resort which the f-35 also have
a real plane in the background there... the A-10c
so the f35 is not a "real plane"?
no, A10C is so beautiful, more than F-35
French Army Regiment the A-10C is entirely irrelevant in a contested airspace. The F-35 is the only viable method we have to eliminate air defenses, as well as opposition aircraft, both of which are prerequisites to the A-10 even getting within range of its target alive.
F-35 Dominates At Red Flag With 15:1 Kill Rate
She is vindicated!
aviationweek.com/defense/f-35-dominates-red-flag-151-kill-rate
Vindicated? Not quite yet, Grasshopper. Simulated combat missions are one thing. Real world combat is quite another. Remember that.
I wonder how often do the pilots actuelly use the vertical takeoff and landing application of the plane.
+8bit chess It depends on where they are taking off from (and im pretty sure this one can't) If they are on, lets say, a US super carrier, then that is probably the only way they take off. But, a runway is definitely a safer way to get a multi-billion dollar jet into the sky.
Gabriel M. it's not multi billion btw. they cost about 100m a piece
+8bit chess They almost never use the Vertical takeoff, as it would require empty weapons bays, but they will probably us the Vertical landing fairly often. To be correct, it is the F-35 STOVL not VTOL.
+Gabriel M. (Gehb) Only the Marine's use the VTOL. The NAVY launches their aircraft the same way as always did since they started building real carriers.
Question: What is the need for a highly unstable, very maneuverable F-35 when air to air missiles such as the Aim 9x have spherical envelopes? Read where the Air Force version of the F -35 only carries 180 rounds, and the other Services require an external gun pod. Also read that the F 35 can maintain Mach 1.2 for 150 miles,without operating wet. So limited supercriuse will allow insertion advantages for air to air engagements?
50 thousand pounds of thrust?? I neeeeed that!!! ;-)
40,000ibf not 50,000ibf.
Why F35 lost to F16?
+winkedatu yup. its stealthy... bout it. underpowered, and doesnt carry as much, and limited range.
pilots are obselete. Pilot is the biggest limiting factor. They knew that in the 60's with drones then.
+00Billy wow what she said wen't in one ear out the other didn't it! Idiot....
Andrew Bastian wen't ? and im the idiot. okay lol
So no facts to mention? Canada is not served by buying the F-35.
A program that uses chinese spare parts is a joke program.
Just like the 787 dreamliner in commercial aviation. (see Broken Dreams doc)
Fact is they know that humans are the limiting factor in performance. Drones will be the future. no pilot training needed and no longterm cost for humans..ie pension etc.
A robot army/navy/airforce with a limited risk factor.
here's some info on all the issues
www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-problems-with-the-f-35-that-the-pentagon-found-in-a-2014-report-2015-3
at 55 million each the F-18e Super hornet would be perfect. We already have cf-18's.
+00Billy you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The F-35 is 9g capable, its just as maneuverable as the F-16 also with a high angle of attack like the F-18. Its F-135 engine is a beast its the most powerful engine Pratt & Whitney ever made. As far as the dogfight, that has already been answered but people keep bringing it up.
+Kareem M Agree with you. They don't trust the company that built the SR-71 and the F-117 before and after the moon landing.....
Alot of media training behind those answers!
why does she say that the F-15 is a two seat aircraft, thats only the F15E
She speaks like a typical democrat senator.
The F-16 and F-18 both had a rough start too in there day.
0:17 - Something just fell off the plane! lol!
🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣
1:23 At this point I'm just struck by this soldier's shoe size...
this plane holds 150 rounds of 20mm and it's supposed to replace the a10...
This woman will make RT (Russia Today) eat its words when they see the F-35 in combat for the first time.
Deacon Blues Please take that tin foil hat off.
Deacon Blues Watching a couple of documentaries on YT does not make you an expert.
and you are going to drop your jaw when u know the price of the F35
+Василије good point you Russian wolf you...but if Hillary is Hitler, who is Putin? Putin is a total autocrat, he's embedded in that presidency like a tik.
***** Sorry the name- well Hillary isnt Hitler either.Putins a bad bad boy.
What does it really do? Why build stealth airplanes when we could be building stealth missiles? What is the point of the airplane in a future war? Presumably a stealth missile could fly undetected more easily given the same treatments. That would make it expensive for a missile, but surely worth it to defend the nation? Slow missile? How about a slow stealth missile that looks like a bird flying? Then you could launch them in formation, they mimic birds migrating, then they drop out of the sky directly over their targets and go boom. These are the different ways to kill. Perhaps the plane represents a diversion of sorts? An attempt to sell the idea that we still think in the old way when we now think in a new way? Maybe it is that. Maybe it does something special, who knows. But imagine a formation of slow stealthy missiles flying like birds in a migratory pattern? They fly and fly for days maybe until they drop out of the sky suddenly. Nobody would know where they came from. What can you do against that? Not a damn thing. Now imagine all the birds are dead. Now tiny robots float on the wind, little tiny things, and they look like moths, but it is a moth with a cyanide needle, and it lands on a man and kills him. Now imagine all the bugs are dead. Now it is DNA targeted bacteria. Bacteria infect millions and can be programmed with radio signals to kill certain people with specific DNA markers. Allowing governments to simply press a button and end your life instantly.
Modulo m The idea with the birds 😂😂😂😂
Two reasons:
1: Cost. Missiles are far more expensive than bomb+fuel combo.
2: Loitering. A missile has a pre-determined target that must be marked by others, it is then fired and after an amount of time it reaches the target and strikes. This makes missiles poorly suited to attacking moving targets or intervening in situations that are rapidly changing. An aircraft is much more flexible, it can find and track targets on its own for an extended period of time, and can react at the opportune moment. When the Allies had air superiority in the last months of WWII, fighters would go out hunting along roads, rivers and train tracks, striking any military target they could find and limiting the enemy's ability to maneuver. Those old fighters did that job better than even the most advanced missiles of today could do, even without considering cost. Also, in urban areas there is often a limited and unpredictable time window during which a target can be engaged without endangering nearby civilians, an aircraft with weapons ready can react within that time frame while a missile more often cannot.
Why do we still have tanks? I mean they're big and slow, an attack helicopter could easily destroy it.
Why don't we throw and ditch away all of our tank and buy some super expensive shit with the complete different role in modern day combat?
Nothing beats a catapult and a cow
Why even need stealth, just put two commandos per horse suit and trot right into the Kremlin lol
I live on Eglin afb and they test these things all day every day.
when she was asked what impressed her of this plane, she mentioned only engine thrust and radar..not manoeuvrability or agility or any quality more important for fighter plane. I read a report by an F 35 pilot, who lost a dog fight to F16, said the reason for loosing was F35 engine thrust is not adequate for its size.
awesome - fortunately CZcams democracy of opinion counts for nothing - most of the haters would probably be unable to make an Airfix model let alone understand the complexities of this jet; so the idea of giving their negativity any credibility is silly. We (the UK) are expecting our delivery shortly - with all the crap going on in the world today the sooner we get them the better :)
This aircraft is a serious failure, I cannot believe the UK/ US is manufacturing this rubbish especially with the British history of the VTOL, what chance does this stand against an SU-34 or a S400 system!?
I'd probably go with the F 22 over the F 35
+angloengland They said the same thing about the F-15 against the Foxbat.
***** I work at baesystems yankie doodle
+FoxtrotCharlie2 When? The F-15 can totally destroy a Foxbat. All the Foxbat can do it fire missiles and if they miss, hope they can run away. It can't maneuver to literally save it's life. However if flown properly by a good pilot, it is a formidable interceptor. IF those missiles hit.
+angloengland Sure you do. I'm sure you mop a mean floor and empty the wastebaskets like a boss too.
Anybody got the video of the demo
So, since no one can seem to point out what happened here and what the Pilot is discussing, there was no test of combat prowess here. The only thing that happened was the F-35 was testing flight control laws, and the F-16 was the baseline. In fact the F-16 had to use external fuel tanks in order to have the same loiter time as the F-35's internal tanks. But you all knew that.
The only stealthy part is where they hid all the money in developing what is a joke of a airplane
Biggest joke of the century is parked right in front of us 😂
+Kevin Arnold You must be referring to your comment.
+Kevin Arnold dogfight is the biggest joke of the century..
Godcreatedbananas forChimpstoeat yes, what else will you rely on when all the electronics are jammed huh? Chuck Norris??
Kevin Arnold Ha. Good luck jamming that.
Stephen Arseneau well although I don't know how it works, but if one upgraded, cold war era, tiny Russian interceptor could disable the vital electronics on an American destroyer... Then, yeah..
Video Report: The F-35 Goes "Beast Mode" Against Multiple Targets flip.it/MqtcrA
English is not my native language, I don't understand what she said pretty well, Can someone please write down below what she said? Thanks
2:45 she is really good at the grinder
The f16 is agile, but its not the pilot or the jet anymore... Its who has the furthest range firing a missile
There are no dog fights anymore like back in the day
50-100 miles away... ...
+Crazy Funny Cats The F-16 can do that too! For a long time now.
+Crazy Funny Cats The F-16 can do that too! For a long time now.
+Crazy Funny Cats some truth to that.
+PunisherUltra no
+Crazy Funny Cats Dogfighting will always be something that's necessary to train for, develop for, and understand better than the other guys. People once hung their hats on missiles and BVR (beyond visual range) engagements in the past. It didn't work out so well for us. There's a reason it came back and is still a focus to this day. Missiles miss, you can only carry so many, and in a combat/war situation you WILL be caught with your pants down often if that's all you have.
the Col sounds very knowledgeable and professional...
Instead of developing a new stealth aircraft with several bugs and glitches, why not invest in the F-15SE?
You guys want to hear a joke?
F35.
LOL
*applause*
What is a fighter pilot with an IQ of 100? Anwser: A 4 Ship
King Solo
tell me what wrong with it? its an amaizing jet
I burst out laughing overtime I see one of these.
they have been briefed on what to say and saying anything bad will result in punishment
We always had to adapt our aircraft and pilots to fight in the "next" conflict. I hope the F35 is adaptable. I know the pilots are.
Armed guards needed to protect the taxpayers from their costly junk?
you asked an f-15 pilot why the f-35 lost to the f-16.
No wonder she said it was just a test.
"Grinder" likes the thrust :D
The F35 lost to the F16 because the Lighting II (F35) is a “fighter” in name only. It was never designed to deliver air-to-air and air-to-ground ordinance undetected. It was never designed for ACM (dogfighting). It is a stealth attack aircraft that should be renamed the A35.
Actually the correct answer is "The F-35 at that time was still operating with software that placed severe constraints on its maneuverability and overall flight envelope. Later on those constraints were relaxed and today the F-35 operates to the full extent of its aerodynamic and kinematic performance limitations."