Confronting Mortality | "The View from Halfway Down" Explained

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  • @Johnny2Cellos
    @Johnny2Cellos  Před 4 lety +16843

    At 2:39 I say "Alkali is a chemical compound that's typically corrosive" which IS WRONG AND BAD SCIENCE and all of the science commenters are rightfully mad at me about it. Alkali is a class of chemicals, not a chemical compound itself. Thanks for calling me out, yall.

    • @realpoopoo
      @realpoopoo Před 4 lety +35

      Johnny 2 Cellos horse

    • @pawelnowak5633
      @pawelnowak5633 Před 4 lety +231

      oh, to be honest we know what you meant :)

    • @pedroaires35
      @pedroaires35 Před 4 lety +61

      @@pawelnowak5633 no we don't, only people who can't grasp basic chemistry appears to understand what he means with the improper use of it

    • @pawelnowak5633
      @pawelnowak5633 Před 4 lety +355

      @@pedroaires35 alright mate, if you're gonna be literal with every word writen then yes. when he said that, literally anyone who knows what an alkali is knew what he meant, an alkali is a basic compound. alkali compounds do exist. for example NaOH is a basic compound. or pyridine if you know what that is. the only wrong thing was the fact it was singular and not plural. if you're getting angry over that then you probably also get angry when people use rings to indicate benzene's.

    • @pedroaires35
      @pedroaires35 Před 4 lety +13

      @@pawelnowak5633 do you realise that words have meaning and it's not being literal but going by what they mean, right? I can't throw affirmations like "good", or "well explained" in this video because it wouldn't match that those expressions/words mean, right?

  • @alejandroalvarado3409
    @alejandroalvarado3409 Před 4 lety +31428

    Bojack realizes that he's drowning in the pool exactly at the minute 17, the same time that he waited to call for help for Sarah Lynn.

  • @jorgeaguilar8431
    @jorgeaguilar8431 Před 4 lety +18303

    Also, bojack constantly mentions that his bottle of water tastes like chlorine, pools have chlorine, it's what he's drowning on, his "last drink"

    • @chickencurry420
      @chickencurry420 Před 3 lety +2033

      Every character was eating the last thing they ate before they died. Herb was eating peanuts, Crackerjack had a ration, etc. And Zach Braff was killed to be eaten so instead of eating anything, he's serving everybody their food

    • @emman.7612
      @emman.7612 Před 3 lety +117

      Zak Jet ONFG THATS SO COOL

    • @crazycute38
      @crazycute38 Před 3 lety +42

      woooow wtffff

    • @mnbn
      @mnbn Před 3 lety +209

      i noticed this when i rewatched the epsode for the first time and im just. in awe at that BLATANT foreshadowing that the first time around i just completely missed

    • @chickencurry420
      @chickencurry420 Před 3 lety +44

      @@emman.7612 Thanks, I wish I could take credit for that discovery but that was pointed out to me in a youtube video somewhere. I forget the name so I can't credit them properly (I wanna say the video was by Savage Books? or Savage Reading? Something like that?)

  • @liv-bv3pl
    @liv-bv3pl Před 2 lety +4421

    The fact that he brought sarah lynn to the door as a symbol of him literally leading her to her death is perfection.

    • @rowanheart8122
      @rowanheart8122 Před rokem +164

      Especially since he leads her there in her child form, because it was his show that set her on the path of fame, the path of alcoholism and drugs, and the path of death. And she was too young to understand what she was signing up for.

    • @heyitsally7995
      @heyitsally7995 Před 7 měsíci +22

      I also think that it shows how Sarah Lynn’s death is what led Bojack to this point.

  • @smurfcooper22
    @smurfcooper22 Před 2 lety +12917

    I think Sarah Lynn’s song starting very innocent and then very quickly turning into very sexualized and provocative is a really good metaphor for her life

    • @chelseywithaney9219
      @chelseywithaney9219 Před 2 lety +198

      and the white hands on her breasts and area :( and how her step dad also molested her :((

    • @flcwerz.for.meowmeow
      @flcwerz.for.meowmeow Před 2 lety +20

      @@chelseywithaney9219 wait he did?

    • @lialia-dt7yx
      @lialia-dt7yx Před 2 lety +1091

      @@flcwerz.for.meowmeow she tastes some fur and says “it’s bear fur, my stepdad was a bear” meaning part of his body was in her mouth at one point. She also says that he was a photographer which is a common way to say someone works in child pronorgaphy

    • @flcwerz.for.meowmeow
      @flcwerz.for.meowmeow Před 2 lety +148

      @@lialia-dt7yx oh shit

    • @marthedreamer7629
      @marthedreamer7629 Před 2 lety +935

      @@flcwerz.for.meowmeow There's an episode with a flashback of Sara Lynn in the Horsing Around set and she mentions she doesn't want to go back to her dressing room because her stepfather was acting weird :(

  • @drko88
    @drko88 Před 4 lety +15079

    You forgot that Hydrangea is poisonous to horses

    • @Johnny2Cellos
      @Johnny2Cellos  Před 4 lety +2547

      I actually didn't know! Thanks for commenting, really cool

    • @WobblesandBean
      @WobblesandBean Před 4 lety +997

      To be fair, hydrangea is poisonous to pretty much everything.

    • @Nickelballsky
      @Nickelballsky Před 4 lety +1496

      Also Sarah Lynn falls backwards through the door because she didn't see her death coming

    • @eriklamela4321
      @eriklamela4321 Před 4 lety +331

      Micheal Sondag, as well as Crackerjack

    • @tomo4977
      @tomo4977 Před 4 lety +229

      I love alot of the art references in BoJack too. like Hockney's reference, but also the Basquiat pieces in Herb's room. As well as it referencing unrequited love between Warhole and Basquiat (Herb and BoJack) I also feel that since Basquiat was also a really talented artist who died young from addiction and mental health issues, I kinda see how parts of him relate to BoJack as well!

  • @manofcorn5930
    @manofcorn5930 Před 4 lety +14758

    Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet: When Secretariat is giving his poem he goes from 3rd person, to 2nd person, to 1st person.
    3.. 2.. 1..

  • @spockman4250
    @spockman4250 Před 2 lety +2343

    I know some people complained that Bojack should have died here, but I think it’s far more important that he lived. Two of the most recurring themes of this show is that you can’t escape the consequences of your actions and you can’t always find closure. But in terms of the story that would have given the audience both of those things. Bojack would never face the consequences of his actions and we the audience would have gotten closure on the character because he died. It would have been an “ending” to Bojack’s story, something that show stresses doesn’t exist in real life. Even when Bojack goes to jail, they say that he’ll be out in a few months to show that even that “comeuppance” will end and he’ll keep having to move forward. I would argue that “Life’s a bitch and then you keep living” is one of the biggest messages of the show as a whole.

    • @shreknskrubgaming7248
      @shreknskrubgaming7248 Před rokem +80

      I actually think the final episode gave me more of a sense of closure than I would have gotten if he had died. Maybe it's because I was heavily invested in the other characters as well and liked seeing their stories play out, but the ending we got left me much more satisfied and answered a lot more questions. We may not know exactly how all of their lives will play out, but we know the situations that they're in. It felt more like a complete journey for all of the characters, Bojack included, and left me hopeful for all of them. If the series had ended with his death, it would have been much less satisfying for Bojack's arc and would have left me wondering "what about all the other characters? Why bother building up a unique story with all of them and then never giving them a solid conclusion?" It just feels more like a real ending this way.

    • @Ross516
      @Ross516 Před rokem +34

      @@shreknskrubgaming7248 I was honestly about to make this exact comment. It annoys me to a degree when people say this should have been the last episode, or would have been the better one- Bojack doesn't get that easy way out. He has to deal with the life he's lived and fix it.

    • @jacobvaughanthomas
      @jacobvaughanthomas Před rokem +14

      The show stresses that endings don’t happen until the point of death, that their is always the days after the happy ending and that inevitably you retreat into the normal human experience

    • @christopherknowles
      @christopherknowles Před 5 měsíci +3

      I think that this episode really shows that suicide is the correct choice and BoJack screwed that up too just like he fucks everything up.

    • @sawderf741
      @sawderf741 Před 4 měsíci +1

      ​@@shreknskrubgaming7248This ending is pretty much the opposite to how Horsing around ended.

  • @FuckTheYoutubeUsernameChange
    @FuckTheYoutubeUsernameChange Před 2 lety +13516

    I also think Beatrice's exit shows how dementia affected her. Unlike the other characters, she never went through the door herself. She was already gone. And Herb's exit shows how cancer was eating him up, consuming him whole. The symbolism in this episode is just so great, it's the best episode in the series, if not one of the best pieces of media ever.

    • @captainhannes4583
      @captainhannes4583 Před 2 lety +894

      And Sarah Lynn held her nose while entering the tar. I've heard people say that's a reference to her death, since she died of a heroin overdose, and people who OD on heroin stop breathing.
      Also another one, BJ left her in the planetarium for 17 minutes. In that penultimate episode, BJ's realisation that he's probably dead hits at exactly 17 minutes. That's no accident.

    • @ImTheAeroNaut
      @ImTheAeroNaut Před 2 lety +100

      herb died because of a peanut allergie

    • @FuckTheYoutubeUsernameChange
      @FuckTheYoutubeUsernameChange Před 2 lety +214

      @@ImTheAeroNaut yeah, but cancer was still eating him from the inside

    • @xc5842
      @xc5842 Před 2 lety +47

      @@FuckTheCZcamsUsernameChange no he was cured. how could you forget such sweet sweet irony

    • @angelikajoy5673
      @angelikajoy5673 Před 2 lety +152

      @@xc5842 he still had cancer at some point. it was still slowly eating him. maybe it didn’t finish physically, but it already killed him inside long before his bodies death

  • @AshrujitGhoshal001
    @AshrujitGhoshal001 Před 4 lety +30975

    I think Secretariat reading 'The View from Halfway Down' in the episode is the strongest anti-suicide message I have ever seen.

    • @nishkaghzala762
      @nishkaghzala762 Před 4 lety +887

      Yeah
      It's my motto now
      Can't get it out of my head

    • @bojackthetrustworthy736
      @bojackthetrustworthy736 Před 4 lety +1322

      Ashrujit Ghoshal as someone who attempted suicide in a similar way,it really makes me cry cuz it was like what I was feeling deep down.

    • @thehellhound8582
      @thehellhound8582 Před 4 lety +702

      @@bojackthetrustworthy736 Hope you're doing better now and good luck. Find meaning in life, even if to other people it's insignificant. I personally deal with life by just being nice, watching someone smile and be grateful for even a little thing is really nice. Now keep on living or you'll truly regret the view from halfway down.

    • @cottagebirder
      @cottagebirder Před 4 lety +352

      Honestly I wept whilst watching that part of the episode

    • @moneymaker3208
      @moneymaker3208 Před 4 lety +353

      Ashrujit Ghoshal that was my favorite part of the episode. Very moving. And the door pressuring him to jump was so powerful. He wasn’t ready to die just like in his real life. :(

  • @sprytefox
    @sprytefox Před 4 lety +9204

    The darkness is a metaphor for darkness.

  • @danoconnor2167
    @danoconnor2167 Před 2 lety +4803

    One thing that I just realised is that Sarah Lynn’s implied abusive stepfather is a bear. Male bears have no parental instinct and often kill their cubs.

    • @knucklesskinner253
      @knucklesskinner253 Před 2 lety +20

      @@juno1752 could very well be that too

    • @yolandasierra1703
      @yolandasierra1703 Před 2 lety +6

      @@juno1752 same

    • @aesthetics7649
      @aesthetics7649 Před 2 lety +31

      Yeah it’s more likely a pedo bear reference because one of Hollyhock’s dads is a bear and he seems very parental

    • @ThePomeranianPrince
      @ThePomeranianPrince Před 2 lety +459

      @@aesthetics7649 It’s most likely a reference to Terry Richardson, a photographer who has been outed for a lot of sexual misconduct related cases. He ended up leaving the industry in 2018.
      So…Bear-y Richardson.
      (it also makes sense considering Sarah Lynn does mention Richardson being a photographer.)

    • @ginao6810
      @ginao6810 Před rokem +65

      @@ThePomeranianPrince I thought this too. Plus, the glasses the bear wears…. Terry’s signature

  • @lazulidrawzalot0616
    @lazulidrawzalot0616 Před rokem +1211

    Fun fact: if you watch the credits of the episode, after the monitor flatlines, it pauses, and then beeps 16 times. If you want to count the flatline beep, it would be 17. 17 minutes into the episode, BoJack finds out he’s dead, and 17 minutes is also the amount of time he waited to call the cops after Sarah Lynn overdosed.

    • @hauntedteethcupboard
      @hauntedteethcupboard Před 7 měsíci +128

      17 was also the age that penny was when he took advantage of her

    • @nationalinstituteofcheese3012
      @nationalinstituteofcheese3012 Před 7 měsíci +98

      @@hauntedteethcupboard17 is a very important number in this show

    • @Radicalpea6971
      @Radicalpea6971 Před 6 měsíci +14

      I love noticing these kinds of things later

    • @winglessfairy564
      @winglessfairy564 Před 4 měsíci

      @@nationalinstituteofcheese3012cheese

    • @claudiac.906
      @claudiac.906 Před 3 měsíci +7

      what the fuckkkkk my mind is blown this show deserves all the recognition

  • @hipersonicc9736
    @hipersonicc9736 Před 3 lety +10008

    You probably already know this, but a cool detail:
    Bojack found out he was dead 17 minutes into the episode, the same
    amount of time he left Sarah-Lynn in the planetarium

  • @wishyrater
    @wishyrater Před 4 lety +9890

    I actually just noticed that the setting where Sarah Lynn is sitting under the table and Bojack gives her a harsh lesson is EXACTLY the same position young Bojack sits in when Beatrice tells him to sing the lolipop song. They truly nailed how abuse, neglect and depression becomes cyclic.

    • @pitchthewoo
      @pitchthewoo Před 4 lety +363

      I can't believe I never noticed that until this video. Blew my mind.

    • @Johnny2Cellos
      @Johnny2Cellos  Před 4 lety +543

      I noticed when I was editing, such a great detail

    • @cv2594
      @cv2594 Před 4 lety +17

      Never noticed that

    • @subjectnivleis7572
      @subjectnivleis7572 Před 4 lety +81

      @@Johnny2Cellos he sits under the table again when on the phone :(

    • @justjess6636
      @justjess6636 Před 4 lety +34

      This show's ability to add in this much detail is amazing. We should definitely try to support the artists and writers on this one.

  • @lukebalod3809
    @lukebalod3809 Před 3 lety +5642

    I love this episode so much but at the same time it's kind of annoying that a lot of people insist this would have been a better finale. BoJack's death would have sent a terrible and irresponsible message as well as being a self-indulgent and melodramatic ending. The last episode is a much more poignant and profound ending.

    • @hojoraika
      @hojoraika Před 2 lety +71

      yes but the fact it’s tragic makes it better

    • @jiovek
      @jiovek Před 2 lety +637

      @@hojoraika that just sounds unnecessarily edgy imo

    • @Tawleyn
      @Tawleyn Před 2 lety +664

      Honestly, with how everything had happened leading up to that point, it seemed like killing him off was the most obvious ending. The fact that they didn't plays into the whimsy of life, luck and fate. Not everyone who is self-destructive and suicidal actually succeeds in ending everything. And then they have to continue on living afterward and deal with the consequences.

    • @bogih21
      @bogih21 Před 2 lety +325

      @@hojoraika I think it was important to show that even after all the terrible things that happened to him and that he'se die he still ended up surviving and being glad that he did. Also now he had to actually face all his problems. I personally think the ending is great as it is.

    • @jadenconner3327
      @jadenconner3327 Před 2 lety +26

      I think it would’ve been a better finale! the ending felt weird

  • @levimichael1802
    @levimichael1802 Před 2 lety +2122

    I’ve been suicidal for a while.
    And the bridge by my house has been an easy option.
    In my depressive state I finished the show.
    I’ve gone to the bridge a few times this week, and the view from halfway down has helped me make the choice not to jump.
    I identify with Bojack, every suicide attempt he wanted someone to save him.

    • @stephendonovan9084
      @stephendonovan9084 Před 2 lety +141

      Hey, I know this is an old comment but I thought it'd be a good idea to ask how you're doing, and if you've gotten any better? I know we're just internet strangers but I hope so

    • @HillLuvJump999
      @HillLuvJump999 Před 2 lety +48

      Hey Levi... how we doing bud?

    • @stacyslinkey441
      @stacyslinkey441 Před 2 lety +35

      I hope all is well Levi.

    • @goldbirdie
      @goldbirdie Před 2 lety +25

      Levi I hope you are doing well! ❤️

    • @battybleedingheart_
      @battybleedingheart_ Před rokem +12

      hey!
      how are you buddy? :)

  • @liagem2087
    @liagem2087 Před 4 lety +5970

    “I wish someone would have told me about the view from half way down” is my favorite line in the whole show

  • @Dylan-xt8eh
    @Dylan-xt8eh Před 4 lety +3723

    I just realised how Sarah Lynn actually ages throughout the episode and bojack says his water tastes like chlorine. The detail put into this series is one of a kind

    • @sian666
      @sian666 Před 4 lety +146

      CHLORINE OMG

    • @liamschofield4435
      @liamschofield4435 Před 4 lety +343

      HOW DID I NOT PUT CHLORINE AND POOL TOGETHER

    • @bobbishmax62
      @bobbishmax62 Před 4 lety +135

      DID SARAH LYNN GROW UP RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES?

    • @chadkennedy7855
      @chadkennedy7855 Před 4 lety +6

      @@seangilmore355 Have you been watching the first episode of the series again?!

    • @ToomanyFrancis
      @ToomanyFrancis Před 4 lety +132

      I immediately noticed the chlorine comment. Water in an unlabeled bottle has always been representative of Bojack's guilt for his effect on Sarah Lynn, and has always secretly been vodka. As soon as he said "does anybody else's water" I had mentally finished the line with vodka. When he said Chlorine instead, I stopped and immediately connected that Bojack had finally jumped in the pool.

  • @rocaydran
    @rocaydran Před 2 lety +2422

    something ive always thought about is the characters' ages in the episode, specifically sarah lynn. they all seem to be and remain at the "peak" of their lives (beatrice as the age she was when attending her debutante ball, herb as the age he was when directing horsin around, crackerjack as the age he was when he left for war, etc) except for sarah lynn, who grows and changes throughout the dream. i think it may help to emphasize the way she was never truly happy with herself and the life she was thrown into at such a young age, and as such, never really peaked. it may also show that her peak was yet to come, and she died before she could reach it and truly be happy with herself. it might be a stretch, but i thought it would be worth analyzing.

    • @_melodyx
      @_melodyx Před 11 měsíci +43

      i so agree with this. due to bojack’s negligence and selfish ignorance, he ultimately led sarah lynn to her downfall before she even experienced true happiness

    • @user-ln2go4xp6d
      @user-ln2go4xp6d Před 11 měsíci +23

      actually, in the scene where they’re trying to get bojack to sit down and stop trying to find a way out, beatrice is the old, dementia ridden version of herself. sarah lynn growing up with bojack is more like him having a lot of control over her entire life, all the way to her being brought to death’s door by him.

  • @user-sk7cf8oq4l
    @user-sk7cf8oq4l Před 3 lety +1317

    i always thought of dianes "my day was good" as a way of bojack telling himself that his death would only be beneficial to her

    • @soapheshinobi5801
      @soapheshinobi5801 Před 2 lety +99

      i heard it first as just happy but as the voice and bojack faded away, it felt like she was happy he was gone

    • @EclecticallyEccentric
      @EclecticallyEccentric Před 2 lety +53

      @@soapheshinobi5801 There's a difference between happiness and relief.

    • @teapartypenguin1353
      @teapartypenguin1353 Před rokem +72

      Which we learn in the next episode isn't true. Diane was so stressed out during those 7 hours after getting his voicemail, thinking that if she had just called back in time, she could have saved him. And when she finds out he lives, she realizes how done she is with being responsible for him and cuts him off. If Bojack really had died, Diane may not have been able to come to that conclusion on her own. She probably would have wasted time feeling guilty for something out of her control. But Bojack living lets her take the control back and choose to cut him out herself.

  • @Just-another-stone
    @Just-another-stone Před 3 lety +17939

    "Oh Bojack, there is no other side. This is it."
    Absolutely haunting. That moment, the gentle delivery, and the way the darkness consumes him leaves me feeling so so hollow, and grim.

    • @chadkennedy7855
      @chadkennedy7855 Před 3 lety +203

      There is only darkness.

    • @natalyamartirosyan
      @natalyamartirosyan Před 3 lety +434

      To me it’s the delivery that makes it so grim: “There’s no escape, accept that.”

    • @chadkennedy7855
      @chadkennedy7855 Před 3 lety +15

      @@natalyamartirosyan That's what the dead man says.

    • @armando950723
      @armando950723 Před 3 lety +95

      Darkness consumes him like cancer did.

    • @wolfcola6329
      @wolfcola6329 Před 3 lety +29

      It gave me hot flashes

  • @lilyraimey3499
    @lilyraimey3499 Před 4 lety +13558

    Did this episode make anyone else existentially horrified?

    • @madsniperD
      @madsniperD Před 4 lety +470

      Watching this a day after finishing up The Good Place was certainly a trip!

    • @coveofhorrors
      @coveofhorrors Před 4 lety +423

      i watched this episode the same day as the last good place episode and i was fucking terrified of dying for a good while

    • @ElleJay1085
      @ElleJay1085 Před 4 lety +481

      I’ve fought suicidal ideation throughout my life, and last year was the epitome of my struggle. This episode shook me up, especially the poem, because it’s something I don’t think anyone thinks about or talks about as much as they should. I’ve thought about not wanting to upset people in my life, but never thought about my own possible regret mid-act. It’s such a necessary perspective that I’m glad I got to see.

    • @myrrhee8831
      @myrrhee8831 Před 4 lety +75

      Lily Raimey I still can’t watch it without crying and it’s been several weeks

    • @Laurell_Silentshade
      @Laurell_Silentshade Před 4 lety +76

      I wouldn't say existentially horrified. I'm sure many people who've had NDEs did some reflection on this poem. It made me just grateful with a stroke of luck I made it through mine.

  • @c.m.9369
    @c.m.9369 Před 2 lety +928

    What always gets me with this episode is, how unambiguous it is about the finality of death. It doesn't romanticize it. It doesn't play up this vague: "Maybe it's really an experience Bojack had with the other side, and the souls of people past".
    It makes it clear. It's Bojack, it's all him, it's just his dying brain. He can't interact with any of these people anymore and they are not waiting for him in the great beyond, where maybe he can apologize or work out some of the issues that he left unresolved with them, there is no such comfort in death.
    Which is what makes Herb's final words, that this is it, that there is no other side, so powerful.

    • @Treeeee2008
      @Treeeee2008 Před rokem +66

      I agree, they could have so easily made it so that bojack's dream was actually him interacting with the souls of his past friends, but this show's smarter than that and straight up tells us that it's not what's happening.

    • @dandyriver_
      @dandyriver_ Před rokem +43

      no matter how many times i watch this episode or this analysis herb’s “oh bojack, there is no other side. this is it.” gives me full body chills. his voice actor did an amazing job with the delivery of that line and it really makes you feel the acceptance of dying

    • @lordcrispen
      @lordcrispen Před rokem +34

      @@dandyriver_ The timing of the animation of him being devoured by the tar too, like, the finality of the statement is punctuated with zero possibility of explanation or argument. There is no time for objection, only acceptance.

    • @mardus_ee
      @mardus_ee Před rokem +13

      I personally believe in the existence of an otherside, or another dimension into which our souls move, or merge with the spirit of our alternate selves, as one of the options. There may be more than one such dimension.
      But the current general knowledge of there supposedly not being any like dimension, must give us pause in order to make the best of our lives and other people's lives, to be kind to ourselves, other people and animals, and to treat them with dignity. Lest we'll have wasted our lives having achieved little to nothing.
      Granted, even small things bring happiness to us and othres, and even small acts of goodness make a positive change in the lives of other people and creatures, and in our own.

    • @sinnercinna
      @sinnercinna Před rokem +11

      ​@@mardus_ee i think there's maybe (MAYBE) an argument for belief in a nondual, singly conscious, nonindividual collective afterlife - in the vein of, we and everything are all the willful divisions of a formerly singular existence - but the standard vision of meeting your loved ones is unlikely.

  • @copper1206
    @copper1206 Před 2 lety +2958

    I also think that Sarah Lynn's career as a pop star led to her having many diet restrictions. many pop stars in the 2000s had to practically starve themselves just to keep their figure because their skinny bodies were an accessory to them. I think her eating fast food at the dinner table was symbolic of her last break from being a performer. she even talked about counting calories on her tour while she was at the table. the fast food was something that she yearned for so deeply, something indicative of a normal childhood. something you could have without hating yourself for it like she was taught to do.

    • @nikitakirillov1545
      @nikitakirillov1545 Před rokem +40

      Also Herb had peanuts on his plate during the dinner, which is also some kind of irony (he died because of peanut allergy)

    • @tabithamorrison1680
      @tabithamorrison1680 Před rokem +34

      @@nikitakirillov1545 And of course Bojack's plate had the pills he had taken shortly before he "went swimming." And he mentioned his water tasting like chlorine.

    • @mllovelle3665
      @mllovelle3665 Před rokem

      you are clearly not a woman lmao

    • @_-A.
      @_-A. Před 11 měsíci +8

      Wasn't these foods all the lasts things they all ate before their desth

    • @eileensnow6153
      @eileensnow6153 Před 4 měsíci +3

      ⁠@@_-A.Yeah, Crackerjack’s meal was an MRE (the prepackaged meals given to soldiers on deployment) and Corduroy’s was a lemon, which he would suck on to keep him conscious.

  • @bluekeeper12
    @bluekeeper12 Před 4 lety +5894

    In my opinion, one of the easier-to-miss but more powerful things: Diane's last line. Her day was good. She's been grappling with sever depression all season, constantly struggling just to feel ok, much less good, and yet there it is. In what he has accepted as his last moments, all BoJack wants is to think that his friends are good.

    • @lorea3478
      @lorea3478 Před 4 lety +123

      Thanks, you mande me tear up

    • @ichorous7434
      @ichorous7434 Před 4 lety +308

      that makes the end of their friendship so much sadder. bojack is finally able to be a better friend but it's too late and she has to let go now.

    • @letmobilet
      @letmobilet Před 4 lety +46

      ichorous maybe in the future they’ll be friends again, that’s how life is, we don’t expect things to happen

    • @letmobilet
      @letmobilet Před 4 lety +20

      but maybe they won’t tho

    • @chadkennedy7855
      @chadkennedy7855 Před 4 lety +3

      #LetMeIn

  • @weather9405
    @weather9405 Před 4 lety +7250

    notice in the two episodes where bojack jump into the pool, in one Mr. pb saves him and in one from the view from half way down, he calls for diane, the two people who always looks down the pool in the intro when bojack jumps in it.

    • @bratantm9385
      @bratantm9385 Před 4 lety +780

      Giorno Giovanna mr peanutbutter was always friendly towards him and didnt want anything selfish out of him,just the joy of his friendship...Truly a great character smarter than most would expect

    • @mswinter890
      @mswinter890 Před 4 lety +374

      @@bratantm9385 and truly dog like.

    • @sunnyxymes
      @sunnyxymes Před 4 lety +57

      Holy shit

    • @maddieboo2297
      @maddieboo2297 Před 4 lety +32

      O shit

    • @monkeymunchie9717
      @monkeymunchie9717 Před 4 lety +361

      So the intro where they look down on BoJack in the pool was actually foreshadowing all the way to this episode??

  • @JasonAFlintham
    @JasonAFlintham Před 2 lety +388

    One thing I spotted throughout this episode is that Bojack seems to be going through the 5 Stages of Grief:
    Denial - Bojack starts out thinking he’s just dreaming and that he’ll wake up after the dinner.
    Anger - Bojack starts lashing out when he sees people dropping into the abyss in an attempt to stop the show.
    Depression - near the end, Herb starts whaling on Bojack’s insecurities before welcoming him onto the stage.
    Bargaining - Bojack is convinced he can get out of it all by getting to a phone and calling Diane.
    Acceptance - “How was your day?”

    • @Theelectroarcheologist
      @Theelectroarcheologist Před rokem +36

      There's also a subtle hint that he has made suicide attempts like this before, as once the dinner is over and everyone heads to the show in the other room, Bojack expects he's going to wake up like nothing happened as if it were a routine he's familiar with. But much to his dismay nothing happens and his dream continues. What's even more haunting about this, is that once he realizes that this dream is heading in a new direction from what he presumed would happen, he begins to look concerned as if he starting to put the pieces together of what's really going on, and how it's not looking good.

    • @dontbelame
      @dontbelame Před 5 měsíci +13

      @@Theelectroarcheologist i never even considered that the "i always wake up before the show" thing was connected to his suicide attempts, that's so insightful! I thought he had just been having like a reoccuring dream every night, that's a much better explanation.

  • @DrawnbyaDog
    @DrawnbyaDog Před 2 lety +835

    One thing I love about the poem is that the POV shifts from 3rd, 2nd, to 1st person. A lot of suicidal people tend to dissociate themselves with their own actions until it’s too late and I think that that’s reflected through this poem. He doesn’t connect his own body with the act of suicide until he realizes it too late

    • @giorgiafletcher9546
      @giorgiafletcher9546 Před rokem +63

      i also saw someone comment that it mimics a 3, 2, 1 countdown as he falls to the water

  • @macsView
    @macsView Před 3 lety +18996

    Don't know if this has been said here, but I think you missed out on a very key part of Beatrices' performance. She becomes entangled in the ribbons, we lose sight of her, and then when the ribbons come away, she isn't there... She never went through the door, only the ribbons did. She was taken by her dementia before she died.

    • @opntilmidnight4025
      @opntilmidnight4025 Před 3 lety +1606

      Wow I had never thought of that, that’s even more depressing

    • @shay1444
      @shay1444 Před 3 lety +641

      @@opntilmidnight4025 really summarises how I feel after reading every comment here

    • @Soup4Dayz
      @Soup4Dayz Před 3 lety +305

      That is quite haunting

    • @colinwalker4824
      @colinwalker4824 Před 3 lety +131

      Good catch, I would have never seen that

    • @Moonlight___2
      @Moonlight___2 Před 3 lety +251

      WHY.IS.THIS.SHOW.SO.FUCKING.GOOD?!?!?!?!?!?!?I DONT WANT TO WATCH ANY OTHER SHOWS EXCEPT THIS ONE

  • @CaptainVelveeta
    @CaptainVelveeta Před 2 lety +1041

    Quite possibly the best 26 minutes in Netflix history.

    • @Tawleyn
      @Tawleyn Před 2 lety +41

      Honestly, this is an amazing episode, but the simplicity of "Free Churros" contrasts so... so heavily with how enrapturing the entire thing is that I think it wins out by a small margin.

    • @jack-bs6do
      @jack-bs6do Před 2 lety +3

      @@Tawleyn no way in hell

    • @shagarumedic
      @shagarumedic Před 2 lety +11

      Free Churro was marginally better. Let me emphasize that *marginally*.

    • @CaptainVelveeta
      @CaptainVelveeta Před 2 lety

      @@shagarumedic Great episode no doubt, it just hit a little too close to home for me personally.

    • @maggiemm8867
      @maggiemm8867 Před měsícem

      In television history

  • @---ut6fk
    @---ut6fk Před 2 lety +479

    Bojack says something like "wow Dad never made it to dinner" and technically, Butterscotch still didn't show up to dinner. Secretariat did. Even in his head, Secretariat was there for him when his dad wasn't. The fact that Secretariat has his dad's voice of course means he saw him as a father figure. Butterscotch still failed him, still disappointed him, even when Bojack wanted so badly to connect with him in his dream.

  • @Ekaterina-uu1zn
    @Ekaterina-uu1zn Před 4 lety +1761

    There's so much death symbolism in this episode. Bojack's dinner chair kind of looks like a casket.

    • @kristenyarbrough4287
      @kristenyarbrough4287 Před 4 lety +30

      Oh shit i had to go back and look. Good eye!

    • @unknownstranger1668
      @unknownstranger1668 Před 4 lety +19

      Thought the same thing but wasn't sure if I was overthinking it

    • @andiea.belley7986
      @andiea.belley7986 Před 4 lety +28

      It also kind of looks like a pool floatie!

    • @jasminelav.332
      @jasminelav.332 Před 4 lety +25

      One thing he failed to mention is that hydrangeas in Japan actually represent the dead. Not "death" per se, but ghosts and "those who have passed on". And that if the blooms are red (or pink) it means they were planted on top of a body.

    • @miranda1270
      @miranda1270 Před 4 lety

      i saw that too!

  • @luckyslob3359
    @luckyslob3359 Před 4 lety +3405

    One thing I haven’t seen people mention is the way Secretariat falls into the abyss. He seems to trip backwards into it, perhaps the same way Bojack’s dad tripped backwards during a duel and ultimately died.

    • @RiptideUrBadLol
      @RiptideUrBadLol Před 4 lety +82

      He never dueled, he killed himself. Either his mom made it up or bojack told himself that because a duel sounds cooler than suicide. And he wanted to see his dad as a hero

    • @therealmr.shaddow2976
      @therealmr.shaddow2976 Před 4 lety +105

      BoJack said that his dad got killed in a duel because of the book he wrote. People said it was really bad and Bojack’s dad told everyone he would duel anyone who didn’t like it. A random crazy dude shot him

    • @gantzllat
      @gantzllat Před 4 lety +185

      @@therealmr.shaddow2976 He wasn't shot. His dad walked the ten steps, turn around midway, asked of he had really read the book, he tripped and fell backwards hitting his head with a rock.

    • @chadkennedy7855
      @chadkennedy7855 Před 4 lety +15

      @@gantzllat Ouch. On Halloween? That's too much, man.

    • @bennichol1510
      @bennichol1510 Před 3 lety +18

      @Lucky Slob and also how bojack seems to fall backwards into the pool in each opening of the show.

  • @meg6178
    @meg6178 Před 2 lety +572

    i think its really interesting how bojack's drowning mirrors the narcissus painting, considering that narcissus is the myth of a man whose self-obsession killed him

    • @guilhermefarias5255
      @guilhermefarias5255 Před rokem +13

      By drowning as well

    • @Crouch_Gob
      @Crouch_Gob Před měsícem +2

      Also the painting has him being watched while drowning, but not helped, most likely how he saw himself sinking and thought to call Diane but wasn’t able to stop himself from getting back in. A part of him almost definitely knew he would die, just like the lake fantasy in downer ending

    • @Crouch_Gob
      @Crouch_Gob Před měsícem

      I.e. he saw himself drowning and didn’t save himself

  • @jimmydore5136
    @jimmydore5136 Před 2 lety +2599

    The details in this episode are so terrifyingly well put together, I managed to find a couple of creepy Easter eggs.
    (Apparently) Bojack only realises he is drowning 17 minutes into the episode. Referencing the 17 minutes he left Sarah Lynn.
    The poem “The view from half way down”, has three main verses. The first verse is told in 3rd person, 2 is in second person and the final verse is told in the first person. 3, 2, 1...
    All the guests are dressed in the outfits from the peaks of their lives. Most characters died fairly quick, within an episode or so. So they just wear the outfits they are most well known for, which also happen to be the clothes they died in. Herb and Beatrice, however, wear the clothes the had before their lives went down hill. Herb wears the outfit he wore before he joined horsin’ around, and Beatrice wears the dress she wore before she met butterscotch.
    The scene where Secretariat and Bojack go for a smoke looks scarily similar to the bridge that Secretariat jumped from. Directly below this bridge lies the pool Bojack is drowning in.
    Sarah Lynn takes a deep breath before she tumbled into the abyss. (Apparently) a common symptom of deaths from heroine overdoses involves the victim struggling to breathe.

    • @hamishgoeden7852
      @hamishgoeden7852 Před 2 lety +14

      I'd also point out that you can see that secretariat is holding 4 pages and only gets through 2 before he falls screaming into the abyss. Symbolizing that your life is cut short and you still have more to do when you kill yourself

    • @allarxstoast870
      @allarxstoast870 Před rokem +15

      Gawdawm

    • @vitopannucci2001
      @vitopannucci2001 Před rokem +28

      Thats.. too much man...

    • @PlanetJuke
      @PlanetJuke Před rokem +3

      Holy fucking shit

    • @frannelly
      @frannelly Před rokem +50

      i always thought Sarah Lynn taking a deep breath and pinching her nose, as if she was about to jump into the water, is a direct reference to the metaphor of Ophelia falling into the river

  • @santhoshvk4933
    @santhoshvk4933 Před 3 lety +7387

    Also, notice how zach braff didn't eat? Well, it was because he died
    being eaten. He died serving people. And that's why he was the one serving them food.

    • @keagansalamon6135
      @keagansalamon6135 Před 3 lety +119

      Oh

    • @masochistic_art
      @masochistic_art Před 3 lety +975

      i fucking forgot he was cannibalised i'm cackling

    • @ActuallyRocatex
      @ActuallyRocatex Před 3 lety +501

      I thought he was just another funny cameo at first I completely forgot that he died

    • @Dalehan
      @Dalehan Před 3 lety +265

      The only thing I don't fully understand is, why is Zach Braff in Bojack's mind? As far as I remember, he didn't play a significant part in Bojack's life like the other guests of this imaginary party, he didn't see him die and he was completely wasted and hiding away with Diane in a seperate room to begin with when that happened.

    • @oussplayz7405
      @oussplayz7405 Před 3 lety +9

      Holy shit

  • @beepbeep8769
    @beepbeep8769 Před 3 lety +8693

    in season 2 bojack says “I feel like I was born with a leak” with goes along with herb saying “everything must come to an end; the drip finally stops”

    • @hannahventurina2042
      @hannahventurina2042 Před 3 lety +194

      I thought he was talking about his IV drip.

    • @yuhkp
      @yuhkp Před 3 lety +39

      that’s what i was thinking about too

    • @beepbeep8769
      @beepbeep8769 Před 3 lety +118

      Hannah Venturina could be a double meaning

    • @legohead2731
      @legohead2731 Před 3 lety +55

      Low key he got the drip ngl

    • @kaltogi6645
      @kaltogi6645 Před 3 lety +97

      Nah that’s cap🧢 ‼️ the drip never stops😩🥵🥶😈💯

  • @AtlasBlizzard
    @AtlasBlizzard Před rokem +235

    One of the saddest things about this episode for me is that Butterscotch Horseman isn't there. All of the most important people in Bojack's life who have passed are with him - Herb, Sarah Lynn and even his uncle whom he never even met. But instead of his father, Secretariat is there instead. Even Bojack's horrible mother Beatrice is there, but not his dad, but instead, a male figure he actually looked up to and felt close to growing up. Bojack and his father had such a little connection that he's not even with him as he's staring death in the face.

    • @StoutShako
      @StoutShako Před 10 měsíci +3

      What about the one dude who died spanking it tho. And Zach Braff

    • @dogwatersoda
      @dogwatersoda Před 10 měsíci +7

      @@StoutShako they don’t have anything to do with the original comment. the original comment was pointing out how Butterscotch, Bojack’s Father, didnt even show up in bojack’s dying dream. it reflects how absent he was as a father. and how Secretariat replaced him as a parental figure due to his negligence.

    • @homer4340
      @homer4340 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@StoutShakoZach Braff was also there, as the butler

    • @jordidraws7723
      @jordidraws7723 Před 3 měsíci +2

      ​@@dogwatersoda I think they do. OP said that "all of the most important people on Bojack's life who passed on are with him", but Zach Braff and Corduroy barely meant anything to him and weren't really present in his life either.

    • @dogwatersoda
      @dogwatersoda Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@jordidraws7723 Yeah but their deaths did have affect on bojack. also bojack did find corduroy’s body and i definitely imagine something like that would have some impact on him, regardless if they were close or not. and Bojack was also in the same house/situation when Zach Braff died during the whole trapped underground situation. he was present in both of their deaths (or discovered one of them in the previous explanation).

  • @sleevelovecraft9513
    @sleevelovecraft9513 Před 2 lety +549

    I always thought the hands on Sarah Lynn's outfit was symbolic of her childhood sexual abuse. Mostly because of the placement on the clothing.
    The hands being darker on her funeral outfit could be because the effects were there but not immediately obvious and the lighter hands could mean that the abuse was a contributing factor in her drug addictions and death.

    • @SupHapCak
      @SupHapCak Před rokem +7

      I don't know about the headspace of the artists/directors at the time, but I thought it was a reference to Kristen Shall (however it's spelled) because she wears a similar shirt in Weird Al "Tacky" music video
      And i know it's supposed to be all serious but it was the first thing I thought of when I saw her outfit.

    • @StoutShako
      @StoutShako Před 10 měsíci

      Considering that she dressed HERSELF at the funeral and abuse victims don't usually go wearing stuff that reminds themselves of being abused, I think that part is off the mark.
      It might take on a different meaning for Bojack because he did (kinda???) See her as his daughter, but the first time it showed up, I strongly doubt someone as fucked up with drugs and stuff would put that much thought into deep symbolism about how she was treated as a kid.

    • @sleevelovecraft9513
      @sleevelovecraft9513 Před 10 měsíci +9

      @@StoutShako symbolism is not there for the characters but for the audience.

  • @noxamonster
    @noxamonster Před 3 lety +4176

    "if it dosent matter..,can i stay on the phone with you?"
    i...i need to sit down

    • @katiefrances531
      @katiefrances531 Před 3 lety +409

      i've known a lot of suicidal people. i always tell them that, if nothing matters, at least stay on the line with me for now. talk to me, stay on the phone with me, don't stop texting me. they always come to. if someone is suicidal, do not ever let them go. don't let them hang up. even if it feels hopeless.

    • @angelameetsworld4394
      @angelameetsworld4394 Před 3 lety +160

      That convo that they then have is a callback from a previous episode where diane and bojack are making up a fake conversation and saying the exact same things. The phrase that goes after "my day was good" was "I love you" but we never get to hear bojacks answer before he is absorbed by the tar.

    • @srinblmlmlke
      @srinblmlmlke Před 3 lety +113

      I didn’t start tearing up until I heard Diane go “Yeah” with that bittersweet tone. It just gives off this “temporary happiness” feel.

    • @kaisergod98
      @kaisergod98 Před 3 lety +69

      That phrase just hits me so hard. Sometimes you only need one person on the other side of the line listening, one person yo make hoy feel loved, yo make you feel cared about.

    • @chadkennedy7855
      @chadkennedy7855 Před 3 lety +2

      IT'S A BOMB!!!!!!!
      Oh wait, wrong show.

  • @leprechaunsteve8930
    @leprechaunsteve8930 Před 3 lety +16045

    This episode was just nominated for an Emmy. Needless to say it deserves the nomination AND the win.

    • @firstnamelastname7079
      @firstnamelastname7079 Před 3 lety +23

      @Zaymly no

    • @Aenlorrocksinwow
      @Aenlorrocksinwow Před 3 lety +73

      First Name Last Name it hasn’t happened yet

    • @Local--Idiot
      @Local--Idiot Před 3 lety +234

      If it doesn't win then that bs

    • @harryhauff6704
      @harryhauff6704 Před 3 lety +54

      YourPal Nathan yer lol watch it be big mouth 🤦‍♂️

    • @james_fisch
      @james_fisch Před 3 lety +425

      @@harryhauff6704 I've watched this show gets snubbed for Emmys every year, hardly got nominations apart from Free Churro, which again should have won given what it was up against. But nah Big Mouth has to win, it's dumb and is watched by more people.

  • @AvikBharagava756
    @AvikBharagava756 Před 3 lety +445

    English Classes out there analysing "hot cross buns" meanwhile this is what would make classes actually interesting

    • @yahya2920
      @yahya2920 Před 2 lety +11

      I never heard someone analysing hot cross buns. It's a kindergarten poem.
      English teachers are analysing poems and they should analyse a masterpiece like this too. Also , Todd analysed Hokey Pokey in the last episode.

    • @AvikBharagava756
      @AvikBharagava756 Před 2 lety +11

      @@yahya2920 it was more like a figure of speech and somewhat an exaggeration, no one analyzing hot cross buns

    • @thestickwoman1484
      @thestickwoman1484 Před 2 lety +9

      Actually as an English major, I thought of James Joyce's "The Dead" one message of which being the living can never compete with the memory of the dead, like Bojack to Crackerjack.

    • @piperbrooke2957
      @piperbrooke2957 Před 2 lety +4

      we actually analyzed free churro in our class! not all english classes are old and dusty :P

    • @AvikBharagava756
      @AvikBharagava756 Před 2 lety +1

      @@piperbrooke2957 lucky! bet that class was fun!

  • @lazybonespro
    @lazybonespro Před 2 lety +141

    Beatrice’s dress stands out to me so much because not only was it the dress she wore the night she met Butterscotch and Bojack was conceived, but it only further pushes the fact that she considers Bojack to be the thing that ended her life.

  • @MuffinMythos
    @MuffinMythos Před 4 lety +10911

    Secretariat’s poem was one of the most chilling thing’s I’ve ever heard. His tone shift from confident and sure, to regretful and horrified, is so intense and impactful. It’s probably one of the greatest anti-suicide pieces I’ve ever seen, and has definitively embedded itself into the hearts of all us viewers.

    • @Hennesg
      @Hennesg Před 4 lety +283

      Did anybody noticed that BoJack has the exact same reaction? Bojack decided years ago to dance at the edge of the cliff always taunting death. But once he falls he shows the exact same reaction.

    • @denimholman9829
      @denimholman9829 Před 4 lety +17

      @@Hennesg where did you see or read that? I've seen the show through like 3 times and I've never even heard of that.

    • @zer0her048
      @zer0her048 Před 3 lety +67

      Dude my shit dropped with the distorted voice of Diane and the heartrate monitor. I dunno. Just something about that is very unsetteling.

    • @clarkwilmerding4343
      @clarkwilmerding4343 Před 3 lety +10

      Inflexxible it was an incredibly strong ending but i do feel cheated that they used that and completely reversed it the next episode

    • @parkourbee2
      @parkourbee2 Před 3 lety +53

      @@clarkwilmerding4343 I think the idea is that this was the true death of his former self, the self he thought he left behind after rehab. I have a lot of respect for the final episode; it felt real instead of grandiose

  • @justinwifit1876
    @justinwifit1876 Před 3 lety +4437

    Have you ever felt so fear-stricken and haunted at that moment. Where Herb touches the darkness then progresses to engulf him, Bojack says "see you on the other side". The piano drops that tone as Herb replies, "oh Bojack, no, there is no other side. This is it." And that one moment terrified the shit out of me.

    • @tamialuster4666
      @tamialuster4666 Před 3 lety +179

      Those words still haunt me

    • @Benny_B0O0
      @Benny_B0O0 Před 3 lety +182

      It’s a hard truth, makes me question what life even is.

    • @GuardianTam
      @GuardianTam Před 3 lety +129

      To be fair it's bojacks brain telling him this so there's no guarantee it's telling the truth.

    • @TetsuDeinonychus
      @TetsuDeinonychus Před 3 lety +231

      @@GuardianTam Yeah, it just means that deep down Bojack doesn't believe in an afterlife (or at least has some doubts that are represented by Herb). Whether there is or not is still a mystery.
      It is a haunting moment, though.

    • @neurotypicalkirby1344
      @neurotypicalkirby1344 Před 3 lety +6

      Same

  • @kayleejazz1669
    @kayleejazz1669 Před 2 lety +616

    I know this video is a year old.
    But the one thing that always makes me wonder is when bojack realizes that Diane isn’t coming to him and he accepts his “death” is if Sarah Lynn went through the same thing he did in an overdose.
    Did she have a realization in her final moments that bojack wasn’t going to save her, she couldn’t rely on him in life so why would anything change in death or her final moments. We never get to see the inside of her mind in those final moments but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was something similar to bojack. Except bojack got to live and she didn’t.

    • @Kat-ek6bz
      @Kat-ek6bz Před 2 lety +58

      17 minutes is a long time. Never thought about this before

    • @czperiod2576
      @czperiod2576 Před měsícem +1

      Bojack did not live. No one came to save him.
      But yes, your statement is chilling and fascinating.

  • @missawsomechick
    @missawsomechick Před rokem +274

    I’m a huge fan of both Bojack and Rick and Morty, and the fact that the Vat of Acid episode won over TVFHD at the Emmy’s still shocks me to this day.

    • @Raquel6098
      @Raquel6098 Před rokem +46

      Forever this. I love Vat of Acid- but this episode emphasizes so many facets of humanity and is so well done. I think about the view from halfway down all the time.

  • @norm3552
    @norm3552 Před 3 lety +5700

    Bojack: yeah, i dont think the creators actually put that much thought into it
    Todd: But isnt that the point of art, what ppl take out of it?

  • @hopeellen2784
    @hopeellen2784 Před 3 lety +7395

    i always felt like the handprints on sarah lyns outfit might be referencing her being molested by her stepdad

    • @anneleighsme6079
      @anneleighsme6079 Před 3 lety +1402

      Yeah, handprints painted on bodies is often used as a metaphor for assault leaving physical marks, matching the mental ones.

    • @welcometotheclub4439
      @welcometotheclub4439 Před 3 lety +15

      😮😯

    • @gorilla-grip-pussy-support7976
      @gorilla-grip-pussy-support7976 Před 3 lety +28

      When was this mentioned?

    • @SeriousBusinessman.
      @SeriousBusinessman. Před 3 lety +685

      @@gorilla-grip-pussy-support7976 It wasn't specifically mentioned, but hinted at throughout every season where Sarah Lynn was alive, and a couple after that. Sarah Lynn states that: "My stepdad's being weird" when BoJack is having a flashback to when he accidentally got Sarah Lynn drunk which, along with dozens of other quotes, basically implies he is grooming/molesting Sarah.

    • @mayo597
      @mayo597 Před 3 lety +585

      sarah lynn has got to have one of the, if not the most, tragic arcs in the show

  • @raineambrosini7750
    @raineambrosini7750 Před 2 lety +329

    People always mention Beatrice being directly and visibly verbally and emotionally abusive to Bojack but I feel it’s worth noting, then when a young Bojack was under the table trying to avoid performing the Lollipop Song and Beatrice pointed to him, he flinched. He was fully expecting her to hit him, and only opened his eyes when the impact didn’t come. Beatrice more than likely abused him physically, and Bojack likely lived on edge that her berating and taunts and invalidations would also come with physical abuse.

    • @frannelly
      @frannelly Před rokem +67

      i just read this comment and i can't help thinking about that flashback afterparty scene when little Bojack crawls on Beatrice's lap while she's passed out from drinking. It's the only time we ever see any physical contact between them, and that happens in a moment when Bojack feels safe enough his mother won't harm him - or simply push him away. Heartbreaking.

    • @clovercurator7997
      @clovercurator7997 Před 8 měsíci +7

      I believe he also mentions at some point early on (though I could be wrong) that his mother extinguished her cigarettes on his arm as a child.

  • @bubblyb4785
    @bubblyb4785 Před 2 lety +344

    the fact that everyone willingly went through the door yet they didn't chose to die at the time that they did, only secretariat 'chose death' (aka he commited suicide) yet he was still forced through, it shows his regret, his depravation to a second chance yet what's done has been done. It truly is the ultimate anti-suicide message. really beautifully executed. :)

  • @BananaEnvyPodcast
    @BananaEnvyPodcast Před 3 lety +4819

    I think the reason Sarah Lynn was eating a burger and fries was related to the story about her mom counting every carb she ate. That meal is loaded with carbs. I assume there’s some significance there.

    • @Johnny2Cellos
      @Johnny2Cellos  Před 3 lety +478

      I talked about this a bit in my full season review!

    • @journeyyyyyy
      @journeyyyyyy Před 3 lety +59

      I thought it was everyone's favorite meal. Or last meal.

    • @chickencurry420
      @chickencurry420 Před 3 lety +360

      @@journeyyyyyy It's the last thing they ate before they died. Herb is eating the peanuts from the truck he crashed into, Bojack is eating pills and drinking pool water, Courdroy has that lemon. They're all eating their last meals, except for Zach Braff. He was killed for cannibalism which is why he's the waiter, serving everyone

    • @journeyyyyyy
      @journeyyyyyy Před 3 lety +13

      @@chickencurry420 yeah that's what I thought. I said last meal.

    • @marmar6_688
      @marmar6_688 Před 3 lety +5

      Maybe it's that she is dead now so she can eat whatever she wants I dunno

  • @humanman
    @humanman Před 3 lety +3746

    I went into this video thinking "I got their messages and meanings". Now I realize I missed like 90% of them. I always wondered what the hell was up with that bird bit.

    • @lyndsay369
      @lyndsay369 Před 3 lety +15

      same!!!

    • @laura-ni8ym
      @laura-ni8ym Před 3 lety +23

      I knew right away Amy Winfrey directed this episode when that happened lmao

    • @icedwater3149
      @icedwater3149 Před 3 lety +2

      @@laura-ni8ym may I ask why ?

    • @laura-ni8ym
      @laura-ni8ym Před 3 lety +25

      @@icedwater3149 She's the girl who made Making Fiends and it felt EXACTLY like that indoor recess episode

    • @upumpkin
      @upumpkin Před 3 lety +10

      I know its unrelated but it reminded of that chid bird that died off-screen because they couldn't fly. I don't remember which episode.

  • @amaryllisflower
    @amaryllisflower Před 3 lety +149

    The part where he just wants to talk to Diane literally kills me

  • @breadinpain1266
    @breadinpain1266 Před 3 lety +267

    a neat little detail is secretariats face as he slips into the abyss, it is the same face Bojack makes when describing his mom being dead at the funeral, I don't think its any deeper than that

    • @BARK910
      @BARK910 Před rokem +3

      I never noticed that💀

  • @Icedangel111
    @Icedangel111 Před 3 lety +7532

    It's also worth noting that hydrangeas are toxic to horses. 😭 His Apologies bring nothing but destruction to those who take them and aren't well thought out, even if heartfelt.

  • @ESTARisLOL
    @ESTARisLOL Před 3 lety +8873

    from a suicide attempt survivor- “the view from half way down” is chilling and so extremely realistic.

    • @BroAnarchy
      @BroAnarchy Před 2 lety +420

      Also as a survivor - im not going to lie, _i completely agree with you_

    • @libertylibertylibertyliber1520
      @libertylibertylibertyliber1520 Před 2 lety +537

      I got chills when he read that and almost cried because my brother successfully killed himself. And I just know that once he was halfway down he felt the same way.

    • @jayswrld4125
      @jayswrld4125 Před 2 lety +41

      Fr its so crazy

    • @Vivalarunaway
      @Vivalarunaway Před 2 lety +127

      I hope you're doing okay now, my friend.

    • @shadowhunter5911
      @shadowhunter5911 Před 2 lety +85

      @@libertylibertylibertyliber1520 I’m so sorry 💔

  • @adzace9
    @adzace9 Před rokem +97

    Dude, we don’t give enough credit to how detail oriented the animation was throughout the ENTIRE series, it’s so incredible

  • @MasterOfTheBrood
    @MasterOfTheBrood Před rokem +76

    I find it interesting that Beatrice and Herb are the only ones who didn't fall or walk physically into the door, possibly a representation of how the two of them were dying while they lived, in reference to Herb's Cancer and Beatrice's Dementia.

  • @FlailSnail222
    @FlailSnail222 Před 3 lety +8303

    I’d like to point out that Herb never performed, while everyone else did. I think that this speaks towards how he considered himself to lack a true legacy, only giving one to others.

    • @get_dat_bredcheeks8770
      @get_dat_bredcheeks8770 Před 3 lety +479

      i like to think that it’s because he was a director he wasn’t part of the show he’s just the one that gets it started hence the reason why he didn’t “perform” instead he lets everyone else perform

    • @TheTwinkleXD
      @TheTwinkleXD Před 3 lety +334

      funny how he was able to accurately describe others and their stories but never his own. remember his memoir failed bc it was so terrible?

    • @cayde7293
      @cayde7293 Před 2 lety +30

      THE FCKN BOOOKK

    • @FlailSnail222
      @FlailSnail222 Před 2 lety +23

      @@cayde7293 It was never released to the public and was terrible.

    • @cayde7293
      @cayde7293 Před 2 lety +50

      @@FlailSnail222 exactly, yup! Thats y he never preformed in the dream.. he never left his “legacy” as herb himself called it

  • @manda5294
    @manda5294 Před 4 lety +4929

    the message in this episode is so strong. i don’t think i’ve ever seen a stronger anti suicide message. i don’t think i’ll ever forget this episode, especially as someone who has dealt with suicidal thoughts and depression. This honestly deserves an award.

    • @tamialuster4666
      @tamialuster4666 Před 3 lety +258

      It really just makes me think about how dirty our brains can do us. Your mind can urge you to the edge.....only to kick your desire to live into full gear once it's too late.... Dick move

    • @manda5294
      @manda5294 Před 3 lety +38

      @@tamialuster4666 exactly. our brains are probably the most deadly things to humans.

    • @manda5294
      @manda5294 Před 3 lety +17

      @Crystal KayNine it was terrifying, but oddly beautiful. it’s honestly amazing, i agree.

    • @blurned4221
      @blurned4221 Před 3 lety

      Yes

    • @blurned4221
      @blurned4221 Před 3 lety

      Yes

  • @averywhitney368
    @averywhitney368 Před 2 lety +160

    The big-eyed crying horse painting is a parody of the big-eyed waif paintings by Margaret Keane, an artist whose life was characterized by an oppressive relationship similar to the dynamic of the Horseman family

  • @hopelesssimp1015
    @hopelesssimp1015 Před 2 lety +98

    One thing I noticed was Sarah lynn going into the door, after her performance she slowly walks to the door, probably representing that it was her choice to go on that bender, and she waits for a moment there, representing the time it took bojack to call for help while she was still alive, she then held her breath, because heroin (the drug she overdosed on) stops your breathing, and then, she suddenly falls.

  • @joshuacrawford9862
    @joshuacrawford9862 Před 4 lety +2789

    From Season 1, Episode 1: "We probably went a little too dark with the series finale."

    • @chadkennedy7855
      @chadkennedy7855 Před 3 lety +39

      No shit, Sherlock!

    • @EllawoodBlues
      @EllawoodBlues Před 3 lety +46

      Haha great catch!

    • @froggyplatypus
      @froggyplatypus Před 3 lety +240

      Also from Season 1: “Princess Carolyyyynnnnn! John Stamos died! We thought night swimming was a good idea!”

    • @chadkennedy7855
      @chadkennedy7855 Před 3 lety +19

      @@froggyplatypus "You said it with your action."

    • @charlottemunday7311
      @charlottemunday7311 Před 3 lety +23

      @@froggyplatypus "But the current was too strong!".

  • @thenonsenseguy2364
    @thenonsenseguy2364 Před 3 lety +11769

    Ok can we just appreciate the fact that a show with a talking horse is able to talk about mental Illness in very relatable way and with much more perfection than any season of 13 Reasons why .

    • @badluckcity
      @badluckcity Před 3 lety +341

      or basically any other movie or show in... well, ever.

    • @Nightriser271828
      @Nightriser271828 Před 3 lety +344

      I said to my husband that for a show with a horse protagonist, Bojack Horseman is profoundly human.

    • @Veraux
      @Veraux Před 3 lety +219

      @@Nightriser271828 I feel like that's the whole point of the show. I've been discussing this show with my brother for a long time and I tell him that the appeal of it is that anyone can relate to someone in the show. It's a very human show with very human characters. Everyone in the show has their own struggle and their own coping mechanisms even Mr. Penutbutter like I've never struggled with drugs but I can relate to the sufferings of some characters and the absurdity of it all is that the characters aren't even human sometimes. I love the fact that sometimes there's side characters that seem to be super important at the time then they just disappear completely. If you've ever had a break up you can relate to this.

    • @chicken0w044
      @chicken0w044 Před 3 lety +114

      13 reasons why made consider suicide so many times as a form of revenge

    • @dubu9881
      @dubu9881 Před 3 lety +83

      @@chicken0w044 Well yeah, it’s a fucked up show, at least season 1 is. It’s a depressing experience and it’s controversial for a reason. They shouldn’t have framed it like some anti-bullying campaign, they should have owned the fact that it triggers the victim complex many people have. Whether it be for small or significant things, we precieve events within our own lens which leads us to believe that everything bad is intentionally targetted at us.

  • @RasheedKhan-bm8fm
    @RasheedKhan-bm8fm Před 2 lety +508

    Haven't seen comments on this yet, but reasons why Bojack's dad appeared as Secretariat are probably because:
    - Butterscotch Horseman was absent from his life
    - Bojack viewed Secretariat as a father figure
    - Even Secretariat "abandoned" Bojack when he committed suicide
    - Both Butterscotch and Secretariat fell to their deaths
    - Bojack's antics and Butterscotch's antics are almost identical, and Bojack played Secretariat

    • @somyuh7402
      @somyuh7402 Před 2 lety +3

      omg ur right

    • @christinethuo6840
      @christinethuo6840 Před 2 lety +1

      🤯

    • @jinorism
      @jinorism Před 2 lety +4

      didn’t butterscotch die in a duel?

    • @bad_revecula
      @bad_revecula Před 2 lety +25

      @@jinorism he tripped and bashed his head while asking the guy that wrote a bad review if he had actually read the book

  • @mrsponkman
    @mrsponkman Před rokem +61

    I think the character's clothes are representing when they sealed their fate, Herb is wearing the clothes he wore when Horsin' Around became a thing, Crackerjack is wearing the clothes he wore during the war, Beatrice is wearing the dress she wore when she met Butterscotch. Sarah Lynn's clothes change throughout the episode along with her age, which, in my opinion, implies that her fate was sealed from the very beginning

    • @Crouch_Gob
      @Crouch_Gob Před měsícem +1

      Also crackerjack has the wound in his head, showing that the best part of his life or his peak included this wound, as in he was glorified as a martyr in death and put on a pedestal for the family despite having been a terrible soldier in life

  • @anderswiberg7979
    @anderswiberg7979 Před 4 lety +1614

    When Sarah Lynn sings "the needle drops" it may be a heroin reference

    • @hbluemole6941
      @hbluemole6941 Před 4 lety +49

      She snorted the heroin. She probably means it music wise

    • @anderswiberg7979
      @anderswiberg7979 Před 4 lety +75

      Well, dont know what they did on the bender and we know that she has had problems with drugs before so I think that its a double entendre

    • @lunaleonem3378
      @lunaleonem3378 Před 4 lety +63

      So it isn't a Fantano reference?

    • @anderswiberg7979
      @anderswiberg7979 Před 4 lety +11

      @@lunaleonem3378 , fuck, youre right

    • @hopoffmydick9574
      @hopoffmydick9574 Před 3 lety +7

      also im pretty sure heroin greatly affects your oxygen intake, and sarah lynn held her breath before falling down.

  • @Hello-eq4db
    @Hello-eq4db Před 2 lety +194

    The two freakiest/most completely miserable things in this show for me were the lobotomy of Beatrice's mother, and this episode, in its entirety

  • @jahjah7940
    @jahjah7940 Před 3 lety +75

    The perfect representation of „Show, don’t tell” i’ve seen in the past decade

  • @smcphee8499
    @smcphee8499 Před 4 lety +2606

    Just realize when Scretariat/Butterscotch and Bojack went to smoke they were stand on the bridge when Scretariat killed himself. And bojack looks over to see his body in the pool.

    • @greenclawclip
      @greenclawclip Před 3 lety +1

      Wait how did Butterscotch die again?

    • @talhahayat4419
      @talhahayat4419 Před 3 lety +58

      @@greenclawclip challenged a guy who insulted his novel to a duel, while taking the steps you take before turning around and shooting, he turned his head to ask the guy whether he'd even read his book, and tripped on a root, bashed his head and dies

    • @greenclawclip
      @greenclawclip Před 3 lety +7

      @@talhahayat4419 oh cause for some reason cause it was the body of secretariat and butterscotch they had both killed them selves

    • @greenclawclip
      @greenclawclip Před 3 lety

      @@talhahayat4419 but thank you:)

    • @blurned4221
      @blurned4221 Před 3 lety +1

      Yes

  • @HumansFreshlyBorn
    @HumansFreshlyBorn Před 3 lety +5916

    Outside of the horror of it, this episode REALLY understands what its like to be dreaming. The way they’ve all shifted in age, the fact that you cant tell what their relationships are at this point, the fact that bojack never asks any questions about it, its all exactly like a dream, good or bad.

    • @alyssapinon9670
      @alyssapinon9670 Před 2 lety +253

      And especially when Secretariat says “I know this part is confusing because I’m secretariat but also your dad”. It made me chuckle at how accurately Bojack Horseman portrays the quirks of the human brain.

    • @marthedreamer7629
      @marthedreamer7629 Před 2 lety +30

      @@chowdersalt It's hard to remember them, try writing them down as soon as you wake up and see how your dreams evolve as you grow older

    • @thonk7611
      @thonk7611 Před 2 lety +11

      @@chowdersalt if you have an alarm clock in the middle of your dream, you should be able to remember the dream you were having right before you woke up. if you remember really fast to write it down it should work

    • @leobrainard6311
      @leobrainard6311 Před 2 lety

      YEP

    • @Eric-eq3jx
      @Eric-eq3jx Před 2 lety +23

      Yeh like how the kitchen is mixed in with his family home kitchen and the horsin around kitchen, my dreams do that too

  • @kaleb749
    @kaleb749 Před rokem +94

    Never will fail to amaze me how perfect this episode is. Most tv shows don’t directly deal with the philosophy of death so directly and for so long. Yet this one did and knocked it out of the park. Probably the best tv episode ever

  • @dougthedonkey1805
    @dougthedonkey1805 Před 3 lety +164

    “Herb was eating peanuts, as his peanut allergy was related to his death”
    I forgot that detail and thought he was eating them because he’s gay…

  • @Nostylistbrad
    @Nostylistbrad Před 4 lety +2945

    Btw the lyric change Sarah Lynn did "old sport" was commonly said by Gatsby in the great Gatsby who died in a pool like bojack (wow 2.6k likes that's the most I've ever gotten thanks)

    • @sahil9151
      @sahil9151 Před 4 lety +111

      Bradley Paul waiting for the call of his beloved

    • @graced1446
      @graced1446 Před 4 lety +68

      After reading The Great Gatsby (ap lang and comp gang) there are quite a few parts of the great gatsby that you could tie to BoJack Horseman, such as the similarities between Nick Carraway and BoJack (Nick is very judgemental and his story is told as if he’s not even affecting what’s going on around him and he’s a victim of circumstance and not action) as well as all of the obvious class commentary, but this is an awesome observation!

    • @frombulapuhskinti7149
      @frombulapuhskinti7149 Před 4 lety +19

      Another connection is references such as the green light quote

    • @graced1446
      @graced1446 Před 4 lety +3

      Adam Castanos omg I hadn’t even thought of that!

    • @WeAreTheInsurgents
      @WeAreTheInsurgents Před 4 lety +9

      I think this might be a bit of a stretch. Sure, "old sport" is Gatsby's catchphrase but it wouldn't make sense to refer to The Great Gatsby as it has little to no correlation with this show, and therefore wouldn't add anything meaningful to the scene; the only similarities are that phrase and the fact that both of them died in a pool (and even that is a stretch since Gatsby is shot whereas BoJack just drowns from his own inebriation). Maybe I'm wrong and it's just an Easter egg or maybe there is a deeper correlation between the two, but on the surface, that connection seems a little far-fetched, especially since it's only said once to BoJack in the entire show (to my knowledge) and there seems to be no other obvious Great Gatsby references. I think it verges more on coincidence but, again, I may be completely wrong.

  • @avery465
    @avery465 Před 4 lety +1881

    Sarah Lynn was talking about how all her life she was denied the joy of eating burgers and fries when they were taking about what gave they're life meaning

    • @FloridaTesfay
      @FloridaTesfay Před 4 lety +8

      Oh thats deep

    • @yupman95
      @yupman95 Před 4 lety

      I don’t get it

    • @kallamarsspouse
      @kallamarsspouse Před 4 lety +211

      @Sean Creed
      Sarah Lynn had an eating disorder instilled in her by her abusive mother. Sarah Lynn barely ate because she was taught that if she wasn't skinny with big tits, the audience wouldn't love her anymore. That's why her last meal is something that's actually tasty and she doesn't have to feel guilty for it since she's dead.

    • @patapettarules7653
      @patapettarules7653 Před 4 lety +50

      Also maybe a metaphore for the career she wanted. She wanted to be an architect and she was also denied the joy of doing that

    • @Starmadien2019
      @Starmadien2019 Před 4 lety +46

      Shit that's like Beatrice not being allowed ice cream and sweets.

  • @justinhamilton8647
    @justinhamilton8647 Před 2 lety +58

    11:05 “Bojack’s best part was the time after his toxic childhood, and before future toxic decision making plagued his life. Before he started to make the kinds of mistakes that he couldn’t take back” chills at that line

  • @Revolio-Clockberg-jr
    @Revolio-Clockberg-jr Před 2 lety +90

    I think you missed one small but important detail about SLs song. The final line: "A song you taught me when I was small" sounds like its meant to imply that Bojack is responsible for SLs death in more ways than one. In S:1,E:3 Bojack tells SL that her fans are the only ones who matter which is probably why as an adult SL had such a grim outlook on her life and only listened to her sycophants as opposed to the people who wanted to help her.

  • @GershwinDecoBeck
    @GershwinDecoBeck Před 4 lety +1555

    'There is no other side.' I was fairly shaken by how they delivered that whole sequence. Being indifferent to the afterlife, this show managed to dislodge my comfort in that eternal unknown. Gotta live while you're alive. There's no redemption, there's no you, once you're gone . . .

    • @leguan278
      @leguan278 Před 4 lety +54

      I have always had it like this, just cause i would like something to be true, dosent mean it is, i would like there to be a afterlife but i know there isent even if it hurts admitting.
      But after this episode, i felt a little more stable about it, i wont go around taking everything so serious all the time cause we all end the same place, but i want to live life more as life should be lived.

    • @chadkennedy7855
      @chadkennedy7855 Před 4 lety +1

      "BlazBlue ACTIVATE!!!! BLACK ONSLAUGHT! I'll show you THE POWER OF THE AZURE, BoJack Horseman! I'LL SHOW YOU FEAR!!! There is no death... there is no hell... there is no other side... only darkness. ONLY THE VOID!!!! This is the power of the azure."~Ragna the Bloodedge

    • @taltigolt
      @taltigolt Před 4 lety +38

      i always see death as an escape this episodes made it just seem horrifying i think that was the message the writers wanted to give that death is not an escape there is no other side as we all hope it's a nothing

    • @chadkennedy7855
      @chadkennedy7855 Před 4 lety +4

      @@taltigolt That's why there is only darkness.

    • @ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502
      @ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 Před 4 lety +24

      @Lacey Kean you can't confirm anything, at best you just falsely belive that you can. You have never experienced death (you may have come very close for all I know but you are still alive) and therefore have no more knowledge of what happens after you die than anyone else.

  • @domb944
    @domb944 Před 3 lety +3819

    So hydrangeas are kept alive by being completely submerged by water, I think they were foreshadowing bojack in the water

    • @Johnny2Cellos
      @Johnny2Cellos  Před 3 lety +493

      Yooo, I like that better than anything I said about them haha

    • @goodcorwin627
      @goodcorwin627 Před 3 lety +172

      FFS how many more hidden meanings can we find in that single bloody flowerpot? How insanely good are those writers? Jesus. Seriously.

    • @RRonco
      @RRonco Před 3 lety +61

      Hydrangeas literally have water prefixed in their name. They need a constant water source during their blooming season or they'll die.

    • @aylishmorehouse666
      @aylishmorehouse666 Před 3 lety +72

      @@goodcorwin627 hydrangeas need a more alkaline soil to turn pink, a decaying body could cause a alkaline soil. The flowers are being colored by the death around them

    • @anarobles9795
      @anarobles9795 Před 2 lety +12

      @@aylishmorehouse666 holy cow

  • @MrShabindigo
    @MrShabindigo Před 2 lety +23

    When he and Sarah Lynn first walk into the house, he says "Thanks for having me, mom..." Interesting turn of phrase that I never noticed before

  • @ViolentSock
    @ViolentSock Před 2 lety +87

    Death is such a hard concept for me, so when I watched that episode I could barely get through it without choking down tears. This especially was a hard fight as it is a break down of the episode.

  • @laura-ni8ym
    @laura-ni8ym Před 3 lety +4472

    Amy Winfrey is such a genius. she directed this episode, Free Churro, Downer Ending, etc. and she has this distinct, scary but light-hearted tone to all of her work. She was so perfect for this episode. For those of you who don't know she was one of the original people behind South Park and she also created Making Fiends :)

    • @ShamelessLainLover
      @ShamelessLainLover Před 3 lety +49

      Wow, a network takes away her show and she goes on to direct stuff as good as this.

    • @DerAykac
      @DerAykac Před 3 lety +26

      According to "the sources" she was an animator for southpark. "Original people behind South Park" doesn´t quite fit well.

    • @yourmailishere
      @yourmailishere Před 3 lety +42

      Holy shit no way! I knew of her from making fiends. And now you're telling me she made all my fave bojack episodes?? I also love south park. What a legend

    • @brody10123
      @brody10123 Před 3 lety +36

      A lot of the best Bojack episodes were directed by Amy Winfrey, and some of the ones she didn’t direct still had her trademarks, eg the inner-monologue animation in Stupid Piece of Shit

    • @benvoliothefirst
      @benvoliothefirst Před 3 lety +5

      @@ShamelessLainLover Reminds me of Karen Kitada...

  • @ansleypayne9870
    @ansleypayne9870 Před 4 lety +2178

    when the last seasons came out, my friends and i had what we call “bojack parties” we would pile into a tiny room, order pizza and watch the seasons. we all had predictions on what the last episode was gonna be like. we all agreed that bojack was gonna die. my favorite was my friend’s who said hes gonna be on the edge of a building about to jump off, then someone stops him and says “hey are you the horse from horsing around?” and then the screen goes black and credits roll.

    • @nathanseper8738
      @nathanseper8738 Před 3 lety +276

      That would've been a surreal ending. But even the canon ending is kind of the same, in that there is nothing neat and tidy, with Bojack worrying about relapsing, even as he enjoys the nice night with Diane.

    • @narvo69
      @narvo69 Před 3 lety +127

      I thought the last moment of the show was all gonna be the end of the joke ''a horse walks into a bar...'' :')
      I feel stupid.

    • @amildlydisappointingsalad6058
      @amildlydisappointingsalad6058 Před 3 lety +8

      @@narvo69 that would be good

    • @ss-fg4bf
      @ss-fg4bf Před 3 lety +5

      We had Breaking Bad dinners.

    • @SerenityM16
      @SerenityM16 Před 3 lety +14

      I never got the idea that just because the ending is dark and impactful it means it’s the best ending. The thing about BoJack Horseman is that the show has always been cynical and depressed but ultimately hopeful, there’s always hope as the light of the end of the dark tunnel.

  • @pot_8_oes
    @pot_8_oes Před 2 lety +104

    I think the absolute best part of this episode was how it made me feel so conflicted at the ending. By the time the final minute was coming, I was bawling my eyes out. I had kind of expected BoJack to die the entire time I watched the show, and I thought that this episode was going to be it for him, the finale a final note on all the other characters. A part of me didn't want him to die, but at the same time it felt natural. And when the final credits played, hearing the monitor beeping and that BoJack had lived, I was in complete shock. I still debate with myself if BoJack living is what I truly wanted to happen.

  • @lastlife0726
    @lastlife0726 Před 3 lety +31

    I think the depiction of Herb is really sweet. They ended things on bad terms, and it would make sense for Bojack, being Bojack, to villainize Herb in his head, to depict him as being just as antagonistic as in that last encounter between them, but throughout the episode not only is Herb amicable and fun spirited, he is genuinely supporting others (Secretariat and Bojack) as they face their mortality. "Find your peace, big guy."

  • @turdblaster923
    @turdblaster923 Před 3 lety +1340

    Imagine how dark this would be if this episode was the finale, and the heart monitor at the end never beeped

    • @jkspam
      @jkspam Před 3 lety +149

      I like the show’s ending as is, but I imagine I probably would have been perfectly content had that actually been the end of the show

    • @comfyreadss
      @comfyreadss Před 3 lety +241

      i totally understand the desire for this hard hitting ending but i think i disagree that it would've been more meaningful. personally i think if the show ended with bojack's death it would've contradicted the message of the show & potentially been super detrimental to people who related to him. so much of the show is holding onto the fact that no matter what mistakes you make or how bad you feel, life keeps going. that there will be tomorrow to turn things around; "life's a bitch and then you keep living". bojack is addicted to chasing the highest highs & lowest lows, hence why he does drugs & wallows in his depression. the writers deciding to instantly take us out of that lowest of lows & instead end of an ambiguous, borderline unfinished story (just as life is) was the most fitting end & a testament to the lessons of the show!

    • @hq3802
      @hq3802 Před 3 lety +50

      @@infinitech_industries One of the re-occuring themes in Bojack horseman is that there is always the next day, even if you are on the lowest point of your life , life will keep going and it goes the opposite way also, even if you have a good day in your life , you dont know how tomorrow will be. There is always time for repenting and bettering yourself. You can notice this patern in every season , in which episode 11 is the episode where things get fucked up and episode 12 is the episode in which there is some light shed in bojack life, episode 12 represents the next day . While bojack dying in the end would be dramatic , it would contradict the message this show wanted to pass for over 5 seasons. As Diane said life's a bitch and then you keep living

    • @ava85898
      @ava85898 Před 2 lety +7

      Or even if it did beep and you were left thinking 'Is he alive?? What happenned??'

    • @crackedrobin4626
      @crackedrobin4626 Před 2 lety +4

      @@jkspam the point of the show is to not give up and learn how to care at least how I see it so I disagree

  • @JayJay-sl8du
    @JayJay-sl8du Před 4 lety +2129

    In free churro, Bojack mentions how his mother had a dress that she would only wear to these parties and i always figured it was her debutante ball dress. Later Bojack said how his father watched his mother dance in awe, just like that first night they met. Idk i thought thats also why she had that dress on. It made sense to me that she would wear her nicest dress again to a dinner party, like this one kinda is.

    • @hbluemole6941
      @hbluemole6941 Před 4 lety +29

      Yeah, why should Bojack know her debutante dress if not for that

    • @name-fv4du
      @name-fv4du Před 4 lety +24

      I'm happy we got to see the dance he mentioned in free churro

    • @lucyhampel4518
      @lucyhampel4518 Před 4 lety +12

      Also the shadow on bojack of Beatrice’s dance directly mirrors the one from the episode Free Churro

  • @badgermcwaffles4834
    @badgermcwaffles4834 Před 11 měsíci +26

    I actually love how he doesn't die here. Why? Because the entire series he says "then you die" but at the end, Diane says "or you keep living" and it was the reason why the short last season is still amazing and this is one of my favorite shows of all time. Death was an almost escape from all the things he's done but at the end he needs to live and deal with it as a true punishment

    • @czperiod2576
      @czperiod2576 Před měsícem

      I like that, but he did die. Gina was never in Fire Flame, so the last episode was just Bojack trying to put his mind at ease.

  • @frankhunter8703
    @frankhunter8703 Před rokem +30

    One of the greatest lines spoken in the entirety of the show is probably Herb's final words to Bojack. Bojack inquires that he will see him on the other side and Herb simply says oh Bojack no, there is no otherside this is it. All this while slowly being absorbed by the same black tar that symbolized death

  • @majaenya8652
    @majaenya8652 Před 4 lety +3976

    I've become a bit obsessed with watching Bojack Horseman analysis videos and this is the best one I've seen, it's incredibly insightful

    • @Johnny2Cellos
      @Johnny2Cellos  Před 4 lety +60

      Thank you so much!

    • @krakir3242
      @krakir3242 Před 4 lety +22

      This was very good, but i also recommend you the videos Savage Books did on Bojack

    • @Johnny2Cellos
      @Johnny2Cellos  Před 4 lety +35

      Savage is top notch

    • @RickGrimes-ev3wp
      @RickGrimes-ev3wp Před 4 lety +2

      Fr

    • @ndm13
      @ndm13 Před 4 lety

      Honestly the Savage one seemed really basic. This one was top notch though.

  • @enzomthethwa5861
    @enzomthethwa5861 Před 3 lety +3257

    BoJack Horseman is the one show, in which binge watching is dangerous for your mental health. Take it one episode at a time.

    • @jazlynnrobison2681
      @jazlynnrobison2681 Před 2 lety +337

      too late- now I'm awake at 2:35 in the morning and crying because I feel a million things at once. 😎

    • @kazumak.1542
      @kazumak.1542 Před 2 lety +275

      It helps me understand my deep rooted truma. Its therapy

    • @FizzyFezzy
      @FizzyFezzy Před 2 lety +317

      I binged the whole thing in 6 days. I am not okay.

    • @snippard1793
      @snippard1793 Před 2 lety +144

      I binged the first 4 seasons In 3 days and had to stop. Needed a serious break.

    • @DroseraNara
      @DroseraNara Před 2 lety +79

      Just finished the last episode today.. I haven't slept in 24 hours

  • @bradyweed4124
    @bradyweed4124 Před 2 lety +28

    I imagine that every character takes the form where BoJack thought they were most themselves. Corduroy is dressed like when he died (giving in to his kink), Beatrice is dressed exactly how she was before she met Butterscotch which would lead to her wasting her life on him, and Sarah Lynn has no concrete form throughout because she never got to figure out who she was.

  • @sage_mints29
    @sage_mints29 Před rokem +55

    All time stamps for this amazing video analogy:
    1:18- The Hydrangeas
    2:48- Painting and Portraits
    4:38- The Bird
    5:58- The Dinner Guests
    8:06- Best Part, Worst Part
    11:16- The Show
    19:19- The View from Halfway Down
    Thank you so much for such an amazing analysis Johnny 2 Cellos!

  • @gramboni0624
    @gramboni0624 Před 3 lety +2540

    One thing I found was an interesting subject is Crackerjack. Bojack grew up with the constant reminder that his mother loved her brother more than him. Now in the situation where Bojack is able to speak to Crackerjack everyone treats him like a hero who died fighting against the Axis. But Bojack's version of him is of a cowardly soldier who only ever shot his own men and was killed by a bullet that had previously killed the general he was supposed to be defending. Bojack does everything he can to tear down the man who he sees as having taken his mother's love.

    • @frankielovejoy9928
      @frankielovejoy9928 Před 2 lety +564

      This actually reminds me of how Crackerjack and Beatrice entered the door. It's obvious that, in real life, Crackerjack's death caused a domino effect on Beatrice's life. In a way, he took her down with him, just like in the dream.
      But in real life, it was accidental. In the dream, Crackerjack intentionally ties the ribbon around himself to purposely drag Beatrice into the door.
      This always struck me as Bojack subconsciously blaming Crackerjack for everything that went wrong in his life. If he hadn't died, Honey wouldn't have been lobotomized, Beatrice would never have been left alone with an emotionally absent father, she never would have met Butterscotch, and Bojack would have never been born and never had such a sucky childhood.
      To Bojack, it's all because of Crackerjack.

    • @WillowJordan1979
      @WillowJordan1979 Před 2 lety +211

      That reminds me of way back in the first episodes, when Bojack gave his rant about the troops on TV. He questioned the heroism of soldiers and had to backtrack and apologize. Could well be from that trauma of always being compared to your uncle, who you can never live up to.

  • @alexpiuze877
    @alexpiuze877 Před 3 lety +1226

    What if Beatrice is wearing the dress from the debutant ball because that was the night that bojack was conceived, which could be the night that her life figuratively ended (since she was so unhappy with her life onward)

  • @mattnorton5787
    @mattnorton5787 Před rokem +23

    I don't know if anybody else has pointed this out, but Bojack's views on troops being heroes in episode two were fueled by him having his uncle's heroism shoved down his throat growing up.

  • @katrinamcgregor4467
    @katrinamcgregor4467 Před 2 lety +41

    the tar was chasing him and how it finally consumed him, I think is a metaphor for his life, he did so many terrible things *and it finally came back to consume him* but he still was able to get out of it because he was trying and you can see the him trying since season 4 but he ultimately always gets consumed by the tar sadly, it’s a terrible cycle

  • @ethanaku7163
    @ethanaku7163 Před 3 lety +1625

    Also, in the dining room, the fireplace behind BoJack is glowing very brightly because he still has life in him. But then fireplace starts to dim later on as the episode progressed.