Backbreaker's Forgotten Sequel
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- čas přidán 14. 12. 2023
- Backbreaker 2: Vengeance no longer exists. I’m serious. Here’s a great video if you want to learn more about “the gray zone”: • Emulation, the Law, an...
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It sucks when they do digital only games because this leads to lost media when they decide to take them off from the market places. Like I have the X-Men arcade game on my Xbox 360 but can't access it on my Xbox One.
Think about early mobile games for iOS or Android. Games like the original Backbreaker or Flappy Bird or the original Angry Birds just vanish from the App Store and there’s no easy way to preserve these types of games.
@@SOFTDRINKTVOriginal Angry Birds did come back but with more levels and slight tweaks. But good point.
Same goes with games made to advertise products like Yaris and Doritoes Crash Course 1 & 2.
Damn, backbreaker had phenomenal physics. If only madden could.
And the crazy thing They have two systems since this game
It didn't have the best physics though but it was unique. I still have the og backbreaker
@@knitro9043 I'm so ashamed of my drug addiction. Every system I got I sold for drugs. I got PlayStation 3 in 2015 just when they were going on a style LOL. but I've been clean for almost 7 years. I cherish my playstation four I can't wait to get a p s five
Madden could… they just choose not to
@@abdulbutlerjr.2194like they really could. Look at ncaa 14 for example. The physics were there and no so animation based. Hit sticks actually looked and sounded like a HIT😂
"That damn camera angle." I bought this game when it came out because I am a lifer 2k football fan that was looking for Madded alternative. The only thing that kept me from not playing this game only to this day is the camera angle. Think about that? This game is incredible and I wish it was traditional style with that option.
Honestly the camera angle was only part of the problems this game had
Just goes to show why game preservation is so important. Thank goodness for emulation
this game being a digital only game that literally does not exist anymore honestly scares the shit out of me, cause this can happen to any digital game.
Yup better stay with physical
@@THE.CHIEF616Physical isn’t even safe anymore… look at gt7… it’s all dependent on servers. Once they go down like gt sport is about too, it will be USELESS!!!!
Modern gaming- you will own nothing and be happy.
@@THE.CHIEF616 yep
Thank goodness for emulators
@@PlaystationThree60 what emulator can i get this from
I looooved this game when I was a teenager. Every single friend I showed it to loved it too. It was the perfect mix of intense gameplay and goofy ragdoll physics. Not too many games can have a room go from locked-in to pissing their pants laughing in a few seconds.
It gives me goosebumps everytime some get the soul tackled out of them.
THIS GAME WAS MY CHILDHOOD! I had asked for Backbreaker 1 for my birthday one year we couldnt find it and I got this I was disappointed at first but the more i played this game the more i fell in love! It’s still on my 360 to this day!
Thank you for getting me into all these old sports game softdrink im having so much fun with something as simple as play now and it’s awesome
I suspect there was some underhandedness involved with the fail of Backbreaker by EA not wanting any competition and they possibly paid game reviewers to crap all over this game and say it was a bad poorly made game. I may be wrong but probably not.
There was, I visited Natural Motion in Oxford back then to beta test the mobile version. One of the Devs basically said that EA did not want competition and put every obstacle possible using their connects in the industry to bury the game.
Love the content on these older games.
I just checked my 360 E that I got last Christmas’s marketplace, and I can still get “Vengeance” there for $15. I live in the US.
Can you actually install and play the game though? I’ve heard you can’t but I did see the game on the website for the Xbox Marketplace. There’s just a chance you’d waste $15 if it doesn’t work, and I’ve asked around and been told it doesn’t. But they could be wrong
@@SOFTDRINKTV I’m kinda trying to save money by avoiding impulse purchases for the month, but I have to assume that it’s playable upon purchase and installation.
That's what I would think too but I asked on a forum and was told it still wouldn't work. Either way the Xbox 360 Marketplace is closing next year
@@SOFTDRINKTV unless its an online only game and the server was shut down, i don't see why it wouldn't work. They can't sell games that dont work. it would've been removed
Still better than madden physics wise til this day. Definitely should’ve been a remaster or 2nd installment
I remember playing vengeance after trying to find the original backbreaker game. Played it at a friend's house once and tried to revisit it a few years later and boom, vengeance. It was pretty fun I miss it
The Grey Zone 😂 Those are the best tackling animations Ive ever seen on a football game
Man I loved backbreaker
i actually got vengeance before i got the original. made me want the game more but then i lost the original and now trying to get it back. this game entertains me while i wait. i wish this game would have more videos and recognition
I still have Backbreaker Vengeance downloaded on my Xbox 360 after all these years. Didn’t realize it’s somewhat hard to play now.
Can you still download it from the store ?
@@spiritualkai7149 apparently not.
Yes you can
That title confused the heck out of me lol
I'm not sure why a re-skinned version of this game (with official NFL licensing) hasn't been released by 2K, yet. Would be a pretty cool release, IMO (plus it would allow them to gauge interest in an 'arcade' release).
Your channel is the best. I play old sports games on ps1 through ps4. So many gems! Picked up Backbreaker about a year ago. It is a lot of fun and wish I would have known about this way back when. Now not only do I lament not downloading NHL 3 on 3 arcade for PS3, but now this one too! Softmodding my PS3 is a no go though!
Played this game for HOURS pulling all nighters with my god brothers. Man I love those memories
Your back making videos! 😄
I cant wait for the wildcard football review from soft drink
a backbreaker sequel, interesting.
remember the NFL licensed backbreaker phone game
Never got to play backbreaker but always wanted to
Can you please talk about Ncaa 12 and Ncaa 13
Sad to Consider that since natural motion is owned by take 2 this would have been a part of future 2k football and hockey games if they hadnt given up on the ips
wow
All Pro 2k9 would've been crazy with that euphoria engine attached to 2k football models.
The goat
I remember back breaker on the old ipod and i had it on the 360 this game was fun asf
Fun Fact: A studio called Zynga owns natural motion and 2k bought Zynga
Put the 2 N 2 together 😉
Yeah the reason he cant give links to how to download it because CZcams is hypersensitive to anything suggesting piracy
I had a video get deleted on another channel showing how to play an old mobile game on modern phones
Great video btw 😄
I played this on my friends old iPod thing and it was the most fun mobile game ever that I have played
I've been playing Backbreaker faithfully recently after figuring out the learning curve and i recently complete all 100 levels of tackle alley in less than hour
W video bro!
Ohh yeah i have the Demo for it.. its so sadd... i also want someone to upload the ambience in the og backbreaker title screen it still gives me chills
Hopefully you’ll review Blitz The League 2 soon
I just bought vengeance 2 months ago for my 8 years birthday. He absolutely loves rocking it with his friends. For him it's all about the "juking".
Never forgot i only played it twice could never buy it and sucks i cnt now cause i would have hell its quite a few dlc's and games you cant buy anymore such as this and nba 2k10 draft combine being older i cam appreciate these alot more
I usually buy the discs for the system
Game was so fun I lost the disc a long time ago 😢
This use to be my favourite game when it came out. Me and my kids had a blast with the multi player. Highly under rated game. And if it was available on ps store I'd purchase it again.
Oh I played this on 360 and got all the achievements. Love it.
Happy too say I still own and play it on my xbox 360
I played this game so much as a kid. I have at least 400 hours on it.
All they gotta do is make both backbreakers backwards compatible, we need at least one more sequel with more customization, more in depth season mode, new animations, custom player builds and more game options like different camera angles for the new casuals💯 sequel should be called backbreaker resurgence🔥🔥
I remember playing the demos of both game whwn i was young but i never had the actual money to buy it
I had this game on the 360. Grand ole time
Someone’s probably pointed this out already, but it’s still available on the US 360 marketplace. But of course that won’t be true come July.
I’m glad I kept my copy 😊
I live in Europe and I can confirm it is purchasable here, I've bought it today on my Xbox 360 and I am glad to have done that as the marketplace goes down in July. However a bigger problem for me is hunting down an European copy of the original Backbreaker for X360, in my country whenever one goes up they're relatively cheap but I don't see any offers right now. I will try buying it some day.
I played Backbreaker at launch, because it was one of the most hyped video games of my whole life, and I can attest that the negative reviews were not a simple matter of reviewers being bad at sports games without the handicap of the overhead "Madden camera". The launch version of Backbreaker (which is the version most reviewers played), was pretty horrible. Runners would often ragdoll if they simply grazed a defensive player, linemen couldn't block more than a second, QBs were horribly inaccurate, receivers couldn't catch, DBs intercepted almost every pass that was contested, the kicking game didn't feel intuitive, the opponent A.I. was horrible and made stupid decisions, and the difficulty levels were way out of whack. On the easy and normal difficulties, the A.I. put up no resistance to the player whatsoever, and I would win all the games by 30 or 40 points. On the hardest difficulty, however, all the problems above would kick in, making it nearly impossible to move the ball. But the CPU offenses was still so inept that if you scored at all, you'd probably still win. Want a 0-0 tie? Play an unpatched match of Backbreaker on the hardest difficulty level. After months of patches, the gameplay did get a lot better, but it was never great.
As for the camera angle, I would agree with contemporary reviewers that it was problematic. In real life, players can quickly turn their head to look at different players or reads on the field, and people have peripheral vision, directional hearing, and other senses that give us greater awareness of what's going on around us. This is why a real-life QB can "sense pressure" and run away from a defensive end who beat his block, even if the QB isn't actually looking at the defender, because people in real life have a good sense for what's going on around them. The camera in Backbreaker offered a very limited field of vision, and there were no on-screen indicators to give users a feel for if a tackler is running right at you from off-screen. First person shooters usually have those little red bloodstains on the edges of the screen to indicate what direction enemy shots are coming from, which is an abstract simulation of peripheral vision, directional hearing, and so forth. Something like that would have gone a long way towards making Backbreaker more playable. Or even having the controller vibrate on one side or the other to indicate the direction of the pass rush would have been a useful (and immersive) feature. But the complete lack of peripheral awareness made passing from the pocket way harder than it needed to be. On the hardest difficulty, you likely wouldn't even have time to to get to the second read before you're sacked.
About the only thing that Backbreaker had going for it was the physics, which were really good. In fact, it might *still* have the best physics of any football game then or since. But the actual *football game* that was built around those physics was not very good. I will say that despite how bad the original release was, it is a horrible shame that it never got a full sequel. The foundation was great, and an extra year or 2 of development to implement better football would have made a huge difference, and might actually have produced a genuinely good game.
This! I remember playing the game when it came out and I had the same exact issues as you and the reviewers did. The patches did help but it just made it slightly better to pass, but not by much.
@@Ayo601 and even then, it was kind of a "too little, too late" kinda situation. I came back and tried it again like 6 months later, and it was much better. But the poor state of the game at launch killed any hopes of financial success.
@@Ayo601yeah your right still have my og copy was so hard to play season
Damn tackling look solid af
Where were you able to find NBA 2k10 Draft Combine the full unlocked version? I have searched everywhere to no avail....only the trial I have been able to locate
Was that “exaggerated swagger” part a jab at ign😭😭
It was actually a GameSpot review where the guy said that about Miles Morales, but yes that was a reference to it lmao
@@SOFTDRINKTVwhoever said Miles got “exaggerated swagger” is criminal 😭 that game is good tho 🤷🏼♂️
Have you made a video about blitz the league?
I liked playing it back then
Yes: czcams.com/video/TZ6bMfrgfvs/video.htmlsi=WvwsSn_KvuPZ6h8h
Backbreaker with some proper fine tuning, could've been an amazing game. Had a ton of potential.
Imagine how great the world would be if we had a free energy source. The powers that be will never let that happen. Same thing happened to football video gaming.
l feel like at some point ea or 2k will use this idea in the sports genre. One thing I always used to wonder growing up on 2K was If they made a first person camera. Backbreaker definitely was a big what if though
There's quarterback attack but it's one of those games made of live-action clips so it's very limited. Also espn nfl and 2k5 first person mode
Looks like Madden 25 graphics with Madden 50 physics
That's why Emulation is so important. There are so many games that are gonna die when all the Digital store for the 7th gen consoles finally fade away. Emulation keeps all these amazing games alive.
They need to come back I reached out to them company a few times asking them on social media
I had this game on my moms old smartphone i think. Missed my grandparents entire 50th anniversary party sitting in the corner playing it 😂
I'd honestly love to see Rockstar make use of the euphoria engine for a new football/sports game. Imagine what they could do
Oh so they made this a download only
I preferred the camera angle, it meant you had to be better, and was way more immersive. I wish there was a similar camera angle in Madden
I never even played Backbreaked but that game was goated.
It's actually still available on the Xbox Marketplace.
5 months of waiting for madden 05 on the tap wave zodiac 😂😅
I found it on the 360 store
Next up: NFL BLITZ (PS1)
Did ratings matter much in this game, or the original back breaker? Like if you had a big bruiser running back with high weight and trucking ability, did it actually make him harder to bring down? Or tall receivers with amazing hands, did they drop less balls?
I still play this game on my Xbox 360 console
Literally if this game had franchise no other changes it would have been worth the money
I used to only play vengeance mode and barge or dive tackle the ball carrier as he hurdled. Then watch the replay 100x😂😂😂
Euphoria engine ? How appropriate
how do you get it please tell me
They all run like 300lb linemen
Good thing i bought it in july
exaggerated swagger of a guy with an 8 pack XDDDDD
I just got this on Xbox 360 online store and it's May of 2024 it's 1499 so I don't understand how it's not available on Xbox? You can still buy it!
HEY HEEEYYYYY YOU CHOSE TO REVIEW IT'S SEQUEL! GREAT CHOICE!
I’ve got a modded PS3 this is my mission to find now
I haven’t played back breaker and vengeance for like 9 years after my Xbox broke 😢 I’m looking for 1 so I can play this again
I downloaded it before it got taken off psn! It's fantastic I just wish you could have played actual games not just mini games like takle alley
Except it is available…I literally just saw it on the Xbox 360 store last night.
Bro this was a w game 🔥🤩
Forget GTA 6 I WANT BACKBREAKER 3
can anyone help i cant find a full verison of this for my "compeletly legal" copy can some one help?
emulation is literally the only way to preserve games in general at this point, mobile games are probably even more difficult to find after they get taken down. companies are dumb for that smh
Damn the intro to start the video was incredible. Not gonna lie, I played backbreaker as a little kid and while the gameplay was amazing, as a little kid I just didn't see anything that special in backbreaker to be honest but know looking back at it, the game was definitely good
I’m pretty sure while at my grandpas house i accidentally downloaded this game instead of the original backbreaker I guess that xbox 360 is now worth a lot
👍👍
What emulator is it? Does it work on mobile?
Even if it sold physical copies, I wouldn’t even bother due to the lack of game features. The original always ages well.
Vengeance was never meant to be BB2. It is not a sequel and was never advertised that way
Damn 😂
If anyone can find the full game PKG and not the demo please let me know
Back when new videogame tech made developers think "how can we use this to make a fun game" rather than pushing buzz on 12% shinier ray tracing.