Why Is AMD Selling Broken PlayStation Chips?
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0:00 - Intro
0:34 - Monday.com
0:48 - LTT Intro
0:57 - Wtf is the AMD 4700S
1:39 - Disassembly Begins
2:30 - Sketchy PSU
3:55 - Super weird motherboard
7:37 - Powering on
10:14 - Gaming test vs. PS5
12:49 - Benchmarking vs. PC
14:35 - Why does this exist??
15:55 - Monday.com
16:27 - Outro - Věda a technologie
9:50 Linus points at a chip on the board and makes an incorrect assumption. What he is pointing at is a common Ethernet Isolation Transformer and not an Ethernet Controller.
Edit: The actual Ethernet port there is controlled by the system controller chip which is why there is none built into the main CPU die.
Thanks!
Oh hi linus!
Yup, and sometimes this transformer thing is integrated right into the jack
I learned that while working on using an RJ45 connector for a non standard application
@@JUSTKOZ hmm yes clown for making a simple mistake. They're not a board designer how are they gonna know what that is. The only clown here is you for tryna clown LTT.
@@mokubakaiba1751 he said worse case scenario, also it could theoretically catch fire bc to get the same wattage at 110v vs 220v the amperage would be higher which could short or fry something not specced for a higher amperage, which doesnt seem far fetched on such a cheap psu that might not have modern protections
I demand Alex finish the water-cooled PS5 build!!
Since March!
Yes
Think it might not happen, probably to avoid legal issue with Sony, like dBrand is currently having
@@Sup_D It Wouldn't Cause legal issue as they are not distributing (selling it) and its for personal reasons
@@Sup_D Sony can't stop them from modding a PS5. Difference is Dbrand is making a business off it.
they took a partially functional CPU, bundled it with more bespoke hardware, that fits no other CPU and sold it at a bad price/performance.
They saved the CPU from becoming e-waste immediately by constructing more parts around it so they can all be e-waste together :)
Probably means they've got yield problems and a shitload of bum processors like that
It's an issue with TSMC 7nm as a whole. Hence why everything is being transitioned to 6nm.
@@anthonya.jumelles7103 I'm pretty sure tsmc7 yields are around 90%, very mature node
I start to wonder if that is the issue my 3700X died twice under warranty (at stock, also I know of the motherboard issues GN mentioned and that is not it in my case)
Friend had a 3800x, died also under warranty, yet my sister's OC'ed 2600 works like a charm.
....or maybe we just have shitty luck
@@rayquazahere8529 Probs shitty luck because my 3700x works great and I never had any problems with it.
Yeah, I do the BIOS "gallop" too, when dealing with systems where I don't know if it's Esc, F1, F2, Del, F12, etc. - so you basically have fingers over all the keys and then "gallop" the lot of them doing the boot screen. Very unscientific, but it does often actually work. Just hit all the keys and one of them's going to be right.
Lmaoo same
Except in the rare case such as some Lenovos I've run into that require you hold down the fn key and hit f2. Had to Google that one. There's always one...
@@waitwhat1144 I've had that one too. It's just odd that Fn lock would be on by default, with no Fn Lock key and the only way to unlock it is to get into the bios.
The worst one I ever encountered was one when Esc opened the BIOS, but also immediately closed it without a prompt. It was almost impossible to get into BIOS on that cursed machine.
i made an arduino project that will force the machine into UEFI once plugged in. I got sick of mashing keys when working in a recycling center for comboopers.
Reminds me when AMD launched their first 3-cores cpu, that were actually 4-cores with the defective core disabled
And I find it quite cool actually, especially when they were priced accordingly.
Yeah, but at least all the architecture / outputs on the chip still made sense for a PC build. This one... not so much. Interesting for the curious mind that this exists. Otherwise it's just entertainment. Nobody in their right mind would pay more than say 300 for this. 400 is overpriced, 1000 is ludicrous. I guess paying 1k for the entertainment isn't, otherwise LTT would not exist :P
But in the end it was just functioning quadcores with one core disabled that you could reenable and turn back into a quad core.
Or not defective at all lol
Got a Phenom from an Athlon II X3
and people tried to unlock that core.
"This isn't even the good tasting one" LINUS HAVE YOU EATEN THERMAL COMPOUND
Yes
you.... you haven't!?
what kind of human that doesn't eat thermal compound.
he had a fever
Oh god he liked your comment it's practically confirmed
"we're not blaming AMD" - Title blames AMD 😅😅
yo strange to see you round these parts
Okay.
howdy hey
If you listened, that comment was about the power supply. The title is not about the power supply.
howdy hey
So instead of immediately turning the PS5 APU into E-waste they create a seriously underpowered board that only slightly delays even more E-waste.
i thought the exact same thing.
I can see it gaining popularity as an e-cafe bundle, *if* the price drops to a tolerable amount
@@updog4L
Which is never will because it's _wasting 16gig of gddr6_ or whatever they soldered onto the back.
Would probably be fine for shitty office PCs.
@@XeonProductions athlon and pentium exists
oh no, don't do that, she'll explode!
Linus: she'll explode! I'm intrigued!
An actual person commenting like a bot😂😂
Wow you repeated what linus said😮😮
@@potatopotatopotatopotatopo8746 It is a good thing he was there to stop him so he wouldn't have to extinguish a fire.
😐
Dude you make kidney videos for a living wth
That was actually not an Ethernet controller chip, but an Ethernet passives/magnetics package. (You can tell by the fact that it's really tall)
@@arisusanchez just report and move on
Oh
@@karmila8758 oh very good very nice. You send me money 💰 I take a picture of you and show your family what a naughty 👿 scammer you are.
@@karmila8758 shut up
Ok
Got the desktop kit for $250 in india...installed it in silverstone SG13 case ( $70 for case, 140mm fan and power supply) and I have myself an 8 core, 16 thread, 16gb desktop for a total $320...I think that is great value and performance at this price (if you are not buying it for gaming ofcourse)
11:30
Glad I waited till this point, as my question about the GPU SoC not being included was answered.
6:38 - the traces make this circle pattern for impedance matching; else the signal bounces back through the trace like an acho chamber and starts interfering with itself. Stuff that starts to happen when you have circuits running at GHz speeds!
RF electrical engineering is basically black magic
@@kleinesfilmroellchen if you don't have the imaging software that costs 100s of thousands of dollars to emulate a part then yea.
@@Yuna-oi8wb Begone, BOT!
I don't think it is impedance matching. Impedance of the trace is a function of is width rather than its length. But that is not to say there is no impedance control at all.
The traces that take a circular path are probably of a "less critical signal group", such as address or control signals.
Routing guidelines for DDR signals prefers the data bus to be routed first and be length matched (i.e. the squiggly ones) because it is (more critically) synchronous and operates at the highest clock frequency, while other busses are routed later and do not have quite as strict routing guidelines.
It would matter more for a differential signal pair (which most DDR signals are not) to be impedance (and length) matched to ensure the signal edges travel together.
Thats NOT correct. The 8 chips are used in parallel , which saves on the trace density on the PCB , He can see all the traces, because they put all the RAM in a circle around the CPU because PCB had all that area available to be used. If they had bunched all the chips together in a row, they could have plenty of empty space, but they would have used a PCB standard with higher trace density (more layers or more per inch ?) Its only new to Linus because the SOC CPU and inbuilt RAM and missing IO slots meant that PCB was much larger than the smallest area PCB required. So he can see the traces on the two layer PCB.
"it will explode"
Oh so it comes with a built in Gigabyte power supply?
Worse
A Huntkey PSU
with a Samsung note 7 battery
**rimshot**
I love how Gigabyte PSUs became a meme. GN really did a good job making sure nobody trusts them.
@@graphicsgod is that from archer?
I'm curious: what does Device Manager look like in "Devices By Connection" mode on the thing?
it probably shows the onboard GPU. Windows likely just doesn't have drivers for it because most console GPUs are custom made and do weird shit.
While this video is about the ps4 (below) the same applies to most consoles.
czcams.com/video/QMiubC6LdTA/video.html
Which raises the question: Is the Series S chip a "not so great" Series X board, or still produced seperately? It would be a good use for e-waste.
Think so.. The series x chip/gpu is made with 56 compute units but only 52 is active..series s have 20 active..
No, it a totally different chip. You can check it online
Powering a 220v PSU with 110v wouldn't do shit on short term. The opposite is a great fireworks replacement.
Im from a country where it's common to find unlabeled outlets for both on the same room. Lots of hands on experience burning shit down.
In Europe we Only use 220v, so there's no point of having 110v
@@s3rit661 yes, and in north America they only have 110. So imported items are always gonna be a lottery, regardless of where you are.
And to add confusion, some places in central America use both, so I imagine by the comment that the person above is from one of those countries
@@StepanderTheKing afaik North America do use 220V for bigger appliances that need huge power. But then it's splitted into 110v lines that goes into all of your power outlets.
@@danielarsivana5991 this is true, ElectroBOOM explained this in a video on 110v/220v
@@StepanderTheKing Yes. South America. Nowadays the outlets are diffent sizes to avoid confusion, but going back a decade I burned a ton of 110v stuff plugging on 220v. Nothing ever happened the other way around. Oh, and getting electrocuted by 220v is awesome, feels like a horses kick.
"It's over Anakin, I've got the discounts"
What a chad comment. I wish you luck for your entire lifetime, you absolute god of a man.
You under estimate my being in South East Asia. Its only $300 after converting from Php. Its called here factory over run PS5 motherboard in specs of PC pre built
That's a perfect honey ad
Don't try it
@@Cepheus_01 thank you :)
Tnx! Waiting for a video of this board since I heard of it..!
Love the use of the new red camera, but just like Marques’s video with it, it looks so sped up and I checked if I was on 1x speed at the beginning lol.
15:08 it wouldn't be very much "e-waste" if it's just a tiny sliver of useless silicon, vs an entire PC being thrown out. They do this so they can make money from producing these chips; it's NOT about e-waste concerns. It's the same reason why there are so many SKUs of the same GPU core from Nvidia that end up in 3-4 different products.
You're saying that multinational conglomerates DON'T actually care about pollution or the environment? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say!
Nvidia uses chips that didn't pass QC to make Titanium cards. They can't just put them into an existing model because the chip has different specs and it does allow them to utilise considerable amount of silicon that would otherwise go to waste.
By throwing anything out, you aren't trowing away just the raw materials, but also all the resources needed to produce it. Obviously they're going to sell them and make money, but utilising spent resources definitely is a good thing.
In case of this particular chip though, it's really questionable because as it is, it's not really suitable for regular desktops.
That's the same thing DELL, HP and other big companies do with their proprietary PC parts in their prebuilt "PC's". Spent less money for low quality parts and sell them overprized. People can say what they want - for me a console is an overprized piece of silicon waste that is easy to replace with a PC that you can update/repair yourself without a problem and is more flexible. And I imagine that games could be cheaper and faster built if the developers hadn't to figure out how to run their software on those consoles.
@@Yuna-oi8wb shut up
@kiwikemist you say "humanity needs to end" but I can't help but notice that you're still alive....
In Brazil these kits are available in usual tech stores, although also massively overpriced. It's around 600 USD for the motherboard alone.
Where? Which tech stores?
Sounds like a fat 50% import tax like we get in Europe and US.
@@AaronShenghao most of the stuff that we have over here have prices that are ~60% tax. I bought a 1030 for 450 reais at the start of this year, if I'm not mistaken, around R$280 were just taxes.
@@AaronShenghao Brazil has it even worse
@@bena2.014 where did you find that kit??
Not that it would make a huge difference, but why would you test it against a 5800X as opposed to a 3700X since it's more analogous to the PS5's CPU?
Should test it against 2700x, since 3700x has much bigger memory cache.
@@1GTX1 2700x is only Zen+ [Zen1 refresh] versus 3700x being Zen2..
@@niteriderevo9179 less cache with lower frequency than zen 2 bottlenecked further with gddr instead of ddr ram making its performance more similiar to full speed zen 1 with ddr ram.
@@darkwolf1739 give zen+[zen1 refresh] the same limits and it won't perform as well as zen2 does, the ps5 core is 8 zen2 arch cores paired with a custom amd gpu as a SoC
Here in Argentina a combo with a RX550 cost just USD 160. An amazing buy for it's price.
Now this is the type of LTT video I've been missing for days
Linus is right: Power supplies should ABSOLUTELY be switching by default. It's been a thing for ages now. And with no label on the outside either, it's a recipe for disaster.
To give you an example for how long this has been an standard: one of the first computers I've ever seen, the IBM PC AT that came out in the late 80's ( 1988 ) , It's power supply also had that switch
They've even been doing the switching automatically for the past decade. We had some fried school computers back in the days because some people thought it would be funny to flip the switch and wait for the next guy to use the computer.
This was dumb. Why would a product not intended for NA market cater to their power standards? Here in EU when I buy electronics I don't expect them to support weird power standards from another part of the globe or have stickers warning me that they don't support power standards of America or some small African island.
@SteelRodent Mine accepts 100-240V. There is no rule saying they can't also accept other power systems, as long as they work with the European one. In fact, I would find it unacceptable for any kind of portable device or gadget to ship with a charger that only accepts 230V, as people are pretty likely to bring those when travelling abroad.
@@Victorianous most likely because there is higher amperage then it was designed for for 120v. Though normally the voltage is most dangerous for electronics (since amperage is only pulled when needed). My guess is those kind of setups don't have all the modern protection features it should have
Waiting for them to revisit this after someone figures out how to access the graphics on the apu
The timing on the opening explosion joke is *chef's kiss*.
>"Instead of turning into e-waste"
Yeah... You solder it together with other perfectly fine components and get even a larger e-waste...
well, they need to assemble most of the parts to properly test the build
Yes, I totally agree: from 20 gram of CPU waste to 5 Kg (or so) of a complete system
It's only e-waste if you look at it from purely a gaming PC perspective. They'd make perfectly acceptable home office PCs for example, if the price wasn't so bad.
A lot of the varriation in silicon performance comes down to small defects and all of the major companies that make chips do this, back in the old Phenom days the stuff that didn't work wasn't even separated and you could potentially unlock some more cores (they were all basically quads with parts disabled that potentially didn't work properly, I had a dual core that unlocked a 3rd that worked but at a lower clock) same with intel, with the same design put into different performance tiers based on their likelihood to perform to spec, and you can see it transparently if you take the cooler off some nvidia cards and see multiple models having the same die number.
This is by no means a new concept, and it's not even a bad idea in this case, it's just the price that throws it off. It's also why lower performance models often launch later than the main, because the lower models are the same design but worse, so when you have a bunch that don't turn out as desired but still usable and in a similar way, no problem just remove what's broken, call it good, and launch your lower tier GPU or CPU.
@@RandarTheBarbarian quick question for you could you unlock the already quad core phenom ii x4 945 to a six core phenom?
@@SimonBauer7 not him but iirc, yes with a bit of luck
5:57 "that PCI Express slot - it's Gen2"..."that's exactly what the PS5 M.2 slot is"
Wait what? I don't know what Linus is smoking. The PS5 expandable storage specifically calls for Gen 4 drives, and works with high performing Gen 3 (from LTT's own video). It's obviously not Gen 2.
maybe he meant x2?
even gen 2 pcie is on par with sata 6G tho
...but apparently it is gen 2 x4
Yeah, right, I also commented that.
What something is compatible with and what it actually has is different.
Leave him alone bro he films so many videos all the time he's going to get something wrong.
@@monetary687 First day on the internet there bud?
I loved this intro. Made me excited for a LTT video like I haven't felt for a long time. Thank you, you guys did great on this one.
Hey, thanks Wrent Shockley.
Many years ago I turned on the 4th core on an AMD X3 CPU. Stayed stable!
The board should be around the 200$ Would be kinda interesting around that price for perhaps homelab purposes
16GB of GDDR5 (or is it GDDR6?) memory dedicated to a server definitely has some uses, especially with such a decent CPU.
@@Jake1702 GDDR6, and yeah with some software that RAM could be useful
Unfortunately for this product, the GDDD6 alone likely costs nearly that much right now. In that respect, the $400 price point in China is actually pretty reasonable, but it still doesn't make sense to buy simply because there's no reason to pay for inflated G6 when you can build a system with much cheaper and more appropriate DDR4.
@@DonnyStanley yea absolutly, if they had still active some of the GPU cores, this would be a entire other discussion, but here you still need a gpu. imagine having a apu on a board with 16gb gddrs and 12 -20 rdna CU´s , then this would be a nice media pc or just buget gaming pc for 400$
That a really good point. If it was affordable I'd even be happy to take this board with half the RAM, that would be enough for my purposes.
PlayStations 4 and 5 for the North American and Japanese market are label 110/100 V. but they’re all actually auto voltage, you have to disassemble it to see this on the power supply.
Wait is this true? I've been running my Ps5 in a transformer for months because of this.
@@diabloterrorgf I'm literally only commenting on this to see if they answer :)
@@diabloterrorgf did you aleady test it? im just curious...
@@diabloterrorgf Every PS since PS2 Slim.
Glad the intro was dark, watching at 7 am and it's dark where i am
this desktop board kit is available standalone for 120$ here in India and looks like a good choice for office pc , ofc u need to buy a gpu case ssd psu separate.
The editing is top notch. Great video too, ofc!
Just started this and the energy of this video is off the charts, I love that intro!
The editing is similar to Channel Super Fun.
@@shubhagarwal9812 they still exist?
yup.
@@shubhagarwal9812 wow didn't think they still did been a while since I heard that name🤣
9:54 No, this is not an ethernet controller. Those are just some filtering coils that every device has directly behind the ethernet port. The controller can be anywhere else.
According to the sticker on the power supply, it takes up to 220v ac. It can use wall source from USA and Europe. Not having a voltage switch there means it automatically switches to use the lower voltage
"I've never been up close to a ps5"
Linus Gabriel Sebastian, 2021
WAIT so is Gabriel Linus’ middle name?
@@catnip202xch. yup
Glorious PC Gaming Master Race!
He said PS5 board.
So his middle name is after an archangel. Should Linus be called: The archangel of tech youtube?🤔
"Just like I'm intrigued by our sponsor" I legitimately "Goddamnit Linus"ed
Lol me too
@@Cameron0208 Lol me too
This reminds me of when i took the price of an Xbone and used that money to build a better system with an APU that ran windows. i know the APU ended up basically flopping as an off the shelf part, but i really liked it
Found that AMD... board in one of the tech shops in Poland for an equivalent of $360, and that's already with 23% VAT included. So same price as the R5 5600X, but for (almost) a full PC.
That intro was pure chaos
12:35 Fun fact: the PS5 has 4 PCI-E Gen4.0 lanes which are directly connected to that "IO hub" which is the SSD controller and chipset on the PS5. Those 4 lanes are shared with the M.2 and internal SSDs, which is not a big deal since you can only play one game at one. It also has a couple of direct-wired USB 3.2s (10Gbit), HDMI 2.1 and that's basically it.
Did they not do the ARM SoC south bridge for PS5 like they did with PS4?
One of the best intros yet, loved the energy
At $1000 for this pc, even a scalped PS5 is a better value.
@@HardTyberZann lol I absolutely agree.
Linus: “just like im intrigued by ou-“
Me: *Skips ahead 20 seconds*
*right arrow key twice*
Sponsor block
@@dylandajhharwood5566 Or L key once 😏 (arrow skips 5 sec, L does 10)
Sponsor block plugin
I think this video was uploaded at 16:9 rather than the wider aspect ration you guys usually use. On iOS, I see the black bars on top and bottom (when not zoomed in). On all the other LTT videos I don’t see the black bars (when not zoomed in)
Where does that sound bite at 0:06 (yeow or wow?) Come from? I here it everywhere and it has this striking familiarity to it that I just cant place.
You can get the "AMD Desktop Kit" over in germany for around 382€
9:56 GST5009S is NOT Ethernet controller. It is just for galvanic separation and protecting a precious silicone of IC from damage - while allowing communication.
Yh magnetics... isolation and also to ensure an appropriate termination impedance.
but typically, the magnetics are build into the ethernet port/jack of the mainboard. That is why linus did not identify it quickly.
@@sarowie not as typical as you may think. Whilst jacks with included magnetics exist they are physical much bigger and more expensive (not vastly but when people change capacitorand resistor brands to save a few pennies per board on your BOM cost jacks costing a noticeable amount more than separate jack and magnetics are usually high on the chop list), so any board keen to maximise space (or have more than one port in a line) nearly always uses external magnetics.
Most 'normal' motherboards, not normally lacking space in the IO area (and have less efficiencies made to the BOM costs for marketing PR - Japanese solid state caps anyone? ), would, as you say have inbuilt magnetics, but the vast majority of separate NICs and switches and cheaper devices use seperated jack and magnetics.
if PCIe bandwidth is an issue, couldn't you limit the available resources to the PCIe bus? Some BIOS's let you adjust the settings, and I'd be curious to see if that affects performance.
Jeez, I thought I've had my video on 1.25x speed with how rapid that intro was
I admit, I am still a bit disappointed that LTT did not install FreeBSD on this thing (for which NVIDIA has official drivers for the 10 series cards) for the “full-er” PS5 experience.
Is the PS5 OS actually based on FreeBSD like the PS4 was? I looked through Sony's OSS pages and couldn't find anything indicating that.
@@Jake1702 PS3 and PS4 use freebsd so does PS5
@@Jake1702 Technically I think the PS5 OS is based on the PS4 OS and the PS4 OS on the PS3 OS... but the PS3 OS was based on FreeBSD. Excellent choice, if I had to pick a base OS back in 2005 I would have picked the same one. But it's hard to tell how much FreeBSD is still left in there now.
@@KillahMate are you sure the ps4 software is based on the ps3?
@@sleepyuser5189 Uh, I think I saw some articles at the time discussing how data miners found code on the PS4 that matches some PS3 code, so it looked like the PS4 OS is a continuation of the same codebase. But like I said, it's hard to say how much of the old code was left - all we know is that there's some. Maybe now that both consoles have been cracked people have had a chance to analyze it more in-depth, but I haven't kept up with that.
I see that Linus is planning to be Doc Ock for Halloween this year
Would it possible (theoretically speaking, at least) to tap into the GPU in the SOC of this chip, or is there some fundamental limitation I've misunderstood that actually prevents it from working in a system like this?
Can we have more fast pace stuff like this intro please? This was hilarious
Want to see more Alex making things, CNC, foundry, laith etc
Jubair, don’t listen to those comments above mine.
DO NOT CLICK THE LINKS!
@@gmdking thanks for advice. They are spammers for popular CZcams channels
My god that intro, couldn't close the video if I wanted to. :)
I M a big fan of ur intro. U improved a lot!!
What screen format or camera was this recorded in? I have black bars on the top, bottom and sides...surely you can use a common format for recording...or is it just that the editors can work quicker using smaller screen dimensions?
You should bug Rossman to solder an actual PS5 processor onto it. :D
now THAT'S an idea. A ps5 but its actually a pc. A pc with ps5 apu. Can they get the ps5 os to run on it?
@@the_retag Unlikely, the bridge chip does more than just being a flash to pcie chip xD
@@_DSch well if you know stuff you could help them...
@@the_retag If one plays around with that stuff while the hardware is not outdated, good luck... remember the geohot vs. sony story?
I feel like scrapping the chipset as e-waste is better than building these crap boxes that will be entirely ewaste within 5 years with their shoddy performance.
Man I remember as a Kid I loved it to tinker with PCs and my dad always brought new ones because I kept breaking them, they were not some expensive stuff he got them for free or cheap on flea markets. Once I noticed the 110/240 switch on the back of a PC at the Powersupply (I was like 10 years old or so) and I decided lets flip this baby and see what happens, this thing blew up and fried everything... I learned something that day I guess.
3:33 220 volts includes 110, you can connect less but not more.
Think this would be more used in things like animatronics or controlling rides in theme parks as those systems tend to be really really outdated and slow ( seen a few barely able to run windows 95)
I hope that a ride controller does not use an obscure PC hardware, based on a consumer product.
It should be based on embedded or industrial variants of the components.
know a company that bought Genuine Microsoft DOS embedded licenses in 2008 for building a medical device/system developed in the 90s.
@@sarowie
A cousin of mine spent a lot of time to set up DosBox to make critical systems run properly. Which is kind of hilarious.
Mf Foxy blasting a PS5 CPU
@@BitchlessNigga Springtrap rocking with ps5 GPU
Very interesting find there Linus and team. I wonder how else it's crippled from the AMD chip inside the gaming consoles?
Linus I don't know why but everytime I watch your video they make me feel better u have an amazing group I love the LMG squad its cool so a super big hug to everyone
thats an extremely cool and informative video! Thank you
I’m most impressed by there large variety of screws
6:03 isn't the ps5 nvme slot gen 4? Unless they are somehow using some chip to use more pcie gen2 lanes for fewer pcie gen4 lanes
AFAIK the PS5 IO controller - just like the PS5 memory controller actually - is at least partly custom Sony hardware. This board doesn't seem to be using any of that because it's either turned off like the GPU or absent, I think it piggybacks on the leftover PCIe lanes for everything.
@@KillahMate I do not have a ps5 but based on the direct storage thingie where the textures are directly loaded from the ssd and the minimum speed requirements for an ssd to be compatible, I would assume that the nvme slot is directly connected to the apu and not running thru a chipset. But it totally makes sense that they could turn off some io or pcie lanes. Maybe as linus pointed out the problem is in this part of the silicon and thats why they turned the board does not have an m. 2 nvme slot. Or maybe due to some defection not all internal buses in the apu are within pcie gen4 specs so they enforce pcie gen 2 to meet the apus capabilities.
Linus responded in another comment. He was referring to bandwidth. Gen2x8 has 4GB/sec bandwidth, which is the same as gen 4x2. Although, I'm still pretty sure the PS5 slot is Gen4x4.
The m. 2 slot is actually gen4 x 4 just checked still some mindbending stuff to think about.
5:00-6:08 The ps5 m.2 slot is not 2xgen4. It is 4xgen4 which is needed for the recommended speed of 5.5GB/sec that Sony lays out for m.2 NVME drives that users can put into the ps5.
2xgen4 equates to 4GB/sec of potential bandwidth. 4xgen4 equates to 8GB/sec of potential bandwidth.
So if you reverse the fans does the thermals improve ? It looked like you could flip them around and it would work at helping pull air the right way. Unintentionally that may actually be a good mod with a little modding required before installation....haha
Whatever happened to the PlayStation 5 water cooled project? I've waiting for it for quite some time. Are you guys still doing it?
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@@joyfuldragon That's why I asked. I wasn't sure if that meant they were no longer doing it, or if they weren't using that board.
@@matjam421 Oh, my bad.
Woah Linus actually benchmarked memory latency! Good job guys.
All those different types of screws reminds of old desktop Compaqs. Lots of different sizes and head types.
Back in the early '90s when dual-mode power-supplies were first a thing, there was a switch that would allow you to change it from 240V/50Hz to 120V/60Hz. One time I plugged in a power supply to a 120V/60Hz outlet while the switch was on its 240V/50Hz setting. The only thing that happened was that the front-panel LEDs lit up very dim and the computer didn't boot. Of course, when I saw that, I turned it off very quickly, so maybe it would've caught fire at some point if I'd left it on? But for the less-than-ten-seconds it was on, nothing happened. I unplugged it, flipped the switch to 120V/60Hz, plugged it back in, and everything worked fine. No apparent damage.
no it wouldn't, Linus is talking bs there
0:27 Alex: *"Oh geez no! It will explode!"*
Me: *"Oh boy! Here comes Gigabyte and their little bomb!"* 😂😂😂😂😂
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Are Jonsbo cases any good? Since Linus mentioned them it reminded me, I've been considering one for my budget-focused build since I like their aesthetic and they're quite affordable
In my experience, they are pretty good. I have owned a few of them.
They look great, most of them have good build quality and use good quality materials, and a few use a chimney layout for decent airflow. Most of them I can recommend, but they all have compromises. I wouldn't recommend them for your first build ever, but if like how they look and you can plan your build ahead, then yeah they're pretty awesome.
I'm glad that the outro music hasn't changed. The channel wouldn't be the same.
that'd be a pretty killer setup if it had the integrated GPU!
I'm not sure that the cheapo fan would pull it off when the GPU is enabled though. It might go through the roof because of performance or because of the fan, is all I'm saying.
WHY TF DID U STOP HIM, WOULD HAVE BEEN SOME GOOD CONTENT
Buy 2, blow one up..... YES.
Doesn't sound like Linus stopped him, sounds like it wasn't working out.
Plugging 220 into 110 does the same thing as putting dead batteries into something. As in nothing happens. 110 into 220 is when you get sparks and fire.
@@JETWTF okay, good to know
@@JETWTF would you mind explaining? I really would like to know. AC electricity I find fascinating and I don't know a lot of nuances like that
Might be interesting to use amibcp and see what other options you can bring up in the BIOS. Of course you'd probably brick the board as BIOS recovery might be somewhat hard.
Noticed a much larger quantity of DOA parts lately from several companies. I've had to replace about 4 components this year due to them being DOA.
Tis the nature of the chip shortage I suppose. Companies could be lowering tolerance levels to meet up with supply and demand at the relatively small cost of more DOA or lemon products rolling off the lot, at least to a given company’s bean counters. The higher complexity certainly doesn’t help matters either.
@@GabrielIgnacio Yeah, got 2 dead PSUs in a row from EVGA.
Love these videos where you go deep into the hardware. Also showing the latency and bandwidth of DDR vs GDDR was very interesting. Wasn't aware of that. 120 ns seems not that much compared to 60 ns. I expected more gains in 15 years. Would have been good to have an explanation there, why it is soo detrimental.
hate to tell you 220-240v is quite popular world wide, with north America and Japan being the major users of 110v. Pretty sure European PSUs are normally have active power factor correction.
i always watch your videos
and i have learn so many
You can actually edit the BIOS for that board with AMIBCP 5.02 ;)
"we are saving on e-waste, instead of throwing away this little chip, we are making a much larger, more clunky system that will be thrown away". If the chip is busted, that's a few square centimeters of waste. Adding the board-which is also pretty junk when it's literally soldered into place with the busted chip, you just expanded your ewaste by orders of magnitude. Then combining it with a poorly made case and fairly junky cheap power supply, the e-waste created skyrockets.
I dont think you understand how expensive it is to manufacture CPU / GPU. The waste is not the actual chip, but the energy and resources put into it. The Power Supply issue isnt from AMD.
Why doesnt the apu have igpu? Why does it need dedicated gpu?
Because the igpu is nonfunctional. Otherwise the chip would be in a ps5
I dont understand why there isnt a proper PCIE slot.
The M.2 slot in the PS5 is connected with 4xPCIe Gen4
So the bandwidth for a full 16xPCIE Gen2 should be there... but isnt?
Hey I recognize the case - SGPC K70 - been looking at too many Taobao ITX cases
should be priced out at 200-250 for the whole kit since you need a gfx card and it's bottlenecked... all it would be good for is like a home file server, which something like a raspberry pi would do fine at.
Over kill pihole server lmao
"you need a gfx card" The kit comes with a rx 550
Yeah if they put price to lower end.
This pc will be good for basic use for excell stuff and word.
Because soo many office still use cheap old pc for this purpose
One word *underwhelmed*
Question do you have the AMD chipset driver running? It seems like its running MS default and does not have GPU driver installed.
The off-brand "The Bad Touch" background song around the 6.5 min mark was tripping me up so bad
Seeing a 'broken" PS5 CPU perform better than my Pentium makes me feel like a scrub tbh
the cpu part itself isnt broken, just the igpu is disabled
Tony Oh, I see.
Still, that iGPU I think is stronger than my 9600GT.
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If it was actually working , it would be as powerful as an Rx 6600 /rtx 3060
@@mix3k818 it's not working...if it works it can run games at 4k
China uses standard 220v/50hz so.....not meant for other places
So does the Europe....