My painless new FOREHAND FORM (Disc Pivot)
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I used to throw sidearm, like A LOT. I also used to bench press and bicep curl and do all the wrong things to mess up my shoulders so that the last five years I've had to pass forehand shots almost completely.
Lately though I have developed quite an easy and effortless substitute. I am not able to throw big lines anymore. Those days are gone. But now I am able to throw nice little sidearm shots, that will help tremendously on the course. And most importantly, they don't hurt and I don't have to be scared of pain like used to be.
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This is the only side arm video you need to watch (at least until Jaani makes another one).
Story time: I've only thrown sidearm during the entire time I've played disc golf (3-4 years). I was of the school of Stokely, karate chopping, or baseball pitching stable discs, which, to be fair, isn't the worst way to throw, but do you really wanna watch a pitch count?
Besides, I'm not very athletic, and when the golf/tennis elbow and shoulder pain started hitting me, I was worried about the longevity of my amateur disc slinging career. This is a hobby. I chuck for fun. And I want to for many years to come.
Switching to the "gentleman's sidearm" was not something I ever considered. It feels beyond awkward. The grip is strangely loose. The "hinge" movement takes quite a bit of trust. But, honestly, just trust the Doctor. With fewer throws than I ever imagined, I was popping off flicks like a boss. Ok, tiny hyperbole. But trust me, it just clicked.
Yes it felt wrong and awkward. And I really struggled with tight and downhill lines. But when something feels this good, you just gotta trust the feeling.
Like E.E Cummings said: "since feeling is first who pays any attention to the syntax of things will never wholly kiss you."
So, with all my heart, I cannot recommend giving this form a whirl. It'll be strange, but it just might click instantly. And that epiphany might change your entire life.
Or maybe you'll just have a lot more fun flicking circles. 💙🤙
I don't know anything about throwing plastic, but just listen to the Doctor of Spin. Thanks, again, Dr. Jaani 🙇♂️
Just wow. Thank you so much for your words 🧡💛❤️
This commentator is right on. Jaani’s “Gentleman’s Forehand” is the easiest way to throw a flick. I have always been amazed how well they do when kids throw this way. I tried for fun when playing a solo round the other day, and all came out with good pop. Only one didn’t hit the mark. In terms of distance, it was just about 30 feet (about 10 meters) less than usual, but I’m sure they’ll get closer with practice.
I first learned to throw with my hand flat (better with understable discs and overall more accurate), then learned the ball throwing method (better with overstable discs and overall more distance). Jaani’s method works well with all types of discs.
As he said, this method is much easier on your arm and shoulder. I’m think I’ll be switching to primarily this way of throwing sidearm. Eagle and Simon need to learn how to throw like this!
Janni, please consider a video on implementing a “strong brace” for the Gentleman’s Forehand.
@@joeblow2426 Thanks! Leg work for sidearm is coming at some point, for sure!
I would bet more than 50% of people would actually gain distance with this technique rather than sacrificing it. Most people muscle it too much which limits distance just like backhand. You can also do this with a stacked grip. It’s basically what I do. If you can figure out the loose wrist with a tight pinch, you’ll get more distance than you think. I’m sidearm dominant and when I really rip one it usually feels effortless except for the last moment when my middle finger actually feels like it’s trying to hold onto the rim.
My 8 year old son holds his disc like that and has a great sidearm (has 10x better accuracy than I do with decent distance). I've always wanted to correct him and tell him to hold it the way the pros do, but I haven't because he seems to be making it work. It's cool to know that he stumbled upon a legitimate technique, and he won't be messing up his arm!
My teenage son started his forehand like that and I tried to correct it and he continued in this way and is a good forehander. Even putters!
I employ this technique often so I'm glad you are teaching this as it validates my performance. Thank you
That's what I'm here for, fellow gentleman.
Is it possible for you to make a more in depth video ( I apologize if you already have) regarding finger and thumb placement as well as if there is a need to apply pressure via the thumb on the top plate
I just stumbled on to this channel a couple days ago. I can't believe I've never come across it before because I've searched and searched and watched hundreds of hours of form videos. I think this is the best content I've seen. Thank you. I believe your channel is really going to take off.
Thanks! It's not long since I really started to make content in english, so there is the reason. Thank you for watching!
I need a "doesn't hurt your elbow" sidearm video :(
I blew out my right shoulder years ago weight lifting, and have never been able to throw a comfortable sidearm. I'm going to try this out. Thank you so much!
No probs. I hope this helps you as it helped me. The shoulder twist is bad, and this is my way to go around it to the best of my abilities.
Thanx doc i will be trying it out for sure😊
I've been waiting for a forehand video every since I discovered your English content, and I gotta say, it does not disappoint.
Thank you, I'm old and this technique should help me play better and longer
I hope you will!
Cool - recognize this dude from his inspiring IG posts, subbed ! Will excuse the past sins of bench press and curls, I too was a sinner in the early days. That metric and imperial map was a shocker, so much insanity with this new metric thing. lol. I Like the forehand re-do, my elbow and shoulder have hurt constantly for years. Will try this tomorrow after I round a few backhands !
You sure have a knack for making perfect sense. Thank you.
Awesome throwing tips. I’m looking forward to implementing this in my field work. I have been avoiding forehand practice as I injured my shoulder before too.
Thanks dude!
This is a very good tip, I've been applying it to my backhand and getting much more snap and spin.
Just went out earlier to try this, and it definitely works!
I freakin love your videos. Awsome job brother.
Can't wait to try this! I dislocated my shoulder a few years back and avoid sidearm because of it. But now I can use this method and not get hurt! Thank you!
Love your channel and content
I am definitely going to give this technique a try. Very helpful demonstration, keep up the good work.
Hope it helps!
You're amazing!!
No, you are!
I’ve just been playing for about a month and my forehand is garbage. A friend suggested to just try short throws with wrist/forearm snap only. It was still garbage. I sort of discovered this same technique just playing around. If I don’t TRY to throw hard at all it works pretty good out to 30-40 meters but as soon as I try to put some power behind it it falls apart. I wasn’t sure if it was a good technique though, it’s good to know it can work, I’m going to keep practicing it!
Exactly. Don't try to throw hard, but instead try to focus on "intensity" or what ever substitute makes you not think about POWER but efficiency to keep the form smooth.
Worked instantly!! My 11 year old son was able to throw it about 285ft.
Oh wow!
this is an interesting concept. i had to use a similar grip on my backhand (pointer finger/thumb OR first teo fongers and thimb) and putt (second/middle finger and thumb with first finger as guide on disc rim) and had great results. the key, imho, is to draw the disc back in the exact opposite direction of the throw to keep the disc in-plane. that way it doesn't wobble, even though you ate no longer supporting tge disc with your hand. power grip adds the other fingers, but JUST for support. "tip of the whip," dave says. he fails to say "pinch grip between thumb and finger ALLOWS this whip action. good job figuring this out and executing. how are those five radars working out?
Is the disc not tucked into the thumb / palm V area like a “pro” grip? Does the disc move back when you accelerate forward?
I actually used a similar technique yesterday on a short scramble sidearm and it went so much further than I expected. Wondering how it might go off the tee
I need to try this with my 23Bs. Big problems to throw sidearm with those.
I just found your channel man and I love it. The way you describe things you’re teaching is perfect. Do you do form reviews?
Thanks! I am, send me a DM on Instagram. Some of them I would like to use on my videos, too.
cool thank you man
I have never been able to throw forehand. But after i tryed your technique i have a 75-80m forehand
I don't have a forehand shot right now as I have always had pain in my shoulder when trying to do it. I am going to give this a try. this looks very doable. Thank you for the great video..
I hope it helps. It minimises the lag and focuses just on the fingers.
I actually tried this form during fieldwork today and was stunned to see discs fly ~80m with a flick of a wrist. Also first time was able to feel the disc popping out my hand.
Nice! It is super easy and relaxed way to throw, albeit maybe not the most powerful.
I can't believe how effortlessly you threw that eagle to hundred meters. Looks like I have been doing it wrong all the time.
On the other hand, that is my max.
And your launch actually is quite fast. May be simple but that acceleration is certainly there
Great to see another bigger (build) guy in disc golf. It seems like everyone is either lanky, or a short blob. I am 1.95m 117kg and have only been in disc golf since September. I thought it was going to be cake for me to just muscle the disc far, but was quickly humbled. I have only concentrated on backhand, and completely lost my forehand. About a month ago started a new backhand form change. This time around I'm going to try and build both up together and evenly. Would you recommend this, or do what I did before and build only one first?
Doesn't matter, I guess. I would start them both with relaxed and controlled, 50% shots maybe. Then add power without loosing the control.
You arrived at pretty much the same grip as I, albeit for me the reason was more that I couldn't get the discs cleanly released without off axis torque with the stack or similar grip.
Yes, everyone's fingers are different shaped and move a little differently. There is no universal cheat code.
Hey Jaani i hope to meet you in Varazdin Drava Forster this year, are you coming? :) Your videos are awesome! Very, very helpful, thank you for sharing your knowledge with all of us!
Hey! Let's see. I feel like my competing days are over, but we never know.
Intresting. I thought that the 40 pounds i put on might have something to do with my form being all out of wack. I've gotten my distance pretty much back, but the accuracy and confidence i had is still not there yet. So maybe losing those 40 pounds would help my form a bit.
Injuries to the shoulder or arm from backhand or forehand happen when using the muscles in the shoulder and arm to THROW. 95% of amateur players throw the disc.
Unlearning throwing, replacing it with with conservation of momentum (whipping) takes work.
I disagree about giving up distance, just the opposite, the pros use a whipping action. It takes practice and training to generate and channel linear force into a big, moble stride, then brace at the optimal moment to whip the disc.
Powerful forehands take more thrust and lower body mobility than backhand do. It is less about shoulder mobility than people think. Of course, it helps.
Going frame by frame it is still the exact same elbow lead (6:08 the disc is behing your body but elbow in front of trunk. I guess you just stopped late cocking and focused on a smother swing. I can sit and flick a disc around 40-50m with just the wrist and fingers so you really dont need all that much arm speed to get around 100m.
Forehand is all about a smooth arm action and fast finger/wrist pop.
True. Like I said, I may look like I do it, but I am not forcing it and the movement is honestly quite minimal and slow.
@@dgspindoctor getting the elbow in front is really what enables a safe forehand throw. I wouldnt say it is very minimal rather it is more smooth and anatomically correct. The only other way to throw is to stick the elbow to the hip and hinge at the elbow. This is by far the worst way to throw since it really locks the shoulder joint and all rotaitional force will sideload the elbow and shoulder joint. This is a very common beginner misstake after seeing someone like sexton throw, which unless seen frame by frame really looks like he just sets the elbow at the hip and fires.
For me I think of the forehand more a like to heaving a bag then throwing. If you want to heav something heavy you really feel how you need to load the joint to even be able to begin shifting the weight.
But yes I understand what you mean to not force it which I think was you really starting to feel that proper arm movement which is much more about steady acceleration and smoothness then speed.
I litterally doubled my distance and cut out almost all pain in one throw when I found this feeling of not forcing and just "heav" it and pop the wrist. Engaging the lower body and hips is key result from my "heaving" as this is what you do when heaving something heavy, the arm is just the last sauce on top!
Great comment, thank you!
I’ve thrown like this for years. My buddy noticed the disc was not in the web of my hand and questioned it. I told him I feel the weight of the disc better and I like it for touch or flip up hyzers…
It's a great way to throw controlled sidearm, for sure!
I have an old rotator cuff injury that has prevented me from ever throwing forehands since I started playing two years ago. I hope this helps me, even just being able to throw some upshots 100-150 ft would be wonderful.
Yea, been there. Painful! Forehands are not meant for humans.
How hard do you grip the disk? Do you ever let up on your grip at the end of the release?
I feel like I never get snap on forehand. It seems like it slips out weakly.
thanks for the great videos!
I try not to grip hard, more like form a hook out of my fingers.
I gotta figure this out. I'd be happy with 250' of forehand distance!
What do you do for chest if you no longer bench press? I injured my shoulder doing the same things. Have you found any exercises that alleviate the pain for DG or lifting?
I do narrow push ups, keeping the elbows close to my body. Mostly bodyweight exercises but even then I get mild pinching on my shoulder. I'll live with that.
How much pressure, if any, are you putting on the thumb? And you don’t have the disc pushed into the “V” between thumb and index finger correct?
The question of how much is always difficult. The answer is always enough, but not too much. Doesn't help to tell you this.
No, the disc really dangles in my fingers to really pivot and not get stuck. So I use the momentum the disc and try not to muscle at all, being almost too careful nowadays. I hope my shoulder gets better so that I can start ripping a little more, but I will keep the disc pivot in mind, still.
Hey Doc! Great video. Question.. are you pinching the thumb and the middle finger on the flight plate or in the corner where the flight plate and the rim meet? Hopefully this can help me finally produce a consistent forehand!
Flight plate. The rim is not grippy enough.
@@dgspindoctor thanks for the reply! I keep putting my hand in the “normal” grip for a forehand. I have to rethink the way I throw. You make a lot of sense with this new way. Thanks you!
The normal grip just adds the lag and gives you more power, I guess. The lag is what's killing my shoulder, so this is more compact.
@@dgspindoctor thanks to your tips I was able to make a 150ft throw-in! Sidearm!
Shocking how well I threw. more often without OAT.
OAT is madden to me.
I've always hated the power grip, but it works quite well actually. I've always shoved the disc deep in my thumb web,but i feel like I don't have a pinch point for rotation to occur. I'm sticking with your way. I laugh when you say sacrifice distance. I've gained distance!
thanks
Yes, thanks! I definitely lost some distance, but I was also throwing quite far before all the injuries.
That was an awesome Eagle throw and only a 7 speed. What weight are you using? 160'sg?
It was a 174g.
Does this work well with hyzer and anhyzer releases? I play a lot of woods courses that need those!
Of course it does!
I tried this (have a bad shoulder myself), but I had a really hard time controlling the angle. Any tips for that?
Sorry man, hard to say without seeing.
I legit went from 270max power to 325 in a tiny walk-up approach in a day lol it's so much easier and now forehanding holes that I never even would've attempted that shot before. I'm a RHBH dominant player (425ft) and this totally helped balance out my game
That is just great!
Killer tip. I can finally try sidearm throws without needing a chiropractor appointment after.
I am American and I give a like for the American roast.
Do you use your fingers at the end to generate spin?
Not consciously.
Do you do online form coaching? Need some help for more consistency and distance for backhand.
I check videos and give a few pointers on Instagram, for now.
Will that technique transfer to back hand throws?
Naah, not really. The grip is too different, though eventually the disc does rip out from your index finger only.
This sounds good. I just started a couple of years ago and I'm struggling a bit with the sidearm, but if you go to 6:07 and go frame by frame into 6:08 you can still see that the elbow is way ahead of the disc at one moment. So I don't really the understand the difference. It seems to be mostly the grip? Seems to be working for you though so I'll give it a shot.
It is mostly about not forcing the movement to avoid over doing it.
@@dgspindoctor Thanks! Yeah, it looks softer than the usual form and probably more sustainable.
I hope so.
My forehand has been trash for ages and I was popping em out to 310 yesterday no sweat. Awesome vid.
This is great! I am glad I could help you!
Looks a lot like Hokom's form. Cool!
Is that a compliment?? 😀
@@dgspindoctor Yeah! 😊 She has that same kind of loose, dangling pivot in her hand, and even when she throws a full power shot, it still looks effortless and smooth like yours.
Genius. You deserve 100K, no 500K followers. This is revolutionary. You should set up a Patreon
Oh, thanks! I think I just package the old info to new wrappers, but I'm glad you like it!
Seems like this technique creates a lot of free lag, keeping the disc loose and allowing it to pivot fully backward can basically cheat free lag some of us struggle to achieve through mobility at the wrist elbow and shoulder. Your elbow is leading the disc here but you arent forcing uncomfortable positions to achieve that lag like the pros do. I’ve always gripped the disc solidly for forehand throws and have never gotten good pop out of the hand, topping out under 300. As a lefty the number of 330 foot right to left dog legs can be disheartening, not being able to throw that consistent bend makes it really hard to score well at all these righty favored courses. Thanks a lot for sharing, I’m interested to really work on my forehand for a bit.
Yes, the lag is minimal and mostly in the disc itself.
I know this is a back hand question and kinda long , but since this is your most recent video, I hope you'll forgive that.
Recently, I have discovered what muscling is. I had heard of it before, but didn't have a firm understanding of it.
Now that I'm not muscling the shot by trying to apply power the entire downswing, I have eliminated one of my big problems, turning everything over.
I realized once you pull the trigger on the throw, all you can really do with the hand/arm is hold on to the disc.
It has done a lot for my driving, but the improvement in my putting has been tremendous. I went from putting up +10, +12 rounds to achieving my personal best on a big course, which is now +2.
However, I really seem to have hit a wall on distance. Where I really used to muscle the disc forward to add speed, I can't really figure out how to gas up the throw.
I'm fairly accurate on upshots and can easily hit around 350 with a beat in wraith. When I try to gas it up though to go for bigger shots, I am unsure of how to create a strong horizonal force to increase the speed of the throw.
Any advice?
You are forgiven.
It's impossible to know what causes the lack of power. The arm is still the tip of the whip, and it has to be fast. No matter how fast you body is, if the arm is slow. I can't help you without knowing what you do, sorry.
@@dgspindoctor I understand it is difficult to diagnose specific issues.
In general though, if you are trying to throw the disc faster, and you aren't pulling with your arm to create the speed, what are you doing to create the speed?
If you don't use your arm at all, it will "collapse" to your chest and will be slow. It feels like you don't use the arm, but you do have to use the arm, a lot. Muscling is more like not letting the arm move freely, because the body is tense and the weight on the back leg. My take is, that the arm is 100% of the throw, and you can only make it slower with wrong moves with the body. I repeat: You have to use the arm, and make the body move so that it doesn't make it slower.
@@dgspindoctor I think maybe we have different meanings when we talk about using the arm. I keep my shoulder pressed forward, the same as you would if extending your arm for a handshake so I never have it collapse. To me this is not an active movement with the arm, just the position I keep my shoulder.
If I'm using the hand/arm to do more hold on to the disc, how exactly am I supposed to be using it?
Check my arm video, there I explain and show what I mean.
I love this dude! Like taking lessons from a Colombian jeffrey dahmer,jk haha. Just playing great stuff!😎
Hehe, actually Finnish Dahmer in Colombia, but I like image.
Although I do lead with the elbow, this is the first time I've seen someone else grip the forehand like me with the same emphasis on pivoting off the ends of the fingers. I have a (maybe bad because of the reproducibility) habit of pivoting the disc back and forth during the swing to get the feel of it pivoting.
One throw of mine here: czcams.com/video/89TTMcK5C44/video.html
You're still muscling it, but you have the right ideas
I am not an ideal, nor can I actually play disc golf of even throw the disc. I know that, and that is why I have quit competing and only teach now. I try to help others to play better, and don't consider myself disc golfer, at all. But thanks for pointing this out. Can you tell me how to fix this problem, so that I can teach it?
@@dgspindoctor sure! If you watch competitive swimmers, they create a lag with body positioning that allows for the most effective stroke. That is, to move the most water with the least effort. Starting your swing plane with a little more hyzer should have your off shoulder (your left) slightly crunch in as you load the disc into its pivot position. As you open your off shoulder, you create a wider power lane for your throw as well as initiating a motion which promotes a clean plane through release and follow through. Like I said, you're definitely on the right path, you're not doing much wrong. Keep up the great work!
@@dgspindoctor czcams.com/video/MrFt6JHii8w/video.html
That might help you visualize the lag better
Okay, I see. But I specifically try NOT to create lag. Because the lag itself is hurting. But I'll of course check out the link.
This looks a little bit like Simon's forehand. I know he had some elbow issues a few years ago. I might be completely wrong though haha.. but it seems like Simon doesn't completely sling it like the other guys.
I would take his sidearm anyday!
I lift and tore my labrum throwing 400' forehands. I'm getting back to throwing forehand, but I can't break 300' yet.
Just take it easy until you feel comfortable adding more power.
Toivottavasti tällä tekniikalla Fore alkais lentää vähän pidemmälle ku sen hikiset 40 metriä antsassa, tuntuu että olkapää jotenkin lukittuu jolloin voima jää pois juuri sen takia että yritän ryntätä sitä kiekkoa täysiä jolloin kiekko myös yleensä lentää suoraan maahan, pitää kokeilla tollei rennosti heittoa tässä joku päivä.
So, out of curiosity, did you get into disc golf or lifting first?
I started disc golf in 2000 at the age of 14, and after a few years of playing I wanted to get more distance. No teaching was available, it was all "pull as hard as you can" and nothing but the upper body. So...naturally, improving technique wasn't the way. Back then the biggest arm and Distance WR holder was Christian Sandström, also fitness competitor, so of course I thought you need big muscles to throw far. So I started to lift a lot, and eat alot. Also worked as a moving man, carrying heavy stuff like pianos. Basically wore my body to tears, and that's about it. I peaked my bench press to 297lbs (135kg) about the same time I developed my yips. There is a connection.
@@dgspindoctor Ok! Yes I guess the lesson to learn is to manage volume, if you're already doing tons of disc golf and then start doing strength training it's a good idea to add slowly and even cut back on disc golf for a while. Sadly, that's something that doesn't cross one's mind when you're young. 🙂
On the flip side, if you're already strong you need to be careful with new sports as well because you can put a lot of power into positions you're not used to. I think this is even more true for forehand than backhand.
I'm trying to learn forehand but I already have a bunch of elbow issues from other sports so I want to be as careful as possible about it. Trying to focus on throwing smooth and not thinking about distance. I'll try your tip in this video for sure!
I try to tell this to kids, but they won't listen. It's so black and white. They think "more power is more distance" and that the strength training is only an add-on, but they will learn at some point, that more is not always more. I learned it the hard way.
Sori, ei nyt jaksa kirjoittaa englanniksi.
Minulla on ollut kämmenheitto ainoastaan hätätapauksia varten, siis tilanteisiin, joissa ei ole muuta vaihtoehtoa. Eilen kokeilin tätä tekniikkaa, ja se tuntui heti paljon luontevammalta kuin mikään aiempi yritys. 15 min kokeilun jälkeen uskalsin jopa käyttää sitä suoraan viikkokisassa tiiltä, onnistuneesti.
Jo lähtökohta kuulosti hyvältä, sillä olen loukannut olkapääni lentopallossa viime 90-luvulla ja olen muutenkin tällainen vankkarakenteinen, kankea (= notkean vastakohta) ja lisäksi vielä nivelenikin ovat aliliikkuvat. Minulle jo ajatus siitä, että kyynärpään pitäisi kulkea edellä, kuulostaa tuskalliselta.
Lyhyesti sanottuna: tällä tavalla kämmenheitto tuntuu mielekkäältä ja oletan saavani senkin järkevästi mukaan repertuaariini.
Kiitos Jaani!
Could this form suits for PAKKOTOISTO ? 😊
Probably!
This is just a regular sidearm throw... The only thing different is the loose grip.
Weird that I injured my (armpit?) and threw my forehands similar to this today. Video came at the perfect time, thanks again Doc
It's kind of a safety mode for me. Bugs to go like this, but until the shoulder is better, can't do better.
Very racket sport-like in execution, especially tennis. Now I'm wondering if people have had success with this sort of thing on their backhands 🤔
It's possible to swing like that also with the backhand, but I only use it as a drill for my clients. However, Robbie Bratten used a two finger grip and threw over 700ft and held the speed record before Simon, so disc pivot definitely is a thing.
Thank you for this! My shoulder is bad enough that i can no longer throw a baseball. But I can launch a disc again! And no pain!
I assume I gain distance. Just had painful start to understand how to get distance on sidearms. Getting better but the first throws in my garden with just a movement went 40m on a putter guess at 15% possible speed😅. Finish my work and then I will go out and rip some discs. Let u know what happened.
Ok distance works effortless but I spread discs all over the place😀 shaping seems a challenge but will continue this as session to see if I can train this. It is good to avoid failure through ripping too much for sure
Do you happen to have any time for one-on-one lessons? Would be very useful!
This summer I will be back in Finland and will be available for some lessons. I am glad to help.
I have had problems with my shoulder when throwing forehand, i am going to try this out. Before i got injured, i learned a lot from Ryan Sheldon about forehand shot, especially the grip and the footwork required to throw really far
His video is very good!
Do you have any tips on throwing nose down? There are a billion mind tricks and tips on the internet, some that works good, some that works bad. Is it something that you should think about or is it just something that happens automatically when all other dominoes fall perfectly? I'd love your thoughts on it :)
Try the pivot grip. Both backhand and forehand. I find it's hard to throw nose up with that grip, and once you get the feeling with that, you can change back to your normal grip if you want to. Tell me how it goes!
Are you familiar with disc golf ''coach'' named Sling Shot Disc Golf, would be interesting to hear your thoughts about his teaching method, especially about back leg disc golf that he likes to talk about because it is kind the opposite way of teaching compared to you. And thanks to you for all your videos. I've learned a lot!
He seems to be very well liked and helped many beginners to throw. I honestly think his method is harmful and wrong, but if it makes people throw better, who am I to judge. I would never, ever (again) teach anything similar to his style, including the rear arm stuff.
@@dgspindoctor Exactly what I was thinking about when I saw that video, thanks for the quick answer.
Been searching for good low effort FOREHAND form BEFORE risking injury, thanks for this. I watched, Stokely, Sexton, and yeah they are top pros, but their form is not for the everday person ( i think ) I invented my own backhand style and based it on what not to do ( others injury ) and how to do with the least effort. This video is in line with my style, will try it and comment again, currently throw right and left backhand, rarely ever forehand.
Would LIKE to see this form from the Side and the Front View. Because at 5:17 this view looks like your elbow is leading with a fully cocked wrist.
The elbow leads, but very little. It is almost impossible not the lead, also in the backhand, whether you try or not. But the intention here is the point, and the grip.
Those pictures of eagle throwing sidearm were the reason why I gave up sidearm. That just looks messed up, lol
It is, and it got even more messed up.
Eagle had to give it up too
yah man no need to pivot so hard; just use an understable disc and let it flip up!
Eagle didnt mess up his arm doing a normal throw. He was doing a photo shoot, the videographer asked him to do a 360 forehand to be dramatic. Eagle never did one before. Bad idea to try it for the first time, on the spot. Because a forehand 360 is much harder than a backhand 360, and dangerous to the arm's health.
As for the look of his normal forehand throw, it is a natural occurence when the arm is whipped with a bit of weight in the hand. Baseball pictures look the same way, just higher off the ground. The more flexibility one has, the more the hand bends back.
The key is not to throw the arm, but to whip it.
@@michaelcushman Even crazier is that he was in pain for doing that and still kept throwing 360 forehands after feeling the pain. If it hurt as bad as it looked on a video, why keep doing it. Pain usually means that stop doing it.
I'm the opposite I can throw forehand no problem but always throw my shoulder out on back hands
Well, that can happen, too!
@DG Spin Doctor yeah it's rough lol
Is this similar to how Ryan Sheldon is flicking?
I don't know, sorry.
Oh yeah, before l forget.... Nice t👁️ts! 🤣
I know, right.
@@dgspindoctor lol
OK, so I stopped the video at about 6:07 and tapped . to get to the frames of your throw.
Your elbow is forward, m8. Maybe it's more of a "don't force it, guide it" issue. Like you said, "maybe it looks like I throw like verybody elbe, but my FOCUS is on the [pivot finger]"
Just throught like: if you do this smoothly and practise it, you can probably throw well further with still "no effort".
A bit like how it looks when Eagle showed up in the tee-pad this year with his backhand. 2-step walk-ups that kinda look lazy, a half fast movement with weightshift, but his technique is so buttery that his hand moves like lightning, so he throws a million meters anyway.
Yea, yea, it does happen like that of course but I don't "do" it. And then the movement is very minimal. I believe also, that if I pinch gripped like that and went full Eagle (or as full as I can), I couldn't control it at all.
@@dgspindoctor Seems very reasonable. This helps me a lot, thanks for doing all this youtube stuff.
Mulla viimevuonna oli kauheita ranne kipuja ku heitti liian voimalla forea usein ja toi kyynerpään taite kohtaan myös välillä sattui nii paljon et tuntui et kädestä menny rikki jokin pahasti
Se on kauhea liike käsivarrelle.
kohdasta 6:00 oli mielenkiintoista kattoa 0.25 -nopeudella :DD mutta, pitää itsekin kokeilla tätä tyyliä.
Jengi takertuu tohon nyt. Idea ei ole se, että mun kroppa ei tekisi asioita, vaan että mä en tieten tahtoen runnon kyynärpäätä eteen, kuten opetetaan.
@@dgspindoctor tarkoitin, että tuolla nopeudella katsottaessa näyttää siltä, että olisit tuhannen humalassa, mikä vaan näyttää hassulta :DD
Aijaa, no sitähän se hidastus teettää.
@@dgspindoctor muuten, jollain videolla mainittiin, että ojentajan ja forkun vahvistaminen auttaa kämmenheitossa. mitä mieltä olet itse?
En mä lähtisi erikseen forkkuja treenaamaan, koska se saattaa jäykistää sormia. Toki vähän kaikkea kannattaa tehdä. Foreheitossa tärkein vahvistettava on olkapää, etenkin lapatuki ja kiertäjä. Ojentaja ei juurikaan tähän heittoon osallistu. Mutta toki kaikenlainen tukilihaksiston treenaaminen on tosi tärkeetä ihan vain terveydellisistä syistä, jos ei suoranaisesti distancea saadakseen.
Can someone send this video to Eagle McMahon?
Big titty gang checking in 😂 I’ve had bad shoulders for years from weight lifting, tuba playing, etc so I’m excited to try this
Oh, the tuba is what's killing your distance!
@@dgspindoctor yeah, I should probably take it off before throwing, huh?
For some the tuba makes it really hard to tuck the disc to the power pocket, since the instrument is taking so much space. On the other hand (literally), if you grab with it the rear arm and keep it tight, it can help you with the rotation. But all in all, I can't recommend the tuba for anybody, who's taking the sport seriously. Try the bassoon instead.
Who this Columbian guy with the German accent?
Finnish guy living winter in Columbia atm
german accent bruh
Doesn't Nate Sexton throw like this ? I could be totally wrong ofc.
I think not. He has a proper technique. I mean... I am not even crouching to throw, because I don't want any torque.
Gotta try this! My sidearm is trashh.
Btw.. where do you put your thumb down? Opposite of the middle finger?
Also probably dumb question, but are you touching the rim of the disc or more so just pinching the fingers or both?!
The fingers are inside the rim. There the pivot happens. The thumb is on the plate.