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you need to look into the law before mouthing off about "trademarks". IN GENERAL the bodies are not considered "original" because they are designed to fit the human body. Second, after they sued dean i went through the head stocks and they are trying to say that head stocks from the mid 1600 (on a yuk) are somehow "their" design. Sorry but Gibson is full of shit.
I'm a self taught english speaker and your video is the first where it's hard for me to understand what's been said. Seems like the poor sound capture doesn't help at all. Last but not least: What kind of description is that? Does it describe anything at all? You can do better, I bet. Cheers from BR.
@@ricklewis5804 I know right! They are not as bad as Sam Harris though, have you seen that guy try to talk when he doesnt have his 'script' or pre-written/formulaic answers. Its just awful, its like he is TERRIFIED of saying something 'wrong' and you can see the look of terror as he mumbles and splutters with a look of horror on his face (please no please please please dont say a bad thing and end up back on welfare). Yeah, Sam is painful to listen to when he gets like that.
From Leo: Seth Lover DID NOT invent humbuckers. A radio engineer in South Bend, Indiana developed and patented a humbucking pickup technology for stringed instruments in 1936. Seth lover repackaged it into the familiar PAF shape we know and love. Making a replacement part to fit a hole is not illegal. 1000's of replacement parts companies make parts for pretty much any consumer product. It only becomes illegal if you fraudulently write a counterfeit name on it and the paperwork.
I get your point, but it's easier just not to wear any clothing with logos plastered all over them. Are you being paid to be a walking billboard? I'm not.
"Play Authentic" is not a bad ad slogan, but thats all Gibson needed to say, just do that and talk about the history and legacy of Gibson, dont come out and start threatening people, Here is my Mad Men ad , Play Authentic across the screen , while you have slow pans and zooms of Gibson guitars, no other words needed , most cars have 4 wheels , ya dig
Thats exactly what we thought we were going to get when we saw the campaign as well! We were shocked when it went off the rails. Just hold the course Gibson. Unfortunately for them the folks that bought out their debt are probably pushing a tad in this...silly corporate overlords messing with one of our favorite guitar makers. Thanks for the comment Harry.
@@Peter-ff1tp Perhaps Gibson should get their R&D department to look at the Kris Derrig guitar and make replicas of *that* guitar. I know I would be interested in playing the guitar Slash uses on all his recordings. Who knows it may even be cheaper to make than a Gibson
I work in PR and when I saw the video I almost fell off my chair. It was clear that it hadn’t been passed a professional PR person as it was that bad! Doubtless it was taken down when Gibson’s media relations team saw it… This will cost the company sales, damage its reputation, dent Mark’s credibility and also make people angry. In other words… a total car crash.
Anthony Clark I have a feeling that Mark was reading a general script but ad libbed adding in he’s views on the spur of the moment. I think he meant well and didn’t intend it to come across the way it did and then as you say the video wasn’t reviewed properly by a PR person before it went out. I don’t believe that it was all scripted word for word by someone else. Psychologically He seems an instinctive person who tries to connect with people as he does with he’s music and hence preferred to ad lib rather than script read every word
Anthony Clark they will make a public apology along the lines of ‘the team put the wrong video out, we filmed three takes and take 1 went out by accident ‘ they may even delay release of new models due out soon
Our small online team was shocked as well! We love Gibson and are still excited about their rise from the ashes. We know this is only a stumble, but wow...what a glorious goof up it was. Thanks a bunch for the comment and thank you for watching!
@@pablo9364 If he'd gone off message the video wouldn't have been posted by Gibson. What he said was what his employer wanted him to say. There is clearly an agreed script... and Gibson has clearly lost the plot...
Eighteenth century mandolins have the open book headstock, so Gibson plagiarized that, also plagiarized Martin's dreadnought, and also plagiarized the shape of the Les Paul from a guitar maker called Appleton. Sooooooo WTF Gibson!!!!
@@Clearview68 It's not about patents, it's about trademarks, and that's not even the point. Imagine if you decided to start making butter churns, following the classic butter churn design, and then made enough money to get a bunch of corporate lawyers to stop anyone else from "copying" your design, despite it being used long before you were born and despite the fact that it's a design that came about naturally because it's ergonomic to the human body. Is that moral? Should it be legal? Surely, your expensive, handcrafted butter churns are so superior to the competition's that you shouldn't have to threaten the boutique butter churn makers with legal action?
Hey Gibson! Raise the quality 10%. Drop the prices 20%, Job done....or at least a good start made. In the mean time if poor people buy copies, they are aspiring to own Gibsons and Gibson should be grateful that folk are dreaming of them :-)
@@lkassimatis People want instruments, not furniture. Maybe Gibson should ditch the garnish and concentrate on making a good instrument. If people want binding on everything, let them buy it as an option. There is no good reason to charge over twice the amount than a Strat or Tele for a guitar which doesn't sound as good... Unless you don't play and want a guitar as an ornament.
@Daniel Johnson the first one I got was the gen 1 natural wood finish from China. It's OK. I put the EMG Hetfield pickups in it. My bandmate has it now. The gen 2 is way nicer. It's the red one, swapped in locking tuners for that one and kept the stock pups.
Intellectual property has a lot of holes in its theory, and when it comes to half century guitar shapes it gets even more ridiculous. Imagine Fender suing all guitar and bass makers who uses a long upper horn to ensure good balance. Gibson needs to compete on the market, not on courts.
All I can do is re-iterate what others have said in the comments section: 1. O.W. Appleton made the first single cutaway guitar electric guitar and went to Gibson asking them if they would be interested in making said guitar they basically said there was no market for it. 2. Dreadnought design also copied by Gibson. 3. Openbook headstock 18th century mandolins 4. F hole design on Gibson ES335 - violins 5. Violins have an archtop. 6. A. H. Merrill developed first achtop guitar 1896 7. Paul Bigsby also developed a single cutaway guitar after OW Appleton but before Gibson. The headstock of those guitars where basically copied by Fender becoming the Telecaster. Also built electric mandolins and created a tremolo (vibrato) system. I think the parent Gibson company need to really re-evaluate its history before throwing any stones.
Come on man! Gibson stole the Les Paul design from Mr Appleton. The "Les Paul" was actually the "APP" solid body guitar. The first of its kind. Furthermore, Mr Appleton showed it to Gibson 7 years BEFORE Gibson decided to steal the design and call it a Les Paul. All the way down to the "Mustache/Open Book" headstock. I felt like you guys were biting your tongue. The sad thing is, I was literally on the verge of buying a new Gibson Les Paul AND an SG. Now I'm actually getting very excited about buying my first PRS.
Cool, so since you blindly believe the guitologist, can you show me a date stamp on that guitar? Can you show me any documents that he went to Gibson? Can you really show anything other than what looks to be a rogue blog article?
The log guitar was almost the same shape as appletons guitar les paul came up with the design and was sided with epiphone but then Gibson bought out Epiphone to gain rights or something like that
Well I needed to take a break from my amazingly sad and pep songs to talk about this, being a jazzmaster player I am partial but nonetheless thanks for listening to my music...and thanks for watching this video:)
He'll be lucky to even get that job back. He left their with the reputation of being an arrogant asshole prick that name drops Bonamassa like he's his bitch.
Gibson kind of showed who they are in that video. They seem to think that they are special purely because of there name and what they have done. Which from my opinion is why their products lacked in appeal and quality. The reality is they have also “stolen” ideas. And so have many of the main manufacturers. It is pretty hypocritical. Their goal should be to make their product better than anyone else for a better price. But it seems like they are not capable of doing so.
long live Ibanez! I am 49 and I went through a period as a teenager and well into my twenties here in the south when everyone around me was like "you aint shit unless you play a Gibson, a Fender, or a Gretsch in a southern rock blues/boogie band. So what did I do? I caved to peer pressure so I could hopefully play in local bands. I sold an Ibanez prototype identical to the one Satriani used on Not of this Earth, sold my 83 charvel super strat, a jackson king v prototype and a bunch of other shit and went through a period of playing a vintage 65 strat, vintage 67 gibson sg, vintage 76 black les paul custom, etc. These were insanely expensive, anxiety inducing instruments to say the least. While loving Hendrix, Page, SRV and so on, I did this to satisfy the extremely limited aesthetic expectations of people other than myself. My one true love that no musicians around me at the time were prepared to appreciate much less understand was Frank Zappa. Thank God (Zappa) that despite the instrumental acquisitions, I spent the majority of my time studying orchestral scores, jazz, and the comedic symphonies of George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Bill Hicks and Redd Foxx. Kids don't waste your money and more importantly your time, trying to acquire these "classic" instruments. They are little more than empty objects, rock and roll talismans purchased by naive musicians at great expense in the hope of achieving some form of imitative magic that will result in their becoming major label monster motherfucker rockstars! Well I got news for you folks, no vintage gibson or fender, to say nothing of their inferior modern brothers and sisters, will transport you back in time to jam and party with the gods of classic rock and roll. I don't care how many pairs of thrift store bell bottom pants and creepy disco shirts you happen to own, or how much incense you burn, all you're really doing is ritually sacrificing your hard earned cash to the ghost of Robert Johnson at best, or to the shareholders at Gibson et al at worst. "Well fuck all them people, I don't need no excuse For being what I am Do you hear me, then?" Frank Zappa-Packard Goose
Several months ago I bought a Gibson CS '58 Les Paul. Though I am, by and large, a Fender guitar player I must say that this Les Paul is a beautiful instrument. It's a joy to play. Gibson has shot themselves in the foot and it's unfortunate.
Yes, no need for Gibson owners to throw the baby out with the bath water. For those who have a Gibson that they are pleased with (like myself) then no problem.
revisiting this. It's hard to believe that Gibson (or any other manufacturer) can't see that PLAYERS get no advantage by playing an "authentic" Gibson over a lovingly-crafted "copy". It's not counterfeit if it doesn't say "Gibson" anywhere on it. That doesn't mean it isn't fair to use Gibson's designs without permission or paying a license fee. But if someone makes a better SG than Gibson can make how is it "better" for anyone except Gibson to buy the Gibson instead? Gibson "heritage" comes from excellent products. You don't get to keep your "heritage" if you make shoddy or lacking versions of your designs.
so much about Gibson's "revolutionary developments": from O.W: Appleton website: In 1943 Appleton took his guitar to Gibson, to see if they had an interest in manufacturing the model. They told him that they couldn't imagine someone playing a solid-body electric guitar. App attempted to patent his instrument, but as a musician from the small town of Burlington, Iowa, he didn't have access to a patent attorney. He sent letters and money to folks who advertised themselves as patent attorneys in the back of Popular Mechanics Magazine, but they merely took his cash. During World War II, as manufacturers dedicated their factories to the war effort, all guitar production ceased. Appleton stopped pursuing a patent. Almost ten years later, in 1952, Appleton received a letter from a friend at Gibson. The letter read, "Well, App, you see our competition (editor's note: that would be Fender) has finally forced us to come out with your solid guitar. Sure wish we had listened to you back in 1943." Included with the letter was a brochure for the new Gibson Les Paul Model. In frustration, App threw the letter out. Today, App's story is largely forgotten. And although Gibson's R&D department took credit for the design of the Les Paul Model, you have to imagine that they were influenced by a nearly identical guitar presented to them a decade earlier by O.W. "App" Appleton.
Perfect Robert Smith Comment! We also call him Tim Burton, Gene Wilder, or just funny looking. We never know what his next hair do is going to look like till he walks in then oh boy....Sincere thanks for the comment and thank you for watching!
Gibsons are great for firewood. I have played for over 37 years (Les Pauls) and as soon as I got my Paul Reed Smith CE 24, I was converted. No Looking back. Thank You Paul Reed Smith !!!
@@craigthompson7070 Point taken. Just don't care for Gibson anymore. I had a beautiful 99 Les Paul that I fully customized. Had around $3500 in it. It just felt so brittle and unnatural. I was looking at it one day and I thought, "This really sucks". I set out to find a really nice guitar. Did years of research. Every path took me to PRS. Every part of the guitar is so well thought out. It just screams to be picked up and played and the pickups are so articulate. Very impressed. Wasted so much time thinking about changing this out or upgrading this. which pickups sound better? all the shootout videos. The answer was right there all along :-)
@@Jeffrie_Baer Very cool. Two of my favorite guitars are PRS. A McCarty and a Singlecut Satin. I do believe PRS QC is better. Go thru a few LP's, pick a good one, and let Gibson deal with the leftovers.... RnR 😎
Mr. Levi's changed some lightbulbs. How reassuring that management, supervisors, employees never thought of that. Go back and watch the Thomasson interview in Germany with Mr. Levi's. He basically says don't expect any changes; we're gonna stick with what got us here. Oh that's reassuring. Good video guys!
We only wish! We call Baxter Robert Smith, Gene Wilder, Tim Burton...just about anyone with a funny face and even sillier hair. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching:)!!!
People dont like Gibson because their prices are too high and their quality at times isnt there to support it. If they really cannot drive down the price, they should do an overseas sector where they make cheaper les pauls, ones with propper binding and everything (like epiphones but just called Gibson and having the Gibson headstock). People would eat that shit up in a heartbeat (including me)
The problem is both reputation now and they've boxed themselves into a corner. Their reasoning for exhorbitant prices (they say) is quality and American labor, if they ship mfg overseas will they cut their prices in half or more to bring them into the price point of their competition? No! Do they make the best quality guitars on the market? Also NO! But they DO manage by far to charge the highest prices for general available guitars. Is it special? Hell no. Anyone can buy the same guitar anywhere. For the prices they charge they should ALL be boutique guitars let's be honest. What they do make is a guitar that relies on it's name and history to sell to people looking to buy their credibility instead of earning it. It's no different than the kid at school who can't play basketball and shows up in a $150 pair of Nike's for the faux creds. I've seen Joe Satriani play a $100 Yamaha guitar through a $60 kit amp and you know what, he still sounded like Joe Satriani!
On one hand I think your right.They would probably sell but....Would you feel like you had a real Gibson? If they do what they need to do to cut the cost by 2/3 then it's not really a Gibson anymore is it??
Pretty sure the owners of Gibson (KKR & co I'm told, a global investment corporate) will be milking the legend of Gibson in the only way they know how - litigation. To expect them to understand Gibson in historical or musician terms is going to be a big stretch, especially given it's previous mismanagement.
As a fellow Gibson owner, I hope your 2019 has less problems than my 2011 Explorer. Bridge pickup gave out, neck developed a twist at the heel, had to have the frets pulled, fingerboard leveled, regretted and a new nut. Meanwhile, my 2001 PRS Custom 22 has only been in for setups. I've battered and abused it, and it keeps working. My Explorer is the first and last Gibson I'll ever own.
@@AaronIsLoud I am so glad Gibson put that video out before I made my next purchase! I was literally getting ready to buy a Les Paul (one of the new runs) and an SG as well. Literally within days of me buying 2 Gibson guitars, they put that Agnesi video out. I was torn between Gibson and PRS. Not anymore! I have heard nothing but good about PRS. Guess what I am buying now? You guessed it. PRS and Fender. Which I already own quite a few Fenders. LOVE Fender! But I was wanting Gibson's too. Not anymore. I can't wait to get my new PRS thoiugh! Thanks for the confirmation.
pablo9364 I spent $2500 on mine. I want this guitar to not only feel great playing but also represent something I want to be apart of. I didn’t want to spend $2500 to support a fucking bully.
The quality and the price is outrageous. There are so many better boutique builders that have amazing attention to detail and give you a better quality guitar for half the price. If they are going to go after dean guitars than they should go after 99% of all the other builders since they all look the same. It's a joke, instead of worrying about taping the head stock and suing everyone, increase your quality and reduce your prices to reclaim all the players whom have left you.
Gibson really screwed the pooch on this one. Bad timing, bad publicity and just a bad look. They may win in a court of law but not the court of public opinion. Let the damage control begin.
I just noticed a sign on the side of one of our (Seattle) commuter buses today that said "Be Authentic!" I've never noticed it before. I think that's a sign the world is coming to an end... My take on the Gibson thing is they are totally in the wrong. Too many people are excusing them because of the copyright aspect. They should be worried about counterfeiting but no one outside of China is doing that. You can't copyright a guitar shape. A guitar is functionally simple...a piece of wood, tuners, pickups, bridge, electronics, etc. If you don't want to make Gibson the sole guitar maker then you have to let anyone make whatever they want as long as they don't call it a Gibson. There were many design elements of the Les Paul before Gibson and there were many design elements used by Fender before their designs as well. By the Gibson logic, there should be no automobile manufacturers after Ford if Ford patented round tires, chassis without a horse, etc.
@jacktheripped I agree. Gibson doesn't realize they are just another mass produced guitar company. Nothing special worth wearing a leather jacket over. :)
I rarely pull a Gibson off the rack and play a chord or two on it ever anymore---the ratio of good and bad has flipped over the years,,plus ,tooo many models and way the heck too much money,,u know for all the fuss just not worth it just to play a Gibson.
@@craigthompson7070 LOL or do you mean my Gretsch G7593T-BD White Falcon through my Roland Blues Cub Stage 60w? Kleenexes are available in the lobby. Or maybe my Ibanez JS1200CA? Jealousy is a sad trait for little boys.
You know...I am a long time Fender/Squire owner...I was actually considering adding a Gibson to the small collection but after this crap they pulled...nah I'll give my money to Fender and possibly Chapman...companies that actually care about the customer.
I think that Mark came across like "Who's your daddy", while simultaneously "$hitting the bed"... you guys should have worn a Gibson t-shirt with tape across the logo with maybe Mark's caricature with that weird evil expression with his eyeballs
Is Mark's involvement with Gibson becoming a PR nightmare for them? Isn't that the second social media material they had to remove, the first one being the IG post where he craped on Fender?
I can see the Gibson execs in a meeting brainstorming after this: Ok so the play authentic thing didn't work. Lets role with the Make Gibson Great Again thing. Hey Mark we have the hats. lol
Pahahaha he'd be lucky if Norm would even be foolish enough to take him back at this point. His credibility in the guitar world is shit! He's always too busy ballwashing Bonamassa anyway.
I've hated Mark since I heard him at Norm's trashing and making fun of Les Paul (the man). Whether you liked his music or not, what right has this nobody got to be disrespectful toward Les?
My next guitars going to be a PRS or a pro tele I still love Gibson I'm just pissed if you look at my 2001 ES 135 the build quality is so much better it's just crazy it looks like some beginning luthier made my Les Paul and I know it's the bottom of the line of the American-made but fuck thousand dollars for guitar should be a pretty good one don't you think
hi i have been playing guitar for 55 years and it was always a dream to get a Gibson lp after years of saving my money i actually was able to get one in 1972 and it was great so as more time went buy and i bought another in 1994 and i love them both dearly. so i bought a 2017 tribute and even thought i like the way it looks it just lacked the type of attention it needed to make me want to play it more . but that's is were the love affair stopped i tried over and over to make it like my other 2 it just never had the sound and detailing i craved . then Mark made the big mistake and it really TURNED ME INSIDE OUT .i have plenty of other guitars in my stable and when Gibson opened the box to pretend to be the leader i said i was done .i WILL NOT EVER BUY ANOTHER GIBSON PRODUCT EVER AGAIN IN MY LIFE !!!!!!!. i GAVE MY 2017 LP TO A KID WHO IS HANDICAPPED WANTS TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY GUITAR I ADMIRE HIS DENATURATION AND I WILL BE GIVING HIM FREE LESSONS FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES.i told him that t want to play better then the guitar itself .my other 2 REAL GIBBONS WERE FROM ANOTHER ERA WHEN OWNING A GIBSON MEANT SOMETHING OF QUALITY .
We feel this video just caught him in a rare crazy WTF moment where the corporate overlords gave a dictate and he was like...oh my...how do I sell this pickle of an idea... Thanks for the comment and thank you for watching!
Studies have found that many seniors in corporations and large companies are on the sociopath spectrum in terms of traits (luckily, most stop short at the killing trait, but they have the power to destroy people in many other interesting ways)
I heard somewhere that Gibson will offer a discount to anyone who will accept delivery of a new guitar with the headstock already broken. You can use the savings to take it to be repaired at a shop of your choice, and it will then be better than new. I think it's a great idea.
I wasn't even aware Gibson had real issues until this whole thing came out but man this is next level. Btw, what's up with the super low levels on your videos. I have to crank the volume to hear you guys.
Hahaha just stop into any mom & pop store or a Guitar Center and see for yourself just how poor their quality really is first hand. They all look good hangin up on the wall at first until you actually see the flaws up close with your own eyes. Their bowed necks coming out of the factory are to die for LMAO.
@@Alongfortheride693 No there's actually some very good reasons for it, all Agnesi did was manage to poor acetone and gasoline into the fire people have been complaining about for MANY years now!
I feel like Collector's Choice Les Pauls are really the only modern ones that nail it. So, really what they should be saying is drop 8 grand like I did, and play almost as authentic as possible. Not all Les Paul's are created equal. That being said I enjoy my Greco EG58 120 immensely. Doesn't hold a candle to my CC #43 - But, it's good. Better than a 2012 custom shop Les Paul.
The backlash is well deserved-Gibson has bankruptcy, quality control and pricing issues. This video basically says they can’t compete on price and quality so they will only compete by suing.
I would’ve thought the would’ve seen it coming...but then again it’s the same stupid company that tried to pull off a Gibson Hendrix Strat...tell me more about being “authentic”
@@treyalexanderhaislip That Gibson Strat was unfortunately missing the one thing that would've made it the greatest guitar ever produced... Robo Tuners
I purchased an LP Junior double cut from BYO Guitars. Adding upgraded hardware and electronics - for approximately $400 I've built an axe BETTER than the $1000+ Led Paul's hanging on the wall at Guitar Center (and I still have set up bugs to work out!). And the cherry on the cake, I sprayed their logo onto the headstock - IN MEMORY OF WHAT GIBSON USED TO BE.
I’m still speechless by their video and move, like 2 days after this fiasco they filed the lawsuit suing Dean, they raised so well lately with amazing guitars and vibes..why the hell they did these moves? It’s a death wish?! Great video guys 🤘🏻
I build single cuts but incorporated a little of each to create a unique body ,does that count, the lower half looks like a Gibson less Paul and the top looks like the 50's k and I created a whole different body out of it as far as overall look and I create that same body using wood and epoxy resin
I'm not legal expert what so ever, but from what I was able to google out is that any patent Gibson might have have on those legendary designs as "Les Paul" are long gone expired, and all of those threats are empty. If I'm not mistaken in US, longest you can hold rights on patent is 17 years, and for design it is 15. US patent regulations are quite complicated, and US Patent and Trademark Office on their site does provide Patent Term Calculator to help with calculating how long your patent is valid.
Couldn't agree with you more on the qc. That's why Drew(bought the custom aqua blue prs 24 ce you guys had.) went with the prs. If you're gonna put that much money into a guitar. Why turn around and pay more to have it set up, just to be playable. Keep up the awesome content guys.
I try try and try and no matter what that silly stuff just keeps going whichever direction it will. So at this point we leave it to the will of the Gods on how ridiculous I may look each and every day. Sincere thanks for the comment and thank you for watching!
I work in an auto service center, and out of 10 cars, 6 are playing rap and hip hop, maybe 2 cars country, and 1 car is playing rock and classic pop. I miss rock based music being mainstream. I had a second hand Les Paul Custom Lite that I bought for $1,400. I was so excited to have finally have a Gibson, but the neck just seemed too thick and cramped my hand. It looked cool, but my Ltd EC1000 just felt and played better to me. I think the studios should be $899, the classics $1,499, maybe $1,899 for a standard, and $2,200 for a custom. I get they want to be a luxury brand, but they are only targeting a small part of the market that is getting smaller by doing so. Just my opinion.
9 minutes into this video ( Nice hair btw ) and I still don't know what you're talking about, as you do not actually say it. As if you assume that we saw that video. Well done....thanks for stealing these 10 minutes from my precious time and have a wonderful day dudes.....unbelievable....
I really don’t care about the politics of this. I’ve had a Gibson Les Paul for 30 years and it’s by far my favorite of all the guitars I’ve owned. If I had my choice of a new guitar today, it would be a new Gibson Les Paul. The QC has definitely improved. Their new 50’s and 60’s Standards look fantastic. No problems here.
Mark is new to the Corporate World. He just started. The Video was the result of an ill thought marketing meeting and Mark probably had little choice but to do the spot... I hope. But it would do Mark well to explain his performance. Peace
O.W. Appleton showed his single cut solid body guitar to gibson 7 years before the les paul, they told him it wouldn’t bear any weight and nobody would buy it
Gibson bought the right from les paul which was going to epiphone at the time for the log, "the log" if you must know is the guitar that mostly resembled a true les paul design
Everyone is overreacting to this video. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with what Gibson and Mark Agnesi said in the video. They’re trying to bounce back from prior management destroying one of the quintessential American guitar brands, and unscrupulous people pirating their intellectual property isn’t good for any of us. I expected better from y’all.
I actually agree that there's really nothing wrong with WHAT they said, it's just HOW they said it and, of course, I definitely don't like the idea of anyone pirating intellectual property. I think the point we, or at least I, was trying to make was that a statement like that doesn't really help them bounce back, which we all want to see. Like one of the other comments, it could've been a much more positive statement instead of a "you've been warned statement." Anyways, thanks for watching and for leaving a thoughtful comment that brings up a different way to see it.
Welcome to the internet where sanity is in short supply and outrage is the drug of choice. From a marketing perspective it was a complete blunder but I wonder how the pitchfork wielding mob would feel about someone borrowing their design to profit off of? Im not talking about just Gibson and I understand there is some controversy as to the origin of their projects design. Should we just toss out all patent, copyright, and trademark law and allow me or you to start producing anything we want to the detriment of say the artist who created the painting?
There is something wrong. Dean has been making those guitars for 40 some years. And decides to go after them now. WtF. And the hypocrisy of making that dumb Hendrix strat. AGNESI going off the rails giddy over a 70s Ibanez Flying V on guitar of the day. The fact that several CZcams influencer trolls that make a career on talking trash are leaving this alone because they are buddies with Agnesi. The fact that they took the video down and haven’t commented. Fender has allowed the strat and Tele to be copied. Guess what the strat is still the biggest selling guitar. Gibson could let people copy designs and be like “. Look ours is the real deal. They don’t do that because the copies are better and much cheaper. I was a fan of Agnesi I also had hopes. Now I hope they go down.
Just over a year ago I bought a new Gibson Les Paul Faded model from Sam Ash at an "Off The Wall" sale for $620. Sure it was a little over a year old model that had not sold, but it was new with all the goodies and a gig bag. I got a new 100% real USA Les Paul for a great price! If they could sell this model for $800, Specials for $700 and Juniors for $600, Gibson would own the guitar market. That would help with brand loyalty and then the next guitar could be a Custom or Standard. Fender has done this succesfully with Squire, MIM, USA & Custom Shop for years. Invest in CNC machines and start cranking out USA made guitars!!!!
In my opinion Gibson USA has not improved their quality They are certainly not Memphis or the custom shop I own two custom shop Gibson's at 4 Memphis semi-hollow bodies all are great guitars The Gibson USA Les Paul's are not worth a damn
It's like going to a high end restaurant ordering dinner and getting the same thing you could order at the diner down the street for less money, now it's just on a fancy plate.
ESP and PRS single cuts are so much better than Gibson’s les Paul. Les paul NEVER stays in tune longer than 5 minutes. ESP AND PRS DOES. ESP and PRS haVE stellar playability over Gibson. ALL sound great but PRS has the slight edge. Just get a PRS or ESP SINGLE-CUT. You can’t go wrong.
Gibson was shown a solid body single cut electric guitar very similar to the Les Paul in 1942 by O.W. Appleton APP Guitar and mandolins in the 19th century were using the open book head stock. Gibson is not the pure at heart guitar company. I even saw a triple neck ukulele style setup with a V head stock in the centre. Gibson may come out of this with a nice shiner.
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you need to look into the law before mouthing off about "trademarks". IN GENERAL the bodies are not considered "original" because they are designed to fit the human body. Second, after they sued dean i went through the head stocks and they are trying to say that head stocks from the mid 1600 (on a yuk) are somehow "their" design. Sorry but Gibson is full of shit.
no thank you
I'm a self taught english speaker and your video is the first where it's hard for me to understand what's been said.
Seems like the poor sound capture doesn't help at all.
Last but not least:
What kind of description is that? Does it describe anything at all?
You can do better, I bet.
Cheers from BR.
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It’s not you. These guys seem to be unable to speak in complete sentences.
@@ricklewis5804
I know right! They are not as bad as Sam Harris though, have you seen that guy try to talk when he doesnt have his 'script' or pre-written/formulaic answers. Its just awful, its like he is TERRIFIED of saying something 'wrong' and you can see the look of terror as he mumbles and splutters with a look of horror on his face (please no please please please dont say a bad thing and end up back on welfare). Yeah, Sam is painful to listen to when he gets like that.
Is Gibson gonna sue Seymour Duncan for making humbuckers???
No, but Seth Lover missed his chance years ago, sorta like Gibson
@@gearmeister What about Ray Butts? Didn't Gretsch have the first humbucker?
@@AntmanFelix maybe so but the retired Navy officer Seth E Lover was the first to be awarded the patent for the humbucker
From Leo: Seth Lover DID NOT invent humbuckers. A radio engineer in South Bend, Indiana developed and patented a humbucking pickup technology for stringed instruments in 1936. Seth lover repackaged it into the familiar PAF shape we know and love. Making a replacement part to fit a hole is not illegal. 1000's of replacement parts companies make parts for pretty much any consumer product. It only becomes illegal if you fraudulently write a counterfeit name on it and the paperwork.
Well, Seth Lover SHARED his designs with SD. Seymour and Seth were friends, I understand.
Somebody should start a guitar company and call it authentic guitars
Gibson will try to trademark the word "authentic" and "guitar"... lolol
Lawsuit lol 😝
Yep lawsuit
I'm playing authentic fingers!
@@googlegilbertlevinmars322 Somebody should start a company called “Lawsuit Guitars.”
Shoulda worn a Gibson shirt. Then taped it out.
I get your point, but it's easier just not to wear any clothing with logos plastered all over them. Are you being paid to be a walking billboard? I'm not.
Gosh darn it you are so right. Noted and will be replicated soon! Great great great idea....and thanks for watching!
I am tying black bandanas around all my head stocks now. I don't want Gibson demonetizing my videos. ;)
@@CasinoGuitars myb is better making your own appleton shirt at least he's dead and wont sue you xD
😂😂😂😂
"Play Authentic" is not a bad ad slogan, but thats all Gibson needed to say, just do that and talk about the history and legacy of Gibson, dont come out and start threatening people, Here is my Mad Men ad , Play Authentic across the screen , while you have slow pans and zooms of Gibson guitars, no other words needed , most cars have 4 wheels , ya dig
Agnessi came off as a cocky douche bag real quick. Especially that part about taping the headstock
@@GrimYak That's always been my impression of him; a cocky douche bag.
Thats exactly what we thought we were going to get when we saw the campaign as well! We were shocked when it went off the rails. Just hold the course Gibson. Unfortunately for them the folks that bought out their debt are probably pushing a tad in this...silly corporate overlords messing with one of our favorite guitar makers. Thanks for the comment Harry.
@@Peter-ff1tp Perhaps Gibson should get their R&D department to look at the Kris Derrig guitar and make replicas of *that* guitar. I know I would be interested in playing the guitar Slash uses on all his recordings. Who knows it may even be cheaper to make than a Gibson
I work in PR and when I saw the video I almost fell off my chair. It was clear that it hadn’t been passed a professional PR person as it was that bad! Doubtless it was taken down when Gibson’s media relations team saw it…
This will cost the company sales, damage its reputation, dent Mark’s credibility and also make people angry.
In other words… a total car crash.
Anthony Clark I have a feeling that Mark was reading a general script but ad libbed adding in he’s views on the spur of the moment. I think he meant well and didn’t intend it to come across the way it did and then as you say the video wasn’t reviewed properly by a PR person before it went out. I don’t believe that it was all scripted word for word by someone else. Psychologically He seems an instinctive person who tries to connect with people as he does with he’s music and hence preferred to ad lib rather than script read every word
Anthony Clark they will make a public apology along the lines of ‘the team put the wrong video out, we filmed three takes and take 1 went out by accident ‘ they may even delay release of new models due out soon
Our small online team was shocked as well! We love Gibson and are still excited about their rise from the ashes. We know this is only a stumble, but wow...what a glorious goof up it was. Thanks a bunch for the comment and thank you for watching!
@@pablo9364 If he'd gone off message the video wouldn't have been posted by Gibson. What he said was what his employer wanted him to say. There is clearly an agreed script... and Gibson has clearly lost the plot...
Anthony Clark is that right? Were you there in person at Gibson when they did the video?
Eighteenth century mandolins have the open book headstock, so Gibson plagiarized that, also plagiarized Martin's dreadnought, and also plagiarized the shape of the Les Paul from a guitar maker called Appleton. Sooooooo WTF Gibson!!!!
Eighteenth century mandolins aren't patented
@@Clearview68 but authentic
Apollyon 1975 Ignore all that history yep because they do “all original stuff” they did it all first by being second
@@Clearview68 It's not about patents, it's about trademarks, and that's not even the point. Imagine if you decided to start making butter churns, following the classic butter churn design, and then made enough money to get a bunch of corporate lawyers to stop anyone else from "copying" your design, despite it being used long before you were born and despite the fact that it's a design that came about naturally because it's ergonomic to the human body. Is that moral? Should it be legal? Surely, your expensive, handcrafted butter churns are so superior to the competition's that you shouldn't have to threaten the boutique butter churn makers with legal action?
Really, genius? Who holds the patents and copyrights? Idiot.
Hey Gibson! Raise the quality 10%. Drop the prices 20%, Job done....or at least a good start made. In the mean time if poor people buy copies, they are aspiring to own Gibsons and Gibson should be grateful that folk are dreaming of them :-)
I don’t play authentic because Gibson no longer builds authentic
Drop them to Fender Prices. A Standard should be at the same price as an Fender American standard/professional.
colaboytje they can’t quite be the same price, with carved flame maple caps and binding all round they have to be a little more expensive
@@lkassimatis People want instruments, not furniture. Maybe Gibson should ditch the garnish and concentrate on making a good instrument. If people want binding on everything, let them buy it as an option.
There is no good reason to charge over twice the amount than a Strat or Tele for a guitar which doesn't sound as good... Unless you don't play and want a guitar as an ornament.
@@lkassimatis Why? It's about margins.
Makes me want to continue to buy single cut guitars from any other reputable company.
Gibson would have you believe there aren't any other reputable companies.
@Daniel Johnson I own two ML2's :-)
Definitely grab a Chapman lp copy
@Daniel Johnson the first one I got was the gen 1 natural wood finish from China. It's OK. I put the EMG Hetfield pickups in it. My bandmate has it now. The gen 2 is way nicer. It's the red one, swapped in locking tuners for that one and kept the stock pups.
Eastman makes a killer Les Paul
We need Play Authentic t-shirts with a picture of a Dean guitar.
Your band should play Nirvana covers on a Robson lol
Intellectual property has a lot of holes in its theory, and when it comes to half century guitar shapes it gets even more ridiculous. Imagine Fender suing all guitar and bass makers who uses a long upper horn to ensure good balance.
Gibson needs to compete on the market, not on courts.
kinda reminds me of the makers of PUBG suing Epic over Fortnite.
All I can do is re-iterate what others have said in the comments section:
1. O.W. Appleton made the first single cutaway guitar electric guitar and went to Gibson asking them if they would be interested in making said guitar they basically said there was no market for it.
2. Dreadnought design also copied by Gibson.
3. Openbook headstock 18th century mandolins
4. F hole design on Gibson ES335 - violins
5. Violins have an archtop.
6. A. H. Merrill developed first achtop guitar 1896
7. Paul Bigsby also developed a single cutaway guitar after OW Appleton but before Gibson. The headstock of those guitars where basically copied by Fender becoming the Telecaster. Also built electric mandolins and created a tremolo (vibrato) system.
I think the parent Gibson company need to really re-evaluate its history before throwing any stones.
Come on man! Gibson stole the Les Paul design from Mr Appleton. The "Les Paul" was actually the "APP" solid body guitar. The first of its kind. Furthermore, Mr Appleton showed it to Gibson 7 years BEFORE Gibson decided to steal the design and call it a Les Paul. All the way down to the "Mustache/Open Book" headstock. I felt like you guys were biting your tongue. The sad thing is, I was literally on the verge of buying a new Gibson Les Paul AND an SG. Now I'm actually getting very excited about buying my first PRS.
Cool, so since you blindly believe the guitologist, can you show me a date stamp on that guitar? Can you show me any documents that he went to Gibson? Can you really show anything other than what looks to be a rogue blog article?
@jacktheripped so you literally have no documentation and because of that you are now lashing out like a child. Think you need a timeout, son.
The log guitar was almost the same shape as appletons guitar les paul came up with the design and was sided with epiphone but then Gibson bought out Epiphone to gain rights or something like that
@jacktheripped you might be on the spectrum 😂😂🤦♂️
@jacktheripped oh my god 🤦♂️😂😂😂😂
I didn't expect to see Robert Smith from The Cure in this but Im impressed! I love that song Friday Im in love!
Nathan Hassall 😂😂😂
Well I needed to take a break from my amazingly sad and pep songs to talk about this, being a jazzmaster player I am partial but nonetheless thanks for listening to my music...and thanks for watching this video:)
@@CasinoGuitars Cheers and thank you :)
these two winners are the new trailer park players!!!
😂😂😂 I couldn't help but think of Robert Smith with that hairdo. No offense intended at all!
1 month later..."It's freakin' Straturday at Norm's!!!" - Mark Agnesi LOL
He'll be lucky to even get that job back. He left their with the reputation of being an arrogant asshole prick that name drops Bonamassa like he's his bitch.
Mark made a choice and he chose wrong. He is totally responsible for his own actions.
Gibson kind of showed who they are in that video. They seem to think that they are special purely because of there name and what they have done. Which from my opinion is why their products lacked in appeal and quality. The reality is they have also “stolen” ideas. And so have many of the main manufacturers. It is pretty hypocritical. Their goal should be to make their product better than anyone else for a better price. But it seems like they are not capable of doing so.
Mr Spacetime exactly.
They aren't capable, they know it, thus the vid and lawsuit.
@Mr Spacetime He made it for Epiphone not Gibson. Gibson stole the les Paul design and then bought Epiphone.
@Somewhere over the 🌈 the correct grammar would be "you are an idiot". So... yeah, there is that.
long live Ibanez! I am 49 and I went through a period as a teenager and well into my twenties here in the south when everyone around me was like "you aint shit unless you play a Gibson, a Fender, or a Gretsch in a southern rock blues/boogie band. So what did I do? I caved to peer pressure so I could hopefully play in local bands. I sold an Ibanez prototype identical to the one Satriani used on Not of this Earth, sold my 83 charvel super strat, a jackson king v prototype and a bunch of other shit and went through a period of playing a vintage 65 strat, vintage 67 gibson sg, vintage 76 black les paul custom, etc. These were insanely expensive, anxiety inducing instruments to say the least. While loving Hendrix, Page, SRV and so on, I did this to satisfy the extremely limited aesthetic expectations of people other than myself. My one true love that no musicians around me at the time were prepared to appreciate much less understand was Frank Zappa. Thank God (Zappa) that despite the instrumental acquisitions, I spent the majority of my time studying orchestral scores, jazz, and the comedic symphonies of George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Bill Hicks and Redd Foxx. Kids don't waste your money and more importantly your time, trying to acquire these "classic" instruments. They are little more than empty objects, rock and roll talismans purchased by naive musicians at great expense in the hope of achieving some form of imitative magic that will result in their becoming major label monster motherfucker rockstars! Well I got news for you folks, no vintage gibson or fender, to say nothing of their inferior modern brothers and sisters, will transport you back in time to jam and party with the gods of classic rock and roll. I don't care how many pairs of thrift store bell bottom pants and creepy disco shirts you happen to own, or how much incense you burn, all you're really doing is ritually sacrificing your hard earned cash to the ghost of Robert Johnson at best, or to the shareholders at Gibson et al at worst.
"Well fuck all them people, I don't
need no excuse
For being what I am
Do you hear me, then?"
Frank Zappa-Packard Goose
Several months ago I bought a Gibson CS '58 Les Paul. Though I am, by and large, a Fender guitar player I must say that this Les Paul is a beautiful instrument. It's a joy to play. Gibson has shot themselves in the foot and it's unfortunate.
Yes, no need for Gibson owners to throw the baby out with the bath water. For those who have a Gibson that they are pleased with (like myself) then no problem.
revisiting this. It's hard to believe that Gibson (or any other manufacturer) can't see that PLAYERS get no advantage by playing an "authentic" Gibson over a lovingly-crafted "copy". It's not counterfeit if it doesn't say "Gibson" anywhere on it. That doesn't mean it isn't fair to use Gibson's designs without permission or paying a license fee. But if someone makes a better SG than Gibson can make how is it "better" for anyone except Gibson to buy the Gibson instead?
Gibson "heritage" comes from excellent products. You don't get to keep your "heritage" if you make shoddy or lacking versions of your designs.
He didn't just 'foul out...',
he did it "...in the first Quarter, down 20 pts. with six minutes remaining in the period".
so much about Gibson's "revolutionary developments": from O.W: Appleton website: In 1943 Appleton took his guitar to Gibson, to see if they had an interest in manufacturing the model. They told him that they couldn't imagine someone playing a solid-body electric guitar.
App attempted to patent his instrument, but as a musician from the small town of Burlington, Iowa, he didn't have access to a patent attorney. He sent letters and money to folks who advertised themselves as patent attorneys in the back of Popular Mechanics Magazine, but they merely took his cash. During World War II, as manufacturers dedicated their factories to the war effort, all guitar production ceased. Appleton stopped pursuing a patent.
Almost ten years later, in 1952, Appleton received a letter from a friend at Gibson. The letter read, "Well, App, you see our competition (editor's note: that would be Fender) has finally forced us to come out with your solid guitar. Sure wish we had listened to you back in 1943." Included with the letter was a brochure for the new Gibson Les Paul Model. In frustration, App threw the letter out.
Today, App's story is largely forgotten. And although Gibson's R&D department took credit for the design of the Les Paul Model, you have to imagine that they were influenced by a nearly identical guitar presented to them a decade earlier by O.W. "App" Appleton.
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Y’all forgot to tape over the intro Gibson logo. You’ve been warned.
Robert Smith says WTF? You stole his hair.
Perfect Robert Smith Comment! We also call him Tim Burton, Gene Wilder, or just funny looking. We never know what his next hair do is going to look like till he walks in then oh boy....Sincere thanks for the comment and thank you for watching!
Mark, Mark, Mark, better call Norm to see if your old job is still open. 😂😂😂
Three minutes in and I still have no idea who anyone is or what’s going on.
50% off topic bullshit...
Gibsons are great for firewood. I have played for over 37 years (Les Pauls) and as soon as I got my Paul Reed Smith CE 24, I was converted. No Looking back. Thank You Paul Reed Smith !!!
PRS is great. So is Gibson. Don't be a moron. Thanks.
@@craigthompson7070 Point taken. Just don't care for Gibson anymore. I had a beautiful 99 Les Paul that I fully customized. Had around $3500 in it. It just felt so brittle and unnatural. I was looking at it one day and I thought, "This really sucks". I set out to find a really nice guitar. Did years of research. Every path took me to PRS. Every part of the guitar is so well thought out. It just screams to be picked up and played and the pickups are so articulate. Very impressed. Wasted so much time thinking about changing this out or upgrading this. which pickups sound better? all the shootout videos. The answer was right there all along :-)
@@Jeffrie_Baer Very cool. Two of my favorite guitars are PRS. A McCarty and a Singlecut Satin. I do believe PRS QC is better. Go thru a few LP's, pick a good one, and let Gibson deal with the leftovers.... RnR 😎
Mr. Levi's changed some lightbulbs. How reassuring that management, supervisors, employees never thought of that. Go back and watch the Thomasson interview in Germany with Mr. Levi's. He basically says don't expect any changes; we're gonna stick with what got us here. Oh that's reassuring.
Good video guys!
Mark should of just stayed at Norms Guitar shop doing Guitars of the Day Vids.. I am LMAO
Is this a Cure video?
We only wish! We call Baxter Robert Smith, Gene Wilder, Tim Burton...just about anyone with a funny face and even sillier hair. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching:)!!!
@@CasinoGuitars ... Fabulous vid! Thanks!
@@ercb.7844 Thx again Eric B!
Fender:
Gibson: Play Authentic
Touche Fender
That made us all smile:) Thanks for the comment and thank you for watching!
They say life is all about timing...er, enough said!
Judging by his look, that guy from Gibson video doesn't have any ideas. Is in fact, a robot. A Gibson Robot, which can tune by itself.
People dont like Gibson because their prices are too high and their quality at times isnt there to support it. If they really cannot drive down the price, they should do an overseas sector where they make cheaper les pauls, ones with propper binding and everything (like epiphones but just called Gibson and having the Gibson headstock). People would eat that shit up in a heartbeat (including me)
The problem is both reputation now and they've boxed themselves into a corner. Their reasoning for exhorbitant prices (they say) is quality and American labor, if they ship mfg overseas will they cut their prices in half or more to bring them into the price point of their competition? No!
Do they make the best quality guitars on the market? Also NO! But they DO manage by far to charge the highest prices for general available guitars. Is it special? Hell no. Anyone can buy the same guitar anywhere. For the prices they charge they should ALL be boutique guitars let's be honest. What they do make is a guitar that relies on it's name and history to sell to people looking to buy their credibility instead of earning it. It's no different than the kid at school who can't play basketball and shows up in a $150 pair of Nike's for the faux creds. I've seen Joe Satriani play a $100 Yamaha guitar through a $60 kit amp and you know what, he still sounded like Joe Satriani!
On one hand I think your right.They would probably sell but....Would you feel like you had a real Gibson? If they do what they need to do to cut the cost by 2/3 then it's not really a Gibson anymore is it??
Pretty sure the owners of Gibson (KKR & co I'm told, a global investment corporate) will be milking the legend of Gibson in the only way they know how - litigation. To expect them to understand Gibson in historical or musician terms is going to be a big stretch, especially given it's previous mismanagement.
I just purchased a 2019 50’s Goldtop. Wish I could take it back and get a PRS after this fiasco
As a fellow Gibson owner, I hope your 2019 has less problems than my 2011 Explorer. Bridge pickup gave out, neck developed a twist at the heel, had to have the frets pulled, fingerboard leveled, regretted and a new nut. Meanwhile, my 2001 PRS Custom 22 has only been in for setups. I've battered and abused it, and it keeps working. My Explorer is the first and last Gibson I'll ever own.
Aaron Willis sorry to hear that man. I hope and pray my guitar isn’t like that going forward. I sure do love those PRS’s
@@AaronIsLoud I am so glad Gibson put that video out before I made my next purchase! I was literally getting ready to buy a Les Paul (one of the new runs) and an SG as well. Literally within days of me buying 2 Gibson guitars, they put that Agnesi video out. I was torn between Gibson and PRS. Not anymore! I have heard nothing but good about PRS. Guess what I am buying now? You guessed it. PRS and Fender. Which I already own quite a few Fenders. LOVE Fender! But I was wanting Gibson's too. Not anymore. I can't wait to get my new PRS thoiugh! Thanks for the confirmation.
Max Miller isn’t your guitar more important than this fiasco?
pablo9364 I spent $2500 on mine. I want this guitar to not only feel great playing but also represent something I want to be apart of. I didn’t want to spend $2500 to support a fucking bully.
Juxtaposition of that Fender shirt is a god-level troll. 🤣🤣 well done! 🙌🏻🤣🤣
Makes me wanna stick to my Ibanez Prestige and my Charvel San Dimas
I own a handful of prestiges..s and rg ...how are the sandimas compared to them?
The quality and the price is outrageous. There are so many better boutique builders that have amazing attention to detail and give you a better quality guitar for half the price. If they are going to go after dean guitars than they should go after 99% of all the other builders since they all look the same. It's a joke, instead of worrying about taping the head stock and suing everyone, increase your quality and reduce your prices to reclaim all the players whom have left you.
Gibson really screwed the pooch on this one. Bad timing, bad publicity and just a bad look.
They may win in a court of law but not the court of public opinion.
Let the damage control begin.
I worked at Gibson Memphis 2007-2012, just missed ya bro! Its cool to see a former veteran doing well!
I just noticed a sign on the side of one of our (Seattle) commuter buses today that said "Be Authentic!" I've never noticed it before. I think that's a sign the world is coming to an end...
My take on the Gibson thing is they are totally in the wrong. Too many people are excusing them because of the copyright aspect. They should be worried about counterfeiting but no one outside of China is doing that.
You can't copyright a guitar shape. A guitar is functionally simple...a piece of wood, tuners, pickups, bridge, electronics, etc. If you don't want to make Gibson the sole guitar maker then you have to let anyone make whatever they want as long as they don't call it a Gibson.
There were many design elements of the Les Paul before Gibson and there were many design elements used by Fender before their designs as well.
By the Gibson logic, there should be no automobile manufacturers after Ford if Ford patented round tires, chassis without a horse, etc.
@jacktheripped Like Gibson :)
@jacktheripped I agree. Gibson doesn't realize they are just another mass produced guitar company. Nothing special worth wearing a leather jacket over. :)
I rarely pull a Gibson off the rack and play a chord or two on it ever anymore---the ratio of good and bad has flipped over the years,,plus ,tooo many models and way the heck too much money,,u know for all the fuss just not worth it just to play a Gibson.
1. Read the comments.
2. Google O. W. Appleton.
3. Guitar History updated!
oh really? who owns all the patents and copyrights? Gibson. That's who.
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@@infinitelifevideotank9828 We'll see. They already lost the V case in Europe lol. Adios fanboy.
@@bestplans9051 Play the hell outta that $69 Robson Willie! On your $12 solid state Robson amp!! The tone is givin me goosebumps!! Lmfao
@@craigthompson7070 LOL or do you mean my Gretsch G7593T-BD White Falcon through my Roland Blues Cub Stage 60w? Kleenexes are available in the lobby. Or maybe my Ibanez JS1200CA? Jealousy is a sad trait for little boys.
You know...I am a long time Fender/Squire owner...I was actually considering adding a Gibson to the small collection but after this crap they pulled...nah I'll give my money to Fender and possibly Chapman...companies that actually care about the customer.
I think that Mark came across like "Who's your daddy", while simultaneously "$hitting the bed"... you guys should have worn a Gibson t-shirt with tape across the logo with maybe Mark's caricature with that weird evil expression with his eyeballs
Is Mark's involvement with Gibson becoming a PR nightmare for them? Isn't that the second social media material they had to remove, the first one being the IG post where he craped on Fender?
Get Joe Bonamassa to speak his mind about this.
I can see the Gibson execs in a meeting brainstorming after this: Ok so the play authentic thing didn't work. Lets role with the Make Gibson Great Again thing. Hey Mark we have the hats. lol
LMAO and red to boot.
I hope Norm still has his job waiting.
John McLaughlin I would t even hire him if I was Norm. He’s toxic right now!
Pahahaha he'd be lucky if Norm would even be foolish enough to take him back at this point. His credibility in the guitar world is shit! He's always too busy ballwashing Bonamassa anyway.
I've hated Mark since I heard him at Norm's trashing and making fun of Les Paul (the man). Whether you liked his music or not, what right has this nobody got to be disrespectful toward Les?
Has Gibson ever sued ESP guitars for copying the explorer and les paul designs since the 1980's?
Should have
Audio on this video is so bad.
My next guitars going to be a PRS or a pro tele I still love Gibson I'm just pissed if you look at my 2001 ES 135 the build quality is so much better it's just crazy it looks like some beginning luthier made my Les Paul and I know it's the bottom of the line of the American-made but fuck thousand dollars for guitar should be a pretty good one don't you think
Looked like Agnesi was going to cry.....hahaha.
hi i have been playing guitar for 55 years and it was always a dream to get a Gibson lp after years of saving my money i actually was able to get one in 1972 and it was great so as more time went buy and i bought another in 1994 and i love them both dearly. so i bought a 2017 tribute and even thought i like the way it looks it just lacked the type of attention it needed to make me want to play it more . but that's is were the love affair stopped i tried over and over to make it like my other 2 it just never had the sound and detailing i craved . then Mark made the big mistake and it really TURNED ME INSIDE OUT .i have plenty of other guitars in my stable and when Gibson opened the box to pretend to be the leader i said i was done .i WILL NOT EVER BUY ANOTHER GIBSON PRODUCT EVER AGAIN IN MY LIFE !!!!!!!. i GAVE MY 2017 LP TO A KID WHO IS HANDICAPPED WANTS TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY GUITAR I ADMIRE HIS DENATURATION AND I WILL BE GIVING HIM FREE LESSONS FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES.i told him that t want to play better then the guitar itself .my other 2 REAL GIBBONS WERE FROM ANOTHER ERA WHEN OWNING A GIBSON MEANT SOMETHING OF QUALITY .
Mark Agnesi comes off as some type of weird serial killer, huge career L.
His face is perfect for radio😂Gibsons new mgmt. batting .000.
Yeah... I kinda got the impression he drove home in a 1970s conversion van and a box of candy on the passanger seat. Nameen
We feel this video just caught him in a rare crazy WTF moment where the corporate overlords gave a dictate and he was like...oh my...how do I sell this pickle of an idea...
Thanks for the comment and thank you for watching!
Studies have found that many seniors in corporations and large companies are on the sociopath spectrum in terms of traits (luckily, most stop short at the killing trait, but they have the power to destroy people in many other interesting ways)
Hate being judgmental...but seemed like he was coked up and would steal your kids lunch money.
I heard somewhere that Gibson will offer a discount to anyone who will accept delivery of a new guitar with the headstock already broken. You can use the savings to take it to be repaired at a shop of your choice, and it will then be better than new. I think it's a great idea.
What they asked Mark to do was akin to asking a quarterback to completely change his style, resulting in many interceptions
It's more like McDonalds making a video where Ronald McDonald threatens to sue all the other burger joints.
@@amirkhalid5449 Yes, lol 😂, but in using the letter "V" on the Flying V, Gibson has infringed on the trademark ™ & copyright © of the letter V, from the creator of the alphabet... 😁
I wasn't even aware Gibson had real issues until this whole thing came out but man this is next level. Btw, what's up with the super low levels on your videos. I have to crank the volume to hear you guys.
Hahaha just stop into any mom & pop store or a Guitar Center and see for yourself just how poor their quality really is first hand. They all look good hangin up on the wall at first until you actually see the flaws up close with your own eyes. Their bowed necks coming out of the factory are to die for LMAO.
Another "Gibson Authentic" video.
Just what CZcams needs.
The last 150 that are on my recommendations aren't enough...
@@Alongfortheride693 No there's actually some very good reasons for it, all Agnesi did was manage to poor acetone and gasoline into the fire people have been complaining about for MANY years now!
I feel like Collector's Choice Les Pauls are really the only modern ones that nail it. So, really what they should be saying is drop 8 grand like I did, and play almost as authentic as possible. Not all Les Paul's are created equal. That being said I enjoy my Greco EG58 120 immensely. Doesn't hold a candle to my CC #43 - But, it's good. Better than a 2012 custom shop Les Paul.
Man, the backlash is non-stop. This is probably the 100th video I've seen on this
that's because the goobers are jealous of Gibson... all whilst pluckin' their shitty copies.
The backlash is well deserved-Gibson has bankruptcy, quality control and pricing issues. This video basically says they can’t compete on price and quality so they will only compete by suing.
@@treyalexanderhaislip I'm not saying it's undeserved, I'm just amused by it all. They should've seen it coming
I would’ve thought the would’ve seen it coming...but then again it’s the same stupid company that tried to pull off a Gibson Hendrix Strat...tell me more about being “authentic”
@@treyalexanderhaislip That Gibson Strat was unfortunately missing the one thing that would've made it the greatest guitar ever produced... Robo Tuners
I purchased an LP Junior double cut from BYO Guitars. Adding upgraded hardware and electronics - for approximately $400 I've built an axe BETTER than the $1000+ Led Paul's hanging on the wall at Guitar Center (and I still have set up bugs to work out!).
And the cherry on the cake, I sprayed their logo onto the headstock - IN MEMORY OF WHAT GIBSON USED TO BE.
I’m still speechless by their video and move, like 2 days after this fiasco they filed the lawsuit suing Dean, they raised so well lately with amazing guitars and vibes..why the hell they did these moves? It’s a death wish?!
Great video guys 🤘🏻
I build single cuts but incorporated a little of each to create a unique body ,does that count, the lower half looks like a Gibson less Paul and the top looks like the 50's k and I created a whole different body out of it as far as overall look and I create that same body using wood and epoxy resin
At least it gave the angry neverbeens on The Geezer Page, something “different” to rant about.
OK, millennial.
2:49 "I was there Gandalf, I was there 3000 years ago"
It's a sick joke, and mark is the last person I would feel sorry for. #panzie 😂
I'm not legal expert what so ever, but from what I was able to google out is that any patent Gibson might have have on those legendary designs as "Les Paul" are long gone expired, and all of those threats are empty.
If I'm not mistaken in US, longest you can hold rights on patent is 17 years, and for design it is 15.
US patent regulations are quite complicated, and US Patent and Trademark Office on their site does provide Patent Term Calculator to help with calculating how long your patent is valid.
This is so messed up I am know even hating Mary Ford for no known reason
Any reshoot needs to have the Hendrix strat hanging in the background.
Subject: good/ok
Content: blah blah blah ( for 10 whole minutes)
Motive: long promotion (read in the low right corner of video)
Couldn't agree with you more on the qc. That's why Drew(bought the custom aqua blue prs 24 ce you guys had.) went with the prs. If you're gonna put that much money into a guitar. Why turn around and pay more to have it set up, just to be playable. Keep up the awesome content guys.
$250,000 per year as a corporate VP will make a man do and say things they don't necessarily believe.
haha that's an understatement
Agreed and we think this was just a momentary mental lapse...at least that's what were hoping:) Thank you for watching and thank you for the comment!
Then you also accept the responsibility for reputation going to shit with your paycheck! Credibility rating now? ZERO!
Is that what happens when you leave sunny Southern California?
Baxter - you’re too old now to keep combing your hair with a rock. Buy a comb. I’m authentic.
I try try and try and no matter what that silly stuff just keeps going whichever direction it will. So at this point we leave it to the will of the Gods on how ridiculous I may look each and every day. Sincere thanks for the comment and thank you for watching!
Casino Guitars Try Brylcreem
I work in an auto service center, and out of 10 cars, 6 are playing rap and hip hop, maybe 2 cars country, and 1 car is playing rock and classic pop. I miss rock based music being mainstream.
I had a second hand Les Paul Custom Lite that I bought for $1,400. I was so excited to have finally have a Gibson, but the neck just seemed too thick and cramped my hand. It looked cool, but my Ltd EC1000 just felt and played better to me.
I think the studios should be $899, the classics $1,499, maybe $1,899 for a standard, and $2,200 for a custom. I get they want to be a luxury brand, but they are only targeting a small part of the market that is getting smaller by doing so. Just my opinion.
Chris M What is the 10th car playing?
@@articwhite653 Montavani lol.
The 10th car is playing Mariachi music!
@@chrism2198 LOL :)
9 minutes into this video ( Nice hair btw ) and I still don't know what you're talking about, as you do not actually say it. As if you assume that we saw that video. Well done....thanks for stealing these 10 minutes from my precious time and have a wonderful day dudes.....unbelievable....
I really don’t care about the politics of this. I’ve had a Gibson Les Paul for 30 years and it’s by far my favorite of all the guitars I’ve owned. If I had my choice of a new guitar today, it would be a new Gibson Les Paul. The QC has definitely improved. Their new 50’s and 60’s Standards look fantastic. No problems here.
I bought a new sg Junior, literally better than my 63 sg Junior.
How is one going to “play authentic” if they don’t build and sell authentic ? 😂🤷🏻♂️
Brand only ego without actually backing the prices with the old original build quality can do what is happening to a company now.
We'll see plenty of taped guitars on the youtubes!
I am gonna do mine, but hey its a Gretsch.
Im a Gibson guy but really have a tempt to tape the logo on my guitars too...
I call it "The Mark Agnesi Logo"
Mark is new to the Corporate World. He just started. The Video
was the result of an ill thought marketing meeting and Mark probably had little choice but to do the spot... I hope.
But it would do Mark well to explain his performance.
Peace
Sorry but he's on the board, he's not just a company mouthiece. He had a little more say given that position than to simply be their water carrier!
Gibson stole the Les Paul!!!
from OW Appleton
Prove that bullshit.
O.W. Appleton showed his single cut solid body guitar to gibson 7 years before the les paul, they told him it wouldn’t bear any weight and nobody would buy it
Gibson bought the right from les paul which was going to epiphone at the time for the log, "the log" if you must know is the guitar that mostly resembled a true les paul design
Thomas that's not proof do you even know what proof is. So we should believe all the nonsense in your head.
1,2,3 Boycott !
Everyone is overreacting to this video. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with what Gibson and Mark Agnesi said in the video. They’re trying to bounce back from prior management destroying one of the quintessential American guitar brands, and unscrupulous people pirating their intellectual property isn’t good for any of us. I expected better from y’all.
I actually agree that there's really nothing wrong with WHAT they said, it's just HOW they said it and, of course, I definitely don't like the idea of anyone pirating intellectual property. I think the point we, or at least I, was trying to make was that a statement like that doesn't really help them bounce back, which we all want to see. Like one of the other comments, it could've been a much more positive statement instead of a "you've been warned statement." Anyways, thanks for watching and for leaving a thoughtful comment that brings up a different way to see it.
You don’t bounce back from bad management with more bad management.
Having a conversation about intellectual property rights on social media was a mistake.
Welcome to the internet where sanity is in short supply and outrage is the drug of choice. From a marketing perspective it was a complete blunder but I wonder how the pitchfork wielding mob would feel about someone borrowing their design to profit off of? Im not talking about just Gibson and I understand there is some controversy as to the origin of their projects design. Should we just toss out all patent, copyright, and trademark law and allow me or you to start producing anything we want to the detriment of say the artist who created the painting?
There is something wrong. Dean has been making those guitars for 40 some years. And decides to go after them now. WtF. And the hypocrisy of making that dumb Hendrix strat. AGNESI going off the rails giddy over a 70s Ibanez Flying V on guitar of the day. The fact that several CZcams influencer trolls that make a career on talking trash are leaving this alone because they are buddies with Agnesi. The fact that they took the video down and haven’t commented. Fender has allowed the strat and Tele to be copied. Guess what the strat is still the biggest selling guitar. Gibson could let people copy designs and be like “. Look ours is the real deal. They don’t do that because the copies are better and much cheaper. I was a fan of Agnesi I also had hopes. Now I hope they go down.
Just over a year ago I bought a new Gibson Les Paul Faded model from Sam Ash at an "Off The Wall" sale for $620. Sure it was a little over a year old model that had not sold, but it was new with all the goodies and a gig bag. I got a new 100% real USA Les Paul for a great price! If they could sell this model for $800, Specials for $700 and Juniors for $600, Gibson would own the guitar market. That would help with brand loyalty and then the next guitar could be a Custom or Standard. Fender has done this succesfully with Squire, MIM, USA & Custom Shop for years. Invest in CNC machines and start cranking out USA made guitars!!!!
Should have worn a Dean shirt 😂😂
PRS
The Fender shirt killed me. 🤣
In my opinion Gibson USA has not improved their quality
They are certainly not Memphis or the custom shop
I own two custom shop Gibson's at 4 Memphis semi-hollow bodies all are great guitars
The Gibson USA Les Paul's are not worth a damn
I'm more than half way watching this video and I still don't know what Mark Agnesi said in that video that you are talking about.
The best video title I’ve seen in a long time.
It's like going to a high end restaurant ordering dinner and getting the same thing you could order at the diner down the street for less money, now it's just on a fancy plate.
ESP and PRS single cuts are so much better than Gibson’s les Paul. Les paul NEVER stays in tune longer than 5 minutes. ESP AND PRS DOES. ESP and PRS haVE stellar playability over Gibson. ALL sound great but PRS has the slight edge. Just get a PRS or ESP SINGLE-CUT. You can’t go wrong.
do ya'll have anyone doing the audio for your videos? no malice intended just genuinely curious :)
guys,, check out the new Boaz One guitar,,, it would be cool to hear what you guys think.
Gibson was shown a solid body single cut electric guitar very similar to the Les Paul in 1942 by O.W. Appleton APP Guitar and mandolins in the 19th century were using the open book head stock. Gibson is not the pure at heart guitar company. I even saw a triple neck ukulele style setup with a V head stock in the centre. Gibson may come out of this with a nice shiner.
Wearing a Fender TShirt like they were any better. Recall Fender sued Leo Fender’s G&L just for the shape of the original G&L headstock.
Curious to see this channels name “casino guitars “ but there is no casino hanging on the wall.
We got the name because our building used to be an old casino in the early 1900's the upstairs was a brothel!!! :)
Hey dudes, chill out. Obviously the dials on your amp are not set at the noon position. Start with that and then see how you feel.