The Crash So Far North That Even A COMPASS Won’t Work | First Air 6560
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Captain and ATC- Michael Neeb
First Officer - Joe Louison
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Microsoft Flight Simulator 10
Boeing 737-200C - Just Flight
Flight Simulator 2020 for scenery shots
#Aircrashinvestigation #Boeing737 #Arctic
Goes to show why the position of FO can be so difficult. In a situation like this it is difficult to meander between being supportive and assertive at the same time. But at the end of the day it is your life as well. Ego’s can be fixed.. speak up!
The one amazing coincidence, at least for the three that survived, was that Military Activity in the Area, and the temporary ATC setup was a Joint Canadian and US National Guard Arctic Air Crash Search and Rescue Drill. They crashed in what by all rights was one of the most desolate pieces of real estate in North America, and as luck would have it they nearly came down on top of a fully staffed, fully equipped, fully mobilized Military Air Crash Rescue team.
I had a senior line pilot with ex mil experience P-51 and F-4 who had the reputation of being a ass and made it clear it was HIS airplane.
He despised the MU-2 but it was fast and cheap so it was used. It has very high wing loading and during flap retraction after t/o would lose altitude easily. One night at gross we lost 200+ feet after retraction and I spoke up. He barked at me but I kept on him. I got a write up and he expressed his desire I not be put in the cockpit with him. Everyone knew how he was so it didn't cause any issues for me but these "sky Gods are out there.
Arrogant, authoritarian pilots crash planes.
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@@michaelmansun6203 No one forced you to read it dingus.
Well this pilot’s arrogance caused him to get blood on his hands
Kick em in the nuts! Problem solved
Goes to show that no matter how many hours you have, if you become complacent or you do not check your ego, reality will catch up with you. Unfortunately poor airmanship comes with a hefty price to pay.
You know it wouldn't bother me so much if when these dummies met their fate that they didn't actually take other innocent people with them
@@locklear308 unfair conclusion regarding the FO's intellect. He along w the others was a victim of cultural failings here
Arrogance seems a major factor in these crashes and its just a general observation that pilots often seem like arrogant people. I think teaching them to be humble needs to be part of training.
@@mdaniels6311 I agree to some extent. Pilots do various Crew Resource Management training all throughout their career and usually airline interviews weed out any potentially narcissistic or arrogant people that would not get along in a cockpit with another person. Unfortunately an older generation of pilots (not all but some) bring with them a lot of pride and ego that does not mix well when you are relying on your partner to fly the plane just as much as you do. They came from a generation where it was extremely difficult to get to where they are, but that in no way excuses any of the behaviours I have seen from some pilots. With that being said, I've also flown with cocky First Officers that are fresh out of instructing or doing their first flying job and sometimes have a stubbornness to learn. I'd say 97% of pilots get along well and have a mutual respect for eachother in the cockpit, but unfortunately and like with any job you sometimes get paired with someone who doesn't quite have the best table manners.
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Got to say there are a few of you folks who make videos on this subject . Not a pilot and I dont travel much but its great to be able to see and know about how things go wrong and how they were put right. I dont know if you guys have the flight data recorders data to help you simulate the subject but they seem very very well done and accurate on all these channels so thank you. Ps just found this channel so going to digest all your videos anyway so thanks again .
a classic one. i won't even go into detail. If you don't understand your systems and have no idea what procedures or even CRM is , the cockpit is not the place where you belong.
Nicely done video btw
Exactly - airlines need to stop taking in incompetent pricks and mahaners handling them just because they have some connections or relatives high up the chain of command.
so true - a good example of terrible CRM
Hi everyone. After seeing a fair amount of growth in the channel over the last week or so, I’ve decided to upload this video early! Thanks for all the support and feedback. It really does mean a lot. And remember if you’re enjoying the content, don’t forget to like and subscribe.
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Thank you so much for uploading! I have so many questions. #1) Why did ground say 3 Greens? #2) Why is this the name of your channel? #3) What specifically is your accent? I said specifically. #4) Please. Please. Please can you please do Air France 447? Please.
Thank you 4 your great vids :)
@@gregcombs9136 I'm so sorry I only just saw your comment. If you're still interested, 3 Greens is the indication you get in the cockpit to show that all 3 wheels are down and locked. I wanted to use something from the cockpit as inspiration for the channel name. My accent is Australian as I'm from Sydney, Australia. And AF447 is done! hopefully you've seen it🙂
Wow. Feel bad for the first officer. I’m wondering if this tragedy happened before that pilot decision making program was adopted. The one where it now says the captain isn’t the sole responsible one. That input and action is required by all the crew.
That first officer, if he took charge likely could have avoided this accident.
Thank god it only took 20 minutes for first responders to show up to the scene. I’ve seen way too many air disaster shows where so many people survive a wreck just to die from the elements because it took first responders hours to find and get to a wreck. One particular accident was extremely troubling. In Japan I think. Other survivors claim many people survived the wreck but throughout the night the cries for help died out. Authorities figured nobody survived so they took their time and waited until the next day to check the scene out.
Yep JAL flight 123. it's heartbreaking.
You can be a person without a pilot's license to say this pilot should never have done this with the terrain around the airport. Forget visibility or weather, if you're not safe within the glideslope you go around. A pilot might say the unfortunate pilot was in a situation that from experience he knew that in all likelyhood he would find his way back into the glideslope but given the location of that airport he shouldn't have chanced it.
Unstable approaches. My favorite type of approaches.....when I'm flying flight sim, and no one will get killed.
Wow what a solid breakdown of this accident! Clear, detailed, and the visual aids really help understand what all took place. I'm going to have to check out your other videos and will share your channel with my recent Accident Investigation and Human Factors course instructors from SCSI. Great human factors case study here.
Well done!
you have a first officer for a reason. they aren’t there to be your friend they have a valid and completely expert opinion. why would you just blatantly ignore his obvious concern?
From some other report on this crash the Captain while extremely experienced in the 737-200 had very little experience in the far north. Whereas the FO was highly experienced that far north and understood the navigation pitfalls. But was largely ignored.
sorrowful for that f/o for being unable to persuade that shit of a captain(
Awesome Channel!!
The bits and pieces you add to your videos will definetly distance you from the other Channels!!
Your commentary is also great.
Please keep up the great work !!
Easiest subscription ever for me
In my Canadian Private Pilot ground school course they actually showed the Mayday documentary on this crash...
A typical cockpit authority gradient problem. FO should have insisted on TOGA. Captain had inexplicable level of get there-itis.
The Swiss Cheese Model strikes again. The first officer was too timid, afraid of being potentially criticized by the captain, the heading was off, the plane was too fast, and the captain ignored all signs. Man, some people have sickening personalities. Sometimes I am negligent like the captain and don't take advice well, but I am working on that. I am in my early 20s.
I'm not sure if it is now or not, but the SOP could have a clause stating that any suggestion to TOGA by anyone in the cockpit during approach/landing should be taken immediately and not questioned or denied, unless it would be unsafe
Excellent report. Thanks!
Love your videos. Very well edited and commentary is good too.
I'm wondering about the advantages/disadvantages of becoming fixated on the localizer and stating "Screw the compass" during this decent. I can see how this would help keep bearings to the runway, but how could this also get us into trouble?
Lived in Alaska 14 years and flew on Alaska combi aircraft both 200s and 400s lots of times into bad visibility conditions. Alaska airlines and Juneau airport designed and created technology to allow landing and take off in poor visibility mainly with high turbulence and challenging terrain which is now used world wide at some other airports. It’s called JAWS or something like that. Ever done the “lemon creek departure?” 👋
This channel is awesome,thank you
Great video...thank you so very much for sharing. And you have a good "narration voice"!
I always look forward to a new 3 Greens video!
WAY TOO FEW SUBS.
You shouldn’t look forward to it, it’s mostly bad news
YES! Can't wait omfg
I saw this on the show called mayday which brakes down accidents. Ironically as it turns out many years before when I worked on the Dewline Blair Rutherford was a cook back in the eighties and was taking flying lessons with the goal of being a commercial pilot. I didn't know him personally other than to say hi while passing through on my way to small radar sites. I worked in the Arctic for about 9 years and we had 737's from Winnipeg North with PWA and Canadian Airlines and lateral was Nordair f 227 and then Bradley First Air with Hawker Siddley 748. On several occasions due to weather we would have to abort landings and proceed to the next station. With almost 13 thousand hours no doubt he was a competent pilot but I am guessing fatigue and or complacency led to the tragedy. Because the Dewline was run by the USA Air force and for the most part run by the book and I would think healthy profit margins even though the same airline but a dedicated fleet only to our job.
Utter chaos,what was that Captain thinking.....bad man
Lol, another first officer who just meekly goes 'ok!' when the captain with a death wish tells him not to worry about the hill they're obviously about to hit
I had some friends on that plane and had left on similar plane few days earlier. Very sad
Very say indeed Tony. Hope you found the video was of the right tone.
Sorry for your loss Tony. I was raised in Yellowknife and my Dad did consulting work in Resolute.
From 🇨🇦Alberta, Canada🇨🇦
Sorry for you’re loss, my father and stepmother we’re also on the plane.. they were going up yo resolute for work.
I almost stopped watching when you showed scenes of a trail and snowmobile in the trees at Resolute (no trees in the Arctic), but I'm glad I kept watching, a good summary of the accident that could have been prevented, obvious this experienced Captain ran out of talent on that approach and the the FO didn't use the proper words at 1000 feet "Unstable, Go around!"
Thanks for giving it a chance mate 😂😂
When either cockpit crew says "maybe we should go around and solve the problem," GO AROUND AND SOLVE THE DAMNED PROBLEM. Jeez, captain.
Sad but nicely explained video animation
Capitan committed negligent homicide.
CRU. Can't overstate how important CRU is.
It’s clear it’s the captain’s fault. The first officer tried a lot to inform the captain, but the captain just wouldn’t listen. And they paid a heavy price.
Ahhh, when your captain kills you, and you go along with it...
Tragic that it happened but at least that pilot won't be in the cockpit any more.
Another classic
I feel pilot should not explain go around until after they safely land. Psychologically
Proof when you have a bad feeling about something that's the opportunity to resolve it while you can.The FO had a feelings that they should just make a U Turn to make a safe landing but the Caption didn't want to listen.
Cappy was having none of it 😮😢
CRM,CRM,CRM Crew Resource Management. The FO was just along for the ride. Old ex bush pilots never got the memo.
The First Officer clearly audibles to do a “ Go Around”. If possible, that was clearly what should have been done….
If in doubt there is no doubt.
It seams pilots are taught to speak calm and wait till there in real danger, I've watched alot of crash videos, pilots are terrified to admit there on a wrong course or even lost..instead of just asking someone..or double checking
How will resolute Bay run its snow mobiles on solar panels and wind mills? Just curious.
I HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THEY HAVE A VIDEO LINK WITH PERSON ON GROUND FOR LANDINGS AS EXTRA EYES.
To whom? 😆🤷🏻♂️
"Unfriendly Skies" by Rodney Stich - Crash the airplane - just an accident, nothing to see here -- sometimes = Modern Assassination.
This is where Soviet aircraft shine. You simply can't rely on the magnetic heading while flying inside the arctic circle, and those old Boeings automatically update the magnetic heading during the flight. Meanwhile, soviet aircraft need to calculate and input them manually based on the latitude of the departure and destination airport before landing.
The magnetic pole next to the geographic North Pole is NOT the MAGNETIC-NORTH-POLE, it is the Magnetic-South-Pole.
Otherwise the north needle of the magnetic compass would not point there. Identical magnetic poles repel each other!
+++The arctic magnetic pole is that point in the northern hemisphere where the magnetic field lines of the earth's magnetic field enter the earth vertically to the earth's surface. In the physical sense, it is a magnetic south pole.+++ (From Wikipedia)
What is the highest level of command a F/O can take against his PIC if he believes that there is imminent danger (as in this case) to the safety of the aircraft?
The FO can and should take complete control of the airplane if he believes the safety of flight is at risk.
A fist to the face and take control by force.
Murder
@@Ryan-zc1tz what if the Captain refuses to relinquish command? There must be protocols in place for something like that…
I have accidentally done this doing practice ILS approaches. (In FSX)
Why did the captain completely ignore the FO and his instruments which clearly indicated he was right of the path?
I am unfamiliar with this country named "Canadur"
Just curious why your logo of three greens is upside down? Not a criticism, just curiosity
What about ATC (the Tower)?
Why didn't they SEE that the plane was off course?
and
Why didn't they know the plane's altitude and speed?
No radar. Not all airports have it.
This airport doesn't have ATC, the ATC in this case was military as they were doing operation Nanook at the time. It's all instrumental landing up north
Man I feel like FO's should just take controls
Gaduated error. Thats why I like only flyin around the pea patch
If only the Captain had listened to the F.O, eh???🤔
You a Queenslander mate?
Maybe this is a stupid question. Sorry..
You mentioned runway 33True. Is this a compass heading? Are all the random runway numbers we hear actually an indicator of their orientation?
not a stupid question at all, and you are absolutely correct. A runway numbered 22 would have a plane taking off towards a heading of 220 degrees
The Captain was very poor, unlike the F/O who realised that the approach was never a stable one, but yet again, the addition of one stripe spoke loudest.
Runway three- five
Northernmost is a word just fyi, imo it rolls of the tongue easier
Which flight sim?
Hey mate. Microsoft Flight Simulator 10. Details are in the description.
@@3Greens thanks mate great shaders and great story tellers of aviation. I love your content man keep up the good work 🙂
This one seems to be almost exclusively the pig-headed captain's fault. Even if the FO had been more assertive I doubt the captain would have taken his advice to execute a go round.
The Capt. did not listen to his first off.
whats the point of all instrumentation
CYRB does not have a control tower or radar.
Thanks for the comment. You're right that Resolute doesn't usually have a tower. But it did have one temporarily in 2011 (including the date of the crash) when there was an increased level of military traffic due to Operation Nanook. More details in the accident report if you're interested.
This crash is nothing short of the captain's criminal misconduct (possibly caused by the captain not understanding the aircraft's navigation systems, lack of possessing general knowledge of instrument navigation techniques and procedures, and unwilling to take urgent advice and warnings from the first officer). If the captain survived the crash, he should be arrested and sentenced to life in prison.
The announcer is not clearly speaking orally experienced.
The captain & his assistant
un the ground tower are okay
The Capt got in a hurry!!!and didn’t want to trouble shoot!!! Lazy
Uh, this is a different format to what I am used to. The narrator and the CVR recreations are very different.
Anyway, I enjoyed it and laughed a couple times too.
Anyway, lessons learned.
Thanks mate. Are you referring to Air Crash Investigation the TV program? It’s one of my favourites.
I hope this goddamn incompetent captain lives a long time to find he can't cope with his guilt. I hope the ghosts of the passengers and crew members he killed haunt him in his dreams!
That 'military exercise' you mentioned was a simulation of a military/civilian response to the crash of a large passenger aircraft in the arctic region. And right in the middle of this exercise, a large passenger aircraft crashes. Hmmmm....
In a strange sense of cosmic irony, this sort of thing happens way more often than you would think. The extremely rare emergency situation that you only think about every few years but that you just drilled for last week, suddenly happens tomorrow. Or just as you have everybody loaded up to start a major multi unit/squad drill, the real thing comes in. Although that one in the far reaches of the arctic was right on the cutting edge of cosmic irony.
A+ script and editing, B- for the narration sounding way too much like the Burger King foot lettuce guy.
Runways aren't called 35 True. And A SPECI for CYRB, issued at 1649, was as follows: wind 180°T at 13 knots, visibility 5 sm in light drizzle and mist, and overcast cloud at 300 feet agl. It was NOT blowing 63 knots.
Thanks for the comment mate. It is referred to as RWY 35 True in the accident report. And it's been a while since I researched this video. But from memory runways above a certain lattitude are indeed referred to by their true heading. Since magnetic headings vary so widely at high lattitudes due to the difference between magnetic north and true north.
For the tailwind, the 63 knots comes from the winds aloft. The accident refers to this, and states that it contributed to a high ground speed on descent. The METAR is obviously only indicating the wind on the ground.
Shy co pilots often die
your videos, in full, are running as ads before videos by other similar channels - this is highly misleading
Thanks mate. I'm working on a channel trailer to address this issue.
the captain MURDERED 12 PEOPLE
Obvious lack of assertiveness by copilot and lack of personal survival instinct in failing to reach forward and just raising the gear handle to force the captain into an immediate go-around. As in any critical situation for any pilot, there comes a time when you either have to sh|t or get off the pot.
You tube changed way you add comment-do not like - will now not leave good or bad
Poor research showing "Resolute" in a forest at the beginning of the video.
Idiot captain completely oblivious of everything, but mindlessly hellbent on landing
Why are so many of these Captains so arrogant. This is fucking insanity. Would have watched quite a few videos where it was sheer arrogance of the captain that led to 100s of deaths. I am amazed what gives these captains this arrogance. To give context, they are, at best, glorified drivers. Not some specially gifted geniuses.
Once again, an extremely arrogant captain kills a bunch of people, and it would have been many many more people if this were a more typical passenger flight at or near full capacity. You simply cannot conduct effective CRM with a captain like that. I do not care how senior they are, management needs to step up and stand up to captains with that kind of attitude and behaviour. If they don't change, dismiss them. That could save lives.
If I was the copilot and my life was in jeopardy I would have taken over the controls and saved the plane.
Terrible - but why didn’t auto pilot go beep beep beep to indicate the autopilot had disengaged
3 Queens??
Like Anderson Cooper, Missy Lemon, and Miss Hussie Smollett???
I couldn't watch this video. The narrator's voice was just too pink.
+1
O...kay....
With all this automation, it's really lame not to have the correct magnetic heading captured, who cares about touchless coffee makers.
Captain was an idiot but so are the plane makers.
Next FO needs to speak up louder.
Snowmobile is a trademarked name for a specific brand of snow machine. It is not a generic name.
Snowmobile is the generic name. It's a portmanteau of "snow" and "automobile".
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737 again? I don't even know when did happened this incident. Complicated aircrafts 737 simply lost control like you are driving a car bald tires on the snow and( tie rod) went-off on top of it.
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Yeah...First Air is pretty bad...I should know...I was a ramp agent and loaded this flights baggage in its hold. First Air is so cheap and I don't mean the aircraft they fly.
captain fuck up first officer should challege the capatin cause captain do the wrong thing if first officer take over aircraht not crash inside the cockpit all the same not a captain responible first office have right to intevient correct the captain if u make mistake i intervient i dont care who u are i want to safe passengers and crew and me as well
Arrogant pilot.
Perhaps you could take a private pilot ground school. Your good effort at research and presentation is a bit discredited by some of your non-standard terminology.
your accent makes your every sentence sound sarcastic
@@Great-Documentaries I reluctantly agree. The video is excellently but the documentary narrator's voice just doesn't seem to work in the way other similar channels narrators voices do. It's just one of those things based on how you speak or pronounce things.
The worst decision companies made is the following:
Its 2011!!! WHY are they investing in a BOEING 737-200??? They have access to safer airplanes which sure, the prices are higher but its worth it. And the compasses are practically useless in these areas. This is why newer airlines have a more "precise" compass
Another incompetent pilot!
The narration is incredibly annoying. Trying to see-saw up and down is not an effective way to narrate -- especially when it isn't consistent. I had interest in this particular air crash, but have turned it off at 17 seconds. I'll try another channel.
Seemed fine to me. You're probably the one who's "incredibly annoying" and rather rude too!
Waiting with bated breath for YOUR channel to come out, which I am expecting to be spot on perfect.
You don't like Australian accents? 🤷
@@grmpEqweer The Australian accent was fine: the see-sawing of the voice was annoying.
@@1shinytop686 You'll be waiting a long time: maybe keep breathing.