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The idea of semi limiting or limiting SP little knight as a warning shot is so funny. Just the idea of konami communicating in cryptic codes via the banlist where as in MTG they just publish an article explaining what they changed and why, and what stuff they looked at but decided didn't warrant a change yet.
Idk Konami is like that. They've had one of the strictest NDAs in any gaming company for decades. They don't want to communicate with their customers whatsoever for who know what reason
people have been saying its for 3v3 format
@@jazzyjefffogel i have no idea why 3v3 doesnt have its own banlist
@@tame1773 each team is treated like a single player when it comes to deck building and registration in these OCG 3v3 events. So, if one card is limited, only 1 player of the team can use the card while the other 2 have to play something else
So with the new Banlist, only 1 player per team can play Beatrice or S.P. Little Knight
Well yeah. It makes said card owners less mad in Japan when their powerful card gradually gets hit instead of a straight 3 to 0. You know…slowly ripping off the bandaide as opposite to an immediate rip.
Beatrice and SP is 100% getting banned on the next banlist. This isn’t a cope, but the exact opposite since thinking otherwise is silly when you see how OCG typically does things.
I think there's no need to play Multchummy in a format where Maxx C is at three
Maybe 1 copy in the side for floo but it may already be too much lmao
feels really silly for the ocg to make a card that is on the surface meant to replace maxx c, but then don't plan on banning maxx c
"well, this is for the tcg!"
then why print it in japan? why not just make it a tcg exclusive at that point?
Even in the format without Maxx C you wont main decking a card that so bad going 1st..
And it also niche for side deck
@@syaefullrizcky I mean, it's still a plus +1 in hand with some decks giving out more cards, it ain't the roach but at the same time in ain't that bad
@@MiyaoMeow588 Because we shouldn't have exclusives in the first place ?
Ofc Maxx c isn’t on the banlist. No one in the OCG expected it to be, only tcg players. Cmon
This "Maxx C 2.0" very much seems like Konami wanting a card *like* Maxx C but slightly more tolerable card thats not negate or die. And an excuse to finally ban the roach
@@FrostReaveidk bro u can win thru Maxx c
@@FrostReave nah, it's to give OCG players a pseudo maxx c for worlds format :)
Everyone who really thought Maxx C would get banned was delusional at minimum lol
The Gimmic puppet hit is very relevant, because It nearly killed all the 2 card FTKs and is now much harder FTK around hand traps.
The field spell is still a 1 card FTK tho
That is a W hit. FTKs were never a good look for this game especially if a deck can consistently do it.
It's so crazy seeing what was essentially just a 3k vanilla monster be on the limited list. This deck must be really degenerate
@@mrharvy100neither is solitaire boards with 4- 6 points of interaction. There is no difference between an ftk these crazy endboards WHICH can be made through multiple points of interaction.
@CarbonMalite To be honest the deck is not super broken, and in terms of power level the deck was completely fine. (about tier2~3) Its just that konami hates FTKs?
@@auenboy4571this is how infernoble was. Pseudo-ftk they call it
People should watch sunny's video on the ocg banlist. Gives a better perspective on why ocg hits are different.
Took me a second to find the guy cause I've never heard of him and he has less than 1k subs, but you were right. It was extremely insightful. Never knew why the OCG banlist always seemed so bizarre and now I understand a bit of the philosophy behind it, even though I still disagree with it.
@@DamnZodiak yea now I want more of this content lol.
It popped up in my recommended and I listened to it, it was a great insight. I second taking a watch on it to at least understand why they're not hitting Maxx C, and lays it out nice for a TCG player like me
Nah people won’t watch that, especially the people who are arguing that Maxx C can only be at 0 in these comments. (I already watched it yesterday, it’s better than every videos from TCG players trying to analyze OCG banlist because the person made that video actually plays OCG)
@@elainasjournal5734 unfortunate tbh
*Sees video title*
I don't know, OCG isn't the one suffering tier 0 format with the fire decks
Thats bcus they did? And theyre a
now on fiendsmith.
Nah, its never tier 0. Fiendsmith also boost Yubel@@m1r197
@@m1r197nope, when tier 0 almost come. Tenpai also strikes in hehe
As an OCG player,I don't think you can compare Multchummy to Max C.First of all,Only Tenpai plays Multchummy in main decks so I don't think it will change the meta of MD too much and it's the reason why it won't take the place of Max C.Second,In most of meta decks,you can only expect Multchummy to draw two(if snake eye start with smith,only one ) which is more like using a pot.The difference would be Multchummy allow you to draw handtraps and Called by the Grave could be responsed to Multchummy.Lastly,Sunlight Wolf makes Max C a little balanced cause you can take Ash back so there also some decks don't play Max C in main decks such as top 12 sky striker in Chengdu Regional and top 10 Synchron in MD WCS Qualifiers. To conclude,I don't think Max C would be banned simply because of Multchummy but I do think there should be some changes on the whole format or errata to improve Freewin situations caused by Max C.
I’d say the TCG is even more doomed because now we play to play this card AND pay top dollar for it.
Maxx C was in those tactical try decks that ocg got a few weeks, those are meant to get people into the game so it would of been a bad idea to ban it so soon after.
Although the decks that did have it came with 2 copies, so at least a semi limit was expected.
No it's a 3 of in every deck cause the card is just broken
@@troytheboy1985did you read at all? It’s at 2 in the tactical try deck specifically. It’s like twenty words man READ
@@blakeowens5996 yeah and why does it have to be cause the format is wrapped around the card
As an OCG player, we didn't hope Maxx C would get banned. We have reached to the point where banning Maxx C was never in Konami OCG's plan to begin with. If anything we want Beatrice hammered because that card bridges between the Fiendsmith and majority of the decks, and also set up nasty floodgate. TLDR, Maxx C was never in our radar, ever.
To testify what I'm saying you can watch Sunny's video regarding his take on OCG banlist as an OCG player + the Maxx C ban dilemma
idk, maybe OCG players should just learn to play into Beatrice endboards like they learned to play into Maxx C.
As a ocg fellow player, I can confirm you are speaking the truth.
@@Senkett there's a bit distinction between banning Maxx C and Beatrice. Banning Beatrice would solve the multiple issues regarding nasty combo decks + floodgate. But banning Maxx C would result in a chaotic format here and there. I myself hate Maxx C to the death but honestly, they have to hammer other problematic cards beforehand.
@@Senketti will just wait till tcg complain about fiendsmith.
@@Senketttbf, Maxx C at 3 and the top tier decks are still the combo decks
There was no world where Maxx "C" was going to get hit in the OCG because of the Tactical Try Decks 2 of them had 2 copies of the card.
apparently the Catapult turtle thing is running around in master duel. Dkayed had a few replays from WCS getting ftked by it. I personally ran into it twice. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets axed in the next banlist.
It needs to go and hopefully soon lol the new Tachyon support can 1 card ftk with it while searching it lol
If baronne and maxx c aint getting the axe in MD then leave the wild ass otk's. Japan company wants the OCG and master duel to be the wild west anyways and push away any new players that want to get into the game through MD.
@@RandomGuyCDN I still cant believe the bug isnt gone in MD lmfao.
Edit: But with that being said it being a consistent FTK is the main issue but then again Konami also has another FTK legal in the OCG in Gimmick Puppet
There also was Tactical-try decks who were released that month along 2 Maxx Cs on each deck, that was the reason i was not expecting at all a banlist handling Maxx C.
But if the next one is still not touching it, that gonna be scary oO
At first, even i, an Asian person, still don’t get why OCG didn’t ban Maxx C. Like at locals, almost every1 play Tcg rule and banlist, since Maxx C is an abomination. However, in JP (or i’ve seen some threads about it on Reddit), the reason why they don’t ban Maxx C cuz they don’t want to hit some “pet decks”, since if u ban Maxx C, u have to ban every problematic cards that will arise without Maxx C, which might result in killing some decks. And in JP, where many card games exist, if people got bored with Ygo, they can just switch to other games, unlike TCG. So they have to keep and maintain their playerbase by doing this.
Just my personal opinion. If u guys still here after reading all my essaying and yapping stuff, I appreciate it.
Interesting theory, thx
i heard another youtuber mention this fact about pet decks yeah, but its interesting to hear theres OCG locals so tired of Maxx C that they actually using the TCG rules and banlist, wouldn't have expected that.
As a master duel only player, I'm curious what problematic cards would need to be banned without Maxx C.
> And in JP, where many card games exist, if people got bored with Ygo, they can just switch to other games, unlike TCG
Plenty of card games exist in TCG areas and people do frequently switch over to play different games if the format gets really awful so I don't think this excuse has any real reasoning behind it. I feel safe in saying that maxx c being legal makes playing pet decks a hell of a lot harder than not because those lower power decks have little to no outs to a resolved maxx c.
My issue with Maxx C at this point is that it excuses OCG making really poorly designed cards because of them being balanced around them.
OCG has kept really degenerate cards for whatever reason for far longer than needed (let's think back to VFD which took like an extra 2-3 years to be banned from OCG) and it seems like it's not going to stop.
I'm also thinking about cards for more casual decks that are practically turn skips (like the Mayakashi Trap which is actually seeing competitive play anyways due to fiendsmith and saw play before due to Transaction Rollback). There's no reason those cards should exist in the game.
OCG banning Maxx C would genuinely improve game design but people think otherwise because "i need muh casual decks to stand a chance".
Glad to see an OCG player agree because i've had many people try to tell me "OCG Players like Maxx C, nobody actually hates Maxx C over there" which i know is not true
It's hard being an OCG player out there except they don't have to spend $1000 just to play a decent deck
That video title is the most TCG player take on an format they don't play in that I've ever seen. That actually describes the TCG players reaction to OCG as an whole. The video content is actually more reasonable. Please watch the video first before commenting.
It’s still funny how average TCG player take acts like OCG/MD is a dumpster fire while completely oblivious that their OWN FORMAT is not any better.
Congrats you have different issues instead.
@@mrharvy100 It's easier to criticize others than your own
@@mrharvy100what we know we gotta wait till fire has a few months then banned tcg is doing fine floodgates are being banned there killing cards that people dislike. Ocg not just maxx c they have cards that people would abuse here
"OCG is doomed"
bro didnt played the format and telling the format is doomed
The reason SP got semi limited turns out because 3 decks are using multiple copies of it namely :
1. Labrynth
2. Rescue Ace
3. Voiceless Voice
Beatrice limited? It's absolutely dumb but it's because Konami wishes to sell more boxes of Infinite Forbidden because Fiendsmith
Snake eyes Ash limit? Does not matter, just slot in fiendsmith and poplar is still at 3
Catapult Turtle should have been banned alongside other tribute to burn cards.
Kaiser Coliseum induces rulung headaches so might as well ease the head of judges LOL
KC isn't there for rulings reasons, as a judge it rly isn't too bad. It was a nasty searchable floodgate. Most decks struggle to out a card like KC if you can only have 1 monster
Sunny YGO does a great explanation for this banlist from a OCG player perspective.
I’ll say it : if Konami won’t ban Flamebridge / Poplar, than Quik fix and Masterplan have no business being on the list, gameplay wise. Both decks are goofy ass interrupt a bunch compare hands decks. You can’t logically throw tables over one without having beef with the other.
In MD both at full power and snake eyes is much better than spyral
@@isaacfernandes8625powerwise they're actually equal. Spyral just plays horribly into maxx C. SE doesn't play well either without giving around 5 draws.
@jackryderproductions1030 "Plays horribly into Maxx c" is an ass argument considering SHS, Adamancipator and Spright were both tier one in MD and OCG
@@mrsquadbotSHS was not tier 1. It was tier 2. But dropped to 3 because nobody wanted to rep it. But in power it should of been T1.
Spright prevents nib summons on your turn and the meta was weaker at the time. And moment a certain gy centric deck came out. It blew it out of the water.
Block dragon just did nasty stuff and almost unbreakable boards to the point maxx C didn't matter. Same for tear.
And Spyral isn't spamming omnis. Itd U-linking and locking you. It required so much to make a good board. Its like plants. Very very strong. Not tier 1 or 0. But tier 2 because of their very talented players.
Also convulsion of nature ban for konami lazyness kinda also hurts spyral.
@@jackryderproductions1030 Goalpost moving to the moon with those essays I see. SHS were tier one btw, stop lying on the internet
OCG just got more based.
Scorpio being on the list for that long is crazy
Personally, my issue with Tenpai is Transcendient Dragon. Sangen Summoning is kinda needed to enable the playstyle of the deck, which is basically skipping your own Main Phase 1. Transcendient, on the other hand, is actually denying interaction when Tenpai is making its plays, which is during the Battle Phase.
Sangen Summoning was too blatently overtuned. It did not deserve to stay at 3 in current game environment unless it got an errata to tune the card down.
SP getting hit while Baronne, Apollousa, IP, and Savage are all at 3 and have been in the game for years before SP is crazy
I know it's a meme of "6 Maxx C" but I actually feel like maybe you don't even play multchummy if you still have Maxx C?
You do get that 20% boost for a "Maxx C-like effect" but at the cost of half the time getting the "fair" version instead of the one that makes you just win.
Yeah as long as maxx C is available there is almost no reason to play multchumi just like how some great tuners weren't played with halq, not because they are bad but just worse than the alternatives
@@Ulquiorra_Cifer exepct that chummy is straight up bad
I wouldn’t play Chummy if the card dropped on TCG tommorow. People here heavily overrating “balanced Maxx C”. when it doesn’t do shit agaisnt special summons from deck, grave, and extra deck. Lot of decks don’t even special summon from hand. Lot of cases you get a glorified upstart if you are shotgunning it to draw from the normal summon, but when you factor in the many other drawbacks of the card…it’s just not.l good.
I get TCG only players are starved and Chummy is better then nothing, but I would still rather run other disruption handtraps over a conditional watered down bug
@@Ulquiorra_Cifernah, even phantazmay is better, so why play chummy?
@@mrharvy100 I see what you did there, “WATERed down bug” is such a great way to call Multchummy
I think I gotta stop looking at YT comments. They just keep getting worse and worse in terms of quality.
"What could possibly be worse than 3 Maxx C?"
An eternal combo centric format
@@JoeLikesBlueso ocg?
@@JoeLikesBlueWell Fiendsmith Snake-Eyes is still the best deck in the OCG even WITH Maxx C, so the card isn’t doing shit to stop combo decks, it’s just making games where either player draws it miserable
6 Maxx c
@@rtwoxd1355 Both formats atm. But OCG is far more enjoyable since Maxx “C” is present to make sure they aren’t always getting away with their bullshit scott free.
My thing with the Fiendsmith engine is that they shouldve guven it a hard Fiend lock loke Unchained Aruha
Fits the overall Fiendsmith lore perfectly and cuts down the generic use of it significantly. At the best decks that can use are basically Yubel, Labrynth, and Unchained. And you can do a few hits where you think necessary without absolutely killing them
Also, they shoild not have made Moon of the Closed Sky a light fiend specifically considering they planned for Fiendsmith as well
I love that the Tenpai hit did more to that deck than the Snake Eye hits did lmfao.
lmao this banlist much better than tcg comedy banlist last time
The gimmick puppet limit is actually huge
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Hear me out: what if Konami releases a new wave of support for BA after banning Beatrice? They can literally make a new Beatrice that can only send BA monsters while also being a BA herself.
Yeah Beatrice not being a BA hurt the deck more than helped I hope this happens
My only problem with S:P is when is used as disruption in my turn, that only happens when she is summoned during my turn with IP or Soul of Rage, that is the only banworthy interaction SP provides, I think she is fine as an stand alone card
SP is blatently overtuned as a generic L2, but it becomes a problem when used in conjunction with IP.
IP was always a ticking time bomb that enabled turn 1 combo players to continue to combo and disrupt on your turn 2. They need to ban one of them, but my preference is ban IP because that card by design just enables problems.
@@mrharvy100 I believe SP is yeah a bit too powerful, but that is because she was designed as a going second card, which, by nature need to be more powerful to balance out how shit is going second nowadays
I personally think the reason konami make multchummy is because they want to give the ocg player a tool to substitute maxx c at world. Cause at the world format lots of the ocg actually didnt really know how to react to combo deck in a format without maxx c, but of course this my personal opinion.😂
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OCG got 6 "C" : 3 Maxx "C" and 3 Minn "C" 😂
Multchummy is just a bait to resolve your maxx c
3 Maxx c for going first, 6 for going second
Hot take, consistency hits are not just fine but sometimes better than bans. I think if you hit a decks engine enough it becomes either so inconsistent or mediocre that people stop playing it, look at Superheavy, Dragon Link, and Unchained their consistency hits murdered them, the reason snake eye is different is because people forget to mention the history.
“Snake eye” as a deck as been meta now in 3 completely different ways due to newly added support. Poplar made Snake eye pure viable, the fire kings gave it a new twist, and now fiend smith is a new form of engine to turbo out generic negates just in a different way.
The TCG is so misplaced in just banning cards since it’s been shown time and time again that the banned card will be replaced in some different way. Baronne/Savage got swapped for Dis Pater/Omega or Ceaser/Beatrice. It did nothing, so the only real way to hit the deck without killing it (which I think is better game design than lazily killing a deck) is through consistency limits and semi-limits
Multchummy seems like it will be a side board card and maybe depending on the format could be main decked. Along the lines of like Ghost Ogre or Droll, which is honestly a good thing. As a master duel player I want Maxx "C" banned just so I don't have to run Called By, Crossout Designator, and Ash Blossom in every single deck. Like 1/4th of the cards in your deck are already decided because of Maxx "C", very boring for deck building.
Next we'll get an Ash Blossom that stops your opponent from setting cards from the deck.
No one used 3 S:P, but some did use 2, so it's not too ridiculous of a hit. But yeah, it's definitely more like a warning shot
Joshua you have to try Ice Barrier Runick asap
3 Maxx C, 3 Multchummy... how many draw effects does one need? If I remember correctly, too many draw effects are bad.
My favorite genre of content is tcg players doomposting about the ocg while the ocg players are just chilling
Today I learned we need Maxx "C" back to 1
“But chummy sucks tho”
Ya say it like banning roach without replacing it is a bad thing.
Yes, it is a bad thing. That would just make going first player have less things to worry about, in a game where going first is inherently advantageous.
@elainasjournal5734 maxx c helps the going first player just as much as the going second player
a full board setup + maxx c is a 99% unwinnable scenario unless you can somehow guarantee that you can clear the board and also kill that turn. or unless you're playing a bit of an the off the wall, unconventional deck like paleo but victory is hardly guaranteed in that scenario either
@@MiyaoMeow588 my Blind 2nd Strikers love that Maxx C btw, let me search Evenly off Thrust and clear everything.
Also, generally, Maxx C doesn’t help the first player just as much as it helps the second player. Going first in YGO is inherently so advantageous that most decks have like 20% more win rate going 1st than going 2nd. A resolved Maxx C from the 1st player usually isn’t making a difference, because even without that Maxx C, the 2nd player still have to deal with that I:P, that Flamberge, that Princess from GY, etc. Meanwhile, a resolved Maxx C from the 2nd player helps them more, because the 1st player will have to put up less interaction or give the 2nd player more resources to break through. Saying “but Maxx C helps the 1st player just as much” is very wrong and undermining the role of Maxx C.
@@elainasjournal5734oh wow sky striker can beat maxx c by cheesing out a board breaker, what a good reason to keep it around!
@@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430 it would be. It would alter the format in a way o don’t think the OCG has ever experienced.
You don’t even play the format so why do you even care
Realisticly if we could play any amount of maxx c type cards, what would be the optimal number? There must be a point where its detrimental for the deck to play that many copies of maxx c type cards
Based on my calculations, after 13 in 40 cards and 22 in 60, the card loses value.
These come from 1 mana cast decks from 1993-4 (40 card era magic) and current mana ratios.
In multicolor and high mana decks of 40 cards, you’d see typically 16-19 mana
Realistically since you can just wait for them to summon theres really no downside to having multiple of these cards. The more Maxx C cards the worst the problem is. Because you chain to their summon and theres really no downside and if they have a response to 1 its very unlikely for them to have a response to the 2nd. What you want to avoid is having multiple of the *same* Maxx C card in hand since they are once per turn
Considering every T0 or T1 deck in YGO can run off of 1 card combos they can shove as many hand traps as they possibly want and not be detrimental. One day Komoney will realize it and reset their game to none of this garbage.
As many as you can whilst remaining the rest of the deck powerful enough to win. Maxx c is useless vs an ftk deck if you dont play other hts.
id say 6 is a good number which is optimal to draw 1 but not 3.
I think s.p is a really healthy card for the game. For example it is nice that you have a removal for any card on the Board or grave. For this you are not able to kill your oppnent because you are not allowed to attack direct. It isnice to Balance cards like nibiru or evenly because you can save 2 of you cards. Another good is, that if you end with s.p on your board your oppnents can not just make his combo and kill you, so many oppnents make a monster with 1700 or more attack and go bp to out s.p. you get an additional turn and thats healthy for the game. If your oppnent wants to kill you through s.p you can interrupt him. So its not so easy to do.
The problem card with s.p is I.p because making s.p in you oppnents turn is insane and i think they should ban i.p and let s.p in the game
For me it is a healthy and Balanced card that makes the game slower because both Player could not easy kill if an s.p is on the beard
They can just errata maxx c to add an activation condition "You can only activate this card if you control less cards than your opponent". That way, you can't shotgun it turn draw/standby phase turn 1 and TTT becomes live. Your opp can't end on baronne + 30 negates and maxx c you for turn.
I don't understand this suggestion it just makes going 1st weaker which is good but i mean why do it in this absolute miserable way
Maybe also a clause that "you can only activate Maxx C once per duel" to take off the awful experience of getting C'd twice or thrice, and that way the card would have a downside of drawing multiple copies of it (which you need to have more chances of drawing going second).
Massive negate boards arent even common, and there are lots of *fair* cards to counter it. Even under this Errata I think it should still stay banned. For 2 reasons,
1:) A player shouldnt lose just because they went first and got Maxx C'd your suggestion did nothing to fix the problem of it being a unfair and broken card
2:) Either way Maxx C still remains format warping. Everyone still needs to run 40 cards, need to have as many Maxx C counters as possible, and need to be lucky. Its stupid. Ban it
Consider the XYZ hit the same as the original Master Diamond hit.
Let me introduce you guy to XYZ summon. What does it do?
FTKing!
I get that multchummy doesn't synergize with Maxx C, but the idea of needing to run it 100% of the time just as secondary Maxx C on Master Duel sounded so horrendous (when it drops)
Imagine you have to run 11 - 12 exact same card on every deck instead of 8 - 9 which already takes up quite amount of slot:
3 Maxx C
3 Multchummy
3 Ash Blossom
2 Called By
0 - 1 crossout (well at this rate might as well run it)
I guess not a problem for deck with small engine or something like mebe Purrely....
Based af that they have 3 maxx c and 3 of whatever the new one is.
Multchummy is not good enough to replace Maxx C. They should have added another effect to shuffle it back to draw 1 card -> Its playable in the main deck. And then a Maxx C ban would be realistic.
What if they just play both?
Just don’t make degenerate combo decks and then Maxx C is never necessary. Simple
@@Bogg8oo Currently only going 2nd decks are playing multchummy in the main deck. Many decks dont even play it in the side.
@@ducky36F maxx c does nothing to degenarete combo decks :) it is not the answer
@@ducky36Flike every deck special summons loads anyway basically every deck loses to it, it’s not just combo decks smh
7:55 Catapult Turtle 84,4% winrate
I think multchummy is for the tcg
well saying more collosussies is irrelevant is strange when the thing that got it banned was when people made 3 to have 1 on field plus a rank 8. thunder dragon still isn't bad and for certain could come back when something get released and with 3 coloass we are just back at chaos thunder dragon piles
I dont care if maxx was in the trial decks, dont give the tcg a card that we already made 13 years ago and DONT LIKE. If you're not even gonna use it you're only making this to get under the TCG's skin!
Quickfix at 2 is not bad. It helps a spyral without being broken. Will you now play machine dupe again. The possibility is there. It is also way weaker. At 3 it would be broken.
In the end no matter because maxx c is ban in tcg and when the world tournament happen no one used so win win i guess ._.
Warning shots are funny. What does Konami OCG expects? for their players to stop playing S:P so it doesnt get banned? lmao
Decent list for the ocg. Some things should've been back and some cards should've been banned by now. They killed SE onkt to FS come in and take their place and be the newest engine in every deck
I find it somewhat funny how relatively few people are considering a ban on I:P Masquerena in general. Arguably, she's the reason why Snake-Eye is as dominant as it is because she fulfills two very important roles in the Deck for one interaction; be able to be set up as interruption from the backrow thanks to Flamberge/Temple, and sending Flamberge to the GY during the opponent's turn to give the user massive follow-up during their next turn.
Arguably, you can say that Masq shouldn't be hit... but why would OCG be hitting S:P to begin with if the interaction isn't such a major problem in the meta? An interaction facilitated by I:P Masquerena?
I feel that rather than slowly dropping S:P to a banned status, OCG should rip off the bandaid and ban I:P Masquerena instead. It'd hurt the Deck significantly and make its Turn 1 boards significantly worse, and it'd make abuse of it in unintended ways in the future that'd become problematic simply not exist
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Bonfire to 2 made me sick. It is suposed to be a Pyro support card, and it didn't even get to be used on decks like ashened or centurion, If you want to nerf snake eyes, just go for poplar and leave the generic support alive
As much as I love Thunder Dragons, I don't see Colossus going to 3 as meta relevant. There are so many ways to out it now, unless they give new support to the deck, it's just going to be stay a hobby deck for me
Funny how the runick player thinks Tenpai is boring.
i don't like multchummy because it's just gg for spright and I love the little zappy aliens... but balancing wise it's genuinely good as opposed to maxx "c"
wasn’t around for spiral why’s it so hated?
Ban ash, ban ash and all other handtraps, ban drain and all other floodgates,Poplar 2 2, flamberge 1, wanted 1, and let the madness begin, maxx C and the POG to 1😈🤣
Argument why Maxx “C” is bad for the game and how well you understand the OCG format.
This might sound like cope, but my take is that jellyfish is indeed the replacement to maxx c and ocg does plan on banning the bug eventually, but they probably didn't want to rock the boat this hard so close to worlds. So hopefully next list
Insane cope
Actually, Maxx C is reprinted in the Tactical Try decks. So that could be a reason to keep it around.
“This ban list for sure guys!” - TCG player saying this for years and will continue to say this for years.
Maybe…just…maybe OCG doesn’t need to be TCG. TCG isn’t any better anyway lol.
@@mrharvy100No Max C in TCG. Then yes, TCG is better.
Worlds banlist has maxx c banned anyway since it combines the two lists, so thats not real.
The only actual reasoning is the tactical try decks reprinting it.
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Crazy suggestion... if they ban Beatrice, they should unban Curious or, preferably, Lavalval Chain...
... I think it would be funny...
Multchummy does nothing in a Fiendsmith tier 0 format (where things are summoned from the deck and GY), so no one in the OCG believes that Maxx C will be hit. Also I think it’s funny for TCG players to call for Maxx C ban when OCG banlist drops, and TCG players also coping for Maxx C come back when TCG banlist drops just to sell the cards 😂
Normal summon breaks even, poplar summon makes +1, and if we have a witch, then thats +2. They could hold on the witch but thats still restraining the opponents actions so youre still getting value
@@avatarmufasa3628and whatever you do with the normal summon, the ss Poplar and the ss Witch is always gonna be better than whatever they gonna do with the 3 cards they just drew because you are the turn player. The card value isn’t equal going first and going second. That normal summon, Poplar and Witch can also nets you 3 more cards with their summoned eff, then converts into bodies for extra deck plays. Meanwhile, the three cards your opp draw has to be handtraps to be able to use right away to disrupt you, or they will still have to wait to their turn to use those. So please, don’t act like Multchummy is good, because it’s not.
@@elainasjournal5734 Im aware tat going 2nd is still worst, but id still rather take out my opponent with 8 cards rather than 6 when i am asked to go 2nd
Having played branded last format, that seems like a really sweet deal for me. We already did similar things with phantazmay in a previous format, and thats a less satisfying +1, as the +1 is the body (yes the body has uses like killing appo, but sometimes youd just prefer the extra draw).
Same with plants, they would like the extra bodies too.
To go further than this, the handtrap is going to be available once snake eyes gets hit... and it just so happens that a lot of the annoying shifter decks summon a lot from the hand, which might help make the format feel healthier too, (probably a coincidence, but ill take it)
So instead of just saying im "acting", how about you at least try and ask for what insight the other person has, rather than assuming you know it all
@@avatarmufasa3628 tbf I did sound a bit harsh so I’m sorry. I’m just too tired from many people thinking that (either genuinely or acting) Multchummy is going to replace Maxx C when the card is completely inferior in comparison.
But yah, if you aren’t saying that then we can have a nice conversation. Tbh, I think in the TCG Multchummy is still an okay card post-side, it does what it aims to do (making going 2nd a bit better), but the downside is still the same as Maxx C: if they have Ash/Called By then you’re down a card. (back to the point I made earlier, while they also lose a card to stop that Multchummy, as the 1st turn player their card value is different since they have the opportunity to compensate for that card. Maybe try to pair it with Gamma since you’ll be using Multchummy with an empty board to make sure it resolves?
@@elainasjournal5734
" tbf I did sound a bit harsh so I’m sorry."
Respect earnt here
I mean, i call it maxx c 2.0. But im fully aware its nowhere near as powerful, multchummy is also less flexible and could be dead on the draw, and is dead going first. Theres no way its anywhere near close to maxx c, buttttt its effect is in the same camp in how it functions. And thats going to offer more options to take on boards than direct effect negation, or nibiru (which requires a pre condition which means your opponent has already played to activate).
And youre totally right on called by, ash ect. But called by doesnt stop veiler or ghost mourner or shifter being demonstratedly powerful cards, and taking out their ash may help you later too, as youre still gonna have to play round it anyways. i guess, they could have another and you allowed them to activate it effciently, but i dont think thats a good enough reason to discount multchummy.
Also in my case, i just said i played branded, can you imagine my joy when they dont get to use ash for branded fusion. And if they let multchummy resolve because they wanna use it for BF, well then, ill have more ammunition to fight round ash, drawing into talents and thrusts and whatever.
im skeptical that gamma at 1 is the play, could see it happening if gamma is at 2 or 3.
Or maybe most decks would rather just have multchummy's spot for imperm-like cards and try to stop the opponent playing like last format, and this would otherwise take that spot. Only way to find out is to wait for release and see how it performs in practice.
And yeh, im aware i write a lot. cant write concisely to save my life
hear me out to balance snake eyes. ban snake eye ash and limit flamberge to one. that should solve the one card problem, and it can make the deck still playable
I feel like the video title is kinda exaggerated, which doesn't reflect the reasonable banlist discussion in the video itself. Too bad that it happens a lot recently
Josh chat yapping about ocg are braindead and their banlists sucks , like plz go argue about tcg that legit had a banlist with 0 hits against any fire deck and go look at the fiendsmith card rarities and how snake eye fiendsmith gonna cost ur ass 2k$ to build then the banlist will kill the deck after worlds. Whether u like it or not ocg format is still 10x better than tcg in every way possible except for maxx c exiting and that’s it.
Josh and his chat bitch about the TCG banlist constantly, what more could you possibly want from them? lmao
TCG Pendulum decks are also deader than dead.
From what I can see, OCG banlist take in consideration of making sure a deck can still play, many TCG bans just murder decks in cold blood, especially after it's done printing them.
@@SoysauceML cause tcg is just a business, they release a deck that costs u 100 to thousands of dollars then kill the deck a few month later , like tcg legit reminds me of duel links both are money makers and scam that’s it. While ocg and Md are the same where they are f2p at a good level. At least ocg prints care at different rarities so players can buy whatever they want.
@@Od9189 Honestly I can't understand that sentiment. Like I play Performapal Magician even after Supreme Gate dropped (I play both), but I would not have played either if they killed Electrumite. So I still bought the Pendulum support cards like Beyond/Exceed/Promethean, where as I wouldn't have otherwise. I guess they're only after the hardcore meta chasers, and/or one time scams.
Komoney doesnt care about what NA and EU players want in the TCG. TCG is their cash cow to fund their company because people refuse to quit their game. Nothing gets banned in TCG until they suck the living hell out of peoples wallets and then ban the shit out of cards after people have given them money and had a bit of fun.
Please me have this lol. I need both cards in master duel
Tenpai is better in OCG than TCG. They better wait until we have genroku for at least a month or two
The only cope I can think of is that they're waiting until after worlds, to have a completely new year of Yu-Gi-Oh without Maxx C
Watch the tcg unban maxx c now lol 😂
Long post incoming: I 100% believe Mulcharmy Purulia is a sign that they will inevitably ban Maxx C in the OCG, it's just going to take quite a bit longer for that to happen than we might have been hoping.
For starters, outright banning Maxx C with no warning and without also banning a critical mass of other cards would be like asking your entire customerbase to play an entirely different game overnight. Dramatic changes like that have to be made gradually, very carefully, or with a lot more warning. All of those crazy combo decks that are theoretically stopped by Maxx C now suddenly run rampant unless all of them are taken out at the same time. Which is doable, but I think that's too much to ask of your players at once(especially in their culture, where many of them could happily just switch to a different game). Also, it's worth noting that two of the Tactical Try decks they just released in Japan this month each have two copies of Maxx C in them, so there's no way they could have knocked it down to any less than semi-limited if they wanted to keep those products tournament legal. It was possible for them to semi-limit it and make a handful of other changes to gear up for a ban next year, but not this time, it seems.
As for our little squid friend, it alone is not enough to be a replacement for Maxx C. But given the clause on the card stating that you can only activate 2 Mulcharmy effects per turn and the fact that the threshold you have to hit in order to shuffle your hand back into the deck is so high, I'm convinced that Purulia is the first in a series. A series of handtraps that allow you to draw cards when your opponent summons, with each card keyed to a different location. There will inevitably be one that lets you draw when they summon from deck, one for the Graveyard, one for the Extra Deck, and so on. Much like the Ghost Girl handtraps from the Arc V / Vrains era, they're gradually going to release them one at a time over the course of several sets. One card that gives you a few draws if they summon from the hand isn't a huge deal. But what if it's paired with one of the other ones? And what if both of them are paired with Maxx C? Eventually the Mulcharmy series is going to make Maxx C's existence an inescapable nightmare, and that's completely by design. The goal of the archetype is to get rid of Maxx C, leaving us with several 'pieces' of Maxx C that rotate in and out of formats and sideboards depending on which top decks are summoning from which locations.
I think it's gonna happen. It just won't be for a while.
You make it sound hopeful hope it's right
They should just erata Colossus. It would be so easy to fix but not kill the pure version. Either make it so you have to use a thunder dragon monster to summon it instead of any thunder effect monster, or require that a thunder dragon hand effect be activated to summon it, rather than any thunder. There. Fixed.
Hate the tenpai hit in a game where every deck is another flavor of your opponent can’t play the game. Tenpai forced decks to atleast play 1 tech specifically for it WHICH WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE POINT OF HAND TRAPS. hand traps weren’t initially made as these hit everything type of tool box. They were tools to be pick and choose depending on the opponents deck. But now it’s just a package of 10-15 cards that hit everything and when people have to side in or tech in something new they cry like a baby and get these decks banned.
Tenpai is boring but it was good for the variety of gameplay it added to the game. The only deck who’s whole identity was just we kill you, and we ban it so we can go back to having to deal with the very interactive I counter every card you play type of decks.
Ein neue ash wäre gut
Multchummy just isn't that good. I don't get why ppl hype it up so much. Watch it fail after release in the TCG and be forgotten in a matter of weeks.
*Collolololololossos*
It so funny seeing tcg players crying maxx c didn't get banned at ocg while they already got what they want. Lots of ocg players are okay with maxx c not banned.
Snake eyes tier 0 in tcg is doomed
And jellyfish is suck
マルチャミーが思ったよりも雑魚すぎた😅
6:25 The problem with Summoning is that you can out it and then your opponent can just slap down another one.
I'd rather they leave Summoning and just ban Transcendent so that your window to interact with your opponent would be the battle phase, which would make sense since it's a battle phase deck.
By hitting Summoning instead of banning Transcendent, you don't interact with Tenpai any differently than any other deck.
If I face a Battle Phase centric deck, I expect to be able to have cool battles.
Who gives a shit if snake-eye or yubel or tenpai or tearlaments or flow are the best deck. There will be a tier zero in every format from now on. Target ban 1. Watch how the community finds another.
Yugioh world champion really thought Maxx C was going to be banned. Poor child.
So glad Maxx C isn't banned, hope it exists for forever. Multchummy was made for the TCG clearly, they thought, you all need a Maxx C so we'll make a worse one and it will exist as an option for the OCG but really never see play, it doesn't see play in the OCG at all because it's terrible.
Enjoy your new play set of scr min C!
Collosussy
Cue the smug OCG casuals slamming TCG players for being "dumb" and "not understanding the OCG."
Nah we will slam TCG players where it really hurts, having to fork out at least hundreds of dollars just to catch up with the meta.
Then again consider this, what if TCG players haven’t made such a big hoo-hah on a format that they don’t play in? Will they still get slammed?
You're saying that like it isn't true 😂
Your format literally banned Baronne Linkuriboh and Savage like they were a problem then it literally didn't do anything to Snake Eye, in fact they're the overwhelming top deck now 😂
Look at you tcg player, that's what you get for complain too much for a format you are not playing at
@@jacobgodfrey1694 what are you trying to prove here? Nobody playing TCG is happy with how expensive it is. Nobody takes pride in it. Konami's business practices are widely criticized by TCG players. Surely you've seen that. There is vocal demand for TCG to follow the rarity model of OCG.
People talk about multiple formats for a few reasons. Some people play in multiple formats. Some people look to OCG for insight into Konami's future plans for TCG or Master Duel. We're all Yu-Gi-Oh players, so Yu-Gi-Oh news in any format is a matter of interest for many players. It's very interesting to me that, when a native Japanese OCG player shares his thoughts about TCG, TCG players are super interested in what he has to say because the difference in perspective is appreciated. On the other hand, when a TCG player shares an opinion about OCG, OCG players take offense and throw insults around in a manner I can only describe as tribal. We're all swimming in the same pool, so why not act like it and be excited there's so much interest in a format you play?
@@fraternovaeres what i am trying to prove, is that the amount of dedication to intervene in a format that TCG players don't actively participate in, is being misdirected, specifically wanting maxx C banned.
There is a difference between sharing of thoughts and judging something without hearing what the relevant party has to say all in the name of gaining more CZcams views, like "this OCG banlist is bad", "this OCG banlist does nothing" and in this case "OCG is doomed", like bruh, you are talking as if TCG format is gucci and all. Stfu with that holier than thou attitude.
Oh yeah, don't forget about demanding changes to be made in a format that you don't play in. How would you like it if OCG players start demanding TCG format to unlimit Maxx C? It is not a matter of the degeneracy of Maxx C, but rather a lack of basic courtesy shown (i.e. going to another country and showing a disregard for their culture/laws). [Fun fact: Japanese are not the only OCG players. And if the tables were turned i.e. an OCG player shits on a TCG format without any active participation in said format, he/she deserves to get flamed too]
To be fair, there are some TCG players/yugitubers who are not like the aforementioned ones, but the fact that I have to keep reading comments like "6 maxx cs" (only tenpai adds multchummy and it was also removed in subsequent deck listings), "OCG ppl are stupid/(any other derogatory terms) for being fine with maxx c to remain unbanned" and finally "TCG Yugioh is better because no maxx C", makes me think that TCG players mindset is, using your own word, tribal. Hell, I remember the first interaction with a TCG player upon learning that I am an OCG player is being told to "ban maxx c".
TL;DR Don't hold your breath waiting for maxx C to be banned in OCG. If it happens, it happens. Focus on fixing your own format first.