Watchmen vs. One Punch Man: How To Destroy A Hero (Satire vs. Parody) - Wisecrack Edition
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“What do they have in common”
Me: they have a powerful bald man
He's also bored
Batman is so extra that Watchman had to cut him into three separate heros.
They are not based on Batman
@@silverdays2909
yes they are Ozy , Nightowl , and Roarcasch represent a part of Batman.
@@l0sts0ul89 The Quetion, Blue Beetle and Thunderbolt search them up
@@silverdays2909
I already know who they they are.
@@l0sts0ul89 Then I guess you would know that Alan Moore said he wanted to use them but DC told him no so he made up copys of them, look up the wiki for Watchmen
How to destroy a hero: Switch animation studios for the second season.
Can't be more accurate
It isnt the animation studios it was the director leaving that made all the good artists go away
I disagree its still a great show the animations wont change it
The animation was still good tho
@@dx315 the diminished quality of the 2nd season made it so much worse, the quality was garbage all around compared to the boundary pushing animation in season 1, the story was still great, as the story has already been written by much more competent writers in the manga
Send my regards to the editors who had to blur out Manhattans dong. They suffered, so that we might not.
Dan Jones I envy them
Dan Jones 😂😂😂
(Adopts a praying stance) We pray this day for those who had to pay for the sins we made...
So... still unsure about your sexuality uh?
Loki, Gamora, and Vision die
Hulk loses the ability to become Hulk
Thanos gets all the stones
Half of the world is gone
Spider-Man, Drax, Mantis, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Bucky, and Star Lord all turn into dust, as well as Nick Fury and Maria Hill the post credits scene
Hawkeye and Antman aren’t in the movie
Now you have suffered
A big reason why Watchmen and One Punch Man work is that they're fantastic on their own, regardless of being a satire or parody of something else.
Roman Jones Agree 100%. Since they're essentially making fun of their genre there is a sense of unpredictability at all times.
One Punch Man is not bad, but it'd be so much better if they stopped trying cram the hamfisted 'Greated Story Never Told' / 'Unappreciated Hero' tropes down our throats.
( tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheGreatestStoryNeverTold )
@@betatester03 It's because they see only what they want to see.
@@dx315 I was talking about the civilians and other heroes in One Punch Man, they see Saitama as a freeloader even when certain details indicate otherwise.
@@betatester03 i agree
Satire: Can you believe how stupidly over the top this is?
Parody: Isn't it great how crazily over the top this is?
i really like this
Watchmen isn't against superhero fiction as a whole. It's against the idea of "realistic" superheroes, because making that a reality would only ruin said heroes. The writer for Watchmen is responsible for reviving several neglected DC characters, and for writing one of the most notable Batman stories: "Batman: The Killing Joke". Watchmen was never meant to push a message that superhero fiction is bad, FFS it was published by DC comics. The message of Watchmen was that superheroes being real would ruin the very idea of them.
Good thing DC took this lesson to heart when they decided to direct their movies for the DCEU.
Fun factoid: The "Watchmen" characters were originally supposed to be the Charleston Comics characters that DC had just acquired (The Question, Blue Beetle, etc), but because the creator of those characters, Steve Ditko, was an Objectivist (and the characters also, by extension), which Alan Moore HATED, he was going to mock them out and kill them off. DC said "No way, we just bought all these characters." So Moore made satirical versions of the characters and gave them all serious personality issues and proceeded to kill half them off.
However, the parody didn't cut deep enough, and people came to love the characters as relatable yet different BECAUSE they were imperfect. He tried to make Rorschach the most deplorable character ever (hates gays and women, violent, psychotic, sadistic, deluded, ranted about liberals ruining everything, etc) but he's arguably one of the most popular characters in not just the book, but probably contemporary comic book fiction.
"Watchmen" was supposed to criticize the existence Objectivist characters in a medium where such a belief system supposedly had no place (The entire POINT of being a hero is selflessness and altruism), but instead it made it clear that such characters COULD work. And then actual Objectivists fail to see the satire and think the whole thing is being played straight (and love it!). Basically, it fails as satire because, ironically, it's done just too damn well!
@@EmperorSteele so he was hoisted by his own petard, jejejejeje.
At least Rebirth is a relaunch that takes to heart the fact that they all misunderstood Watchmen's message... At least, that's what Geoff Johns said Rebirth was all about.
Dude, "The Killing Joke" is itself a very "anti-Batman" story...
I think the most important part of Saitama's character is that he actually is a hero, even if it's just for fun. He won't kill humans, he tries to help people even if they're annoying. He's not so powerful that he's forgotten he's human
AnvilPro100 so you’re saying our soldiers, you know the ones that risks their lives for us everyday and have to kill in order to do so aren’t heroes?
Logan Gun I don't remember him saying anything about soldiers. I think hes talking about anime.
Logan Gun Amazing reading comprehension skills bruh
Allu true. Looking back I did take this conversation someplace it did not need to go. My apologies
He even will give up a chance at being popular to make sure someone he's cool with, that's also weaker than him gets shine
15:06 "It's a complicated relationship, mocking the things you love."
Be a teacher, or a father. It will come naturally.
Couldn't agree more
*Cough Cough* Piccolo.
*DOOODDGGEE*
Why not both?
a single tear
I disagree about mumen rider.
He is not the example of someone who doesn't have what it takes to be a hero and becouse of him lieing to himself he is getting hurt.
He is the example of a TRUE hero. He shows that the true hero is not the most powerful one, it is the person who has honest motivations and really wants to be a hero becouse a hero fights to defend other people. In One Punch Man there are many heroes that have what it takes to be a hero, and they are strong heroes, but they aren't TRUE heroes becouse they do it for the fame or for the money or both, so they don't really have what it takes to be a hero: A pure and honest motivation.
Mumen Rider is an incredibly good character becouse he shouts at our face that if you aren't gonna do something with an honest motivation, you can't be proud.
In One Puch Man there is a Rank system for heroes, the more powerfull you are, the highest your rank is, your motivations doesn't matter.
It is becouse of that why Mumen Rider says: "-I'm a Hero, like you Saitama" when he says that he wont laught becouse Mumen is rank C.
Mumen is the best fucking hero in the entire history. Fight me.
Its not just that. Mumen Rider is the one guy without super powers who will stand up against threats he can't hope to beat, when no one else will. Anyone in the shelter could have done what he did, but they weren't courageous enough to do it.
He managed to distract the Sea King long enough for Saitama to arrive before everyone got killed. Thats an achievement.
He gives the example of Saying No when it matters and facing the consequences head-on.
To give a real-life example-
People like Mumen Rider understand what the words "The Inauthenticity of the individual leads to the rise of Totalitarianism" mean...
Although i think mumen rider is my favorite in this series, he is literally the right person in the wrong place every time he is in scene
He's a hero, just not a *super* hero.
I hope he becomes One Kick Man so he and Saitama fight in an ultimate battle that tears the Universe apart from their most powerful kick and punch clashing.
but you're missing out the brilliance of mumen rider's character
he's got no super powers, but despite that he works as a hero
not just that, a c class hero (wich have it the worse, because they have to solve crimes weekly just to stay in)
but he has the personality, the motivation of a true hero
he's a hero because he can't help but have the need to save people
even when he was injured, he went out in the middle of a catastrophe just to find survivors and taking them to the shelter
he's a hero at heart
he does take it seriously, when most of the a, b, s class heroes don't and just want to make a benefit out of that
and he was also the only person to thank saitama
his character goes to show that is not the superpowers that make you a hero
He’s also ranked first in his class. Considering that he has no powers, that’s pretty impressive.
Wisecrack isn't wrong about Mumen Rider as being Krillinesque (I'm willing to bet we love them both for the same reasons), however I agree with you that he's also got a lot more thematic depth to him. I think the point he was making is that Saitama is so powerful that it makes one question why anyone else would even bother to be a hero. That's part of the essence of why it's a parody. Even the legwork you have to do to be an officially sanctioned hero is a pain in the ass and some characters live more like influencers than heroes. The answer to why anyone would bother is apparent to anyone who watches the show though, as you've pointed out, Mumen Rider's heroic not because he's strong but because he's ordinary and yet still chooses to face impossible situations with immense courage. This is a deeply human virtue, and he's a humanizing force in what's otherwise just a tale of farcically overpowered beings fighting each other. Making a good parody requires balance, making fun of the genre for the silly things and applauding the genre for the good things. One Punch Man mocks hero worship and glory whoring, while telling the audience that the important thing is to always be courageous even if -especially if- your situation looks hopeless. The whole theme of the show is basically that it's heroic to be the best version of yourself.
Christopher Corriveau I think you may have confused it with Mask’s reason for staying in A-Class rank 1. Mumen’s reason to stay is because he feels unworthy to move up. And he does have a point. Mumen’s strengths aren’t physical.
True. Most superheroes in OPM are just there for status and fame. While only a few handful actually do go out to help citizens.
yes thats what makes Batman awesome
Parody = laughing with them
Satire = lauphing at them
Darluk
...Yah. That's basically it.
while the first celebrates, the other criticizes. when one tries to do the other you get Shrek.
While this is nice and simple, it's simpler than the video, which is already a bit on the simplistic side. For example the video never specifically dives into the fact that parodies are almost always comedic while satire can be either comedic or dramatic. Watchmen might be "laughing at" superhero comics, to a certain extent, but the audience isn't asked to laugh along.
futurestoryteller of course not, that would make the writer's dick feel small.
Doc. Man.'s subject to the same paradox Yahweh and every other supposedly omnipotent and good being are:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then why is there evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
"And the Big Bang Theory is none of those things because fuck that show" -Jared
Finally someone gets it! Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who does.
You're not the only one
Hating on the Big Bang Theory has been the in thing for ages now.
Big Bang seems to be the normie take on what they think nerdom is like. It comes across as unintentional parody, much like the Pick-up community.
Amen!
theres also other channels talking about how bad it is. look up misogyny in big bang theory. my personal problem with it is that it takes nerd culture seriously but has not actually done any scientific research and progresses into some mid 20s drama. the jokes on them most of the times. so we can say that tbbt is a satire of itself. because fuck that show :)
one of the biggest things that one punch man does to kinda poke fun at other anime is the DBZ trope of "bigger hair=stronger" where Goku would get stronger the bigger his hair got, saitama has no hair at all and is super strong.
I mean in dbz the strongest villans are usually bald
I think you have the right Idea but went the wrong way with it. DBZ started a trend that protagonist in anime all have really huge hair. This is apparent in quite a few different superhero animes. One Punch Man aimed to flip that trope by having the main protagonist be bald. That is my thoughts, I am open to other ideas.
that dude Jiren is bald and way more powerful
Not...really? I mean look at ssg. And it wasn’t all the time it was goku defeating the villain. For cell it was gohan, and for buu, goku used ssj to beat him. Yea, at the time he was weaker, but my point is still valid. Really a better way to criticize dbz is to say that some characters are useless in power or useless In personality. An example is master Roshi having his perviness turned down due to global releases, although he is a great help sometimes.
The transformations in general. His allies and enimes always undergo a transformation in battle, signifying a drastic power increase. Only to be shut down by saitama in his base form. And signature moves also. Everyone has all these fancy names for signature moves, and saitama just says "multiple straight punches" in the most monotone voice ever haha.
So basically, Warner Brothers hired the director of Watchmen, who was excellent at transferring the satire within the Watchmen comics to the big screen, to direct and create the DC Superhero Universe. He ended up treating the actual superhero characters as their satirical versions (Superman has no regard for collateral damage and his Earth parents tell him not to give a f*** about being the all around good guy, Batman is all brute force and kills, and so on)...the DC Universe was doomed from the start...
I love watchmen, but trying to make the other superhero movies like that was a big mistake.
It worked with Batman, a vigilante who is not a hero at all, because he badly need deconstruction. It does not work with actual heroes. The more a Superhero actually is a hero, the less Synder's formula works. Which explains why it falls so flat with Superman.
XDevantX subversion rarely works when the main stream accepts the subversion and popularises it. It's why the dark knight is good and the new batman is ass.
I didn't think Watchmen movie was better than the book, and I knew that angle Snyder took wasn't gonna work with all of those movies, but he did em that way anyways!
Snyder is just a mediocre director. It's not as though Watchmen was a great movie and the DC movies were also great just with the wrong tone. Watchmen was very ok and Snyder's DC movies have been bad.
There's a mistake on the name of the writer of One Punch Man. "Untuk Pertama Kalinya" means "For the first time" in the Indonesian language; the actual author's pen name is "ONE". I think the mistake can be traced back by misquoting from an Indonesian forum post. "Untuk Pertama Kalinya, Author Manga “One-Punch Man”, ONE Tampil di Depan Publik" which is directly translated to "For the first time, ONE, the author of the manga "One-Punch Man, appeared in front of the public."
That explains it. I was thinking it didn't sound much like a Japanese name.
Yea what was that, really strange to see Bahasa, weird copypaste fail.
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Pls PIN this wisecrack
wisecrack thought his name is hajimete, hajimete means for the first time or untuk pertama kalinya in bahasa
You guys should do a what went wrong episode of Big Bang Theory.
Best idea I’ve heard all day :)
The Big Bang Theory was good in earlier season. IDK what happened
Wisecrack oooooo y’all Betta do the thang! I’d watch it! I mean I watch all y’all’s videos, but still!
Here you go.
It was made.
I thought it sucks from the beginning. They make characters to show the daily life of smart regular people but the characters cant even do some simple stuff. That is definitely not true. And the jokes were extremely bad as well.
It gets on my nerves when people praise story and themes of an anime adaptation and give the credit to the anime staff, the credit goes to the author, its like praising peter jackson for creating lord of the rings, give ONE some love
ONE is #1!
Obvious you are a writer, hence your buttons got pushed.
fitnesspoint2006
Lmao nigga u gay
fitnesspoint2006
He's someone who wants the actual creator to get their deserved credit.
Yeah well the people who actually bring this stuff to life deserve praise too.
"Saitama just did some push ups" try 100 push ups, sit ups, squats and a 10k every day and he's still training although I don't know why but I guess he's just bored.
He a boring character
According to one guy here on youtube the actual hardest thing from this list is 10 kilometers run every day. Everything else is pretty much cakewalk if you've got time and affort to spare.
@@ziziorens348 True facts: I lost 30+ lbs and put on a decent amount of muscle doing the OPM workout for a year, minus the 10k run. It's totally doable, and I actually ended up increasing it after a few months and adding in free weights and pull-ups because it got too easy on its own. A daily 10k run, though, I still balk at that. I did walk about 5 miles a day, but even at my most fit, the thought of running that distance makes my lungs hurt.
None of that is actually that hard. The run sounds a little tough, but I think that that's mainly due to the motivation it would take to get out and start.
I used to run 5 miles a day. It took about an hour. The hardest part is building up to it.
Satire: "This is how it's done, and do you see how awful it is?"
Parody: "Hey, this isn't how it's done! Do you see how funny this is?"
Thanks for explaining the difference
That hurted me, but deserves a like...
Rip 69
Except parody takes the good parts of a genre and makes fun of or subverts the rest of it.
I know ur profile pic…
Cowboy bebop please Jared
This needs to happen
hmmm check out cowboy bebop the meaning of nothing
If they are doing One Punch Man, might as well do POP TEAM EPIC as well
Existancialism . Over.?!
I thought they already did that one, albeit by extension from something else.
Still one of the best examples of parody: Sword Art Online Abridged by Something Witty Entertainment.
Agreed. One of the very best parodies I’ve seen, regardless of medium or genre.
Even tho they agree that SAO is shit, they wholly believe that there's something good beneath its skin. Like almost all of us did. A wasted potential that is
@@aivreescend7945 That statement sums it up it pretty well.
Or yugi oh the abridged series
A Slap on Titan is great too. Those Titans are hilarius
Alan Moore said that he feels guilty for making Watchmen such a dark satire of the classic superhero genre and for all the "dark" superhero stories trend that came afterwards because of Watchmen. If Im not mistaken during the 90s he worked with Image to make more classic Superman-like comics to kinda redeem himself.
Alan Moore is bitching because adults see/read his comics and movies adpatitons, he is brilliant but weird
And they are both bald
The ultimate power we both missed.
Sooo... does this mean that the Watchmen characters/story/universe being folded into DC is like spitting in the face of Watchmen's writer?
zennou11 yes
A quote from an Alan Moore interview: "But no, I wasn’t going to take the rights back at this stage after they had pretty much, in my opinion, raped what I had thought to be a pretty decent work of art. I didn’t want them throwing me back the spent and exhausted carcass of my work and certainly not under terms that would apparently allow them to go on producing witless sequels and prequels ad infinitum."
www.bleedingcool.com/2017/11/22/alan-moore-talked-dc-comics-watchmen-sequels-back-2010/
Yes and no. Doomsday Clock has so far criticized the the Watchmen and the current state of DC comics. On the Watchmen's side, Ozmandious's hypocritical vision of a peaceful world is shattered when it's revealed that he was responsible for the 3 million deaths in New York, and the world descends into chaos, leaving it in a worse state than before. Getting meta on DC's side of things, Dr. Manhattan's actions seem to be criticizing the dark, gritty tone they have had over the years, as well as the fragile concept of time and continuity in DC by meddling with it to remove some characters, and bring back some that shouldn't be there, thus displaying how unstable comic lore is.
zennou11. Not really, the only reason Watchmen wasnt already within the DC fold was because DC didnt want to use established characters for such a radical story.
Is that happening?
How did Wisecrack start..?
Witically from what I remember it was all about that thug notes, I miss thug notes
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Rorschach - Question
Night Owl - Blue Beetle
Dr. Manhattan - Captain Atom
Aside from all of the everything awesome about these shows I think my favorite thing has to be the stock punching and slamming sounds that are inserted.
I'm loving these!
12:59 wait why is the writer called untuk something something, the picture you used is wrong as well, that’s yusuke murata, he’s the guy who redrew the original one punch man webcomic actually written and drawn by ONE (that’s his screen name)
atenahena i think they mistake it from reading an article from indonesia
even so they have the wrong guy for the writer
yeah..that's the wrong guy. It's hard to find ONE's face online but someone found it and posted it on MAL. myanimelist.net/people/16993/ONE
but its on mal? i assume its a pretty big website
That phrase means for the first time in Malay haha I was like wtf jared
Great episode. Best part though? That goes to "Big Bang Theory is none of these things because fuck that show." Fuck that show indeed.
Great episode. Best part though? That goes to "Big Bang Theory is none of these things because fuck that show." Fuck that show indeed.
Love this conversation.
I'd just say that I think the truth in Watchmen is about the nature of the human condition as being dark and unchanging first and then a critique of the super hero genre. I believe what Watchmen is really saying, is that people don't change when you put a costume on, give them a stylized personality, or god-like super powers. If anything they help to either reflect, and magnify or compound what ever human flaws already exist. It's secondary goal is to criticize the notion that Super Hero's would actually change anything; a sort of beautiful philosophical irony, because we can establish that a being like Dr. Manhattan could win a war single handily creating vast changes in political infrastructure globally, but ultimately would do, or could do nothing to change the intangible or perceivably abstract condition of the heart which is really the source of reality. Everything else is actually a superficial illusion: fame, fortune, or nuclear power.
I think One Punch Man says the same thing by getting to the point of reaching for nuclear power, which is power for power sake, and it's ability to control all possible outcomes, which is both the Villain's journey, and the misguided Hero's journey as well and showing it's powerlessness to have any intrinsic or lasting meaning. It does this by pointing out that intrinsic value is in the journey, and that no one objective goal should consume or replace the real truth of the human existential experience. Because One Punch Man/Saitama has achieved that goal, like Dr. Manhattan, and shows that, that power can be an obstacle, something counterintuitive, which disconnects them from who, and what they really are.
Again, who or what are we? It's not our power; that's for sure.
I have never heard of you or seen this channel before and i gotta say, i love the content. I feel like after watching this, there is an entirely new light on OPM and Watchmen for me and if i now go back and watch it, it'll be a completely new experience for me. Thank you!
Great video guys! Now I truly know the difference between satire and parody!
Whatever happened to 8-bit philosophy? Please bring it back
Brendan Murphy my favourite series tbh
please!
They said those videos took too much effort to make and they weren’t getting enough views on them, so for now it’s retired :(
How about Thug Notes?
dessieangel1021 Love Thug Notes!
You guys always do the best analyses.
you guys are clever az hell and i can tell you put alot of work in this. THANK YOU !!
💀⌚ Still waiting for "The philosophy of the dude"
Captain Deadpool we all are bud
From Guilty Gear?
screen prism has a good video talking about the philosophy of the dude czcams.com/video/WJ726Wyc3Qw/video.html
Captain Deadpool AKA the philosophy of the big Lebowski
That’s just like your opinion msn
I think the massive popularity of critical entertainment (satire, parody, hipster ironic cache,) is just that we are at a weird point in western civilization where the conquering is over and we now have to be introspective. If we use art as a way to look at it, we make bad art now, but good criticisms of our past accomplishments.
On the critical end, we have shows like OPM, Rick and Morty, Futurama, Deadpool, American Psycho, and Fight Club, that hold a mirror up to society. Each of them is biting, but it is high quality. We are good at self-criticism, and we fucking love it.
From the genuine side, we get very little. Authentic storytelling and art are almost laughed at when was the last time anyone went to a modern art museum and said, ""wow that's beautiful." Ennui is the sentiment right now and post-modernism is its expression. No more classical art where we depict ideal, no more modern art where anything can be made into art, everything is art now so nothing is.
kucanusa
Anohana, a place further than the universe, sound euphonium, March comes like a lion, fma/brotherhood, welcome to the nhk.
All very genuine and authentic pieces of media..
kucanusa yes, we need more sincere, genuine stories that inspire, and don't mock the genre their in, which is why I don't like Thor Ragnarok, it's not genuine or sincere about the source material
I think people are getting more turned off of sincere material because of how heavy handed and poorly done it often is. While the works that might be good don't get enough attention, or are too uninteresting for a casual viewer to check out. Not to mention that people are becoming more aware of just how much bullshit other human beings spout thanks to the internet, so they are becoming more cynical of what anyone has to say. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, it's just unfortunate that we have so much reason to be cynical.
Michael Indiano Those being anime, I wonder if it comes from Japan being more self-assured, than the West. BTW great taste in anime.
kucanusa You probably hit the nail on the head. Japan tends to not give a fuck what anyone other than Japan thinks of its media.
The way I see watchmen is that it's not the power it's the character of the hero that's important. Ozymandias is so devoted to his ideals that he looses sight of his humanity and becomes a villain. Rorschach is so devoted to his ideals that he can't change when it's needed to do good. Dr. Manhattan is too far removed from humanity that he can't relate. But Night Owl is just a decent human being who cares for people. In fact Ozymandias ridicules him for it. But in the end Ozymandias, and Rorschach are dead, Dr. Manhattan leaves, and Night owl is still there. So it deconstructs superheros on one level, but reaffirms them on another.
Agreed, its almost his optimistic humanity that helped him stay alive.
Ozymandias is alive bro...but good statement as well👍
Ozymandias survives throughout the entire comic, but is left with a vague answer from Doctor Manhattan about whether his entire plan for his ideal "utopia" succeeds or not.
the richguy who is over powered and is only surpassed by doctor Manhattan?? when you are able to out smart a being that knows everything even for a second and kick everyone buts thats over powered and he is also rich the guy who sets up the bomb to pin the crime on the blue over powered other guy..
yeah, I still love his response of "nothing ever ends", leaving Veidt in this horrible sense of doubt where he might have killed millions to do nothing more than buy time, that in the end he bragged about how the heroes victories meant nothing in the grand scheme, and yet the same could be said of his plan given enough time
Amazing video bro!
Make more like these
Arpit Das AMEN!
Yes it is fantastic. One of the best so far
How DARE you talk trash about Leprechaun 3?!
It is filled with genius humor, like such as...
"There was an old man of Madras
Whose balls were made of fine brass.
So in stormy weather, they both clanged together
... And sparks flew out of his arse!!"
Gold... absolute gold.
watchmen also criticizes itself, and the notion that people want superheroes to be super realistic. you dont want that because it will suck for the rest of us, all the heroes in watchmen are supposed to be looked at in disgust and as a warning, thing that the movie failed to show and just made us root for an edgier batman.
The comic "The Boys" is a more scary version of "what if real people, anyone, gets power?" than watchmen
RIP Warschak
@@NickCTorres R.I.P wrong. The message isnt what if evil people get power. Its 'what if superheroes were actually real? How much 'good' would these heros be' shown how they basically just kill for no problem and have other problems like homophobia and physiological issues. Spoilers it wasnt just roarshach who was a homophobe he was just the main one
@@angelicreaper6061 starting your response with wrong makes you sound like a total asshole. Also the boys is very much about how the superheroes are brought up that makes them super fucked up people. Which I believe is Garth Ennis' way of dramticising many peoples upbringings of constantly wanting to be the best because you are told to be and how this makes you lose sight of how to treat your fellow man. He has a very interesting way of taking things to the extreme. Like how in preacher during the Grandma story arc he is making an analogy of how Catholicism beats its followers into submission while "preaching" love. When you are shown no love while serving it and instead are made a slave to its rules, almost the exact opposite of love.
The movie could have been done with better execution. Although I like the cinematographic themes involved and the dark 2009 feeling involved it didn't feel like the various graphic novels surrounding it.
Hopefully the upcoming HBO series gets it right. But one thing you can't go wrong with is the characters. They are just too distinct and even the worst director will still have the right brain to cast the correct actors for the jobs just because of how distinct they are
Man this makes me want a Philosophy of Puella Magi Madoka Magica video all the more.
You guys are awesome, keep up the good work!
Thank you for putting Big Bang Theory where it belongs. The Garbage.
awww look at the edgy children who dislike a popular sitcom.
amen
awww look at the edgy commenter hanging out with people he looks down on as if he's better and more mature...
Lol
What everybody seems to forget is that, while it did function as a satire of all of comics, Watchmen was intended to satirize specifically Steve Ditko’s Charlton Comics heroes.
Rorschach = The Question
Nite Owl = The Blue Beetle
The Comedian = Peacemaker
Silk Spectre = Nightshade
Ozymandias = Thunderbolt
Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom
This is because Alan Moore was REEEEEEALLY against Steve Ditko and his characters for their explicitly objectivist politics.
Which is what makes it all the stranger that Zach Snyder liked it so much, as he is a self-proclaimed objectivist, and strives to one day make the definitive film adaptation of Ayn Rand’s The Fountainhead.
What’s that? Zach Snyder missed the point? NEVER!
The One and Only Michael McCormick yeah, that’s why Rorschach was killed at the end of the story, he was literally the embodiment of objectivism thought
Phreaker1997 He was also FUCKING REPREHENSIBLE.
It’s kind of hilarious how much Moore hated The Question out of all of them.
He portrayed Ditko’s “beat reporter who tells you the news you don’t want to hear” who dons a mask and “staggers criminals with the sheer presence of his staunch moral objectivity” as a filthy, bigoted, sexually stunted psychopath who gets off on violence and thinks he’s better than everyone else.
The One and Only Michael McCormick This explains why Moore hated the film adaptation so much. Then again, he’s pretty much hated all adaptations of his work. Would be nice to see a future Moore adaptation not helmed by a total hack.
cynthmcgpoet Or not, as many of his stories kind of work best as comics.
The One and Only Michael McCormick I
Great vid!
13:00 "untuk pertama kalinya" means "for the first time" in indonesian, I am sure the writer called "ONE" but i don't know his real name tho.
But Rorschach was based on the DC hero "The Question". When Miller was first making the story for DC, it was literally the character he was using and just changed the name.
These comments are so annoying. They already know Rorschach is not literally Batman. They know all the characters are not _literally_ Batman, or rather literally based on Batman, the only thing they don't know is the real distinction between the words they spend nearly 20 minutes distinguishing.
Love it!
Specialty the ending!
I love you guys. I wish i had the mindset you all have for evaluating things. Till then I'll just keep watching your vids haha
excellent analysis!
The Philosophy of Parasyte? There could be a good exploration of Richard Dawkins’ selfish gene concept. (which I think was mentioned in a previous video once) Not to mention anything related to either the existence of or illusion of altruism.
The OP of Parasyte even talked about Maslow's Hierarchy of Need.
God damn, look at Dr. Manhattan's triceps
This examination just makes me love Watchmen even more, got a tattoo and live in the same town as the creator. We've talked about magic and philosophy, this video helps me understand myself more too so great job!
I love both of these series.
Looks like we are getting Philosophy of The Bing Bang Theory soon!
but as a wise man once said ... "f*** tthat show :P"
it goeth thusly: a good show was made from a simple concept and hard work, until the show began to be rewarded even more for putting in less work, and has now become a giant swollen zombie which, like zombies and Deadpool, everyone still watches even though they have heard all of the jokes and nothing will ever change.
You think it'll be a "What Went Wrong?" video essay?
@4:13 "Hairless wonders"...fairly, a great description of these two characters
That ending though. _Blazing Saddles_ is not a good example. It's a parody of westerns, sure, but it's also a satire of the society that created it and certain attitudes it espoused.
Great video as always!
Would love to see y’all cover Venture Bros.
The more anime content on this channel, the better. ♥️
Also, could you guys do The Philosophy of Cowboy Bebop for its 20th anniversary this year? Thanks!
The most interesting thing about that show is the music. I say that as a fan of the show, not a hater.
So far, the best on the philosophy of cowboy bebop I've found is this czcams.com/video/lkXFBPGZpTM/video.html
Although, a wisecrack video on it would be pretty epic too
Amen to that been telling Jared for 3 months now
Going even trying to being the first to comment on the new videos to be super annoying and get as many likes
Even though I know he see them and prefers to like other commmets
WRONG! Anime is always bad
Amen to that
Zack Snyder is indeed a visionary!
He managed to do a copy and paste of almost all of the source material without any of it's subtext!
If only he could've done that with Man of Steel and Justice League
lmao when people say it's his best film i agree - he literally turned the comic book panels into a live action motion picture but replaced everything intelligent with more gratuitous violence and sex because "audiences wouldn't get it". The source material was just so good that even he couldn't ruin it by sticking almost exactly to the main story.
disagree
He made Superman a maguffin. Instead of a chill dude hero.
He made Batman an edgy midlife crisis, even though we did get Ledger's greatest act.
He made Green Lantern... Whatever the hell that was.
He can't decide who is Flash.
He gutted Cyborg's backstory.
Ignored Hawkgirl's existence.
And made the League this weird, "Avengers using Airbnb in old factories" despite having the choice between a space ship, space station, caves, towers, or city hall.
Well, at least he made Aquaman useful.
300 actually turned out really good, but that's about it.
God damn why are your videos so good
This video is like the foundation for the watchmen, when I tried to watch that movie the first time I bailed half way through the movie, it shows a completely different reality behind the superhero gimmick, it helped me understand the movie and enjoy it. Thank you very much.
You should do a video of:
Avatar (TLAB &LoK)
Samurai Jack
Persona series
George Carlin
Kingdom Hearts (good luck with that one)
Cowboy Bebop
Ryne Green Avatar has so much to offer Im shocked they haven't taclecked that yet
Gabriela Gonçalves indeed
I think an honest critical analysis of Samurai Jack would tear its final season apart. So disappointing.
futurestoryteller I loved the final season. The finale was rush but the rest was amazing
Wisecrak can you do a video on Jojos bizzare adventure?
they did before
zero I can’t find it :(
zero No they didn't
They could do a video about fate, and how it is used in the series. Or the moral ethics of the characters, like Funny Valentine
Veirno ye
Great analysis.
I love all the punch sound effects in the watchmen bits
Actually, Night Owl was based off of Blue Beetle, Ozymandias was based off of Thunderbolt, and Rorschach was based off of The Question. Not Batman. Still, good video!
Also throw in Dr Manhattan being based off of Captain Atom
Well batman is more recognizable
urahara64360
And more interesting.
Props to the true comic nerds, but who even knows who those characters are?
I've literally already forgotten their names.
Tony Campbell that's a very limited perspective. You can't say Batman is more interesting without knowing about the others.
Those are the characters they were initially going to use but those characters are still a commentary on the characters of batman and superman
Thank you for using the original japanese dub on the anime clips.
oktchau dub sucks
Not necessarily
Fucking stop. I listen to these videos while I drive so I can't understand what's being said.
OMG!!! "OH, BOO HOO! IT'S NOT IN MY LANGUAGE~!" Calm down. Enjoy the original voice acting. Watch it with subtitles. :).
It's their choice. It's such a picky criticism. We were praising their creative choice to use original dubs. Chill!
I love the “All you need is kill” panel in this video. One of my favorite books ever written.
i love it when people actualy make the way to understand words and too use them correctly , this gives speech meaning and not just a lot of exchangable hollow phrases
The moment you guys started explaining parody you guys briefly mentioned deconstruction, which leads me to ask this: could there be a Wisecrack episode on Deconstruction with Puella Magi Madoka Magica?
Philosophy of Watchmen 2019.
When it's finished anyways.
Not gonna happen now I guess.
Damn that was a great video.
Nice video, thought it would be a waste of time but it was actually pretty interesting. Good job.
I loved the last 10 seconds
14:22 ironic to me it had complete opposite massage, and its about standing up to what oyu believe in and what oyu want no mater the ads or the possibility of sickness for your own self and should even if oyu get serious hurt in the process, it also shows the most epic quality of being human, heroic standing for your ideals and integrity and having faith in oneself. Mumen Rider is one of the heroes most touched me and gave me even motivation at times.
M Balazs that's not the opposite message tho
Dude... please... everytime you put "oyu" it just made me think of hot water.. T_T
@@brandonhenderson9164 konosuba??
Mumen Rider gives the example of Saying No when it matters and facing the consequences and the Adventures head-on.
To give a Real-life comparison-
I think People like him understand what the words "Inauthenticity of the individual leads to the rise of Totalitarianism" truly mean in relation to the concept of "The Individuals Responsibility towards Truth, and in general"...
To be blunt, if Mumen Rider lived in a country where Ideologies like Nazism /& Communism held moral high ground, He would probably die, and at the hands of someone among millions of ordinary people like us who lie to themselves in those circumstances.
In my eyes, Mumen Rider is *A* true Hero...
I liked the video, really good explanation, Now I am subbing simply because what you said about the Big Bang Theory. Totally agree with you on that one... :D
I think this is why I love watchmen so much. I love that people will put so much faith in an ultimately self-destructive end just to justify their own means. Amazing work here.
dude, the author of One Punch Man is ONE, not Untuk Pertama Kalinya. Your intern mistake a title in Indonesian Article as his name, while it translates as "for the first time"
WKWK I was so confused when I saw it.
btw it's yusuke murata's pic, not ONE
YES i juga confuse like what
Still find it funny One Punch Man parodies Dragon Ball, something that was a parody which did change the genre already. It's like a cycle!
But One Punch Man was funny
It very much parodies the entire shonen genre (that DBZ essentially pioneered), of tough but lowly main characters that gradually but inevitably grow ever stronger, progressing and developing as a character to defeat anything against all odds. It asks the question, "What if the main character was already at the literal top, and there is no progression? What if he was the literal embodiment of plot armour, and the "Mine is as strong as yours but times ten +1" defence that school kids discussing fiction use." It explores if it's possible to even tell an enjoyable story around such an utterly ridiculous character.
And it just so turns out that it actually is possible, and it's damned hilarious to boot.
Dragon Ball was a parody, Dragon ball Z, GT, and S were serious
Almost commented on your use of Madoka at 17:07 being curious. I thought you were lumping it in with the three anime pictured above, but then I realized the "expand upon it" was said in reference to the examples below. Glad I rewatched it! You should do a Madoka episode!
Ur work is great! plz do Over the garden wall
how do i double subscribe...@#$% thebigbangtheory
*sigh* The Watchmen aren't versions of the Justice League. Like. AT ALL. When DC ate a few older comic book companies they absorbed their cast into DC. Crazy McBeardo decided he wanted to do a deconstruction of Superheroes using these new to DC characters (Captain Atom turns into Dr. Manhattan, The Question turns into Rorschach, Blue Bettle is Nite Owl(with a dash of Batman I'll give you that)). DC found out he wanted to basically write a fatalistic murderfest and didn't want these characters dead/attached to such a project so he had to make up new characters.
Basically saying Batman 1, 2 and 3... is inaccurate and lazy.
thank you. this guy didnt do dick for research on the watchmen side.
You understand that this changes nothing, right? He was still using these characters to deconstruct superheroes as a whole which includes characters from the Justice League like Batman and Superman. Calling them Batman 1, 2 and 3 is completely accurate because that's what Alan Moore was actually going for.
Okay, but what you said doesn't change anything. They still represent those same heroic archetypes and correcting who the character is based on doesn't change the intent of the story or the author. Allen Moore wanted to deconstruct and destroy superheroes, and he did, regardless of if Night Owl is Blue Beetle or Batman.
Besides, most of those characters you listed were just knock offs of DC characters that DC had just bought out anyway. They may as well be the Justice League.
WOW an akaji reference !!You just earned my like
Great analysis of the difference between satire and parody, Jared. Also, regarding parody, if you want to see how parody done correctly can actually enhance the source material, give TeamFourStar's 10-year long reign of parodying DBZ a watch. Even the voice actors and Funimation staff of DBZ have given mad props to the talent of the TFS team and their creative brilliance. Moreover, the real irony of this, is that their parody series has inspired numerous other talented creators to dub other animes as well and has allowed fans of the series to re-watch shows and cut-out hundreds of hours of filler by getting the main points of the story and character development via parody. Gotta love it!
Also, 100% agree FUCK BIG BANG THEORY!!!!!
Hey wisecrck, "untuk pertama kalinya" means "for the first time" in indonesian. One punch man creator is nicknamed ONE
It seems you mistranslate this article titled "for the first time, one punch man creator show his face!" And thought "for the first time" was his name :D
Plus they assumed he was Indonesian. They should at least know what country the author is from.
plus: the article was fake to begin with. they even used the picture from it, which shows not ONE but yusuke murata :D
Hollywood typically uses deconstruction not as a means of showing any flaws in a concept or genre, but clearly as a means of showing their disdain for it. I believe one of the reasons Watchmen happened to come out as well as it did was because they didn't fully understand what Alan Moore was doing. As a result they treated it as just another superhero film.
THe reason for why the Watchmen move came out how it did was because Zack Snyder is a hard-line objectivist, an ideology completely antithetical to the book's original message. The message of the book was, "Superheroes in the real world, especially with all of these nukes, would be extraordinarily dangerous". Hell, both portrayals of Rorschach prove my point. THe book portrays Rorschach as a filthy, homophobic, misogynistic sociopath. The movie sands down all the bad stuff about him and portrays him as a bad ass.
It... really does not do that. Movie Roschach is also an asshole and just as dangerous as his comic book counterpart. He does the same misogynistic sociopathic rants at the beginning of the movie and eats cold beans out of a can like the filthy tramp he is.
I agree. I call it "accidentally subtle and nuanced"
Rotciv I disagree; I think that the message, imagery and nuance of the film was highly deliberate, especially given that its ending is far more plausible than the ridiculous trash of the comic’s giant alien squid.
I mean he still is all those, and yet he still has some "redeeming" qualities that make him a badass anti hero.
I actually LOL'd at the line about Big Bang Theory. Well said, Jared of Eternal Technological Torment!
Very much enjoyed that unprovoked and very accurate sick burn on The Big Bang Theory at the end there hahaha
Are we gonna act like Gohan isn't the one who beat Cell
Nathan Adeleye I mean, he did the most damage and got the finishing blow, but...
-vegeta was the distraction for gohan to give the final push
-goku was right to begin with, sacrificed himself, and convinced gohan to keep going
-hercule lobbed 16's head
-cell killed 16
If none of that happened gohan would've either lost the beam battle from lack of confidence, died before going ssj2, or get blown up with earth
What are yyou talking about? Who's this Gohan yyou speak off? Everyone knows Mr. Satan saved us from Cell
@@casuallectures2655 erm
*shrugs* idk what to tell you, no actually major canon villain was taken out by 1 dude alone
It's still the exception, not the rule.
Wow someone that actually used subs in their clips, well done.
Haha, the random BBT jab at the end was hilarious.
Ending of video: BRILLIANT.
2:11 to skip the advert
Thank you. Nobody should be promoting this kind of mobile game shit.
Yeah and it'd be hella sad if no one even downloads the game.
Wait, they don't even cite the correct sources for the Watchmen!? So much for research.
Rorschach = The Question.
Night Owl = Blue Beetle (Ted Kord).
Silk Specter = Nightshade.
Ozymandias = Thunderbolt.
Dr. Manhattan = Captain Atom.
i thought the same thing. he just calls everyone batman lmao
Came here for this! Thank you!
Wait. Silk Spectre I & II is Black Canary I & II, not Nightshade . . . .
I think he hardly needs source materials to see their thematic parallels here. The costume of gadgetery of Nite Owl, the dark brooding detective antihero nature of Rorschach (albeit exaggerated more so), and "manipulating the other superheroes" type of Ozymandias are pretty much Batman's archetype. Doctor Manhattan's parallel of Supes can be viewed of pretty much what is said in this video.
Heck, even most of the DC characters you are citing are to a degree inspired by these iconic duo akin to Shazam.
Also, I had to google wherever you got Ozymandias-Thunderbolt and Silk Specter-Nightshade parallel, cause if it's DC/Charlton then I don't know what you're talking about. The former is if anyone else, Lex Luthor if he was always heroic, and the latter is as someone said, Black Canary.
In this case, I suggest *you* check your sources.
Sharil Shahed at the time batman wasn't really dark and brooding.
The end absolutely killed me!!
I haven't watched watchman, but thanks for the basic clarification. Educational.