The Golden Ratio and Fibonacci in Music (feat. Be Smart)
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The golden ratio is the irrational number Phi. We see it everywhere in the world around us. But, did you know that you can also hear it in your favorite music?
Since the beginning of time Phi-also known as the golden ratio-has inspired the world around us. Have you ever noticed how some pieces of music just seem to make sense? From the notes and chords to the phrasing and dynamics, they can all feel like they were meant to go together. Many people believe this is not a coincidence but the golden ratio in action. Hosts Nahre and LA explore this phenomenon and create their own composition inspired by the golden ratio.
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We like music. You like music. Let’s break it down. Sound Field is a PBS Digital Studios web series produced by Rewire.org. #SoundFieldPBS #Rewire #PBSDigitalStudios joe hanson nahre sol béla bartók la buckner It's Okay To Be Smart
Thanks a lot guys. I am the guy doing konnakol from 5.53. It means a lot to be featured here. 🙏
Your work is so inspiring to us! Thanks for letting us feature a part of your piece in this video. Everyone should check out your amazing music.
Thank you sound field it means a lot 😊
Bahut khushi Hui!!!!! Amazing musician!
I didn't read every reply, but BT (Brian Transeau) made a track called 1.618, which is a song in his album which I assume is a tribute to nature and science, titled This Binary Universe. Worth a listen!!!
Manjunath B.C That was AMAZING!!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
It was great working on this video with you guys! Sound Field is awesome (but anyone reading this already knows that 🤓)
Thanks for the help Joe! Can't wait until you make a video on the golden ratio...
It was so cool to collaborate like this, thank you Joe!
That is inherent! I tune pianos and have some knowledge of quantum physics and mathematics. It is now becoming vividly clear as to the meaning of the music of the spheres. The cyclical nature of vibrating fields of energy are always transmuted based on geometric harmonics. Sound becomes light. As above ,so below.
Oh boy I have waited so long to hear this. Now revolve the cord and and add the sub melody it will be like a fractal image. In music. The real brainwave of the new human.
Where can I get the (album)
And play it for my garden
beethovensg yes the rosacrutions knew that sound makes light. The Hopi beetle people played a flute and heated stones red hot
But o like this bit for its Brian wave entertainment ability’s
It’s a fractal. Can’t wait for more
"People used to think of limitations and boundaries as negative words, however, when you are creative and you have so many ideas coming to you, you kinda need those walls to create within" -LA
Yoooo!!! I read this quote just as he said it.
I read this exactly when he said it !!!!
Had to rewind that. Definitely a profound statement.
I also read it at the point when he actually said it!! Crazy
I totally agree because it helps you make a decision and not wander aimlessly looking for the 'perfect result'.
Two enthusiastic and mutually supportive artists explaining the Golden Ratio in music ... well, so much fun. Thanks so much for putting this out to the world.
"Evaporate it" is such a perfect way to describe that.
i can relate so well to that producing trance, i like to "evaporate" my leads with reverb and filters :D
... and also the way she motioned it with her fingers... :)
This video is 618 seconds long and that is amazing planning.
Its 10:19 minutes long though...
@@danfield6030 yes, and 10x60 = 600 + 18 = 618 seconds
They are showing us how to make music, it’s incredible.
The music she wrote feels so natural, I immediately got the feeling I've heard it before even tho I havent. Anyone else got that feeling?
The phi moment sequence reminds me of the walking dead theme tune...
Me.
how can we get this song?
Yes, well it sounds pretty inlfuenced by "minimalism" which is what a lot of composers gravitate towards nowadays, perhaps because it somehow aligns with the Zeitgeist of our time and our current scientific knowledge and philosophical paradigms that we all (sub)consciously live in? Similar to like classicism must have felt natural to composers in the 18th-early 19th century? That might be why certain composing styles become popular or "dominant" in a certain era... just my thoughts.
mv022 good thoughts!
Having been a quantum physics major and currently a singer songwriter, I found this very enlightening. It's almost as if you can glean something of an individuals SPIRIT by seeing/hearing where and how they compose/play/sing. I feel in love with the black keys when I was little, my singing always a little off in the rightest way. By figuring out your natural inclination/ pattern you can figure out what type of flower you are in the world.🌼🌹🌸🌷
Saron Williams My cat had kittens and one now about 8 moths has the “phi” on his back. How unusual is that!
The "Tao of Physics" by F Capra is already on your bookshelf I hope?
@@candicewitzkoske3155 I'M SORRY I'M JUST SEEING THIS. HOW AMAZING IS THAT KITTY! Did you keep him?
@@billsadler3 Omgosh! I started reading that book when I was on vacation several years ago. My friend was interested, so I left it with her, with plans to get another one. Thanks for the reminder hun!😄
@@billsadler3 I've read the Tao of Pooh like 5 times, looks like I found my next book ^_^
Omg the phi moment on Nahre's was amazing
After editing that moment for literally hours, I was really starting wonder if it was worth it.
6:17
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@@SoundFieldPBS 😂
@@NahreSol that piece was stunning thank you for enriching my life 🙂👍
I'm way into this mentality. I was explaining the golden mean to a friend of mine. And showing him how it's in nature. He didn't seem to be very interested. But later was asking me more about it. As I showed him the spiral pattern in his Sunflowers.
The possibility with music is endless. Like the Mandelbrot Set. Which is based on the Fibonacci sequence.
While she intentionally used the Fibonacci Sequence in her musical composition, I'm not so sure that the other composers mentioned, really knew what they had done. It seems to me that it is an innate ability of our senses to the rhythmic perfection of the Fibonacci Sequence and that is why we appreciate and relax within the harmony we feel when we hear it. This video made me reflect on several musical pieces that I have been drawn to and why. When I listen to music whether it be classical to rock, before a note is even played, I know the sound of that note, the tempo of that note, and the perfection of that note. It's in the synchronicity of humanity and the universe.
To me, the perfect energetic tempo in music to connect to is 144bpm(or 72bpm), is a fib number and where most peoples heart rate lies when they are doing physical activities (dancing)
I am 60 next month and feeling such excitement that the world has young people like you in it and will have (God willing) for many years to come.
You bring such a joy in your music but most of all, in the smiles I see you sharing with one another :)
Thank yooooo :)
Well said, I agree.
I was expecting some Tool here
We are just beyond expectations!
@@SoundFieldPBS Oh, you definitely are! You guys are awesome
I was looking for this comment :D
Tool was probably the most popular blatant example too :P
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Spiral out
Keep going
Spiral out
Keep going
Spiral out
What??? Qualified musicians speaking about music???
Everyone is qualified to speak about music (just not theory). Music has 2 equally important ingredients: the intellect... and the intuition. The former is what scares people away from music. The latter can make music without instruments or training (though it might not be 'listenable' to the trained ear).
Galileo said, “Mathematics is the language in which God has written the universe.”
I just wish they have a better computer that can run Chrome without using up memory...
Is 2020 the year we finally upgrade from windows x?
B to the rian Y to the u-n-G well we get the corona virus.
Mathematics is everywhere. Look at Tesla (Nikola Tesla not the company) and his teachings of energy frequency and vibration
@@bigstonez Yes, math is in ALL created things and is a major part of human engineered things.
I’m 1.618034 % sure this is my new favorite episode.
Have yourself a piece of Phi...with ice cream.
that's not very sure
Sweet composition Nahre. Love the colours you paint with musically and numerically.
Thank you!!!
With only 4 episodes, Sound Field is rapidly rising to the top of my list of favourites. Each episode had been fantastic. 🎶🖤🎵
Thank you for watching!!
The piano song was beautiful
1 - "Black"
1 - "Then"
2 - "White are"
3 - "All I see"
5 - "In My Infancy"
8 - "Red and yellow then came to be"
5 - "Reaching out to me"
3 - "Let's me see"
Tool
What I came here to see
Am not.
@@therevelistmovement4683 Am not what?
@@labbeaj a tool.
@@therevelistmovement4683 😅
"by the way, this is the phi moment of this video" hilarious! and you are all mindblowing, thank you!
@9:40😂
Agreed. The Phi moment of this video @ 6:17 sounds like this piece by Mannheim Steamoller from 0:28 to 0:33 and then a quick skip to 1:22 to the end.
czcams.com/video/FrHlL8k7ouE/video.html
I only know this because I'm a huge Mannheim Steamroller fan, especially their second christmas album which this song is from.
New favorite trick. Forwarding to the 0.618 section of a song and embracing the golden moment!
Okay! As a Hungarian I never expected Bartók to be mentioned in such matters! Thank you so much for sharing! I definetly learned something new today!
Many of us love us some Bartok.
Over 60 years ago, my mom taught me that all music is mathematical.
How old are you?
@@mosesgrag2195 65. Why?
@@BettyHorn over 60 years ago......
10:00 they did surgery on a grape
Lmfao
Or just fans of Diana Krall :)
Math in music I mean, it's there by definition, right? Octaves are doublings of frequency. We divide a piece into measures with so many beats per measure. Equal temperament 12-tone scales use the square root of 12...
Bach used math to quickly improvise - just about all of his pieces are simple themes where he used basic math rules to create variations on the fly. If he lived today he'd be a hiphop DJ, going to raves every evening to make a living. Back then he went to court with his fiddle. He did write a lot of his music down, but he didn't value what he wrote down because what mattered was the math he used to create the music. There's a famous story where he used a sheet of music to wrap a fish...
Heck y'all should do an ep on Bach's math. ^_^
One interesting point about that square root of 12: As you rightly say: only equal temperament scales. Pure intervals are always rational.
*It's twelfth of root of two.
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Exactly.
I studied classical guitar at university and the idea Bach would go to raves is so ridiculous. Learning Bach, listening to Bach and studying classically leads me to believe Bach would not only stay away from raves but he would look down on it because it is beneath being considered music or art.
Everything is mathematics though, we are just condensed vibrations
I think that without even counting at all some musicians intuitively anticipate and apply the number sequences and ruthyms and tones are less thought or calculated . I believe the most talent lies within someone who is both capable of the intuitive and the deliberate .
I felt the Phi she created. Great work. So talented.
I really appreciate the discussion on limitations and boundaries in a creative space. It is very freeing to have a structure to create within, and conversely, lacking that can feel overwhelming.
You two have such great chemistry, you're a pleasure to watch.
Ongoing Discovery 🎯💯☺
Nahre's genius becomes more apparent with every piece she writes. The Divine Keys?! C'mon, man! That's some Ravel level sheeee.
Lateralus, by TOOL is my favorite math metal song because they purposely used the Fibonacci Sequence to write it. I'm obsessed with the Golden Ratio.
They didn't purposely use it . Maynard said it was a complete accident look up his interview about it ..
@@katieb2098 no fuckingway! are you serious?! That's even BETTER! I'll go look for an interview about it right now.
The mix of science, numbers, nature, music, and the chemistry between people earned my subscription to this channel right this moment!!
Black
then
white are
all I see
in my infancy
Red and yellow then came to be,
reaching out to me
Lets me see
Hey
Wow
Cool find
Really tho
Mind if I join in?
Because I want to know the truth
Why would something like this dominate our human brains?
To be honest I don't like the idea of beauty constrained to a simple math
I prefer beauty to be free of such fixed numbers
It seems a tad draconian
Bit ironic, eh?
I'm sorry
Well then
Yeah
Bye
:(
Tool
Captain Deadpool hellya
@@Manas-co8wl Is Idea two syllables?
Gotta love you two! You have such a nice vibe together, it elevates the content even more!
I love the composition. It feels good, balanced, stimulating, confident!
I think the Fibonacci sequence is very cool and the music you made using it was beautiful. The composer you played early on seemed to have mastered it, his work was ethereal.
I think the golden ratio can be applied not only to music, but art, thought forms (for example expansion of a business model), word forms (like oratory/language skills), automotive design, architecture, engineering, and computer code, just to name a few. Great video!
That piece Nahre wrote is so cool. When it switched, I went like WOW
As a huge fan of Bartok, I already knew about the "phi" moment in the gigantic fugue that is movement 1 in "Music for Strings, Percussion, and Celesta," and how the measures leading up to that (and following it as well, if I recall) can be plausible divided into lengths corresponding to numbers in the Fibonacci sequence. But I did not know about the similar division in the solo xylophone[?] taps that begin a later movement. And I was very taken with Nahre's brief piece. As a novice composer I've been given more food for thought. Good job, guys. I'm subscribing.
Well done. As we listen further to "ancient" music that emerged from the forests, deserts, oceanic communities, I become increasingly curious as to how the communal Fibonacci experience is expressed, polyphonic singing of the Bayaka in Central Africa Republic , for instance, may well not be separated from the natural environment and is a direct expression of the primary relationship of the random and well organized development of Life. The "live" communal, shared performance in the natural environment of music is much needed today. And I fear that in our having separated ourselves from the natural environment, we are responding to the human condition as if in a hall of mirrors, reflecting the musical memes that have little to no relation to "reality". The very atoms of the natural environment quietly and discreetly display sounds that are imperceptible but for the remaining Song Birds, vibrant flora and fauna and their mortal sequences.
Superba piesa, muzica, text de suflet....unica interpretare...
Felicitari!
Daniel Luca!
Succes deplin, in creatie poetica, artistica si interpretare!
Multumiri!
💐 Paste Binecuvantat, Fericit!🙏💐
Those arpeggios sound really disordered but also have some sort of order that u can expect the next note of the melody. Hence I think why the golden ratio is so important is has just the right amount of order and disorder to make things beautiful. Really want to hear a modular synthesis version of those arpeggios!!
The strange arpeggio thing (pardon my naïevité of music lingo) is also very much her style. Check out her channel! She's incroyable!
Would love to hear Nahre’s piece in full
You can download all of our original songs at our SoundCloud
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@@SoundFieldPBS how can I find this
@@SoundFieldPBS Whereeee?? I NEED it hahah, it's splendid
It’s on SoundCloud on Sound Field’s page and the title is “The Divine Keys”
I LOVE THIS STUFF! On a spiritual level that transcends our current states and blends it with science! God bless you all!
Loved and seriously impressed by the piece you wrote and the phi knowledge thru the lense of Music
She is awesome! Very talented.
so the phi moment canT really be appreciated until you've experienced an entire performance
This is truly one of the best videos I have ever seen on so many levels. I love your collaborative composition!!
When I smile playing the Bass guitar and lovingly fret the notes while being grateful I Feel more love n Light .
Great point about limitations being a good thing when you are trying to be creative.
We were just talking about the Golden Ratio in one of my music theory classes! :O
This was incredibly interesting! Never thought about it in a musical context. Brilliant! You are both very talented!
Just landed on this video after looking up the Fibonacci spiral. LOVED IT. Subscribed. Looking forward to checking out the rest of your stuff.
I’ve also heard this ratio as “God’s Fingerprint”. As it is found trough nature dna the universe etc.
It's everything natural, and sometimes not
1.618033988749895 it's the answer to nature, DNA, the universe, everything.
Anthony P. Ramirez ll
Anthony - you are awake!
How to get that fingerprint on human-made designs... Can biomimicry do it?
@@himagnamukherjee9382 It's simply not. For one, the DNA things is wrong, because people fudge up the numbers to get the result to be phi. If you take the real measurements, the ratio is something like 1.78~, not phi. Also, more things in Nature follow different ratios than they do phi, so saying "everything" follow this magical rule is just a lie. Yeah, it appears in Nature, but so does quantities of other ratios that nobody cares about or pay attention to because they don't create cool looking spirals and patterns... The mystical status of phi as this "key" to the Universe or godly instrument is incredibly overdone. Any self-respecting mathematician will tell you as much.
Seeing the direction this channel is going, I'm impressed. I imagine sometime in the future you'd be doing episodes on genres and phenomenons around the world like comparing South Africa's Hip Hop origins with Kwaito vs US's Hip Hop Origins, and India's precise percussion and tones. This finna be litty. Thank You for this. Hope to somehow someway contribute to this amazing channel.
PS: I'm about to initiate a challenge to my fellow musicians and friends to make an EP based on the Golden Ratio.
Lol. I was already on it. I want my lyrics to follow it as well. Its a lot of fun
@@SarahMike147 the most enticing thing about this challenge for me is having the whole EP some how follow a sequence derived from the Fibonacci. I gotta say though this is fun as hell.
It makes me so happy to watch Nahre nerd out while explaining the music she wrote. i think i have a little crush now
I don't usually say this about these kinds of channels, but Nahre Sol is actually an amazing pianist/composer
Already hooked. Thanks, Matt, and everyone else from PBS Space Time!
Edit: Missed a few letters.
Almost 60 years ago my brother invented something he called "The Magic Sound." It was vocal training and sound systems based on the golden ratio. He wrote some music based on this. He is a theoretical physicist. He shared his knowledge with others and has never been given credit.
What was your brothers name?
@@poppelgaard The world may never know...
I notice it in nature everywhere. I hadnot thought of it with regards to sound. Although while studying flamenco in Spain there was a bird that lived in my courtyard who chirped out very flamenco ish rhythms. Amazing. Mesmerizing.
I am here because of It's Okay To Be Smart & now am here to stay. Awesome stuff....... Going to incorporate the golden ratio for my next album...... Calculator is now as important as my MIDI keyboard.
Love these new videos. The hosts have such chemistry between them. Anyone else shipping them?
Gaspard de la Nuit nah
Math is often referred to as the “language of science.” Interesting how music is written (so to speak) in math as well. Art and science are often viewed as being so different but they have more in common than most realize.
Really cool video guys 👍🏽👍🏽
Thanks for watching Jay!
This was such a great find. I felt so connected to your energies throughout the entire video and I was able to make some really strong connections between Astrology + the Golden Ratio. The planetary ruler of your rising sign is the energy that rules your entire chart; the way you view the world. As a Capricorn rising, ruled by Saturn--the planet of limitations and restrictions, I have a newfound love and understanding for boundaries and limitations. This is powerful. Thank you
I found you today. What an absolute gift. I've always been a fibonacci junkie so this makes my heart sing. Thank you. x
That would be the Fibonacci sequence in the natural harmonics of a string
'Golden' you guys. As a lover of Math and Art this was an immense joy to discover
You guys seem like so much fun! Thanks for the great video!
This entire video was such a pleasant experience. Ultimately lovely, great job.
OK. PBS Space Time sent me here. And I'm staying! Science and Music. That's my bag!
Lol same. Your the first person I've found with similar interests
Maths is everywhere. Facinating stuff. Thanks.
how did that tune go from cold to really lit really fast damn
Love the video! I'm having my son write a report of this for his band class.
Thank you!
I like learning and I love music so this is great. Now I understand why some pieces just feel right even if it's a type music that is less interesting most of the time.
I've been thinking heavily on this topic lately, nice to see a video on it
Yes, I agree. The music piece you arrived at sounds fantastic too.
This is Amazing. Love that little pice. This channel just became my new favourite thing in the world.
I noticed the golden ratio for the first time today... in Nahre's piece :P Can't wait for that album!!!
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loved this,, thanks "it's okay to be smart" for bringing me here!
My mind is officially blown! This is fabulous!! Thank you ❤️
She makes it sound so easy, it's off the chart. Kudos!
Math is music. Music is our innate unconscious mental/emotional manipulation of math. I love your mathematical (fibonacci) composition. It is a conscious manipulation of math to make beautiful music. Thanks!
Just like Leibniz said “Music is the pleasure the human mind experiences from counting without being aware that it is counting.”
A pine cone has a double spiral, one angled slightly more than the other often in Fibonacci sequence. The cone releases a winged seed and the seed has a double spiral, In the seed's DNA is a double helix or a double spiral. The branch that the cone grew out of has a double spiral and at every intersection an event occurs, a pine needle grows. When a tree splits in half a spiral is revealed from its growing pattern. Since noticing this I have never been able to see the tree without thinking of its divine Nature.
@@chaosordeal294 Google pinecone Fibonacci.
Trees are amazing to observe, a bit off-topic but have you also noticed how trees in winter resembles a human circulatory system, or an explosion of electricity out of the ground?
I don't know how I got here, but as a musician, painter, and math enthusiast, CZcams finally got the algorithm correct this time. I'm glad it did. Thanks! ♥️
Keep up the great work guys. Blessings from Serbia
Try the term 'constraint'.
Time is like a picture frame for music.
It's the window through which we experience the creation.
I'm beginning to think that human history also follows Phi.
I was expecting you to bring up Tool's album Lateralus!
Glad we were able to defy expectations!
Haha, @@SoundFieldPBS, figured you wouldn't go down that track and respect you for that. Awesome videos have been made about that song already. Love your videos as well. You guys are doing great!
@@balaenopteramusculus Tool is good too! Also we know they intentionally used the golden ratio, unlike Bartok!
@@SoundFieldPBS Although apparently Maynard felt a bit lame about it later on, haha .... But, oh well, who knows when he is being serious.
This comment has 42 likes, none else like it! Plz because 42 is the answer
Wow. Eye opening when its explained thru live piano & explanations. Ty
Nahre your music is amazing! Goosebumps all over! beautiful video thank you :))
What you guys were talking about at the end of the this video really got me thinking. Have you guys ever heard of the Oulipo artistic movement? It was all about creating art by imposing certain limitations or restraints on the creative process. For example, a French named Georges Perec author wrote a book called La Disparition, an entire novel that uses the letter E exactly 0 times, which is as hard in French as it is in English, being the most commonly used letter in French. It was even translated into English as "A Void" (which I'm sure was a special kind of torture for the translator! 😂)
This is going to be the best math class I have ever taken in my entire life! I wish you guys could be my teachers during my school years, you could have taught challenging subjects in math in an enjoyable way like no other with this open-mindedness and high-level interaction! Thank you so much for this celestial, philosophically sublime and enchantingly beautiful, mind-expanding episode! Big love and respect! I really liked Nahre’s original piece, Ravel-esque and unique at the same time! I’ll try to create something with this cool “Phi Moment” too! Amazing as always! ♥️🙏🙌🎶😊
Hey Bati! did you watch our episode on trap music? I'd be interested to hear your take on producing a trap beat.
Sound Field Sound Field Challenge accepted! 😃 I’ll send my take on Trap music! I hope you can check it! That episode was amazing as well and I grew up by listening to Outkast, T.I. and other ancestors of the genre, they were my childhood, literally. I will make a beat and send it to you but it might take a little longer, plus I am going to try composing a piece that is influenced by this golden ratio episode! Thanks so much! You are so cool guys!
@@Bati_ Can't wait to hear it! Post them on Soundcloud and we will repost!
That was AWESOME!! Loved how you played that piano piece in the end - well done!!
NAHRE!!!! We love your musical brilliance. Exciting piece you two........
6:17 Hello, good evening and welcome to the phi moment of the film!
It really was a pain to make.
That song was amazing. Wish I could hear the finished piece.
soundcloud.com/soundfieldpbs/the-divine-keys
they also did an extended jam thing :)) soundcloud.com/soundfieldpbs/fibonacci-jam
What a lovely video. Thank you both.
Thank u...as a musician and writer I know the ebb and flow of creativity...it’s not the song that’s difficult it’s how notes fit that is hard....u guys are brilliant and this ole man thanks u...kudos to u all!
Loved the composition! Truly a badass pianist!
Someone correct me if I'm wrong cause this is crazy. I liked the idea of the phi moments in music. It's true that a lot of great music has some dramatic change or climax somewhere between the middle and the end, but I was skeptical to think that they are determined by a mathematical equation. I tested out some popular songs. I liked the under pressure example, so the first song I tested was bohemian rhapsody by queen, often considered queens best, and one of the greatest songs of all time. 6.04min = 362.2sec, × 0.618 = 223.83 or 224sec, about 4.14min. Go listen to bohemian rhapsody and tell me what happens at 4.14! Epicness!
An absolutely brilliant composition. Bravo
Thank you, I learned so much. The composition is fantastically beautiful!!