Is The US Really A Meritocracy?

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  • čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
  • One of the most common misconceptions about US society is that we live under a perfectly fair, egalitarian system which rewards those who have intelligence and a strong work ethic. This is the myth of American meritocracy. In this episode, we'll explore why the US is not a true meritocracy, and why we shouldn't want to live in one regardless.
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  • @lastnamefirstname2390
    @lastnamefirstname2390 Před 3 lety +1544

    I love that you admit you would fail in a meritocracy. Most people can't be that brutally honest with themselves. It shows amazing self awareness. Despite that, you have a loyal following and have become successful, while doing something that's good for society. I think this is a wonderful example of capitalist conditioning being harmful. It stops you from doing the things you love and making a difference.

    • @sivuyilemtsi9840
      @sivuyilemtsi9840 Před 3 lety +79

      That's why I follow him. He's not arrogant about the fact that he comes from a privilaged background, rather he's very appreciative and humble about it.

    • @choronos
      @choronos Před 3 lety +70

      I would not do well in a meritocracy. I have anxiety and depression, and I suspect something else is going on that hasn't been diagnosed (ADHD? I don't know). I feel smothered and oppressed by the current economic system. All I want is to do a job that doesn't crush my soul into dust and make enough money to live without fear of destitution should an unexpected event occur (car wreck, health issue, etc). All that said, I could SURVIVE in a meritocracy. I can force myself to have the appearance and behavior of a "normal" person, I can perform the tasks at a job, however draining it is for me. But what are disabled people to do in such a system? I hate that libertarian types who preach free market economics and meritocracy never consider the millions of disabled people, many of whom cannot work at all. I always think of them when people start throwing the idea of a meritocracy around.

    • @phillemon7664
      @phillemon7664 Před 3 lety +45

      Very few people would actually survive in a true meritocracy as it is social Darwinist in nature and is designed to cull off the undesirable. I sure know I wouldn’t survive a year in one, that would be literal hell or heaven? (Some interpretations of heaven only the highest of efforts are rewarded by the system and given access to heaven) Meritocracy is not fit for humanity as it would only cause it to self destruct.

    • @Krystalmyth
      @Krystalmyth Před 3 lety +7

      @@choronos Adult adhd is seriously underdiagnosed. Found out I had it. Had serious addiction issues. I was self-medicating for adhd. I managed to get clean, only after this discovery. Considering Americans addiction issues especially to stimulants, I would suggest looking into your own patterns and seeing if this is something relatable for you. Because it gets harder to stay motivated in fixing the issue as you get older.

    • @Krystalmyth
      @Krystalmyth Před 3 lety +1

      @@phillemon7664 You'd end up with city plates in the sky like in Alita, FF7 or Elysium.

  • @emilydarkness7438
    @emilydarkness7438 Před 3 lety +4554

    It's fascinating how those born into wealth and power seem to think they've earned everything themselves.

    • @moisesrosario9716
      @moisesrosario9716 Před 3 lety +331

      also they seem to live in a bubble disconnected from reality

    • @osl5686
      @osl5686 Před 3 lety +71

      They practiced for / believed in the intelligence tests.

    • @thewhizbang
      @thewhizbang Před 3 lety +80

      Yup and they’ll defend that till their last breath...

    • @LetMeEatDem
      @LetMeEatDem Před 3 lety +133

      Hence the term “entitlement”

    • @Yellow.1844
      @Yellow.1844 Před 3 lety +66

      Theyre so delusional

  • @gwendolynsnyder463
    @gwendolynsnyder463 Před 3 lety +2023

    What's considering classy if you're rich, but trashy if you're poor?
    Receiving money from the government.

    • @rickeybernard8156
      @rickeybernard8156 Před 3 lety +101

      That was 🔥 can't lie.

    • @isidoreaerys8745
      @isidoreaerys8745 Před 3 lety +66

      Cocaine/Crack

    • @ThePunter209
      @ThePunter209 Před 3 lety +72

      Lack of possessions. For the rich, it's minimalistic philosophy. A poor person without possessions is just another ghost to avoid.

    • @seybertooth9282
      @seybertooth9282 Před 3 lety +76

      Yeah, it's only "socialism" when poor people get the handout.

    • @hirozzayz8164
      @hirozzayz8164 Před 3 lety +2

      That's true af

  • @donchristie420
    @donchristie420 Před 3 lety +586

    Man raised by wolves: “ I’m self made”
    Wolves: wtf

    • @rickeybernard8156
      @rickeybernard8156 Před 3 lety +15

      Y'all killing it with the jokes.

    • @verticalfracture
      @verticalfracture Před 3 lety +24

      He pulled himself up by his paw straps

    • @ANTSEMUT1
      @ANTSEMUT1 Před 3 lety +7

      It's like they think the Network of people that put them there don't exist and everything they did was literally magic.

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 Před 3 lety

      @@ANTSEMUT1 So they exploited opportunities and worked hard to maintain them.
      What exactly do you consider to be self-made?

    • @navilluscire2567
      @navilluscire2567 Před 3 lety +13

      @@marlonmoncrieffe0728
      Don't you get? There's no such thing as self-made, it's a myth, a lie told to people so they are complacent and will ensure they'll either never rise up or will never be able to effect meaningful changes to society, thus maintaining the status quo. Meritocracy is literally the philosophy of treating your fellow human beings as enemies 24/7 or see them as disposable garbage, particularly even those that are your own fellow countrymen, it is a potent weapon against solidarity.

  • @rickeybernard8156
    @rickeybernard8156 Před 3 lety +283

    A story real quick. When I was in school I excelled at every subject, a real jack of all trades. Because of this, I was able to go to an honor party, and received rewards. I felt torn. I was black and poor so I rarely got anything so I was grateful, but I had to watch kids suffer because they weren't lucky enough to be intelligent some of which are black.
    I'll never forget how horrible I felt as I received an award and my fellow students were forced to watch. I am happy could empathize. I hate the idea of being better because of something I inherited.
    P.S: teachers tried destroying my and other kids' grades when we scored higher than our White counterparts. Merit was never the goal. Feeling superior is.

    • @thekingoffailure9967
      @thekingoffailure9967 Před 3 lety +31

      Yo pal, do I hear ya. I'm a white dude that grew up in a rural town. Middle school was easy, but my peers hated my and bullied me. after we all matured in gr 10 I had real conversations with them. I was a nice guy, they didnt hate me. They hated that I was "better" than them. That the teachers all loved me and "gave" me good marks, when they would claim the bad marks my friends got were all their own fault. I hated it.
      I never, not once thought I was better than anyone at school. I was depressed the whole time. I had no social life. And why? Because in gr 3 I had a tenth grade reading level and I was labeled "Gifted." (It was just cause my parents had the time to teach me to read before pre-school unlike the majority. Mom was also a teacher.) I was segregated from the implied stupider kids. Given more attention, more confidence. All of us carried those labels for the rest of our school years. Some will carry them for the rest of their lives. No wonder "non-gifted" students drop out and give up "winning" in the rat race.

    • @rickeybernard8156
      @rickeybernard8156 Před 3 lety +19

      @@thekingoffailure9967 just to find out it meant nothing. When I got to school, all of the students cheated or had financial backings. They at least had the heart to discuss things without getting offended at differing opinions, but it became painfully obvious that schools grading systems were a sham. While I thrived academically on subjects that required pure intelligence, I struggled in others where finances were a factor. I wasn't given a scholarship despite my grades and was left with the states that died out quickly. I graduated just to end up working in factories and am struggling to get into my career. That's why I believe everything is a lie until concrete evidence is presented. Living by that, I weeded out all of the bs. I also try to get others to at the very least, think about why they believe the things that they do and not adopt ideologies just they were told to. I hate that you too we're bullied. Some of my best friends I had helped against bullies. Being bullied builds character but having an ally promotes a positive impact. Thanks for sharing your story.

    • @HughJass-jv2lt
      @HughJass-jv2lt Před 3 lety +10

      You lift others up.
      That's all any of us can really ever do.
      And you do it... because *it's the right thing to do.*

    • @rickeybernard8156
      @rickeybernard8156 Před 3 lety +7

      @@HughJass-jv2lt I agree. Gotta to keep pushing on.

    • @rickeybernard8156
      @rickeybernard8156 Před 3 lety +2

      @@thomasmaughan4798 thanks

  • @Islandswamp
    @Islandswamp Před 3 lety +2410

    I don't want to be rich. I want to get by without constantly worrying about everything. Basic survival isn't even close to guaranteed.

    • @yohannessulistyo4025
      @yohannessulistyo4025 Před 3 lety +43

      It is true that being rich has a lot of upsides.
      But then again:
      You will be wary about your "friends" and their sincerity (they could be after your wealth, and I heard that this is much worse in the US, according to my American friends)
      Lawsuit, kidnap, extortion target
      Nightmarish tax reporting complexity

    • @Erupe285
      @Erupe285 Před 3 lety +105

      @@yohannessulistyo4025 That's why they hire people to handle that stuff for them.

    • @user-lf8qu9un8y
      @user-lf8qu9un8y Před 3 lety +129

      @@yohannessulistyo4025 "Nightmarish tax reporting" that lets them evade billions in taxes? That's the worst excuse I've heard since "Iraq had WMDs"

    • @qwertyuiop-tk9rr
      @qwertyuiop-tk9rr Před 3 lety +65

      Being able to get by without constantly worrying about financial ruin is a luxury only available for the rich nowadays.

    • @steephanroy8461
      @steephanroy8461 Před 3 lety +54

      @@yohannessulistyo4025 if they are so burdened with money.. they should consider donating the rest after they take what is needed to live a good life. Problem solved.

  • @atticuscb
    @atticuscb Před 3 lety +154

    After college I definitely didn't get my job cause I did well in business school, I got my job cause I did a girl's Spanish homework and she got her dad, who's a VP, to get me a job at the company he works in.

    • @atticuscb
      @atticuscb Před 3 lety +39

      Best part is I saw that she listed bilingual on her Resume 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @jimmytimmy3680
      @jimmytimmy3680 Před 3 lety +31

      Lile the saying, it's not what you know, it's who you know.

    • @atticuscb
      @atticuscb Před 3 lety +3

      @@jimmytimmy3680 and how you know them 🤣🤣🤣 had to put my ESL to work 🤣

    • @randomthings1293
      @randomthings1293 Před 3 lety +10

      Thought that ended up at "I did a girl" 😂

    • @noonehere4332
      @noonehere4332 Před 3 lety +1

      So cheating is worth it haha

  • @Knedlajz2
    @Knedlajz2 Před 3 lety +1925

    Funny thing is that winning at monopoly isn't so much dictated by strategy as by luck through the roll of the dice

    • @jacksmith-vs4ct
      @jacksmith-vs4ct Před 3 lety +249

      Which is why it's such a good critique of capitalism even if people don't know that anymore lol

    • @user-lf8qu9un8y
      @user-lf8qu9un8y Před 3 lety +52

      The game began as a critique but that has all but been forgotten

    • @chengyanboon
      @chengyanboon Před 3 lety +37

      Much of the luck can be mitigated by the diplomatic element of the game (trade and negotiation). I have a brother who is super frustrating for me to play against, as whenever we play with someone new, he always manages to convince them to make all the trades in his favour and to the detriment of everyone else, and they always ignore my warnings and we lose. There are also strategies using the statistically most likely places to land on the board. Of course you can get super unlucky, but that averages out over multiple games.

    • @Fell0790
      @Fell0790 Před 3 lety +51

      @@chengyanboon Sure negotiation is part of the game but if I hold the better spots because of the luck of the dice I never need to trade for anything that is not beneficial if you play a game where all players always do the best play then luck is the only factor for success.
      I've played monopoly online before no one ever accepts trades, especially "equal" trades, if you show you want it they will not give it to you for a equal trade.

    • @christopherjohnson9167
      @christopherjohnson9167 Před 3 lety

      which is why it's a shit game. In capitalism I've gone to school, been in dept, got into a great industry after working hard, paid off my dept, and now saving up for a secure future. You need a plan, you have to commit to the plan, work hard and seek knlowledge, and you can achieve your dreams. And yeah it's a hell of a lot more satisfying then monopoly. BELIEVE IN YOURSELF FFS!!

  • @xeyon
    @xeyon Před 3 lety +66

    Life should not be seen as a competition but as a collaboration. Beautiful sentiment. Totally agree.

    • @zpswim9861
      @zpswim9861 Před rokem +1

      Unless your a animator!
      🙃

    • @novacat5037
      @novacat5037 Před rokem +1

      ​@[zp swim] do you think anime is made by one person?

    • @zpswim9861
      @zpswim9861 Před rokem

      @@novacat5037
      Studio

    • @novacat5037
      @novacat5037 Před rokem +1

      @[zp swim] If you're saying that without a studio, it is almost impossible for an animator to succeed because of the oligopoly in the market, then yes, I totally agree. But if you're just trying to answer my rhetorical question, then I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say, I was trying to say that it takes many animators collaborating to create an anime, not asking whether or not an anime is made by one person.

    • @zpswim9861
      @zpswim9861 Před rokem

      @@novacat5037 each living Cartoon has to have a Studio and a Group of people to make the cartoons to come to life!

  • @MayDayMei98
    @MayDayMei98 Před 3 lety +868

    Successful Person: "Yeah, I earned all of my wealth. First, I had an idea, then my rich uncle left me a small inheritance of $5,000,000, and then I opened my business!"

    • @Gnashercide
      @Gnashercide Před 3 lety +3

      Et donc ? Il mérite toujours, il a fait fructifier un capital sur ses idée... on n'est pas des communistes mentaux aux usa

    • @josecipriano3048
      @josecipriano3048 Před 3 lety +75

      @@Gnashercide you missed the point. Without the 5M your idea wouldn't be gojng anywhere.

    • @Gnashercide
      @Gnashercide Před 3 lety +1

      @@josecipriano3048 don't need 5 m

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 Před 3 lety +6

      Most millionaires are first generation.

    • @hidesbehindpseudonym1920
      @hidesbehindpseudonym1920 Před 3 lety +57

      @@marlonmoncrieffe0728 that just means that most millionaires are people in their 50s and 60s who are getting ready to retire and by virtue of being millionaires barely just have enough to retire. Most of those people had middle class or upper middle class parents who were involved in their upbringing as well. Saying that most millionaires are first generation millionaires doesn't imply that most millionaires are people in their 20s and 30s who came from underprivileged backgrounds and were able, through hard work, and sacrifice to become millionaires.

  • @seybertooth9282
    @seybertooth9282 Před 3 lety +632

    I once heard a Wall Street analyst say this: if you put a thousand people in a room flipping coins, someone is going to get ten heads in a row, just through statistical chance, i.e. luck. When you ask him how he did it, he'll say "It's all in the wrist, you gotta have the right skill". That's the stock market, someone is going to get lucky and he will inevitably think it's because he is good.

    • @Kortonox
      @Kortonox Před 3 lety +9

      There is some skill involved in the stock market. If you do research and invest in things that you know will likely have good outcomes you can be fairly succesfull. So its not like a coin flip. And if you go into short Selling, it becomes less and less a luck game, and more a game of Connections.
      But Still, you need money to invest in the first place to use the stock market, or connections to get money to invest. And its still like Gambling, so luck is definitley involved.
      What Second Thought said in this video applies perfectly to the stock market. You get money and connections by being born into a wealthy family. You can accomplish something with pure skill and work ethic, but the odds are stacked against you if you are an outsider.

    • @ArcticZombie
      @ArcticZombie Před 3 lety +14

      Gross oversimplification of the stock market. No, it is not just pure luck.

    • @davidsilverfield835
      @davidsilverfield835 Před 2 lety +1

      Agreed lol

    • @DMO-DMO-DMO
      @DMO-DMO-DMO Před 2 lety +7

      @@ArcticZombie wow, that was an oversimplification?! Gee whiz, thanks for letting us all know

    • @Chriscraft-ug3sz
      @Chriscraft-ug3sz Před 2 lety +1

      @@Kortonox getting those connections is also luck

  • @redvorno
    @redvorno Před 3 lety +1568

    Let's also not forget that even Monopoly has universal basic income

    • @ewrh78
      @ewrh78 Před 3 lety +80

      you made me laugh... thx - & u r absolutly right.

    • @watch50er
      @watch50er Před 3 lety +42

      I honestly thought that was metaphorical for income or basic assets outside the game paying off. But I see your meaning.

    • @Krystalmyth
      @Krystalmyth Před 3 lety +12

      Hahaha... You're right.

    • @Krystalmyth
      @Krystalmyth Před 3 lety +48

      @@watch50er That's kind of what this video is talking about. These assumptions about how people make their wealth. The belief we all came into this by the same opportunities and it really is just about the roll of the die. Imagine monopoly without the payout and itd be closer to current reality. Most would go bankrupt and seeing how most Americans are in debt, they kind of are.

    • @watch50er
      @watch50er Před 3 lety +17

      @@Feefa99 - it still is, people just need to be reminded

  • @josecipriano3048
    @josecipriano3048 Před 3 lety +102

    Whenever someone tells me about meritocracy, I tell them about my mother. Her parents were fairly wealthy but had to run away from the country, leaving everything behind, when the war broke out, to start a new life from scratch with 4 kids. My mum being the elder, she had to drop school to start working at 12. Today she works her ass off cleaning houses for a barely living salary. Go tell her about meritocracy.

    • @geraldford878
      @geraldford878 Před 3 lety +1

      If you believe that hard work is all it takes to be a millionaire, you would be half but not completely right. Now if she had invented facebook instead of cleaning houses... That's meritocracy.

    • @realDonald-trump
      @realDonald-trump Před 2 lety +1

      Strawman

    • @minimars3696
      @minimars3696 Před rokem +13

      @@geraldford878 Don't be ridiculous. How is she supposed to invent facebook without high education and access to computers and all that stuff? Where is the meritocracy? Where is equality?

    • @libbzany2875
      @libbzany2875 Před rokem

      @@realDonald-trump Nope. Keep sucking off our flawed system.

    • @hellogoodbye4728
      @hellogoodbye4728 Před rokem

      I don’t think racial privilege is a thing, I think green privilege is real and measurable. However, it is not like it is everything, for example, the only difference between someone who went to college for engineering with their school paid for vs someone who took out a loan is that the person who had a loan will be a couple hundred thousand dollars behind the person whos college was paid for by the time their 50. For example, the net worth will be $5M vs $4.5M.

  • @MarkSoupial
    @MarkSoupial Před 3 lety +1750

    “I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.”
    ― Stephen Jay Gould

    • @gamer24d
      @gamer24d Před 3 lety +46

      That's Deep

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 Před 3 lety +234

      People obsessing over Einstein's brain is even more insulting when you realize that he was a socialist too and a jew so he had been persecuted by eugenics programs that used the exact same justifications about superior intellect and stuff.

    • @acenull0
      @acenull0 Před 3 lety +29

      That's an amazing quote

    • @deisk2707
      @deisk2707 Před 3 lety +16

      @@hedgehog3180 He is for Equality, and race is not what made him superior.
      People want their brain to be big as him but they will never succeed like him. He was shaped by the environment around him, mostly society. That's how great people are born, but not made.

    • @grmpEqweer
      @grmpEqweer Před 3 lety +47

      Yup. Think of kids in India mining mica, harvesting chocolate in Africa, or starving to death in a number of poor countries.
      Our world and our civilization has the capacity to feed and educate all of them.
      Most people (about 80%) live in poverty (more or less)and just survive, while a few are inordinately rich, because of capitalism. The world middle class is small.
      ...Capitalism leaves a HUGE amount of human potential to rot.

  • @Dan-ud8hz
    @Dan-ud8hz Před 3 lety +50

    "A wise woman who was traveling in the mountains found a precious stone in a stream. The next day she met another traveler who was hungry, and the wise woman opened her bag to share her food. The hungry traveler saw the precious stone and asked the woman to give it to him. She did so without hesitation. The traveler left, rejoicing in his good fortune. He knew the stone was worth enough to give him security for a lifetime. But a few days later he came back to return the stone to the wise woman. “I've been thinking,” he said, “I know how valuable the stone is, but I give it back in the hope that you can give me something even more precious. Give me what you have within you that enabled you to give me the stone."
    Martha Stout, The Sociopath Next Door

  • @legateelizabeth
    @legateelizabeth Před 3 lety +483

    I’m actually really curious if the reverse of the “privileged people think they did well” thing is true. Do people who aren’t well off say that they’ve failed and blame themselves?

    • @fernandonepomuceno7148
      @fernandonepomuceno7148 Před 3 lety +251

      Yes, a lot of them do

    • @xmlthegreat
      @xmlthegreat Před 3 lety +188

      Yes. There is a pervasive feeling of impostor syndrome, like you don't belong somewhere, or aren't capable of something, or aren't worth it,etc.

    • @daisy3869
      @daisy3869 Před 3 lety +177

      For sure. It's beaten into their heads. That's why so many keep grinding hard af and wearing it like a badge. If someone points out how futile and unfair the system is, they get mad because they don't want to face the reality that their genuine hard work wasn't actually doing shit.

    • @slowmoe1686
      @slowmoe1686 Před 3 lety +84

      Yes. Studies have shown this, at least in capitalist societies. IIRC outside of capitalism that happens less. Capitalism is a system that makes the losers feel inferior, like they have gone against the Great Chain of Being.

    • @ah_libra
      @ah_libra Před 3 lety +20

      @Elizabeth Some of us certainly feel that way...😟

  • @WaltersMama
    @WaltersMama Před 3 lety +478

    people might say that we live in a meritocracy, but no one acts like they do, this is especially obvious with parenting. if we really lived in a place where everyone had a fair shot at being successful, then parents wouldn't spend so much time, energy and money on making sure their kids go to the "right" kind of schools, get enrichment activities, extra tutoring help, etc.

    • @Krystalmyth
      @Krystalmyth Před 3 lety +3

      Uhm you think this is a natural parental trait or something?

    • @deisk2707
      @deisk2707 Před 3 lety +7

      Schools is useless right now. It is based on points but not talent. Same as back since 19th century by Napoleon's view to current society, people are promoted based on wealth, not talent.

    • @user-qc3dn2el6j
      @user-qc3dn2el6j Před 3 lety +3

      @@altrag having money doesn’t (or at least shouldn’t) be an advantage in a meritocracy when competing in anything that isn’t the business world. Like Ye having money can allow you to start a business but tbh how many us could make a successful business even if we had money. Most of us are gonna just get jobs and then within the hierarchy of that system the most competent should rise up because someone has to rise up so why shouldn’t the person with the most merit do it? In this manner competent people do rise up everywhere which is why our society is all together running pretty good. Not saying it’s perfect and it could certainly be better but meritocracy should definitely be the goal.

    • @user-qc3dn2el6j
      @user-qc3dn2el6j Před 3 lety +3

      @@altrag thanks for the well thought out response. May I ask what you propose as a solution to more closely reach a meritocracy?

    • @eriknephrongfr8847
      @eriknephrongfr8847 Před 3 lety +2

      @@altrag If you haven’t read The Meritocracy Trap(and I bet you have), you’ll think someone’s been reading your mind.

  • @kated3165
    @kated3165 Před 3 lety +924

    The amount of Trump supporters I talked with who genuinely thought the guy's wealth meant he was some successful genius and superior being.... don't know about you guys but had I inherited 250+ millions I'd probably still be doing pretty good financially!

    • @jimmytimmy3680
      @jimmytimmy3680 Před 3 lety +68

      Had 6 bankruptcies.

    • @mickeyg7219
      @mickeyg7219 Před 3 lety +94

      @@jimmytimmy3680
      Yes, the benefit of being from a wealthy family is that you have a cushion against business bankruptcy. For most business owners, they have to take out a loan and spent pretty much all their savings to keep it afloat, and if they failed, they're unlikely to have a second chance. This shows that rich business owners aren't necessarily better at running a business than average business owners, it's just that people are more likely to ignore your failures if you have capitals to fall back on.

    • @2FadeMusic
      @2FadeMusic Před 3 lety +65

      @@mickeyg7219 “small loan of a million dollars” god how did nearly half the country fall for that shit, its seriously scary to think about how dumb ppl are

    • @garygrinkevich6971
      @garygrinkevich6971 Před 3 lety +51

      Lol I love quoting his famous line "I began my career with a small personal loan of a million dollars from my father". Conservatives hate it when you pull at the threads of their fables - gives em brain worms for days.

    • @huffdaddy3845
      @huffdaddy3845 Před 3 lety +29

      And he still managed to go bankrupt multiple times. I wouldn't call Trump successful at anything but being a conman and complete asshole.

  • @johnb5254
    @johnb5254 Před 3 lety +32

    As a professor once told me, it's Who you know, not What you know that really matters in life.

    • @imbored01
      @imbored01 Před 2 lety +1

      @@navajo237 it’s called a professor’s teacher

  • @lychnus7761
    @lychnus7761 Před 3 lety +112

    "It doesn't matter what you know, but who you know."

    • @Roxor128
      @Roxor128 Před 3 lety +8

      Or as I like to call it, "cheating your way to the top".

    • @yt_nh9347
      @yt_nh9347 Před 3 lety +1

      Yeah i'm sure that's why asians that immigrated to the US are performing much higher on average than even whites when it comes to income and education. Stop playing the victim and learn to work hard at meaningful goals.

    • @jasonmatthews52
      @jasonmatthews52 Před 3 lety +12

      @@yt_nh9347 Except you left out that the majority of Asians students who immigrate to the US for our education tend come from extremely wealthy, connected, and/or financially stable families, thus illustrating OP's point. You even see the same phenomenon with African groups such as the Nigerians and Ethiopians who come here and vastly outperform the native demographics in regards to academic success; they too often come from upper-middle to upper class families.

    • @myronidasvestarossa
      @myronidasvestarossa Před 3 lety +4

      @@jasonmatthews52 not to mention that the poverty rate for most Asians is higher than the national average. Hard work is admirable but you have to realize that it can only take you so far if the system only favors wealthy and connected people. It’s a mix of both personal responsibility and the systems we create.

    • @syzygy4365
      @syzygy4365 Před 7 měsíci +1

      ​​@@myronidasvestarossa at least Asian cultures respect art and traditions. 🙄

  • @Undeaddeaths
    @Undeaddeaths Před 3 lety +85

    The part about luck and youtube is a great point. Everyone asks popular youtubers what they did to get famous, and they all give the same response. Truth be told there are most likely hundreds if not thousands of people who have been making videos for 5 or 10+ years who just haven't been found, or haven't had the algorithm push their videos yet.
    Nobody asks someone who won the lottery how they did it, or what they think influenced their chances of winning the lottery.

    • @lukeh2556
      @lukeh2556 Před 3 lety +10

      It's funny quite a few youtubers I enjoy have straight up said I don't know how it happened just just blessed by the algorithm one day

  • @Naheed_Ahmed14
    @Naheed_Ahmed14 Před 3 lety +583

    "The acquisition of wealth is not due to hard work alone, or the Africans working as slaves in America and the West Indies would have been the wealthiest group in the world."
    - Walter Rodney

    • @danklewis2670
      @danklewis2670 Před 3 lety +6

      Talent is more important than hard work

    • @LoGStein
      @LoGStein Před 3 lety +93

      @@danklewis2670 And luck is even more important, since talent is useless if you don't get to use it. No matter how talented and hard working a slave in the 18th century was, they wouldn't become rich.

    • @missk1697
      @missk1697 Před 3 lety +54

      @@danklewis2670 Most of those "talent" thingy is self-fulfilling prophecy and financial support from rich parents since the young age.

    • @danklewis2670
      @danklewis2670 Před 3 lety +1

      @@missk1697 Not really. Trump was born rich but clearly untalented since he was a kid. Bezos wasn’t born rich but graduated valedictorian and summa cum laude in EECS from Princeton

    • @dinklezucc5982
      @dinklezucc5982 Před 3 lety +36

      @@danklewis2670 The video acknowledges that hard work is necessary in a lot of cases. Now imagine someone trying to study with limited access to food and no internet. What are their chances of Valedictorian or top of their class? Let alone getting into an ivy league or top tier college with little to no money or familial support. If its not fair at the start, its apples to oranges.

  • @this.is.spencer
    @this.is.spencer Před 3 lety +428

    "Luck is when hard work meets opportunity" never made sense to me. What gives one an opportunity if not luck? The people who accept and repeat this phrase assume that everyone has been bombarded with opportunities their whole life, because they have been. They don't realize that getting those opportunities is part of their luck, and not freely given to everyone.

    • @WanderTheNomad
      @WanderTheNomad Před 3 lety +29

      Perhaps it would be better rephrased as "luck is multiplied when hard work meets opportunities"

    • @christopherjohnson9167
      @christopherjohnson9167 Před 3 lety +7

      you gotta do yourself the favor of working hard to increase the percentage of that lucky break happening. Success is not some binary system ruled completely by luck, there are billions of factors interacting.

    • @91Vault
      @91Vault Před 3 lety +14

      while I agree...I'd interpret it as "when you get lucky, make the most of it" people who have positive mindsets tend to do things that increase their chances of success

    • @getango
      @getango Před 3 lety +17

      @@WanderTheNomad Perhaps a better way to rephrase this is: "Luck is opportunity".
      As in you are lucky already if you even HAVE that opportunity.

    • @WanderTheNomad
      @WanderTheNomad Před 3 lety

      @@getango I wanted to keep the original spirit of the saying.

  • @professorgrimm4602
    @professorgrimm4602 Před 3 lety +343

    As a quite privileged person, I must say: Checking your own privilege and acknowledging that much of the success in your life stems from privilege instead of merit is not a fun thing to do. It's quite uncomfortable, but it is necessary. Ever since acknowledging my own privilege, I've become much more compassionate to other people and much more content with my own life.

    • @myronidasvestarossa
      @myronidasvestarossa Před 3 lety +14

      As have I. I always question myself that “what do I have, that was not given to me?”

    • @jasonturner6459
      @jasonturner6459 Před 2 lety +16

      @@thomasmaughan4798 Checking your privilege is at least acknowledging what help you have received and what advantages bthat you may have had over other people before judging them. Nobody said not to try to make things Easier for your kids. Check-out all those billionaires who blather on about being self-made and hardworking genius but forget to acknowledge loans or connections from their parents or the government, etc. Plenty of hardworking and intelligent people fail. Not everyone who succeeds is just that awesome. Some people buck the odds but the wealthy and connected and Better educated have a huge advantage

    • @litheon1289
      @litheon1289 Před 2 lety +6

      @@thomasmaughan4798 I'm really not getting your perspective here. You say; "I see it as a duty to "pay it forward" and ensure that my children get off to a reasonably good start; a better start than I had" Do you believe only your children deserve a better start? Are your kids (most likely biological, u dont seem like the adopting type) of more importance than any other? Do you not care about other children, who's parents arent able to 'pay it forward'? If somebody's parents are mentally ill, and cant hold a stable job, are they supposed to be just left behind? Later on, when they're trying to get a further education, it'll be their fault for not being able to get scholarships right? Their fault alone. (Sarcasm) so when they end up working a low-paying job like their parents, it's all cuz of their 'laziness.
      Privilege exists. It's not something you need to get pissed off about to hear. Some people have far better advantages in life, and thats a fact. You said 'wealthy & connected & better educated have a hude advantage' its not a huge stretch to consider smaller things, also an advantage. People need better resources and grounds to succeed, everyone is entitled to it. America is supposed to be the 'greatest nation' yet we cant even provide such basic things.

    • @jaws392
      @jaws392 Před 2 lety +3

      @@litheon1289 Do you really think it my priority to care about other children that I have never met. The answer to that is no because I don't support lousy parents doing a horrible job raising there kids. If that's the way you think, you're the problem with society.

    • @sheepcommander_
      @sheepcommander_ Před 2 lety

      @@jaws392 I'm about to become a grammar nazi so help me god

  • @petereng7497
    @petereng7497 Před 3 lety +153

    Luck is sometimes the privilege of being able to throw the dice until they come up in your favor.

    • @Indoor_Carrot
      @Indoor_Carrot Před 2 lety +6

      Most people never get to roll the dice at all. A few may be lucky and can roll it once.
      The privileged can roll it as many times as they want until it suits them

  • @garygrinkevich6971
    @garygrinkevich6971 Před 3 lety +61

    I was once getting a "annual evaluation" at a job and my manager said something like "if i gave you a raise over 3% we would have to give everyone a raise", and I responded with "well Is this a meritocracy? I didn't know there was a workers union here?" And she scared pikachu face at me before doing the hokey pokey 6 times and changing the subject. Love the blatantly Hippocratic appeal to "family values" or "employee solidarity" when they want overtime or as a mental judo move to screw you out of a raise, but when you call a capitalist out on it they get real uncomfortable and quickly show you the door.

    • @Bourikii2992
      @Bourikii2992 Před 2 lety

      Meritocracy doesn't mean you slave away at the same job for decades. Lmao if one job doesn't value you, there are plenty of others hiring for more pay.

    • @garygrinkevich6971
      @garygrinkevich6971 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Bourikii2992 forming a labor union USED to be a way to bargain collectively so individual didn't have to keep quiting jobs and restarting careers, which (I'm told by elders) lead to better products, services, happier employees, and more valuable companies. These days you have to own your own business and do every role of you want that security and you'll still be competing for every dollar against outsourcing corporate greed but that is so much better than punching a time clock and interviewing for the next read end job imo.

    • @Bourikii2992
      @Bourikii2992 Před 2 lety

      @@garygrinkevich6971 Quiting isn't restarting your career automatically lmao. You don't quit to make less you quit to make more.
      Unions still exist lol.

    • @garygrinkevich6971
      @garygrinkevich6971 Před 2 lety +2

      ​@@Bourikii2992 people quit jobs for many reasons upward mobility can be - but isn't usually one - of them according to all quantifiable metrics like home ownership, birthrate, income, savings, and investments all of which have decreased over the past 50 years along with average union membership. All while the workforce has actually grown in size, skill, work hours, education (every quantifiable metric). Unions still exist but have been gutted through anti union practices, worker propaganda, and the private managerial class committed to serving capital interests.

    • @Bourikii2992
      @Bourikii2992 Před 2 lety

      @@garygrinkevich6971 Nice job trying to use statistical lies lmao. Birthrates always go down in richer countries, you don't need 18 kids helping on the farm or in the factory in the US. Yes home ownership is down... By 2% and it's still been in the 60% margin for nearly 100 years. Yes median income is down... We just had a pandemic in which all the earth's governments promptly fucked their economies, it's still higher than it was from 1990 all the way to 2017 so nope wrong again. Personal savings is down, down from the highest point it had ever been by an extreme margin 2020-2021 was the highest personal savings had been ever in the US. Yes investment % of gdp is down... 0.6%.

  • @Ryan30431
    @Ryan30431 Před 3 lety +56

    Think you nailed the point of this Dr. King quote: ``Whenever this issue of compensatory or preferential treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man is entered at the starting line in a race 300 years after another man, the first would have to perform some impossible feat in order to catch up with his fellow runner.``
    - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

    • @Bourikii2992
      @Bourikii2992 Před 2 lety

      And yet despite Obama. Isn't that weird.

    • @projectpitchfork860
      @projectpitchfork860 Před rokem

      @@Bourikii2992 Not really. Obama is a single black person of the ruling class among thousands of whites. It's honestly just statistical propability. But it doesn't make much sense to reduce him just to his skin colour.

    • @Bourikii2992
      @Bourikii2992 Před rokem

      @@projectpitchfork860 It's a statistical probability that a black man in a supposedly racist country that is also supposedly holding black people back and is supposedly institutionally racist had a black man in the second most powerful position in the country?
      Not to mention the supposedly racist political party voted in a black man into the third most powerful position in the country whilst the current white president of the supposedly not racist party slandered him.

  • @charlesrichard7715
    @charlesrichard7715 Před 3 lety +197

    That feeling when you refresh and new content is uploaded 6 seconds ago.

  • @carpevinum8645
    @carpevinum8645 Před 3 lety +19

    For a long time I thought I was just inherently lazy. And thus undeserving. I was undiagnosed ADHD. I remember the first time the meds worked. Crying on the phone to my girlfriend, because I didn't know it was supposed to be that easy. I was referring to the process of getting ready for and going to bed. Something which had been a brutal mental battle every night of my life. That was my normal. For something that basic. No wonder working full time and managing uni had never worked out long term (my parents were unfortunately not in the position to support me, but in a good enough position for me not to qualify for benefits). Being a female, and presenting different to the stereotype, I even had to fight for the psychiatric referral, with my psychologist supporting me, I doubt my then GP would have given it to me. And I have A LOT of privilege in many ways. A lot of not too. But my heart genuinely goes out to everyone undiagnosed, especially those without the means to get one. If only to understand that they are not crazy, or lazy. Their brain just works different to how they've been told it does. They're not alone. It can be okay. And not that f***ing hard.

  • @17raysplays29
    @17raysplays29 Před 3 lety +45

    The idea of America being a Meritocracy never entered my mind before now.

    • @demon_xd_
      @demon_xd_ Před 3 lety +9

      Well, for a good reason,
      *it’s called the american dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it*

  • @diegowushu
    @diegowushu Před 3 lety +41

    I'm always mystified by people who firmly believe meritocracy is real that are not at the same time in favor of abolishing inheritance and every non-public education institution where everyone has to go, among other equalizing measures. I can't decide if they're actually dumb or disingenuous.

    • @virtualalias
      @virtualalias Před 3 lety

      I don't understand? Why would these be mutually exclusive? The playing field should be balanced and equal. Those that generate the most value are still going to succeed and those that don't aren't. If we lived in a 5 person village and villager A is an expert fisherman and villager C is a crap fisherman + the village enjoys eating fish... You can give both of these villagers a fishing pole, a boat and a sailing education; one of them is still going to do better than the other.

    • @lyokianhitchhiker
      @lyokianhitchhiker Před 3 lety

      @@bradhicks4057 I think we should combine the 2.

  • @SofaKingShit
    @SofaKingShit Před 3 lety +20

    I was physically abused as a kid by middle class parents who sent me to a private school. I ended up pretty traumatized and with some habits that sometimes placed me in police stations and occasionally appearing in court, and l was almost always amazed at how l would generally be believed. The legal system seems to have antenna to instinctively sense those who might be able to afford a lawyer, or whose family can afford one.

  • @2FadeMusic
    @2FadeMusic Před 3 lety +131

    Its always so respectable to me when someone conventionally successful like yourself has the common sense to acknowledge that good fortune played some role in that success and it wasn’t 100% the result of your actions or you being “better” or “more hardworking” than others. Since most rich people are delusional to the point of being incapable of acknowledging that obvious reality

    • @behr121002
      @behr121002 Před 3 lety +10

      Well said.

    • @phillemon7664
      @phillemon7664 Před 3 lety +12

      Yes, luck is about 80% of why success happens.

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 Před 3 lety +1

      Probably because luck is an unintangible thing that you can not easily define, so you can not justify Marxist theft with it.

    • @2FadeMusic
      @2FadeMusic Před 3 lety +1

      @@marlonmoncrieffe0728 very insightful comment there you just debunked all marxist theory

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 Před 3 lety

      @@phillemon7664 That's losers' thinking.

  • @boonami5105
    @boonami5105 Před 3 lety +41

    "My parents paid for the rest of my school and took 90% of my debts" ngl I audibly gasped

  • @SergeantSniper
    @SergeantSniper Před 3 lety +85

    Never thought about it like that. Leaving those who fail with the callous idea that they deserve it seems sociopathic. We must help each other.

    • @chafiqbantla1816
      @chafiqbantla1816 Před 3 lety +14

      In europe this idea is well spread but in america the tend to call anything thats social "communism"😂

    • @dread-cthulu
      @dread-cthulu Před 3 lety +12

      It is sociopathic.

    • @cheesyfries5638
      @cheesyfries5638 Před rokem +1

      @@chafiqbantla1816 Not the CoMmUnIsM

  • @jackvac1918
    @jackvac1918 Před 3 lety +94

    The term "meritocracy" was actually coined by British sociologist and socialist Michael Young in his satirical book _The Rise of the Meritocracy_ , in which it describes a future dystopian Britain where a class system based on merit has entrenched a merited elite into a hereditary caste of arrogant snobs while disenfranchising and impoverishing the less merited, eventually leading to a populist backlash against the system. Kind of interesting how libertarians and free-marketeers embraced a word that describes dystopia to describe their neoliberal ideal.

    • @SharienGaming
      @SharienGaming Před 2 lety

      and again the ghouls have taken dystopian fiction and went "yeah thats what we want"...

  • @TheDanaYiShow
    @TheDanaYiShow Před 3 lety +98

    "Where life is not a competition but a collaboration" damn that was good

    • @jacobodom8401
      @jacobodom8401 Před 3 lety

      @@thomasmaughan4798 agreed - it’s not one or the other, it’s both

  • @Saraseeksthompson0211
    @Saraseeksthompson0211 Před rokem +13

    I took all advanced classes in middle and high school, was in the top 3% of my school upon graduating, the top 1% in the state of California, graduated with a 4.8 GPA, and didn't get anything despite applying to every educational scholarship under the sun. I finally got one for music, due to being in choir, but still couldn't afford to go to school. I was even invited to visit the White House with a group of 12 students from around the nation when I was in middle school, but we couldn't afford it, and the fundraising options weren't available in a town as small and as poor as mine. Although I did a sport, because I wasn't in student council, and hadn't done x hours of volunteer work (due to having to actually work to buy food) I didn't get anything in terms of an educational scholarship. However, 7 kids I know, whose parents were rich, got "educational" scholarships, even though their GPA's were below a 4.0, and many were below a 3.5, and they'd taken the easiest classes they could, and were years behind me in math and every other subject. School never came easy to me, as I have ADHD,OCD, and am autistic, dyslexic, and have multiple vision and hearing disabilities due to genetic illnesses. Just sitting through the school day was difficult for me, yet I worked so hard and got absolutely nothing. The kids who were accepted into universities, had worse grades than me, and didn't even write an essay for their application. They were accepted because their parents were alumni, or (and I genuinely believe this), because colleges evaluate a student's parents' income, so they only want people who can pay cash on the spot. Student loans also pull from your parents' income, so if they don't make enough, you can't get loans that universities will accept, and just getting loans for a Junior college was extremely difficult. I decided to skip college, even though it'd been my dream to have a master's degree by the time I was 22. I tried years later, hated it, decided to skip it all, struggled in poverty, working my butt off for 10 years, before I finally got hired by a company that took chances, and hired me for $20,000 more than I had been making at my previous job. All of the staff were not qualified for the positions we got, but they wanted us for our personalities. I'm exceptionally lucky, as now I have an opportunity to afford to take a test to get certified in one year's time (it's $3000 just to test) and can actually apply to jobs in the 90-100k region, and finally get better opportunities. In 3-4 years, I can apply for jobs in the $120k - $150k range. But the debt and poverty I was in for so many years, just trying to survive and not starve, will be over my head for another 3 years, while I pay off things and build up my savings and credit. I'll be lucky to have $6000 in savings in the next year, but I doubt I'll reach it. The key thing here is - everything the middle class feeds us is bullshit meant to make their kids be friends with other well-off kids, and continue to the poverty that allows them their success in America today. Anyone who has ever actually came from nothing, knows hard work doesn't contribute to success. It's all about luck, and someone else using you as their puppet to get what they want. Their is no american dream - the reality is capitalism is the same as the monarchy or aristocracy, with a different name and disguise.

    • @suicune2001
      @suicune2001 Před rokem

      What about MAP or PEL grants? Didn't you qualify for any of those? Especially since you have disabilities. Where was DARS in your state? Mine helped pay for whatever the MAP an PEL grants didn't cover.

    • @epiphanyperry1877
      @epiphanyperry1877 Před rokem

      Well Said!!!

  • @matteste
    @matteste Před 3 lety +158

    And one other criticism of a meritocracy that you failed to mention is that "what is merit exactly?" and "who decides what it is?". What's considered merit is what is considered desirable by the system set by a few individuals.

    • @destroyraiden
      @destroyraiden Před 3 lety +10

      The way some people toss around merit or they were the most qualified for the job seems to correlate between white, male, and or status quo of that particular industry in question.
      Sometimes it mixes two other times its all three for bingo, but it's a good question who decides? It seems if you think you are the majority you can decide but that's not true.

    • @orvilgrunmeier7559
      @orvilgrunmeier7559 Před 3 lety +16

      That's a great point. Yang discussed this idea a lot during his presidential campaign, that many important jobs and tasks have no market value in our current system. These are people every bit as hard working, and probably even more passionate, than those considered to be higher in "merit"

    • @ThrottleKitty
      @ThrottleKitty Před 3 lety +19

      Most of the time "merit" comes down to just meaning "start up capital".
      I see people who are terrible at everything rewarded for everything they do
      I see people who can run a 3 person shift by themselves paid like a trainee teenager

    • @matteste
      @matteste Před 3 lety +10

      And another problem with merit I remembered is especially when there are limited spaces available as well as the issue of talent vs hard work.
      I think this quote from Fullmetal Alchemist 03 summarizes the issue perfectly:
      *Dante:* "Consider the state alchemy exam that you passed with flying colors. How many others took the test that day? Spent months, years preparing, some working much harder than you. Yet you were the only one who passed. Where was their reward? Is it their fault they lacked your natural talent?"

    • @geraldford878
      @geraldford878 Před 3 lety +2

      @@destroyraiden Merit is tricky indeed. But it would be racist and vengeful to think that's how meritocracy works. In reality meritocracy has everything to do "among all those qualified for the job, who will take the job for the least amount of money and work the longest hours." Sometimes its a desperate white male with nothing to lose. Sometimes it's not.

  • @frennauta
    @frennauta Před 3 lety +28

    Describing your own case of privilege and hard work in the grand scheme of capitalism was really impressive and a very humbling move. Respect, man.

  • @BillHawkins0318
    @BillHawkins0318 Před 3 lety +35

    Brother you are literally saving the world one video at a time. You knocked it out of the park with this one.
    Your presentation of complex topics In an easy to understand format; is absolutely Flawless.

    • @SecondThought
      @SecondThought  Před 3 lety +12

      Wow, thanks so much! That really means a lot.

  • @Srijit1946
    @Srijit1946 Před 3 lety +75

    10:33 "Instead of encouraging winners and losers, why not structure society in such a way that everyone is afforded a decent quality of life? Where life itself isn't seen as a competition, but a collaboration. Each contributing however they are able, and everyone benefiting from societal advances."
    That's a great way of rephrasing "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" and explaining what it means. Great video as always, comrade!

    • @SecondThought
      @SecondThought  Před 3 lety +22

      Yep, that was the idea! Thanks!

    • @mickeyg7219
      @mickeyg7219 Před 3 lety +17

      Yes, contradictory to what capitalists are telling you, for much of the behavioral human history, we live in a close-knit, collaborative society. There are even archeological evidences that during Neolithic period, the old and disabled were properly nursed with whatever knowledge they have at the time, despite their inability to contribute labor to the tribe. In some sense, we lost our ways as a human being.

    • @ANTSEMUT1
      @ANTSEMUT1 Před 3 lety +3

      @@mickeyg7219 we still very much live in a collaborative environment in modern times, it's just that the Capitalist have pushed the fetishised version of self-reliance so much that that people believe they have IRL plot armour if they work hard or have enough faith. Like people unironically believe self made billionaires are 100% that.

  • @slap_my_hand
    @slap_my_hand Před 3 lety +157

    The idea that only the top achievers in a society deserve to live a comfortable life is downright appalling. Meritocracy is just a euphemism for "rat race".

    • @phillemon7664
      @phillemon7664 Před 3 lety +30

      @@czaralexander5156 except it should be about justice if you really care about your fellow man. Do you care about others or are you just trying to act tough? What if I your loved ones just went bankrupt one day and lost their homes and means of eating/safe living? Do you think it fair for them to arbitrarily be unable to live just because of one miss step? Of course not, you want to see them survive like any other human with empathy would.

    • @phillemon7664
      @phillemon7664 Před 3 lety +19

      Meritocracy is a purely Social Darwinist system and would only decrease the quality of living in the world as everyone would just be reduced to animals struggling to survive, trampling over those they once called their friends in the name of success. That system would only cause pain and strife and make people forget the importance of being socially competent as a Meritocracy would reward Psychopathy at it’s very core.

    • @yo_tengo_una_boca6764
      @yo_tengo_una_boca6764 Před 3 lety

      I agree with your comment but not gonna lie, I wasn't expecting an account with a TF2 reference to be saying this lol

    • @XMysticHerox
      @XMysticHerox Před 3 lety +1

      @@czaralexander5156 We decide what life is about. All of these issues are human made. Why the fuck should society *not* be just? Why the fuck should we not strive to make it more just?
      Yes life is not fair right now. So lets *change* it.

    • @WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut
      @WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut Před 3 lety +1

      @@InternetMameluq I always thought technocracy, aristocracy and meritocracy could be used interchangeably but for instance some people use aristocracy to mean either nobility (which doesn't necessarily imply "merit" at all) or a plutocratic elite (which again, doesn't imply merit either).

  • @TooSickToDressVictorian
    @TooSickToDressVictorian Před 3 lety +87

    Yeah, what also always bugged me about Meritocracy is that there are people who can’t contribute fully or at all to society, through no fault of their own.
    Take someone like me, for example. I‘m pretty mentally ill, it is bordering on being disabled. I didn’t choose that, my childhood was simply bad.
    I‘m pretty smart, by no means a genius, but a bit above average. I‘m pretty creative and I learn really fast.
    The problem is that I can‘t „work hard“. Don’t get me wrong, for my standards I‘m working extremely hard, but not anywhere visible to the outside world. I would fail in a pure Meritocracy, and so would so many others who have disabilities, disorders or are neurodivergent.
    It’s crazy to think that everyone has an equal material footing, it’s insane to think that everyone has an equally normative mental abilities.

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 Před 3 lety +4

      So mentally or physically disabled adults that can't work are a significant percentage of the population to justify abolishing meritocracy as a whole?
      NOBODY has said that we all have an equally material footing.
      P.S. 👐 🏥 I am PRO-universal healthcare, by the way.

    • @hidesbehindpseudonym1920
      @hidesbehindpseudonym1920 Před 3 lety +14

      @@marlonmoncrieffe0728 no, the disabled adults who can't work, are not on their own a sufficient justification for abolishing meritocracy. But the accumulation and amplification of human capital by involved parents with resources on the abilities and opportunities of subsequent generations as compared to children of uninvolved parents with or without resources, that is enough of accumulative effect to justify the abolition of meritocracy.

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 Před 3 lety +1

      @@hidesbehindpseudonym1920 So you want to abolish meritocracy because, through no fault of other successful people, because THEIR parents were responsible???

    • @hidesbehindpseudonym1920
      @hidesbehindpseudonym1920 Před 3 lety +8

      @@marlonmoncrieffe0728 no, because through no fault of poor people we can't guarantee for everybody that the parents that they are born to will have been responsible or involved. It's not the fault of responsible parents that some parents are irresponsible but much more importantly than that it is not the fault of children of irresponsible parents that their parents were irresponsible. Another important thing to point out it is not the achievement of the children of responsible parents that they were born to responsible parents.

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 Před 3 lety +1

      @@hidesbehindpseudonym1920
      I am NOT blaming the children of bad parents and am even FOR some social institutions to equalize their opportunities.
      What I hate is bashing the good ones, however their wealth, and making their kids suffer for it.
      If you want to help the poor, then HELP THE POOR.
      What you do NOT do is BRING OTHERS DOWN.

  • @rubixtheslime
    @rubixtheslime Před 3 lety +37

    I've hated the notion of meritocracy ever since high school. My family was middle class, I spent upwards of 105 hours per week on my studies, and the vast majority of my school would say that I was the smartest person in my class. With all of that, under proper meritocracy it would be a guarantee that I get perfect marks, a 4.0 GPA. But I suffer from autism and severe ADHD, so nearly killing myself in the name of doing my absolute best got me a 3.1 GPA. Good, but not good enough.
    Hard work didn't give me opportunity, it gave me depression. There were countless times I considered suicide and the only thing stopping me was having no energy left. In my senior year, I all but gave up on my studies and it gave me time to learn useful skills and even become an eagle scout.
    Unfortunately, this trend continued into college. A large part of it is being in a classroom and working on homework just instantly reminds me of high school and I have to start fighting back thoughts of suicide again. At this point I struggle to finish a semester taking a mere 2 classes, and most often need to drop out and pray that my mental health will be better the next time I can afford college again.
    In the end, the biggest lesson I learned from high school is that society is corrupt AF and the biggest determiner of success is luck. And because I was unlucky, I am not wanted by society.

    • @ixorix
      @ixorix Před 3 lety +5

      Stay strong man, I hope things will improve for you one way or another - I'm in a similar situation of stunted potential but with different factors, it's really awful to be held back by things out of your control

    • @ANTSEMUT1
      @ANTSEMUT1 Před 3 lety +1

      @@ANDROLOMA damn.

  • @byotec
    @byotec Před 3 lety +233

    As usual commenting for the algorithm but while I'm here I would like to say that my mom is a nurse who is paid 9 dollars an hour who grew up as a straight a student in a working class family. The us was never meritocratic

    • @thabokgwele5268
      @thabokgwele5268 Před 3 lety +5

      Damn

    • @andrewliu8048
      @andrewliu8048 Před 3 lety +5

      For the algorithm

    • @jacksmith-vs4ct
      @jacksmith-vs4ct Před 3 lety +4

      Wait what my aunt was a nurse in the deep south and made like 15 an hour like 20 years ago. I think see needs to move to a different place

    • @cakeisyummy5755
      @cakeisyummy5755 Před 3 lety +2

      For the Algoritham!

    • @xmlthegreat
      @xmlthegreat Před 3 lety +11

      @@jacksmith-vs4ct who's gonna pay the aunt's bills to move? There's a reason that you can tell a person's earnings by zipcode.

  • @luc6284
    @luc6284 Před 3 lety +151

    The earth is rich enough to sustain a modest living for every person alive!

    • @toppersundquist
      @toppersundquist Před 3 lety +33

      There was a study put out recently, that showed how, if ALL wealth was distributed equally, how much the average person's wealth would change. In a lot of countries, it went up by like 7x, 10x, 20x. Even in America, the average person's wealth would go up like 1.15x. I live in one of the few countries where the average wealth would go down, and as far as I can tell I'm above average in this country.
      And I am 100% in favor of doing this, because holy hell, I'd much rather live in a world where everyone had everything they need to thrive.

    • @whydoievenbothertoputthish2199
      @whydoievenbothertoputthish2199 Před 3 lety +3

      Your milage may vary

    • @arttukettunen5757
      @arttukettunen5757 Před 3 lety +2

      With money alone, eh but with all the assets and things earth has, absolutely.

    • @garygrinkevich6971
      @garygrinkevich6971 Před 3 lety +1

      @@toppersundquist Shit Cray Yo!

    • @alecrochon3531
      @alecrochon3531 Před 3 lety +1

      @@toppersundquist I love that

  • @chengkuoklee5734
    @chengkuoklee5734 Před 3 lety +27

    Trevor Noah once said his success was owe to Jon Steward. He said there was a limit how far hardworking can go. Without connection like Jon Steward open a door for him, he won't ended up as Daily Show Host.

    • @behr121002
      @behr121002 Před 3 lety +1

      Casting no dispersions on Trevor Noah, certainly a talent in his own right, but he's honest and makes the point well.

    • @yt_nh9347
      @yt_nh9347 Před 3 lety

      Well that is in the realm of entertainment where its all bullshit anyways. You can always work hard towards being a doctor or engineer which is based of skills and knowledge rather than nepotism

    • @WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut
      @WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut Před 3 lety

      @@yt_nh9347 Not everyone wants to work at STEM, you know, there are many professions that would probably be considered bullshit by STEM professionals like Journalism, Political Science or Sociology but they're definitely needed just as much. A good journalist for instance is one that actually has integrity, they can become corporate talking heads and get uber rich but lose integrity, therein lies a contradiction between success and money.

  • @LenaMel
    @LenaMel Před 3 lety +80

    Its worth noting that the book that coined the word "Meritocracy" was both satirical and dystopian. It wasn't supposed to be a good idea, and its inherently eugenicist.

    • @jensbrandt7207
      @jensbrandt7207 Před 3 lety +2

      What is the name of the book?

    • @toxicedge8308
      @toxicedge8308 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jensbrandt7207 Rise of The Meritocracy by Michael Young

    • @jensbrandt7207
      @jensbrandt7207 Před 2 lety

      @@toxicedge8308 Thanks!

    • @Bourikii2992
      @Bourikii2992 Před 2 lety

      Kind of like the guy who coined gender and gender theory was a pedophile murderer with Nazi level of sick experiments?

  • @arnegeybels3860
    @arnegeybels3860 Před 3 lety +54

    “The notion that “the best and the brightest” are better at governing than their less-credentialed fellow citizens is a myth born of meritocratic hubris.”
    -Michael Sandel

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 Před 3 lety

      Who is that loser?

    • @AndrewManook
      @AndrewManook Před 3 lety +2

      The US is a democracy so yeah...

    • @harrycooper5231
      @harrycooper5231 Před 3 lety +1

      And then America ended up with Trump as leader, a moron who suggested injecting household disinfectants as a cure for covid.

  • @mehdihassan8316
    @mehdihassan8316 Před 3 lety +132

    Meritocracy traps entire generations inside demeaning fears and inauthentic ambitions.

    • @christopherjohnson9167
      @christopherjohnson9167 Před 3 lety +2

      then stop being scared, believe in yourself! you can accomplish your dreams, all you need is a long term plan, commit to it, seek out all the knowledge you can find online and in school, and work your ass off. Don't chase inauthentic ambitions, look deep into your heart of what you are truly passionate about, and go for it 110%!! This is the public school system failing to teach us how to pursue our dreams, capitalism isn't to blame.

    • @sterlingmorse5409
      @sterlingmorse5409 Před 3 lety +5

      @@christopherjohnson9167 Ok Lib

    • @christopherjohnson9167
      @christopherjohnson9167 Před 3 lety +3

      @@sterlingmorse5409 try centrist, ya filthy commie

    • @banko-xv4rt
      @banko-xv4rt Před 3 lety +12

      @@christopherjohnson9167 emotions, passion and dreams won't give you a living wage

    • @tsar7761
      @tsar7761 Před 3 lety +6

      @@christopherjohnson9167 I don't believe in myself.

  • @Blankusername_01
    @Blankusername_01 Před 3 lety +61

    These videos have been an absolute godsend. The pandemic and the George Floyd protests radicalized me, and now these videos are only advancing that process.
    Mostly commenting for the algorithm, but I just want to say well done. Keep up the great work!

    • @choronos
      @choronos Před 3 lety +6

      Same here. I was a vaguely conservative liberal until the 2016 election and the subsequent events leading up until now morphed me into an anarcho-socialist. That's who I am at heart anyway. In practical terms I favor more of a democractic socialism, because I consider more and better social safety nets the logical first step towards building a better society- and anarchy is not a realistic short term goal by any means. Here are some channels that have helped me in my growth as a leftist, I hope you find them as useful as I have:
      -Some More News
      -Shaun
      -Three Arrows
      -Beau of the Fifth Column
      -Thought Slime
      -Folding Ideas
      -Philosophy Tube
      -Hbomberguy

    • @xmlthegreat
      @xmlthegreat Před 3 lety +2

      @@choronos lmao that is literally my subscriptions list (go check lol)

    • @ah_libra
      @ah_libra Před 3 lety +1

      @@choronos I will check these youtubers out. Thank you!

  • @martinfischermann6194
    @martinfischermann6194 Před 3 lety +18

    Meritocracy and inheritance are incompatible

    • @lyokianhitchhiker
      @lyokianhitchhiker Před 3 lety

      I guess the logic is that not gaming the system means you have merit.

  • @ColbyWanShinobi
    @ColbyWanShinobi Před 3 lety +19

    You: “Why don’t you setup a way of life that gives everyone a chance!”
    Capitalists: 🤣😂💀

  • @gunjfur8633
    @gunjfur8633 Před 3 lety +20

    Now Im just wondering how many ACTUAL "rags to riches" stories there are in real life

    • @demon_xd_
      @demon_xd_ Před 3 lety +2

      Most of them are actually
      “ *Rags with rich parents* to *Rags fighting over inheritance* to *rags with a massive inheritence* to *riches* “ stories

    • @inaperfectworld8087
      @inaperfectworld8087 Před 3 lety +1

      I bet it is a very , very small number.

    • @nathanielhellerstein5871
      @nathanielhellerstein5871 Před 2 lety +1

      The UK has more social mobility than the USA.

    • @Megacooltommydee
      @Megacooltommydee Před rokem

      Not much, which is why the few that do escape poverty are elevated by the media to serve as examples, despite being the exception, not the norm.

  • @thegoodsmaster
    @thegoodsmaster Před 3 lety +112

    "m in meritocracy is MONEY"- Mr Krabs

    • @user-lf8qu9un8y
      @user-lf8qu9un8y Před 3 lety +9

      No Patrik, the United States is not a meritocracy.

  • @Connor-rk8ei
    @Connor-rk8ei Před 3 lety +23

    Part of the reason I am on the left is realizing that I've had it easy. Best school district in town, college paid for, etc. Allowed me to buy a house in my mid 20's. I'll bet a lot of folks who grew up on the other side of town didn't have the same chances I did.

    • @geraldford878
      @geraldford878 Před 3 lety +1

      Sounds like guilt. Your empathy is admirable, and you will surely get a lot of praise from your lefist peers. Here's a story you can relate to: A rich and a poor fisherman are at a pier. The rich man has caught hundreds of fish, enough to feed a hundred families. The poor fisherman has caught barely enough to feed his family, but no more than that. You furiously charge the pier and push the rich man aside. You tell him he can't fish here anymore, and you turn proudly to the poor man to give him the abandoned equipment, the live bait, and most importantly the special fishing hole that the rich man was monopolizing. The poor man shakes his head in wonder. "Why do you give me all these gifts I have no love for. Knowledge is the greatest gift you can give anyone and I already know how to fish. What do you have to teach me? How to steal? But...you are not so bad because you did save that rich man. I come here every day and that guy never went home. He was going to fish here until the day he died until you chased him away."

    • @brandonwombacher2559
      @brandonwombacher2559 Před 2 lety

      Not that many I assume

  • @canyouguesswhatami8301
    @canyouguesswhatami8301 Před 3 lety +27

    Always so stoked when Second Thought uploads! Such a great and thought-provoking video. Keep it up!

  • @Cosmosisification
    @Cosmosisification Před 3 lety +14

    The real astounding part of the study is how they got 80 people to sit down and play monopoly

  • @DaughterofDiogenes
    @DaughterofDiogenes Před rokem +3

    I am someone who had intelligence and hard work ethic, but came from poverty. My entire life has been nothing but struggle and watching opportunities I worked so hard to get handed over to someone else. Now I have 90k in student loan debt, ballooned from 30k over the years with no/underemployment. The only reason I’m not in poverty now is because I was able to marry into the “middle class”. It’s crazy!

  • @user-em6ie2be7x
    @user-em6ie2be7x Před 3 lety +108

    If by Meritocracy you mean people with Money, Power, & Influence, cut to the head of line on Everything from College to Vaccines. Then Yes.😒

    • @eianfederle2715
      @eianfederle2715 Před 3 lety

      Meritocracy is the government by people of ability and skill instead of social wealth and class.

    • @mikolowiskamikolowiska4993
      @mikolowiskamikolowiska4993 Před 3 lety

      @@eianfederle2715 govt is a function wealth and class

  • @user-lf8qu9un8y
    @user-lf8qu9un8y Před 3 lety +48

    Meritocracy only works when everyone has equal opportunities to excel.

    • @phillemon7664
      @phillemon7664 Před 3 lety +10

      And a safety net as to not to kill the untalented/weak

    • @missk1697
      @missk1697 Před 3 lety +9

      @@phillemon7664 talent is a capitalist invention, much like the divine right of kings

    • @prime_optimus
      @prime_optimus Před 2 lety

      @@missk1697 "Why are you a better painter than me? Must be because of those damn capitalists."

  • @alexanderwalden376
    @alexanderwalden376 Před 3 lety +32

    Happy to be a patron, knowing that I’m sponsoring great content like this!

    • @SecondThought
      @SecondThought  Před 3 lety +10

      Thank you so much for your support! It really helps!

    • @Tybaltus
      @Tybaltus Před 3 lety +4

      as soon as I can afford to be a patron, this is where my extra dollars are going.

  • @jonathanm9436
    @jonathanm9436 Před 3 lety +8

    Agree. But:
    "there is no difference in intelligence in young children" - really?
    "socio-economic is the prime detriment of future success." Likely, but not without both luck, intelligence and diligence - see "Outliers" by Gladwell.

  • @jackbaxter2223
    @jackbaxter2223 Před 3 lety +3

    Yet another thought-provoking video. I had similar problems in college (and the later years of high school), where I was so used to coasting through on natural smarts that when I actually needed to put time and effort into studying, I was too lazy to do it and my grades suffered horribly. I ended up dropping out of university, and I admit my ego suffered quite a hit for it.

  • @TheWinterscoming
    @TheWinterscoming Před 3 lety +45

    Look at this engagement! I am engaged with this content! So soon too!

  • @discoplatypusplayz3389
    @discoplatypusplayz3389 Před 3 lety +16

    I have recently made efforts to expose myself to more conservative media. My reasons for doing so boil down to concern at potentially inhabiting an echo chamber.
    The downside to this is that I am repeatedly exposed to arguments for eugenics. In regards to this video's topic specifically, the idea that "lesser" human beings should be sterilized in order to make for a more intelligent society.
    Aside from the fact that this "lesser" includes the most hardworking people in the United States because of anti-immigrant bias, and the fact that the economy would be destroyed within a generation without the means to enact automation, I am utterly shocked that these kinds of ideas are genuinely posited by the right.

    • @alexsmith2910
      @alexsmith2910 Před 3 lety +4

      I appreciate your desire to not live in a bubble. But you are not the first to see the right is a massive lie. They are driven SOLELY by a fear of change. Every fear based off of that is still fearmongering at it's core.

    • @behr121002
      @behr121002 Před 3 lety +1

      I definitely see and accept your point about not wanting to get trapped in an echo chamber--a very commendable trait, and something of which the right could use a HUGE dose.
      However, assuming one always tries to keep and open mind and reassess, (even if the ideas and thoughts expressed in that echo chamber tend to fundamentally correct, demonstrably factual and truthful), I don't feel that one needs to go to great lengths to search out counterbalance or comparison to one's clearly more positive world view, particularly when the opposing ideas are clearly so bad for individuals and society, not to mention environment and planet, both short and long term.
      I recognize one doesn't want to entrench oneself in a closed loop of rhetoric and periodically 'poke your head out' for ideological tripping points and updates, it shouldn't take too much to see the ever-present, never changing negative entrenchments of certain ideologies, particularly when it comes to the right-wing/conservatives.

    • @ludicrousreality0
      @ludicrousreality0 Před 5 měsíci

      why is eu genics bad?

  • @bj0rnen
    @bj0rnen Před 3 lety +11

    I’m still salty about the time I played monopoly for the first time and was winning but then lost because my friends lied about the rules to screw me over

  • @christyburk6006
    @christyburk6006 Před rokem +5

    America in a nutshell: 10 players sit down to a Monopoly game board. We hand 3 players $10, 3 players $1, 3 players 0.5 cents and 1 player the entire remaining bank.
    Then we all act shocked that the player with the bank in hand wins the game, and post dozens of critique thought pieces on how he's an unqualified genius and self-made man. We raise rents to $25 on the $10 players, force the $1 players into 12 hour days for another $1 and let the .05 cent players starve in the streets while claiming how lazy they are.

  • @ALNYTheGreatScientist
    @ALNYTheGreatScientist Před 3 lety +3

    People who think only talent and hard work are enough for success are blinded by survivorship bias.

  • @dos4gwexe
    @dos4gwexe Před 3 lety +8

    I remember the study at 2:00 being covered in an old Radiolab podcast ep. There was a funny moment where they point out that the advantaged players would even make more noise when they moved their piece around and they had audio from it, where the winning player was just slamming his piece on the board as it went around

  • @PGGraham
    @PGGraham Před 3 lety +22

    Loved this on Nebula, and I've already shared this on Facebook.
    Wealth and luck. Those are the real indicators...

  • @UniquelyUnseen
    @UniquelyUnseen Před 3 lety +18

    As someone who grew up in a "rich" part of the East Coast with a lot of wealth inequality, something I've noticed is the fact that some groups of immigrants (largely from Canada, EU, Asia) will disregard the basic facts of life here for those not born into wealth. Being from the northeast, I was constantly asked how many supercars my family owned without a hint of irony, when I grew up in an old factory town. Many people who come from a non-STEM background (& some that do, mostly South Asians) have an insane difficulty actually attaining permanent status to reside here. There's money to be made, but not for the majority and the chorus of "LeArN HoW tO CoDE" screams of people so enthralled in tech they can't understand basic political/social concepts. If you are able to immigrate to the United States, chances are you are insulated from the poverty and lack of mobility experienced by most Americans. Meritocracy only exists as a fiction for these people.

  • @LiteStyle0o
    @LiteStyle0o Před 3 lety +2

    Your dedication, honesty & effort toward shattering the 'box' of American perception will go down in my history book as a true pioneer... maybe it's the youtube algorithm that lead us to your channel, but it's your character & integrity that keep me watching & sharing your messages.

  • @honeybellebuzlucay5867
    @honeybellebuzlucay5867 Před 3 lety +9

    To all the people who think The Bell Curve is an honest study, I highly recommend watching Shaun's video on it!

  • @user1138-k5v
    @user1138-k5v Před 3 lety +23

    My mom was an illegal immigrant, my dad is black and an immigrant as well; both from poor backgrounds. Now they’re rich capitalists. They exploit people’s surplus value and land. It’s near impossible trying to change their mind

    • @davidemmyg
      @davidemmyg Před 3 lety +5

      Thats the allure of capitalism, it gives a small reward for being selfish and keeps you hoping. Its like making the first sales in a ponzi pyramid scheme

    • @user1138-k5v
      @user1138-k5v Před 3 lety

      @@davidemmyg yup I realized this awhile ago

  • @mickeyg7219
    @mickeyg7219 Před 3 lety +21

    Kids from rich family can start a business, failed (and they often do), they can just wait for a while before their parents give them another million to try again. However, for most people, if they can afford to start a business at all, if they failed, it usually means they'll remain poor for the rest of their life. And another thing, telling people to go "start a business" to get rich is just a way of telling people that you either have to exploit other people or become exploited. This is how many working-class Americans, some are small business owners, are working against their interests just simply because they think they're going to become a billionaire one day, a chance no better than winning a lottery. There are studies that indicated that senior positions in business are 3-4 times more likely to be a psychopath (Robert D. Hare, criminal psychologist), and could be as high as 10% in other studies (2011 Australian study).

    • @Tybaltus
      @Tybaltus Před 3 lety +3

      this is so true. I take the time to get to know small business owners before I support them, met so many people who came from affluent families and most of the time thats one of multiple businesses they own. Your comment is spot on!

  • @juliangarcia46
    @juliangarcia46 Před 3 lety +16

    Thanks for the content Second Thought. You have changed at least one apathetic person who doesn't think they have power to see what they can do. I could have gone one of two ways. Angry and empathetic or angry and yearning for a dictator. Thank you sincerely.

  • @robbiealderton1361
    @robbiealderton1361 Před 3 lety +6

    What I learned from this video is that if my millionaire parents don't pay for my college that I am screwed in this day and age. Kinda sad that's how it works

  • @willval21
    @willval21 Před 3 lety +2

    I will have to watch this video in full later, but Michael J. Sandel from Harvard has a book that goes over meritocracy. To briefly oversummarize, the main point I love is how he looks at how people today see it as a good thing but even the man who coined the term meant it in a dystopian fashion. Key take away is to question the systems and ideas around you. They may seem good on paper but they sometimes have many flaws otherwise.

  • @bucketslash11
    @bucketslash11 Před 3 lety +41

    "meritocracy" was coined by a UK Labour politician in a book written about a dystopia

    • @raskolnikov8644
      @raskolnikov8644 Před 3 lety +1

      name of the book? sounds interesting

    • @bucketslash11
      @bucketslash11 Před 3 lety +3

      @@raskolnikov8644 literally that "meritocracy"

    • @user-lf8qu9un8y
      @user-lf8qu9un8y Před 3 lety

      Before or after Blair fucked up the party?

    • @chafiqbantla1816
      @chafiqbantla1816 Před 3 lety

      Watch the show on netflix "3%" they show the struggles of a real meritocracy

    • @bucketslash11
      @bucketslash11 Před 3 lety

      @@user-lf8qu9un8y before, it was in the 70s i believe

  • @PurpleLemurs
    @PurpleLemurs Před 3 lety +13

    I’m from a well off background, as well. It’s taken a lot of deprogramming, even though my parents are liberal. I’m scared to support myself on my own. I know I don’t work nearly as hard as my friends who aren’t as wealthy and I do feel guilty about it. Basically I’m upper middle class and I went to a public high school that was mostly lower middle, working class, or even below that, so I’ve always been painfully aware of my wealth. Your channel really helps and it’s nice to know we come from similar backgrounds and have the same thoughts on capitalism.

  • @windyvidz4434
    @windyvidz4434 Před 3 lety +44

    I love how @SecondThought makes zero effort to hide any of his privilege, and acknowledge where we have it good (Living a more humble/sustainable life is the direction we should be moving in though.) Being a socialist isn't about lowering your own status to the poor. It's about empowering and raising the poor out of their conditions. Love the content! God bless ya

    • @SecondThought
      @SecondThought  Před 3 lety +17

      Thanks! Everyone has a role to play.

    • @behr121002
      @behr121002 Před 3 lety +2

      Well said.

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 Před 3 lety

      Empowering and raising up the poor HOW?

    • @windyvidz4434
      @windyvidz4434 Před 3 lety

      @@marlonmoncrieffe0728 Redistribution of wealth with a heavy focus of improving social safety nets. If the very few didn't live so beyond their needs, there would be more than enough resources for everyone so nobody has to suffer.

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 Před 3 lety

      @@windyvidz4434 WHICH social safety nets?
      And the rich do NOT lives beyond their MEANS. Did you mean NEEDS?
      WHICH resources? How are they suffering?

  • @thomasridley8675
    @thomasridley8675 Před 3 lety +2

    Luck is very undervalued in
    moving up.
    Being at the right place at the right time has a lot too do with it.
    My son worked his way up to regional service manager for a copier company. And when the company split. He was taken in as general manager for the new company.
    If the company had not spit. His chances of further advancement was slim.

  • @xsellepoch9954
    @xsellepoch9954 Před 3 lety +17

    Quick thing but I just wanted to point out that if things like “talent” and “natural intelligence” play a role in whether people succeed or not, that alone already disproves the concept of a meritocracy. You don’t need to say anything more past that.

  • @firenter
    @firenter Před 3 lety +9

    Man, I coasted both through school and college and got a degree that landed me a job that's always in demand and pays well (I make almost as much as my parents combined)
    I bought my own apartment at 25 because a college education doesn't send you into debt around here, I can save money every month and I can afford a surprise big bill if it ever comes.
    Capitalism/meritocracy would have you believe I'd be a successful and thus happy person, in my eyes I am neither of these things.
    My job is barely above entry level for my degree, I don't feel like there are any proper growth oportunities and it's become boring to boot
    I don't see a way out of this slow descent into depression other than radically changing it up but that would require me to figure out how to not slip into poverty at the same time

  • @moxi_floxi
    @moxi_floxi Před 3 lety +19

    Another part of it (in my personal experience) with applying for jobs is how you present yourself and "who you know." Depending on your educational background and specific circumstances, sometimes having a solid resume/CV or cover letter matters more than your actual skills in even just getting an interview, or who your letters of recommendation came from (i.e someone who's reputable). Hiring practices in the context of a meritocracy are very complicated and I'm obviously oversimplifying, but navigating the job market can be very challenging without the resources or know-how to present oneself as a strong applicant, which goes back to socioeconomic disparities.

    • @johnwalker1058
      @johnwalker1058 Před 3 lety +2

      Sadly, a bit of nuance like this lovely explanation of one of the difficulties of navigating job searches is something that seems lost on the people who look at someone struggling with employment and simply say "well, just get a job!" or "well, just apply harder!"

  • @florida12341000
    @florida12341000 Před 3 lety +4

    My family is pretty poor. I was raised in a trailer growing up but now im over here making a shit ton of money but still to this day i recognize that I was and am incredibly lucky. I did work hard and had a nack for technology but at the end of the day I got very lucky with my grandparents supporting me, with randomly stumbling into fields, with having someone to fall back on if i fail.

  • @stayelusive
    @stayelusive Před 3 lety +2

    The concept of meritocracy also poisons social circles, people overly value talent and intelligence and other signifiers of superiority when seeking out friendships, so people who outwardly lack these things fade out of existence. This leads to people wearing their achievements on their sleeves and boasting on social media so they wont be forgotten.

    • @marlonmoncrieffe0728
      @marlonmoncrieffe0728 Před 3 lety

      😂 The excuses some people come up with to defend their mediocrity!

  • @user-qi6pv9jh7o
    @user-qi6pv9jh7o Před 7 měsíci +1

    Psychological studies say that "laziness" doesn't exist.
    What we consider as one is:
    1. Being too distracted and/or exhausted by phone
    2. Not seeing any sense or progress in working
    3. Having no energy
    The cure: wait 10-30 minutes doing _nothing at all._ (no meditation, just sit and wait). You will get ready to do what you felt lazy to do, just in order to do anything.

  • @KenanAdhari2000
    @KenanAdhari2000 Před 3 lety +4

    It’s always interesting to watch your videos!!!
    Thank you for your brilliant work!!!

  • @MrEnvisioner
    @MrEnvisioner Před 3 lety +5

    Great video as always

  • @kenwal
    @kenwal Před 3 lety +23

    This is the problem that many Americans have they cant understand how their situation has helped them get through life while someone else situation that is less fortunate makes it alot harder.great vide!

  • @quackerzdb
    @quackerzdb Před 3 lety +6

    “I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.”
    Stephen Jay Gould

    • @xray5984
      @xray5984 Před 2 lety +2

      @@thomasmaughan4798 hundreds of comments on this channel, all contributing nothing or less. Brilliant.

  • @SpoonLady
    @SpoonLady Před 3 lety +17

    I was also adopted, and can completely relate with you there. Thanks for the brief glimpse into your life - :)

  • @artichokethejoke1563
    @artichokethejoke1563 Před 3 lety +59

    Can't wait to watch, I'll have to take a minute though

  • @visu550
    @visu550 Před 3 lety +8

    Keep doing what you’re doing

  • @mehdihassan8316
    @mehdihassan8316 Před 3 lety +5

    Meritocracy led to many students committing sui-cide because of failing grades in Asia.

  • @ellalily2109
    @ellalily2109 Před 3 lety +40

    God's greatest gift to man is the freedom of choice. The freedom to choose between Good and bad, success and failure. The income you get depends wholly on the personal decisions you take

    • @avaemily538
      @avaemily538 Před 3 lety

      God got the best plan for our financial growth and freedom

    • @avaemily538
      @avaemily538 Před 3 lety

      It will take time for things to come back to it's normal State, people's jobs were really lost

    • @oliviasophie5527
      @oliviasophie5527 Před 3 lety

      @@avaemily538 God is really intervening on this present issue of unemployment and various jobs lost.

    • @oliviasophie5527
      @oliviasophie5527 Před 3 lety

      I make cool money from Bitcoin trades

    • @bobbyeliot8448
      @bobbyeliot8448 Před 3 lety

      @@oliviasophie5527 I've heard different news about Bitcoin and how tricky it is but people still say it's safe.

  • @bakh554321
    @bakh554321 Před 3 lety +2

    Funny how it was the Nasa with Army budget video was the one that helped me find you.