Massacre at Matewan - Law Enforcement Perspective
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- I arrived a little late at the town of Matewan, hoping to make it my first stop on the way to Blair Mountain. However, I found a flyer for a tour done by a relative of one of the killed Baldwin Felts detectives. His insight was taken to heart, and I plan on putting out a more detailed video soon - splicing together scenes of the movie. My opinion is that the truth is somewhere in the middle. The movie Matewan clearly had inaccuracies that I will go into later (there were no communists leading the strikes, and a teenager was never killed on the direction of C.E. Lively). These events all happened at different times in the region, but few happened in Matewan.
Hired thugs are NOT Law Enforcement
Exactly. All cops are thugs
Neat perspective; but I'd still have to say the miners were in the right. Company scrip and other practices make that evident. Sid might have been less than moral but was ultimately on the right side.
I think James more or less agreed with the miners, but still feels bitter that the media and popular retellings have made the event seem like 3 brave miners and a good cop killed a bunch of crooked cops. He wants to set the record straight, but may have gotten wrapped up in believing totally what the detectives claimed. I really don’t know if I can believe that 400 drunk miners could keep quiet and not be noticed by the cops.
@@johnposey1455. They were not cops. They are private security. They DO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO ENFORCE LAW.
I met this man in matewan and questioned him for a while. He is the real article. Never stuttered or stammered. Very knowledgeable and to the point.
Mrs McCoy, a religious woman, was still mad about the loss of Roseannes baby.
This part is reading between the lines:
The little McCoy girl was very pretty. She and Cotton Top were 2 of the few blonds here and were both special. They were sneaking seeing each other, doing nothing else.
This is from a McCoy:
Randal (possibly saying, "they ain't doin nothin" infuriated Mrs. McCoy.
She grabbed Randal up, knocking over the kerosene lamp, and throws him in
The hog lot.
Then, blind with rage, she comes out shooting with both hands.
She'd had a nervous breakdown from all the violence.
Vance had come looking for Cottontop.
I'm not sure if its right to bring this out, but I'm old, and think somebody needs to
Study this.
I try not to talk or think about this much, but Sid Hatfield was a real controversial star here. Many don't think he was a Hatfield, but was drawing off the fame of
Randall McCoys wife, who could also shoot with both hands at same time.
The feud, which ended in 1890, was still fresh in everyones minds.
It was eye for an eye law here then and the Hatfields had told Cotton to stay away
From there.
In the movie, Cotton says, "The Hatfields hornswaggled me with love"
I think the younger Hatfields would tease Cotton about that pretty little
Girl, knowing he had a crush on her.
Randal was Confederate, too. Back then, men headed the homes, but
The women were yelling their brains out.
Most outsiders left this little valley alone, and it was mostly common law.
Don’t know enough about all the facts to have a true story to believe. But this sure was interesting and I hope that old timer is doing well
I’m proud of the miners. Baldwin Felts we’re dirty dogs.
Im wondering who told all those miners to come to Matewan that day.
It sounds like they were more of an audience than participants.
It sounds like a few men who knew each other had a shoot-out.
I am so sick of the lies, but all I know is hearsay.
The 2 families were friends. Vance took the blame to protect Randals
Wife whod accidentally killed her daughter.
The unionizing was acontinuation of the feud, which was a continuation of the Civil War.
This stuff is talk from both families that Ive heard thepast 60 years.
The Hatfields were clannish, shy, and possibly in line to the Throne.
The McCoys were educated and popular. Randal even ran a ferry.
The Hatfields had put a Governor in office. Unsure of the year.
The McCoys had to keep pace?
Thank You
Think of the timing:
Civil War was 30 yrs before Feud end.
Matewan Massacre 30 yrs after Feud end.
The Paw Paw incident was Capt. Anse Hatfields firing squad, Logan Wildcats,
Confederate Military, I think.
I dont know how that ties in to the shooting, and the kids being taken to safety,
But i believe it does.
Were these men who were trying to form a union of the 2 clans or mostly
Outsiders?
My papaw, who some say was a union organizer, was an outsider from
Tennessee. He was also a Minister but I dont think he was at Matewan
That day.
Back then, women didnt have as many job opportunities and hooking was seen
As a good way to get a husband. It was much more acceptable.
What dif does it make if he was gay?
If so, she mayve been his trophy wife, and trophy wives get mad.
She was said to have been the most cultured, well-dressed woman here.
I wonder if she dated Sid before she met the mayor.
Theres always the religious people fighting it, and this area had some of the
Toughest. But most of the US accepted it, mostly because they were
Practical farm people who saw humans as just a step above animals.
Im really unsure of this, but some believe that Mrs T was The Madam
Of Matewan. This is kinda hard to believe because most madams didnt look that
Good.
Excellent! With facts that can be proved.
It's been way too one-sided here.
I havent watched whole video yet, but Blizzard is a huge thing in this.
He was at Blair Mountain, but no one knows whos side he was on?
Too many opinions ,every body has one
Many here are descended from these women.
Please forgive me if this is slander, but Mayor Test-her-man was possibly gay.
He still has kin here, too.
Tell it as it is
Just like the gold rushes of the West.
This is kinda funny, but incest was so common thst men just accepted that there
Were no virgins. Ha
This guy is trying to set the record straight.
What? That we should all be wage slaves? Under the thumb of large corporations?