LeBron James Smash Bros. Is a Very Fun, Very Evil Disaster

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  • čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
  • ...plus it breaks a couple federal laws, probably.
    We'll get to that.
    Join the unofficial Competitive Multiversus Discord community: / discord
    Report fraud to the FTC: reportfraud.ft...
    Follow me on Twitter: / wdbthtgp
    (I'll post the Warner Bros. Discovery stock update there in about a month!)
    Join our Discord server for a fun community featuring various 'unique' medieval themed emotes and stickers: / discord
    Steam thread of changes from the beta on release:
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    *I am not in any way affiliated with the FTC, EUIPO, Multiversus, the owners of the unofficial Multiversus Competitive Discord server, the manufacturers of Bugs Bunny shaped frozen confections, or any other organizations or companies mentioned in this video. Also, while I've attempted to review the facts as fairly as possible, I am not a lawyer, and any claims about potential violations of federal consumer protection law are made purely with the intent of having such claims reviewed by qualified professionals at the FTC in accordance with the guidelines for consumer reporting posted on their website. Furthermore, this video contains a reference to EUTM filing number 018753040 "Big Chungus", a known cognitohazard. I am not responsible for any physical or psychological injury incurred as a result of exposure to EUTM-018753040 "Big Chungus."
    Big Chungus Trademark: euipo.europa.e...

Komentáře • 1,4K

  • @TheBaldingPied
    @TheBaldingPied Před 29 dny +1878

    Dang I wish there was some government entity i could contact about these predatory microtransactions. I wonder what website I can go to report such fraud?

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 29 dny +754

      What a great question. I wonder if anyone reading this has any suggestions? Personally, if I had to choose, it would be reportfraud.ftc.gov/

    • @madmyth-hy9gi
      @madmyth-hy9gi Před 29 dny +196

      ​@WhyDo wow, what a nice website!!

    • @AED647
      @AED647 Před 29 dny +147

      @WhyDo Ah! A simple and easy (and legal) solution!

    • @Pffer-fsh
      @Pffer-fsh Před 29 dny +37

      ​@@WhyDo Wow, thanks for this! I will be showing these people who's the boss!

    • @Manavine
      @Manavine Před 29 dny

      @@WhyDo Can't wait to see them get charged 100 bucks for the 100million billion trillion in dollars they scammed

  • @benro6564
    @benro6564 Před 29 dny +1077

    I didn't know the monetization was quite this bad. The "get Agent Smith free" thing is diabolical in such a cartoonishly anti-consumer fashion.

    • @johnnybrasil1572
      @johnnybrasil1572 Před 29 dny +7

      It wasn't. It could be done at ease by playing like 5 minutes per day.

    • @YkExoxxic
      @YkExoxxic Před 29 dny +108

      ​@johnnybrasil1572 cap, ts is so time consuming

    • @thetimmon
      @thetimmon Před 29 dny

      ​@@johnnybrasil1572"Free"
      "just spend 5 minutes a minute grinding bro!!!"

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 Před 29 dny +74

      That’s objectively wrong especially since they locked half the difficulties options for no reason

    • @arkvoodleofthesacredcrotch6060
      @arkvoodleofthesacredcrotch6060 Před 29 dny

      EVERY event that claims you can earn a cool reward ends up being locked behind needing a purchase. The current one requires skins from the skin line you are working towards "earning" one of lol

  • @Thaddeus_Crews
    @Thaddeus_Crews Před 29 dny +275

    I will forever be envious of the Multiversus team managing to make crossover VA look easy

    • @JoelTheParrot
      @JoelTheParrot Před 29 dny +5

      loool

    • @AwesomeMooseSmile
      @AwesomeMooseSmile Před 29 dny +44

      I still remember your tweet in response to the announcement that multiversus will have full-fledged voice acting feeling like Mr Incredible from the Incredible 2 when he found out that Elastigirl saved an entire train without any casualties.

  • @Imprez2564
    @Imprez2564 Před 29 dny +1083

    "every character looks like they're getting dragged around the screen by a mouse"
    YOU FINALLY PUT INTO WORDS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN, THE PHYSICS ARE JUST... WRONG

    • @borkbork9541
      @borkbork9541 Před 29 dny +131

      Seriously, the second he added that mouse in the clip it genuinely looked better to me, like the movement finally made Sense

    • @samt3412
      @samt3412 Před 29 dny +37

      It looks like they move around, do an attack animation, and then go back to moving around with no transition between the two

    • @nathanlevesque7812
      @nathanlevesque7812 Před 29 dny +6

      and it was glaringly turbofcked like that on day 1 of the original release

    • @EditUnivers75
      @EditUnivers75 Před 28 dny +15

      @@nathanlevesque7812Good point. Now it looks bad, AND feels sluggish to play.

    • @admiralAlfonso9001
      @admiralAlfonso9001 Před 28 dny +9

      35:15

  • @VarsVerum
    @VarsVerum Před 29 dny +1382

    I had to drag WhyDo out of his mom's basement to get him to make this video. Hope you guys are happy.

  • @hatmaster7774
    @hatmaster7774 Před 29 dny +343

    Don't mess with us MultiVersus fans, we fucking hate the game

    • @reroll4867
      @reroll4867 Před 26 dny +3

      ong but im still fucking up shaggy

    • @mrmemes170
      @mrmemes170 Před 26 dny

      i love it

    • @juliova2315
      @juliova2315 Před 16 dny

      We are going to join to the party to destroy that souless game

  • @lordflameXIX
    @lordflameXIX Před 29 dny +334

    Most people wouldn’t know this, but Jon diesta the art director for this game is the same one from Disney infinity and it’s super apparent when you look at the styles.

    • @KangaDrewTV
      @KangaDrewTV Před 29 dny +21

      Thanks for the knowledge

    • @Nephentine
      @Nephentine Před 29 dny +61

      That makes a ton of sense. Disney Infinity wasn't a perfect game (it was pretty bad actually) but it did a fantastic job of representing tons of franchises in one cohesive art style.

    • @jaybanyan4417
      @jaybanyan4417 Před 28 dny +12

      Neat, yeah now that I think about it they look similar

    • @pablogarcia6188
      @pablogarcia6188 Před 28 dny +10

      thats accualy awsome

    • @ajgameguy3674
      @ajgameguy3674 Před 26 dny +12

      Damn, first Disney Infinity getting gutted, and now Multiverse going through freemium hell with an extremely conflicted fanbase.
      Poor guy can't catch a break.

  • @majoraxx2427
    @majoraxx2427 Před 29 dny +425

    My Wonder Woman skin that I bought in beta was never given back to me 😂.
    David Zaslav (CEO of Warner) you got me again dude very funny prank !!

    • @Literallii
      @Literallii Před 29 dny +4

      I got all my items n more…

    • @De_an
      @De_an Před 29 dny +67

      @@Literallii Wow man, that's so awesome for you and only you.

    • @tvoltage
      @tvoltage Před 29 dny

      @@Literallii brother you are dense as hell if you don't see a problem

    • @thyduke3010
      @thyduke3010 Před 29 dny +62

      @@Literallii”I still haven’t gotten my things from when I supported the game in beta.” “Well only if you supported the game in beta…”

    • @Rickydickydodahgrimes.
      @Rickydickydodahgrimes. Před 29 dny

      That sounds like a skill issue

  • @buffy5664
    @buffy5664 Před 29 dny +610

    it's starting to seem like plat-fighter fans are in an abusive relationship with an entire genre

    • @Wavedashnoir
      @Wavedashnoir Před 29 dny +52

      Literally, each game we love has something terrible about it. And the ones we want to love just suck😂

    • @maxlimit9129
      @maxlimit9129 Před 29 dny +109

      save me rivals 2

    • @peterpeter5035
      @peterpeter5035 Před 29 dny +6

      Bh is fine

    • @MisterZebra42
      @MisterZebra42 Před 29 dny +34

      Rivals 2 will deliver us from all the sins of the past

    • @Wavedashnoir
      @Wavedashnoir Před 29 dny +5

      @@MisterZebra42 rivals 2 will probably have a content issue no?

  • @FelinoJogador
    @FelinoJogador Před 29 dny +381

    The Reindog point reminds me of this one time AlphaRad mentioned on a video that on one his sponsored Multiversus videos, he had poked fun on a lot of the characters, silly jabs and insults, and whoever was in charge of making sure the video was up to WB standards was okay with all of it.... Except Reindog, any jab like "Reddit bait dog" or things of the sort was asked to be removed because they cared too much about Reindog

    • @Moi_Ari
      @Moi_Ari Před 29 dny +73

      thats utterly pathetic of them lmfao.... (not alpharad btw)

    • @ethanxpsp2770
      @ethanxpsp2770 Před 29 dny +38

      That's freaking stupid and petty that alpharad couldn't make fun of reindog

    • @samuelsolomon7330
      @samuelsolomon7330 Před 29 dny +64

      For some strange reason, Reindog has never been available as a free rotation character since the launch. Joker managed to be playable for free before Reindog.

    • @Ballsackson
      @Ballsackson Před 26 dny +4

      ⁠@@Moi_Ariimagine if Reindog is something like one of the developer’s children’s ideas? Would you be cool with people shitting on your kids stuff? Video Game Devs include homages to people they care about frequently

    • @shenwoo666hellbrawl
      @shenwoo666hellbrawl Před 26 dny +56

      ​@@Ballsackson Well maybe if they put their mascot in an actually good game they wouldn't have to worry about that. Moreover you don't put things in a game and not expect people to not make fun of it, nobody is entitled to anybody's respect that's just life

  • @simplyeyeronic1443
    @simplyeyeronic1443 Před 29 dny +840

    Whydo you did not need to send me into a minor panic attack with the big chungus trademark

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 29 dny +290

      This is what the disclaimer in the video description is for, I am not legally liable for any cognitohazard related injuries

    • @themanager10yearsago29
      @themanager10yearsago29 Před 29 dny +13

      I had a oanick attack reading this

    • @theidiotchildren
      @theidiotchildren Před 28 dny

      The word chungus was created by James Stephanie Sterling over a decade ago and means "chunky anus".

    • @heinrichdubloon3139
      @heinrichdubloon3139 Před 28 dny +26

      We really are living in an age where companies are trademarking memes they didn't make. Copyright needs reform.

    • @maloro9085
      @maloro9085 Před 26 dny +5

      They put big chungus in the loony toons game which is funny

  • @minervaselysium137
    @minervaselysium137 Před 29 dny +143

    god damn didnt know i was going to report Warner bros to the FTC but everyday is new day full of surprises

  • @Heebie-Deebies
    @Heebie-Deebies Před 29 dny +95

    I put 300 hours into Multiversus before realizing 299 of those hours were spent in misery and deleted it

    • @KangaDrewTV
      @KangaDrewTV Před 28 dny +1

      Fuck rifts

    • @qdakid7776
      @qdakid7776 Před 26 dny +7

      Which hour was the good one

    • @bobbycrofts9241
      @bobbycrofts9241 Před 24 dny

      Probably the first hour​@@qdakid7776

    • @bumibomber
      @bumibomber Před 23 dny +8

      ​@@qdakid7776The 1 hour he got to play as Iron Giant, before promptly having him removed from the game

  • @amaannaqvi8417
    @amaannaqvi8417 Před 29 dny +596

    Big Chungus is already a character in the Looney Tunes mobile game, meaning there is already a model, moveset, and voice lines ready to go
    He will arrive soon.

    • @HVVVVVVVV
      @HVVVVVVVV Před 29 dny +7

      💀

    • @theidiotchildren
      @theidiotchildren Před 28 dny

      The word chungus was created by James Stephanie Sterling over a decade ago and means "chunky anus".

    • @alexgameland5177
      @alexgameland5177 Před 28 dny +9

      well according to leakers, yeah he will appear as character eventully

    • @HVVVVVVVV
      @HVVVVVVVV Před 28 dny +2

      @@alexgameland5177 ☠️

    • @PoorStargazer
      @PoorStargazer Před 27 dny

      7 years late in that meme

  • @MrMockRock
    @MrMockRock Před 28 dny +105

    Really, really well done! I did my own deep-dive review of MultiVersus awhile back, but even after wallowing through this game myself for weeks, it was still insightful to see it from the perspective of a) someone doing everything free-to-play, b) someone who's seen months more post-launch work done, and c) someone who's studied Federal Trade Commission publishings LMAO

    • @RougeMephilesClone
      @RougeMephilesClone Před 28 dny +4

      Dang, MockRock and Thaddeus in a WhyDo comment section. This video's current views doesn't reflect how hard it feels like it's popping off.

    • @Nopal_ku
      @Nopal_ku Před 28 dny +4

      Yeah this game is a massive disappointment.
      Also quick sidenote the GAME RUNS WORSE in lower end devices the beta I could play 4 player local in my laptop no problem. Now with the engine switch it's a lot more resource intensive and lags on my laptop

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 26 dny +26

      I LOVE THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION WOOOOOO!!!!

    • @TanookyTeneka
      @TanookyTeneka Před 24 dny

      Why are you commenting on your own video

    • @IneffableMasquerade
      @IneffableMasquerade Před 22 dny +2

      ​@@TanookyTenekagod forbid people interact with their fans 💀

  • @omegahaxors9-11
    @omegahaxors9-11 Před 29 dny +188

    "If you want to make a game free-to-play, you need to be OK with people playing your game for free" - extra credits

  • @BigothyArchibaldBusiness
    @BigothyArchibaldBusiness Před 29 dny +81

    Genuinely feels like this game treats its "Free To Play" players as "Free"loaders. At every turn in PvE, you're paying money. At some points where you would need to spend money, you could have bought a new and better game, (and often not even pay) for the amount of money you spent.

  • @Cubeytheawesome
    @Cubeytheawesome Před 29 dny +62

    David Zaslav hit Warner Brothers like how crack hit low-income neighborhoods in the 80s

  • @Dryskle
    @Dryskle Před 27 dny +55

    Whenever Reindog is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "where is Reindog?"

    • @terence7009
      @terence7009 Před 25 dny

      genius

    • @IDKWhatToPutHereSo
      @IDKWhatToPutHereSo Před 23 dny +3

      Thatll really raise their stock prices

    • @TestPlayer5
      @TestPlayer5 Před 12 dny +3

      What if lebron in the finale of bugs Bunny smash bros says, “Lebron, what a joke,” throws his ball away, and uses reindog’s gem in his honor

  • @christopherkokko1834
    @christopherkokko1834 Před 29 dny +169

    The worst part about my 400+ hours of MVS (release, not beta) has to be the fact that, no matter how much hope I have for this game to succeed and no matter who I ask, I and many others have NO IDEA what is going on. We know mid season patches are coming but no idea what's in them until AT BEST the day before. We have a community manager that leaves the community unmanaged and tweets more about 2XKO than Jabversus. Multiversus twitter, PFG, and even the community representatives like NAKAT and AJAX are more interested in saying beetlejuice beetlejuice than anything that will give hope to it's tired playerbase. The entire gameplay can be summed up to be "fishes for nair", "fishes for jab", and "sucks don't play them". For a game that supposedly discourages camping, clinging to the wall and not interacting with your opponent until they get impatient and whiff is the best gameplay strategy. Those big flashy moves that would normally be punished by shielding aren't even punishable now since 99% of the moves you think would have any sort of whiff lag just don't? It sucks that they preached greater communication when the best we get is a showcase of something that nobody cares about because the fundamental core of the game is equivalent to Chernobyl.

  • @cantreed6214
    @cantreed6214 Před 29 dny +351

    dude I'm at the part where I'm having a literal scam explained to me and I'm like "dear God. okay well. I get why this game sucks now" and then I look at the timeline and there's 40 MORE MINUTES OF SHIT??? YO???? is this game fucking cooked??jesus christ man

  • @nunyabiznes7446
    @nunyabiznes7446 Před 28 dny +47

    Actually, Iron Giant's instant kill counter move is a ludonarrative reference to his original source material, a movie about how attacking people is bad

  • @CaptainWobbs
    @CaptainWobbs Před 29 dny +49

    I was actually an alpha tester for this game, and it’s crushing to see what they’ve done with it.

  • @tehquiper6796
    @tehquiper6796 Před 29 dny +216

    that 5/10 was actually generous. wth

  • @emeraldgiss
    @emeraldgiss Před 29 dny +83

    This is also one of Mark Hamil's final times as the joker, due to his batman passing.

    • @iponce2
      @iponce2 Před 29 dny +31

      "His batman passing." Feels/10. Conroy was a spark of light.

    • @blok--head7472
      @blok--head7472 Před 21 dnem +2

      The Arkham series, or that one end scene to Killing Joke are good enough for me.

  • @ToddSnap3
    @ToddSnap3 Před 29 dny +46

    I was completely caught off guard by the trademark. It was like I heard the name of my fathers killer

  • @axr1798
    @axr1798 Před 29 dny +275

    Mock Rock and Whydo are the same person confirmed.

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 29 dny +241

      I recently did the Shuckle part for MockRock's 'Ranking ALL 1025 Pokémon As Smash 6 Fighters!' - it was a lot of fun and he was great to talk to - however I can confirm we are not the same person, as there is nobody on this Earth who is a bigger fan of Shuckle than me. In fact, his favorite Pokemon is NOT EVEN Shuckle - a borderline unforgivable offense

    • @competitively3315
      @competitively3315 Před 29 dny +11

      @@WhyDoI’d love if you did more collabs with him if the opportunity ever comes around as when it comes to smashtubers or anything around that environment you two basically the only ones I watch.

    • @PotofGlue
      @PotofGlue Před 29 dny

      @@WhyDoyou don't fuckle with shuckle

    • @nolanj.3897
      @nolanj.3897 Před 29 dny +7

      @@WhyDo Glad to see another Shuckle enjoyer around

    • @googa9689
      @googa9689 Před 29 dny

      Sameee, I mean I watch the underdogs sometimes but these two are the only ones I consistently watch and enjoy​@@competitively3315

  • @bobtheguyyyyy
    @bobtheguyyyyy Před 29 dny +53

    “*Not a complete list”
    Well, obviously. You very clearly left out Kung Fu Panda: Showdown of the Legendary Legends.

    • @TheJubberGubb
      @TheJubberGubb Před 27 dny +4

      Nice lol

    • @rigboy1234
      @rigboy1234 Před 26 dny +2

      That game was the goat
      (Jk It was decent, but I still liked It when I was younger)

    • @OpinionatedGamer
      @OpinionatedGamer Před 20 dny

      @@rigboy1234 I never played it but I remember finding out about it as a kid, watching gameplay, getting super excited about it and then being horribly disappointed to find out that it was no longer purchasable on steam. Game legit looked pretty fun tho iirc.

  • @MaxGiven-on4ii
    @MaxGiven-on4ii Před 29 dny +140

    19:30 WELCOME BACK BRAWL META KNIGHT

  • @liveoptimistic
    @liveoptimistic Před 29 dny +42

    WhyDo I need you to know that this review is some of the most incredible games journalism I've ever seen. This is such a thorough dissection of every aspect of a major release analyzing every element and choice that make up the final product, and most impressively you did it completely and entirely in good faith.
    I so desperately hope the lead devs at Player First Games get a chance to see this and maybe even more importantly, the correct mid-level exec at WB games. This is a thorough and earnest step-by-step guide for both the developers and the business office to turning this disaster into something beautiful complete with industry comparisons to aspire to that helps more removed higher-ups understand the actual value proposition of implementing these changes.
    "Multiversus is a game where the whole is so much worse than the sum of its parts" ........... damn.

  • @alexmuir7505
    @alexmuir7505 Před 29 dny +119

    Thought you meant LeBron James Smash Bros the same way people say Sans Undertale to refer to what game a character is from and was very confused for a sec

  • @dimwiddy9808
    @dimwiddy9808 Před 29 dny +45

    Multiversus is what it feels like to fight someone in a dream

  • @mbmproductions9217
    @mbmproductions9217 Před 29 dny +55

    when you brought up the characters unlocked timeline I genuinely thought you were about to say that you permanently lost access to the Iron Giant after they released him from balancing prison which does not reflect well on the rest of the game

  • @Irish_Enderman
    @Irish_Enderman Před 29 dny +37

    After everything you said, then gave it a 5/10 and said "it might sound harsh" I was quite surprised
    That actually sounds pretty generous to me lol

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 29 dny +16

      Lmao looking back I might value 'fun' a little too much...
      I did have a lot of initial fun in doubles, but to me a 4/10 game is where games start to have 0 redeeming qualities. Yes this one is pure evil but if it's evil AND chaotic/fun for a while... it gets a few points!

    • @Irish_Enderman
      @Irish_Enderman Před 29 dny +12

      @@WhyDo I don't know, I have very little experience in the game but 4/10 sounds right to me from what I've played plus what I learned from this video, but everyone has different standards for a __/10 rating system so it's understandable.
      Either way, I just want to say I loved the video, really funny, very informative and it's just generally really well made

    • @freddiesimmons1394
      @freddiesimmons1394 Před 15 dny +1

      ​@@WhyDo is 5 average? Or are you one of those "7 is average" people

  • @MrCruz-cf3lf
    @MrCruz-cf3lf Před 29 dny +429

    Multiversus is the Overwatch of fighter games

    • @Hawkatana
      @Hawkatana Před 29 dny +82

      Worse, it's the Overwatch *2* of fighting games.

    • @Fanstasticbook
      @Fanstasticbook Před 29 dny +43

      ​@@Hawkatana at least overwatch characters are finally free, this game is slightly more greedier then OW2 atm

    • @butter_0021
      @butter_0021 Před 29 dny +8

      Now I’m just sad remembering that this Overwatch season just kind of sucks.

    • @bld9826
      @bld9826 Před 29 dny +13

      Why would you complement the game like that when it charged you money for almost all its characters?
      Overwatch gives you all the characters for free, hell, not even Smash does that, and that's after you pay up front for the game!

    • @Cubeytheawesome
      @Cubeytheawesome Před 29 dny

      I don’t see any nsfw

  • @SairekCeareste
    @SairekCeareste Před 29 dny +28

    I wish more people talked about the literally illegal practices this game does.
    Also, there's still plenty of people who bought Founder packs in the beta and STILL DO NOT HAVE THEIR FOUNDER PACKS FROM THE BETA and Warner Brothers support *refuses* to respond to them or give them refunds. All they reply with is "we're investigating" and ghosting them. It's such crap.

  • @-sk8-437
    @-sk8-437 Před 29 dny +97

    The length of this video really explains the six month wait. I love the videos, glad yer still here.

  • @Amirrorofmirrors
    @Amirrorofmirrors Před 29 dny +153

    “This music makes me feel like I’m at a bugs bunny themed funeral! Bugs bunny is dead.” -whydo 2024

  • @Afrohawk512
    @Afrohawk512 Před 29 dny +32

    Man that animation bit is such an eye opener. Like you, I always felt like something was off but could never put it into words. But now it totally makes sense. I never noticed just how much characters just glide along the floor if they're still doing an aerial attack when hitting the ground. Some animations look good but how the actual movement of the character around the stage doesn't match. Wonder Woman's forward special attack is a good example; the actual anticipation of her charging up the attack is there but she slows down her momentum and then gains it in the punch but it moves her whole body very stiffly. It doesn't help that you can even control her momentum, almost making it look like she barely moved. From a gameplay perspective it's somewhat nice to be able to have that control but visually it doesn't look right at times.

  • @KrispyKorpse
    @KrispyKorpse Před 29 dny +39

    Towards the end I was starting to get worried cause we got to the end of the ice burg without any mention of the illegal stuff. The last 10 minutes by far did not disappoint and made it up completely

  • @thundercharged1
    @thundercharged1 Před 28 dny +25

    It was so funny seeing Meowmix absolutely exasperated with this game knowing he was one of the best players for both Super Shrek Slam and Kirby Fighters 2, both certified kusoge

  • @mystik_owl
    @mystik_owl Před 29 dny +76

    DOES THIS MEAN WE'L GET MORE ITEM BREAKERS?!
    Missed ya WhyDo, glad you're back!

    • @Siennarchist
      @Siennarchist Před 29 dny +7

      Truly the best smash bros content on the internet, its amazing

  • @samsee_ca
    @samsee_ca Před 29 dny +136

    NINETY-THREE MINUTES?!?!?
    about THIS game?!?!?
    WhyDo you crazy sunnuvagun

    • @michaelkarim57
      @michaelkarim57 Před 29 dny +20

      He could’ve spent those 93 minutes trying to unlock 1/20 of a character smh

    • @Daluckyplays
      @Daluckyplays Před 11 dny

      ​@@michaelkarim57 More like .00000000001% of a character.

  • @Tomcatadam
    @Tomcatadam Před 29 dny +27

    > Take away all the pawns to make... Super Chess
    David Sirlin's "Chess 2: The Sequel" out here catching strays.

  • @Cartoonshi
    @Cartoonshi Před 25 dny +12

    figuring out how to say the "Big Chungus trademark jumpscare" was the hardest I've laughed in weeks without harming myself and those around me

  • @DonnyKirkMusic
    @DonnyKirkMusic Před 25 dny +9

    Reindog explained (sort of):
    There is a lot of evidence in the files of the beta tests, and from the actual devs, that show that the game was initially going to be a fantasy-themed platform fighter, with very few actual "known" characters (they were planning on having Gandalf in that version but he was removed, and his attacks were recycled into Rick's? That's what I've heard at least, but there is a screenshot going around of Gandalf on the unused level in the files).
    Reindog was the original idea for a character that was supposed to be just a random fighter in the original version, and seemed to be much more of a bruiser character (you can see in the concept art that Reindog looks pretty strong compared to now, where they cutesy'd him up a lot)
    "Some of the strings inside the game's code refer to Reindog as "Creature" or "Rex"." - MVS unofficial wiki
    Also Banana Guard was programmed in as a PVE enemy in the actual adventure mode that they had scrapped for the pay-to-win PVE they have now, he was just going to be a random mob at first and there was an item in free-for-all which spawned him as well.

  • @aidenzorn8322
    @aidenzorn8322 Před 29 dny +19

    The big chungus trademark is the only thing in a long time to send me into genuine uncontrollable maniacal laughter

  • @dwililith
    @dwililith Před 29 dny +57

    I'm pretty sure Big Chungus was found in the files in the beta alongside Pickle Rick as well so uh yeah

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 29 dny +33

      I'd heard that rumor too, but I couldn't find any evidence for it, let me know if you find anything! I mostly just saw the trademark filing (which is terrifying)

    • @Rickydickydodahgrimes.
      @Rickydickydodahgrimes. Před 29 dny +3

      Pickle Rick was the only one in the files, but big Chungus was leaked but i don't think that he will be realesed

  • @RTDelete
    @RTDelete Před 27 dny +11

    I genuinely think the reason Multiverses has the physics it does is because the dev team showed it to the WB execs and they were like “I don’t understand any of this could you slow it down?”
    Same with the Unreal Engine switch, feels like the Execs went “well you’re using Unreal 4, why not update to that new one?” Understanding nothing at all other than ‘more recent and made the mandolorian’

  • @xenobrina7880
    @xenobrina7880 Před 29 dny +26

    Adding on a bit:
    - The perk system is incredibly shallow even compared to the beta. A dozen of the perks were removed, and many of the remaining ones are still useless. At most, you're going to have two perks sets: one that's anti-projectile, and one for everything else.
    - The game tries to hide mission requirements constantly. It will ask for a detective character, from DC, and it only counts if you play PVP. Stipulations on progress like these can make the game immensely frustrating, as you will have any one of those things but still be unable to complete the mission. This is compounded by many of the fighter categories being straight up wrong. You would expect Marvin, a character focused on reversing projectiles, to be a mage yeah? Nope he is an assassin for some reason. Because obviously someone who enjoys Finn and Arya is going to enjoy spammy martian man.
    - The game has nearly no way to check your long term stats. It will give you your recent winrate, but you can't check past seasons results or anything. The game bullies you into grinding but then hides how long you have actually been grinding.
    - For a game labelled as a 'platform fighter,' there are almost no platforms on most stages. The vast majority of stages are long, flat planes with no hazards but low ceiling blastzones. And on the stages with platforms, they provide only the most basic movement opportunities and expressions you can think of.

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 29 dny +10

      Good points - the perk thing really is sad, too. Perks in CoD generally have a big impact on the way you play, giving you new abilities or things to do... but these perks definitely feel very 'tacked on' in comparison. The only one I thought was truly cool was the gravity cancel thing (and you have to sacrifice midair parries for it...)
      In CoD a perk will let me sneak up on people like a ninja, hack enemy equipment, dive onto the objective without worrying about explosives... in MvS I'm like 'oh awesome! 5% more damage!' 'oh cool! 7% more damage!' 'wow! my melee attacks do slightly more damage!'

    • @RougeMephilesClone
      @RougeMephilesClone Před 28 dny +4

      ​@@WhyDo Moderate percentile increases are the bane of modern game design.

    • @qwertzy121212
      @qwertzy121212 Před 23 dny +3

      @@RougeMephilesClone what, you're saying you don't like seeing "+3.65% fart damage on tuesdays and fridays"????

    • @Daluckyplays
      @Daluckyplays Před 11 dny +1

      ​@@qwertzy121212 "at 2:39 AM but only in downtown Detroit"

  • @trevorjamieson8892
    @trevorjamieson8892 Před 25 dny +5

    Out of curiosity, I went to the developer's page, and the main team members I saw were folks who worked on:
    •God of War 3
    •God of War Ascension
    •League of Legends
    •Star Chasers
    •Jedi: Fallen Order
    •Teamfight Tactics
    •Hawken
    And several folks from Activision-Blizzard or other Call of Duty studios.
    From this, I conclude that yes, they are lacking experience from balancing fighting games, but I do see a lot of things in Multiversus that you can find in a lot of the games here.

  • @De_an
    @De_an Před 29 dny +18

    43:03 This guy is experiencing his first toxic relationship and he doesn't even know it. He has given his girlfriend almost all of his money without receiving anything in return, but is still keeping the relationship going in hopes that she will better herself in the future (it's not going to happen).

    • @puxtbuck6731
      @puxtbuck6731 Před 19 dny +2

      I’m gonna take an educated guess and say this is not the first game that guy has spent too much money on.

    • @randomusername1735
      @randomusername1735 Před 18 dny +1

      The whole thing reads as "I live in a fantasy because of the sunk cost fallacy, but being self aware about it makes it okay"

    • @marzgamingmaster
      @marzgamingmaster Před 14 dny

      I was just coming to say this same thing. "Multiversus never hurt me." Bruh, Multiversus stole $250 from you and didn't give you anything for it. They have genuinely hurt him. It's sad to see. :(

  • @relloz6
    @relloz6 Před 29 dny +29

    I'm just repeating mockrock's video here, but the engine switch was apparently largely to do with needing to rework the game to make rollback netcode work, and given community response and lack of playability of all other online solutions for fighters, that one's more understandable than "so shaggy's sandwich would have 15 more pixels"

    • @drdepression4605
      @drdepression4605 Před 26 dny +1

      This was acknowledged and I'm pretty disappointed whydo didn't make this point. Seems like a weird thing to not give them credit for. One of the biggest problems with the beta was the net code. Making a new engine to fit the net code fixes one of their biggest problems. They did screw the pooch in just about everything else tho

    • @relloz6
      @relloz6 Před 26 dny +2

      @@drdepression4605 Whydo was right to call out that the marketing implied it was for graphical fidelity, and that a year wasnt nearly enough time for that changeover, but I agree its an important addendum.

    • @drdepression4605
      @drdepression4605 Před 26 dny +2

      @@relloz6 yeah I'm sure they would have taken longer but big WB probably screwed them on the deadline. I hate big companies. Whether it's movies games or shows it's like they all decided to be as scummy as possible and release Terrible products as a standard. What's going on these days.

  • @AwesomeMooseSmile
    @AwesomeMooseSmile Před 27 dny +7

    I just found out that the art designers for disney infinity worked on multiversus, and I also found out that disney infinity has a steam version that includes all the characters without the toy to life crap, and after playing it I can confirm that despite being a sanbox game that basically plays like the lego games, it has better fighting game gameplay than multiversus. At least that shit has a block button.

  • @ryanjs4
    @ryanjs4 Před 29 dny +35

    around 11:20 is when i realized i would not be able to finish this video before dinner

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 Před 27 dny +9

    "I've spent over $250 on this game" and "Multiversus never has hurt me" do NOT belong in the same paragraph as each other...
    Spending 250 dollars on a single game should never be considered _normal._

    • @Daluckyplays
      @Daluckyplays Před 11 dny

      Only game I've spent that much and more on is Fortnite... I just like Marvel and Starwars too damn much.

  • @maxibon7750
    @maxibon7750 Před 29 dny +14

    I went to your channel page to subscribe so you wouldn't have to add 1 nickel of shame to that god awful investment

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 29 dny +13

      I am extremely thankful for this kind gesture however, rules are rules, and as such I will be adding $0.05 because of this comment, it's time to suffer in the name of our glorious Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav

  • @cynthiafaye2097
    @cynthiafaye2097 Před 29 dny +15

    Popping off for a brief glimpse of Risk of Rain 2/Woolie and remembering what good game design looks like before returning to the horrors

  • @magickitty9693
    @magickitty9693 Před 29 dny +13

    HARLEY QUINN PAY TO WIN SMASH BROS TWIN. I was just vibing and having a great time and suddenly whydo flies out of my headphones and smacks me across the face at mach 20. Excellent.

  • @sonarchy5158
    @sonarchy5158 Před 29 dny +15

    I believe they added Reindog to put a purely support character
    Have a character that isn't really prone to violence, and is just here to protect and help his friends and allies
    Yes, I have seen the Iron Giant, why do you ask?

  • @VaguePS25
    @VaguePS25 Před 28 dny +5

    Actually one of the funniest and most well-produced videos I've seen in a while.

  • @dewbuon
    @dewbuon Před 29 dny +13

    Thank you for pointing out the air attack momentum changing. I've been trying to explain to others how awful it feels. More than characters feeling "slow" or "floaty", having to watch the animation complete before touching the ground just looks terrible

  • @GumshoeClassic
    @GumshoeClassic Před 29 dny +9

    When you talked about the Discord, I had a horrifying realization. This game might be the modern Kusoge. The fact that this is even a possibility for a game backed by Warner Bros. in the modern day is astounding.

  • @elesfinter9753
    @elesfinter9753 Před 28 dny +5

    I'm so happy that you brought other platform fighters that aren't smash or smash clones. Platform fighters nowdays always have to be a crossover with a damage-percentage based system and the same directional inputs as smash

  • @Roboshi2007
    @Roboshi2007 Před 24 dny +5

    I think there's an unwritten rule that once a cororation tries to make money off a meme, it's dead. This game thusly killed ultra instinct shaggy

    • @Daluckyplays
      @Daluckyplays Před 11 dny

      This game doesn't have Shaggy it has Baggy

  • @pax2293
    @pax2293 Před 29 dny +19

    Honestly I'd have been down to pay a few bucks for characters I can have fun with and play with friends. But when you think a smash dlc character basically cost 5 bucks (without counting stage and music) and compare it to what they ask you for characters in multiversus... The worth just isn't there.
    Add that to the fact for a while you couldn't even try characters before buying them... It's just sad man.

  • @Boonehams
    @Boonehams Před 29 dny +6

    The FTC example mentions a company making false claims, and Multiversus LITERALLY has false "claims."

  • @theodosiuspadua4503
    @theodosiuspadua4503 Před 29 dny +13

    When a youtube video is so obsessive and pedantic that it references a scratch game, I kneel and subscribe

  • @Left4Cake
    @Left4Cake Před 25 dny +3

    Brawlhalla has a 1 time "buy every moveset and future move sets" purchase. And the only character you have to spend any additional money on are all reskins.

  • @futureddude4250
    @futureddude4250 Před 29 dny +40

    So happy someone addressed the fact it's insane they just simply took a whole ass fighter out of the a game for a while. I understand he's broken but taking a character, that many people likely paid for, out and unplayable is simply not okay.

    • @Cubeytheawesome
      @Cubeytheawesome Před 29 dny +4

      They did my homie Jason dirty (I still like his design, that’s like the one thing I like about Multiversus)

    • @futureddude4250
      @futureddude4250 Před 29 dny +11

      @@Cubeytheawesomethis was sent before he got to Jason but the fact it happened TWICE is disgusting

  • @hiagustres
    @hiagustres Před 28 dny +6

    A crossover game that is trying as hard as it can to NOT let you play with the crossover characters

  • @BlackCatCards
    @BlackCatCards Před 28 dny +3

    it's the combination of your incredibly entertaining delivery/sense of humour and the informational commentary that makes this video so potent

  • @GarudaRamudasRumpusRoom
    @GarudaRamudasRumpusRoom Před 29 dny +16

    finally, a kusoge with battlepass and premium gem
    edit: and reindog. how could i forget reindog

  • @Ashipwreckedguy
    @Ashipwreckedguy Před 29 dny +31

    Regarding the big chungus copyright thing, no idea if you're aware but there's a loony tunes mobile game where big chungus is a unit so warner bros have already used him as a character, sort of.

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 29 dny +22

      LMAO I had no idea about this, that's comforting (?) to hear... unless..
      ...it's THE FIRST OF MANY

  • @incognito718
    @incognito718 Před 28 dny +6

    I read the EULA on my games before I play. I'm not a lawyer, but I felt something off from MultiVersus's EULA. To the point that, despite my excitement for the Beta, for the first time in my life I said "I'm not using this because I don't agree with the Terms of Service".
    After seeing this video, I consider that to be one of the best decisions I have made.

  • @Shalom95
    @Shalom95 Před 29 dny +42

    44:58
    "Sounds like a skill issue" Ohh, that made my blood boil for a minute.

    • @XAVIERTHEDOOFUS
      @XAVIERTHEDOOFUS Před 29 dny +12

      They all do it
      A lot of multiversus players are like this it's very annoying

    • @arkvoodleofthesacredcrotch6060
      @arkvoodleofthesacredcrotch6060 Před 29 dny

      ​@@XAVIERTHEDOOFUS I enjoy the game, I cope that it can only get better, but nahhh that kid was still getting new acc juicers and didn't realize it. Cause getting characters in this game feels like "Ok, me and each kid can all pick a character based on who we (canonically) like. After that we need to save up for the rest of the season if we want anyone actually good". Also of course you need whoever is locked behind the battle pass too if you plan on playing ranked.

  • @babbottv
    @babbottv Před 29 dny +22

    sorry, i think i'm a bit late to the party on this one. multiversus ain't got tilts? they got lebron james and superman but they ain't got light normals???
    edit: the buffer is HOW many frames??????????

    • @jonathanlgill
      @jonathanlgill Před 29 dny +5

      This was news to me too. That feels very fundamental to a platform fighter.

    • @LG555
      @LG555 Před 29 dny +4

      Also, for some reason, jab is forward + attack, while neutral attack was a strong option. While you could switch them in the beta, in the rerelease, the option was removed completely. And as someone coming from Smash, it just feels wrong.

    • @rigboy1234
      @rigboy1234 Před 26 dny

      I read those first sentences the wrong way

  • @NourAlmin
    @NourAlmin Před 25 dny +5

    4:13 as a former child i can confirm that i used to instantly die when i heared the word shit

  • @bulb9970
    @bulb9970 Před 28 dny +6

    1:07:34 That’s actually a good analogy for the people who say that buffing movement and attack options is always better than nerfing

  • @shep58
    @shep58 Před 29 dny +12

    Samurai Jack's up special description has a typo

  • @swuce
    @swuce Před 28 dny +4

    Those last 15 minutes are actually jaw dropping holy moly this game needs a miracle

  • @DrSurgeonGuy
    @DrSurgeonGuy Před 28 dny +4

    The fact that I'm already subscribed, and the whole "Every subscriber I will put money into Bugs Bunny Smash" makes me want to unsubscribe so you don't lose money, haha

    • @MetalSandshrew
      @MetalSandshrew Před 28 dny +4

      Sadly CZcams studio lets you see new subs and unsubs from the time range around when you upload a video.

  • @Tylerr_Creative
    @Tylerr_Creative Před 29 dny +8

    As an Iron Giant main I think I have an understanding of why he's the way he is. The game was designed WITHOUT him in mind, to explain it further Iron Giant's design of a character that's slow, most of his moves are slow, and he has big ass hurt boxes. This design in a game like smash would be annoying but could still function since he'd have stuff like shields, grabs, and more defensive options against characters who are just faster then him, but this game doesn't have shields. As a result characters like Superman, Wonder Woman, Tom & Jerry, Steven, Finn, Jake, Jason, Black Adam, Morty, Rick, Lebron James, Samurai Jack, Jo-yeah you get it EVERY CHARACTER CAN TRAP YOU IN INESCAPABLE COMBOS THAT CAN TAKE YOU FROM 10% - 90-100+%
    Most of these situations include moves that can hit you multiple times making parrying worthless and giving you little time to dodge, and even if you dodge you're so big they'll just scoop you up again. This game isn't designed to have a character like IG and its so clear comparing his kit with other tanks how easy it can be to just screw him over without even breaking a sweat. They probably saw this in testing and thought "Well shit! How can this character do anything if you can just trap him in combos you can't really counter? I guess we just need to give him a way to break combos mid game." Then we got the spark, during the Beta it functioned extremely differently being more focused on how many screws you collect and having those screws take hits for you while you just had super armor, but now is just a burst that you can use to break out of combos. It's just a bandaid for a bigger problem with IG's design that can just barely work.

  • @thqwibble
    @thqwibble Před 28 dny +5

    1:02:16 this might be my favorite bait and switch joke, you just start talking about cod after not (at least i dont recall you talking about cod extensively till now) even bringing it up during the vid and thats so funny

  • @alexandrebertone4351
    @alexandrebertone4351 Před 29 dny +10

    This is absurd, I actually needed to google to be sure this wasn't satire. How can hundreds of people work on something like this and not realize the wall they are sprinting towards ?

    • @RougeMephilesClone
      @RougeMephilesClone Před 28 dny +3

      I don't think it was hundreds. Player First had a lot of industry veterans on staff, I think, but it wasn't very big. That was _a_ problem. The other was that WB has been hiding its scummy monetization in the open for years, and their current on-fire state meant they couldn't afford to be subtle here.
      Much like the Slap City team getting a shoestring budget to make both Nickelodeon fighters, there wasn't a lot that Player First could have done beyond damage control. And now WB's acquired them...

    • @alexandrebertone4351
      @alexandrebertone4351 Před 28 dny +4

      @@RougeMephilesClone I agree that Player first is a small team !
      However, there is also the publishers, the commercial aspect, playtesters, voice actors, etc
      Hundreds of people interacted with this mobile game type of fraud without doing anything about it, which is scary

    • @ResistancePasta
      @ResistancePasta Před 15 dny +1

      ​@@alexandrebertone4351Most of those people wouldn't be able to do anything about it. VA's and PR people don't know the ins and outs of development and just work with what they're given for their respective roles.

  • @cardiacarrest4200
    @cardiacarrest4200 Před 29 dny +5

    i’ve never watched a guy talk so much shit with so much love in his heart. this is beautiful

  • @yt_MLM3
    @yt_MLM3 Před 29 dny +13

    I'm very glad this video exists because never before did i think i'd learn about a new low in the gaming industry like this. Like bad games can be charming, but this isn't bad, it's good and predatory, and this whole video really gave me thz feeming of digging down with a shovel to ungodly extent.
    Also thanks for giving me a new meme to laugh about, i think i will spam reindog in my friends' dms a lot from now on (until it stops being funny to me)

  • @the_wake_
    @the_wake_ Před 26 dny +5

    I just wanted to say, I'm really glad you called out the animations and sound design of Smash. We usually think of those things as just fluff, if we even think of them at all, but they're incredibly important to making a game *visceral*. That's especially important to engaging with a fast-paced action-heavy game like a platform fighter.

  • @frogzplayz6541
    @frogzplayz6541 Před 29 dny +12

    It makes me so sad that so much multiversus content on youtube is negative and that it gets so much bad press in general. It makes me even sadder that most of it is compleatly warranted. I love this game and have loved it since the beta and I want it tu succeed so badly

    • @Hephàsqualis
      @Hephàsqualis Před 29 dny

      me too, but spreading negativity is easier

    • @malachitep4276
      @malachitep4276 Před 29 dny +5

      As long as Warner keeps being Warner, it's not going to get better.
      I can only hope that when the game inevitably shuts down, that fans will be able to make an offline version with none of the money grubbing BS

  • @bonbon_mastodon7144
    @bonbon_mastodon7144 Před 29 dny +11

    I spent most of my data to watch this and i have no regrets

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 29 dny +10

      Thank you for your sacrifice

  • @dragoniota
    @dragoniota Před 29 dny +5

    I have over 2k hours in the game counting beta/full release. Great video, entertaining while bringing up many of the issues that plague MVS.
    I'm one of the rare people who completed every rift solo and maxed all gems without spending. I'd say it was a boring mindless grind 95+% of the time, with around 5% being fun challenges on the highest difficulty. Definitely not worth the massive time investment and I don't think many casuals would be able to do it.

  • @joshford256
    @joshford256 Před 29 dny +40

    This series of thumbnails is the funniest shit to me

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 29 dny +20

      Once I discovered the Bangers font, it was over

  • @Kade503
    @Kade503 Před 27 dny +6

    Yeah, so the whole plat fighter needing to use an existing IP is just getting old. I'm just going to continue playing the beta weekends of Rivals 2 and waiting for that to come out since I actually enjoy playing it and can play the entire roster (starting roster and all upcoming characters) for the base price. That and any skin I purchase will feel good due to actually wanting to support the game and knowing that it's not all being funneled up to the CEO in a ridiculous percentage split in the case of WB with little to none going back into improving the game.

  • @BannedBuds
    @BannedBuds Před 25 dny +3

    I always figured Gunther would have been a way better choice as a joke character instead of Banana Guard. Just cause I remember how much people hated the idea of Banana Guard being a playable character.

  • @narpynk
    @narpynk Před 29 dny +25

    okay but wheres the part 2 to the mii brawler move tier list

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 29 dny +37

      I want to give a date, however I have recently learned something about myself, which is that I should never, ever mention dates ever

    • @DoMorrMusic
      @DoMorrMusic Před 29 dny +10

      @@WhyDo so it's next week, got it

  • @maxhamm5942
    @maxhamm5942 Před 29 dny +8

    Masterpiece video. I knew the relaunched game was dire, but I didn't realise just how bad it was when not playing on an account with legacy beta content. Love the tag team Calls to Action of 'I will buy stock in a sinking ship of a company if you subscribe' and 'you can report this game to the FTC'.
    Also 14:47 :)

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 29 dny +5

      YO you're the one who made the really clean Kazuya graphic?? Nice stuff it helped a lot when I was learning the character 👀

    • @maxhamm5942
      @maxhamm5942 Před 28 dny +1

      @@WhyDo Thanks. Yeah, the Sakurai presentation confused me so much, I made it just to understand what was happening.
      BTW, your Steve tech is how I found out the Queen died.

  • @cometboyu7848
    @cometboyu7848 Před 29 dny +8

    I am so glad I’m not the only one who felt that there was a lack of moves. I really feel like certain characters could benefit from having tilt attacks alongside smash attacks.
    Characters like Marvin specifically having more melee attacks alongside buffing his current melee attacks while nerfing his projectiles slightly to make him a better assassin and less of a mage. Marvin literally has no proper melee kill moves which is weird for an assassin.

    • @CalebL
      @CalebL Před 25 dny

      Samurai Jack's down air being a foot away from him when other sword users have better hit boxes

  • @DrErikNefarious
    @DrErikNefarious Před 29 dny +8

    One of the problems is that LeBronJames is in the game. This is because of the Space Jam sequel. The problem here is twofold. One: It reminds us that Space Jam 2 exists, and Two: it dates this game horribly.

    • @Cure_Hana
      @Cure_Hana Před dnem

      It’s like if Smash Bros decided to have Mike Tyson represent Punch Out either with or instead of Little Mac. It might get a laugh out of some fans who understand the reference; but at the end of the day, it’s just a shameless celebrity plug-in that feels extremely out of place.

  • @AmericanMarky
    @AmericanMarky Před 29 dny +8

    We live in a world where Peter Griffin is in Fortnite, Big Chungus is Trademarked, LeBron James is in a platform fighter, and there is a 90 minute video about that platform fighter.

    • @Daluckyplays
      @Daluckyplays Před 11 dny

      Can't forget Keanu Reeves is Shadow The Motherfucking Hedgehog.

  • @SadToffee
    @SadToffee Před 24 dny +2

    the fact that you can't properly land with aerials is crazy. it's like they tried to pry all of the skill and nuance out of platform fighters, and they succeeded.

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  Před 24 dny +1

      Agreed... though I couldn't tell whether that was truly terrible on its own, or just a big departure from Smash. Smash itself has plenty of moves (mainly specials) that don't cancel on landing, but they do transition to a different animation, and that feels fine. MVS basically makes every move like that, flattening 'endlag/autocancel window/landing lag' into just 'lag', which feels terrible as a Smash player. But in exchange you do at least get the complexity of 'whiff lag' vs. 'on hit cancel window'.
      Honestly I think it's one of those things that could've worked in theory but the way it's executed + combined with many other terrible things makes it very frustrating.

    • @SadToffee
      @SadToffee Před 24 dny +2

      @@WhyDo I think a really big problem is the momentum system. it doesn't allow any extra skill to come out of aerials, the game doesn't necessarily need to have shielding but there's really no scale of risk reward between Hard Commiting and Undershooting, and there's so much endlag on moves that it ends up being you just hit or you don't. there's not really "safe aerials", the movement is just too clunky to punish consistently. I really hate it because it feels so empty.