Dear HMCS Harry DeWolf crew: Please affix a Go-Pro facing forward, up high and record a time lapse video of your transit of the Northwest Passage for those of us who will never get the chance to see it. You might even extend it to your complete circumnavigation of the North America (in the footsteps of St. Roch!)
The circumnav takes longer than an hour or a day. They can show tidbits and clips from everything around them. That way you guys are able to see more what they have done and what's happening around them. if its just a 3 hour long time-lapse, you will be missing so much more than just looking forward.
Pretty amazing ship. I hadn't realized they'd be built to be so flexible in operating conditions. A lot of engineering has go to into making such extremes work well. I'm glad we'll have ships that are flexible enough to go anywhere if need be.
Fantastic video. So proud of the RCN and their return to the Canadian Arctic. It’s long overdue and this class of ships will bring many new capabilities. BZ.
@@doogleticker5183 Well, for starters, ice breaking. We have a Navy that is incapable of breaking ANY ice for the last 60 years. That’s hard to believe but true. A country as wealthy as Canada has not had the capability to send an armed vessel on or under the ice. We have the longest coastline in the world, much of it ice-covered for long periods of the year. We rely on the capabilities of the Coast Guard, a civilian, unionized organization that is chronically underfunded and is primarily responsible for the safe navigation of Canadian coastal waters. These ships have been designed to operate any where on the globe in a constabulary role. They are not front line combat vessels but will be used for patrol duties primarily, and that includes the Arctic. The government will have a greater presence in the Arctic to enforce our sovereignty over that vast space. They can carry sea containers to aid in disaster relief. They have extra berths on board to carry scientists, RCMP personnel or personnel involved in civil aid. They can carry and store a medium weight helicopter and the crew needed to fly and service it. When all of these capabilities are combined you end up with a very versatile vessel that can be utilized in countless ways. And since there will be 6 of them that means a least 2-3 will always be available for tasking. The HDW is in the Arctic now for the first time and Very soon the second vessel will be accepted into the RCN for trials. Things are beginning to move in the right direction.
harry de wolf is a good coast guard ship with an ice breaker on it . so its good in the artic for sure , for search and rescue, but it needs more weapons just not a few machine guns and one main gun in the front
It’s a patrol vessel it doesn’t need to be heavily armed that class is used mostly for utility. The type 26’s will be where the teeth are. Hopeful we see additional surface units in the 2030’s as it looks like the world is entering a much more distablized state. Also we will see a major shift to the pacific to deal with chinas rising tonnage.
Agreed but if this thing can carry a cyclone then it also gets the offensive benefits that come with that as well, also wondering if they could refit and add a CIWS or something.
Yes. If a hostile and armed UAV pops out over the horizon expecting a Type 26 and observes merely the Harry DeWolfe, does anyone really believe it will take pity on this ship & crew during wartime and not engage it? That could be a Super Entendart streaking towards this icebreaker well beyond effective range it's 25mm, its only reasonable tool.of defense.
@@incenius5008 it does not need a refit for a CIWS attachment, the ship is of a modular design and has operational packages to compliment its mission state. Also, its a patrol vessel. It is not a warship, so it does not require heavier weapon system.
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
Nice ship, but it needs better armament if it’s classified as a navy ship, right now it’s a lightly armed coast guard vessel. It’s just sad, because it would be super easy for the navy to add more armament, even if it takes a little longer to get all the ships.
@@user-ys1cr3vj9e They could. They could also add ASW equipment like Asroc or anti submarine torpedoes. It is a patrol vessel though it does not need it for it's mission.
@@kevin_1230 It’s more than just a simple patrol vessel, its our only armed presence in the Arctic (apart from aircraft). It should be able the defend itself against submarines and other vessels. As well as air defence. I’m not saying they should become frigates of in terms of weaponry, but they should be able to hold their own. I also think our coast guard vessels should become armed with at least some small arms and machine guns.
@@nate7079 Sorry But I don't buy that. We are not going to war with Russia. Nor is it true that they are our only armed vessels in the arctic. RCN frigates have served on what they call MARLANT missions in the Arctic for decades. The arctic even in summer is very hazardous for submerged submarines so they are not a major threat. And the Ships helicopter provides an ASW capability that is quite effective. Sure some sea sparrows or asroc would be nice but not necessary. Russia only has one carrier and it is not capable of operating in arctic waters. So aircraft as well are not much of a concern except for the opposition. In a pinch, however, the Canadian navy could bolt additional weapons onto the Arctic OPVs’ decks. The latest anti-ship missiles carry their own guidance radars and come in containers that workers can install on almost any reasonable-size warship.
This ship is very dynamic. Can operate in ice and very cold weather and also can operate in warm weather. Personally I think they can upgrade these class ships with a missile lauching system and be even more versatile.
@@tomlarocque4720 I have a feeling it'll mostly be used for artic patrol and research. It'll probably only fire its weapons in training. I believe it'll work like a recon team, think of recon vehicles like the TAPV going in before the rest of the assets.
@@tomlarocque4720 There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
Listen. The old obsolete AOR supply vessels Preserver and Protecteur had a superior self-defense suite & certainly no one expected them to be upon the sharp end either. Using this logic, there's no reason for it not to have one 20mm CIWS Phalanx somewhere midships or aft. Along with its present armaments. That should be it's minimum protection. In wartime one could add missiles of some sort for long range pop. And augmenting heavy machine guns in some kind of weather proof firing turret with NVG.
Fine looking ship named after a real Canadian Naval hero , here are two suggestions for the next in class , CPO Vaino Partenan HMCS Kootenay , Oct.23 , 1969 , Cross of Valor(Posthumous) , PO Lewis Stringer HMCS Kootenay , Oct 23 , 1969 Cross of Valor (Posthumous). Greg Mackenzie HMCS Bonaventure , 1967 - 1970.
@@mississaugaicedogs Knowing the Federal Govt. rather than name a ship after two who gave there lives trying to save others during the HMCS Kootenay fire they will probably name her after some indigenous person!
@@juanvaldez4575 There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol.
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol.
@@norsemen8878 These ships aren't there to "protect" anything. They function kind of like a security guard at the mall, if/when they get into a real fight their as good as sunk. To "observe and report" should be the motto of Joint Task Force North and these ships.
@@flashpointfps7619 I totally get that. Canada is cheaping out on our defence again while our military capacity has been depleted and our shipyards have starved for 40 years and now they are trying to fix it by giving the shipyards slow steady work with the national shipbuilding program and that is adding huge amounts of inflation to costs of the ships while they have billions and billions for stupid bullshit around the world to piss our money away on and now we are stuck with a major predicament. What they should do is build the ships as fast as possible to keep costs down and then implement a new national ship building program and build 3 amphibious assault ships to start and our shipyards can build mega blocks so we keep our shipbuilding capacity alive. Also if we really want to protect the Arctic we need nuclear subs. Bottom line. Here is a good article on the ships .. www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/06/25/nice-new-patrol-ship-youve-got-there-canada-itd-be-a-shame-if-somebody-sank-it/amp/
Beautiful vessels, great force (RCN) but why don't they arm their vessels better especially those that will deal directly with peer nation vessels for example their frigates which are their main scv is armed with a 57mm deck gun (the uscg NSC primary weapon) instead of the 76mm even the USN new Constellation frigates will have the 57mm instead of the 76mm, is due to budget or defense ideology? Btw I know it have SAM'S SSM's CIWS etcetera but misses run out faster than traditional ammunition so it would surmise that you would want a weapon that can provide somewhat modest range firepower and flexibility
Especially since the NoCGV Svalbard that this class is based, is armed with a 57mm, as is the current RCN Halifax class. The new Type 26 ships will have 127mm main gun and lots of missiles though.
You figure they're going to be blasting away broadsides at each other like they're Nelson's Oaken Wall? It doesn't make sense for Canada to start an arms race in the Arctic. Whatever gun size we put on our ship, the next guy goes the next size up and so on. That 1" chain gun is perfectly capable of supporting a company of men operating on a shoreline in some tight Northwest Passage waterway. .. "littoral" czcams.com/video/izP3liVmfCE/video.html It will not be big enough for another Jutland. The British design for their :Offshore Patrol" ship is the River Class such as HMS Tamar. She is quite a bit smaller, not capable of operation in the Arctic. She can land an Merlin, which is the same size as a Cyclone but there is no hanger. The Canadian Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship and the Royal Navy Offshore Patrol ship have almost identical armament, though. The British ship is equipped with the VERY SLIGHTLY larger 30 mm Bushmaster chain gun and a couple of machine guns, a couple of mini guns. They are both in the same role (outside the Arctic) with almost identical firepower.. If the time ever comes that bigger armament is required on them, their design suggests that they can be "upgunned " to 57 mm without much fiddling. If you need to make them more powerful in a hurry, remember that really big flight deck back aft and put a helicopter on it that has some offensive capabilities..
I agree in part, but in reality it’s the 21st Century and that brings a lethality that requires a match in capability especially from peer adversaries,the 57 is good for patrol vessels and coast guards but in a contested maritime environment where vessels armed with 3 and 5 inch weapons plus their compliment of SSM ASW etc etc then a lightly armed frigate will struggle to survive,the LCD of the USN is a more capable platform than the Halifax frigate that the RCN have. The point is the RCN wants to play with the big boys but on a child’s budget and defense posture, how long is Canada going to rely on the US and allies for their major engagement needs,like carrier strike or amphibious assault capabilities! Can we agree that Canada’s liberal approach to the defense needs of Canada somewhat contribute to that?
Those folks signed a piece of paper that agrees to give their life for Canada if need be , as far as I'm concerned they can take all the tropical r&r they want......
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
Nice design BUT.... Is the HMCS Harry DeWolf a warship or lightly armed Coast Guard patrol vessel? Actually, by all accounts she looks more like an armed explorer yacht. Welcome to Trudeau's navy.
@@garywagner2466 Agreed but once you start looking into the RCN's new ships one wonders about the navy's mission statement. It appears we are again regressing into a humanitarian policing force aka- the 1965 green uniform unification adventure. I would love to better understand the DeWolf's mission. A forward mounted 25mm weapon is hardly offensive by any standard, Her stern and rear quarters appear completely defenceless. This is not a ship one would deliberately put in harms way.Years in design and construction, granted but Justin is at the helm so let him wear it.
@@douglasker9770, these vessels are apparently designed for light patrol duties in moderate ice. I doubt they would be tasked to fight a battle, and I agree they would not survive one. But when was the last naval battle fought in Canadian waters? Naval procurement has been a running joke for many years, as the bureaucrats appear to be in charge and they would have trouble managing a piss up in a brewery. On the positive side, we now have the limited ability to put a vessel or two in the arctic to help control access to the Northwest Passage. That’s long overdue, especially as the Coast Guard has been under-equipped for decades. At least King Justin the Embarrassing didn’t cancel military procurement or disband the navy. Yet.
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
Since you're deleting your comments, you are apparently a member of this fringe we hear so much about. Again, I refer you back to my original comment, hence why only few people are capable of joining, as they may be able to deferential between warship and patrol ship... also, we use ally made equipment, why would we use Russian? As it will be a clear contradiction of NATO and CAF beliefs, as well as russian equipment has a severe failure rate. We are with the times here, that is why we have patrol ships.
Obviously it carries very exsepnsive equipment such as two MRI machines & that beach landing vessel. So it begs the question: Why such a meager armament suite? I feel this is a great question & apparently Admiral Norman was not impressed either. If it is an artic patrol vessel, why does it have open to air & sea machine gun mounts circa 1941? Doesn't the RCN care about it's gun crew? This vessel rates a 20mm CIWS Phalanx over top its helicopter hangar. And a main deck gun with greater range-greater capabilities. It's only logical to protect costly assets not easily replaced. Inclusive it's worthy of better crew.
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
I served in the 70s and I quite like this new navy. It would be nice if they stopped cancelling ships, though there were supposed to be 18 frigates, not 12. I'll be surprised if they finish the whole 15 ship Type 26 order. The AOPS are obviously all going to get built, though.. Two are in the water. A third is almost ready to launch. The 4th is being assembled, #5 has her steel cutting.
These ships seem okay for shore patrol ships but bad for arctic warships. RCN needs extremely capable Arctic warships with multiples different types of missiles guns and torpedos, needs nuclear submarines, nuclear icebreakers and airforce bases in arctic or aircraft carrier or possibly a Drone Carrier for Uav Drones And attack drones.
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
hope you have about 40 billion for the nuclear subs and bases that would be required. Yeah you do not understand. Diesel boats are designed to end noisy nuclear subs. A little knowledge would help
Perspective: Now retired Admiral Norman was not impressed with its current self defence suite. So why should we? Clearly others drink to kool aid here.
are they gonna add missles on the ship for defense ???? are they gonna have torpedo on the ship to hunt submarine, its a beautiful shit for coast guard but until they beef up the weapons , its just a search and rescue ship made to patrol the artic , but common russia will laugh at this ship in the north , they will be abile to do circles around this ship, no defense missles or anything wat a waste of tax payers money man, we need destroyes and the new type 26 frigete like the government promised , so we can defend our waters and a few more new nucler submarines would be nice too justin trudeo , our prime minster acts like every other counrty is using fisher price toys lol.
again... There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do. You do realize that the Type 26 (CSC) "Frigate" has build status in Canada, well before you made this comment...
Again... There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
seems to be an excellent ship for the coast guard, but as a Navy ship she is toothless and useless. No offense to the sailors who serve on it but if a shooting war were to break out and you had to defend the country with that, your odds of winning any naval engagement would be 0%
To be fair it is an arctic based vessel so the likelihood of it coming up against an aircraft carrier or a cruiser or something is next to zero, It's role isn't to fight in a naval battle.
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
Dear HMCS Harry DeWolf crew:
Please affix a Go-Pro facing forward, up high and record a time lapse video of your transit of the Northwest Passage for those of us who will never get the chance to see it.
You might even extend it to your complete circumnavigation of the North America (in the footsteps of St. Roch!)
The circumnav takes longer than an hour or a day. They can show tidbits and clips from everything around them. That way you guys are able to see more what they have done and what's happening around them. if its just a 3 hour long time-lapse, you will be missing so much more than just looking forward.
Pretty amazing ship. I hadn't realized they'd be built to be so flexible in operating conditions. A lot of engineering has go to into making such extremes work well. I'm glad we'll have ships that are flexible enough to go anywhere if need be.
Fantastic video. So proud of the RCN and their return to the Canadian Arctic. It’s long overdue and this class of ships will bring many new capabilities. BZ.
Like what, precisely?
@@doogleticker5183 Well, for starters, ice breaking. We have a Navy that is incapable of breaking ANY ice for the last 60 years. That’s hard to believe but true. A country as wealthy as Canada has not had the capability to send an armed vessel on or under the ice. We have the longest coastline in the world, much of it ice-covered for long periods of the year. We rely on the capabilities of the Coast Guard, a civilian, unionized organization that is chronically underfunded and is primarily responsible for the safe navigation of Canadian coastal waters. These ships have been designed to operate any where on the globe in a constabulary role. They are not front line combat vessels but will be used for patrol duties primarily, and that includes the Arctic. The government will have a greater presence in the Arctic to enforce our sovereignty over that vast space. They can carry sea containers to aid in disaster relief. They have extra berths on board to carry scientists, RCMP personnel or personnel involved in civil aid. They can carry and store a medium weight helicopter and the crew needed to fly and service it. When all of these capabilities are combined you end up with a very versatile vessel that can be utilized in countless ways. And since there will be 6 of them that means a least 2-3 will always be available for tasking. The HDW is in the Arctic now for the first time and Very soon the second vessel will be accepted into the RCN for trials. Things are beginning to move in the right direction.
impressionnant, drôle de feeling, d'avoir l'impression d'être a jour technologiquement, pas 10 ans en arrière des autres
harry de wolf is a good coast guard ship with an ice breaker on it . so its good in the artic for sure , for search and rescue, but it needs more weapons just not a few machine guns and one main gun in the front
It’s a patrol vessel it doesn’t need to be heavily armed that class is used mostly for utility. The type 26’s will be where the teeth are. Hopeful we see additional surface units in the 2030’s as it looks like the world is entering a much more distablized state. Also we will see a major shift to the pacific to deal with chinas rising tonnage.
@@tclem14 it's Canadian liberal thinking last five decades of peace: 'Mericans will save us!!
Agreed but if this thing can carry a cyclone then it also gets the offensive benefits that come with that as well, also wondering if they could refit and add a CIWS or something.
Yes. If a hostile and armed UAV pops out over the horizon expecting a Type 26 and observes merely the Harry DeWolfe, does anyone really believe it will take pity on this ship & crew during wartime and not engage it? That could be a Super Entendart streaking towards this icebreaker well beyond effective range it's 25mm, its only reasonable tool.of defense.
@@incenius5008 it does not need a refit for a CIWS attachment, the ship is of a modular design and has operational packages to compliment its mission state. Also, its a patrol vessel. It is not a warship, so it does not require heavier weapon system.
Great ship for our navy.... Keep up the good work guys... Great video
Our Fisheries vessel is off to check on some fishing boats. With its popgun up front it won't be scaring any vessel bigger than a fishing boat.
It's not built for attacks on enemy ships, it's a piece of Canadian soil that can be deployed to the arctic and fly the flag
@@bradjames6748 Expensive flag.
@@rickrayn but your bristling with guns version will be cheaper???
@@bradjames6748 showing the flag in the is the Coast Guards mission. I just wished the government got more bang for our navy.
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
Glad to know you folks are out there 👍
Nice ship, but it needs better armament if it’s classified as a navy ship, right now it’s a lightly armed coast guard vessel. It’s just sad, because it would be super easy for the navy to add more armament, even if it takes a little longer to get all the ships.
It is a patrol vessel. not a destroyer. If war breaks out they always could add it.
It Has.sutficient Weapons Capability I think 57 mm on the front and it.can be Upgunned.im pretty sure
@@user-ys1cr3vj9e They could. They could also add ASW equipment like Asroc or anti submarine torpedoes. It is a patrol vessel though it does not need it for it's mission.
@@kevin_1230 It’s more than just a simple patrol vessel, its our only armed presence in the Arctic (apart from aircraft). It should be able the defend itself against submarines and other vessels. As well as air defence. I’m not saying they should become frigates of in terms of weaponry, but they should be able to hold their own. I also think our coast guard vessels should become armed with at least some small arms and machine guns.
@@nate7079 Sorry But I don't buy that. We are not going to war with Russia. Nor is it true that they are our only armed vessels in the arctic. RCN frigates have served on what they call MARLANT missions in the Arctic for decades. The arctic even in summer is very hazardous for submerged submarines so they are not a major threat. And the Ships helicopter provides an ASW capability that is quite effective. Sure some sea sparrows or asroc would be nice but not necessary. Russia only has one carrier and it is not capable of operating in arctic waters. So aircraft as well are not much of a concern except for the opposition. In a pinch, however, the Canadian navy could bolt additional weapons onto the Arctic OPVs’ decks. The latest anti-ship missiles carry their own guidance radars and come in containers that workers can install on almost any reasonable-size warship.
Congratulations for your Northwest Passage transit!
Bravo Zulu!
You guys are the future.
I seen 3 of them in Halifax today, docked together.. There is a US Ford Class Aircraft carrier here too!
This ship is very dynamic. Can operate in ice and very cold weather and also can operate in warm weather. Personally I think they can upgrade these class ships with a missile lauching system and be even more versatile.
what does it need a bigger weapon for, Canada wont be dueling russians with this craft, there are long range land based jets for that
It's a war ship, well patrol ship, so really it belongs in the coast guard then, no?
@@tomlarocque4720 I have a feeling it'll mostly be used for artic patrol and research. It'll probably only fire its weapons in training. I believe it'll work like a recon team, think of recon vehicles like the TAPV going in before the rest of the assets.
@@tomlarocque4720 There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
@@r_emerasynth Incorrect actually
Listen. The old obsolete AOR supply vessels Preserver and Protecteur had a superior self-defense suite & certainly no one expected them to be upon the sharp end either. Using this logic, there's no reason for it not to have one 20mm CIWS Phalanx somewhere midships or aft. Along with its present armaments.
That should be it's minimum protection.
In wartime one could add missiles of some sort for long range pop. And augmenting heavy machine guns in some kind of weather proof firing turret with NVG.
Keep up the good work 👍
Fine looking ship named after a real Canadian Naval hero , here are two suggestions for the next in class , CPO Vaino Partenan HMCS Kootenay , Oct.23 , 1969 , Cross of Valor(Posthumous) , PO Lewis Stringer HMCS Kootenay , Oct 23 , 1969 Cross of Valor (Posthumous).
Greg Mackenzie HMCS Bonaventure , 1967 - 1970.
I believe the currently laid hulls in construction (3) are already named, so maybe for the last two hulls...
@@mississaugaicedogs Knowing the Federal Govt. rather than name a ship after two who gave there lives trying to save others during the HMCS Kootenay fire they will probably name her after some indigenous person!
Well now no more excuses for late pizza deliveries over 40 minutes under combat conditions!!!?
I miss my time on the Huron as a shipwright
a good friend of mine (sailed with him when he was a JOUT) is the "old Man"...
Looks like snub nosed shark or pit bull. Liking it
when are they gonna add more weapons like surface to air missles and submaine killer torpedos
This is a coastal patrol boat. It's mainly just to patrol Canadian territorial waters and enforce sovereignty
@@AmokCanuck . oh...you mean like a pleasure yacht....if attack call 911
@@juanvaldez4575 There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol.
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol.
This ship is 100% politics driven and 0% efficient capabilities.
No, we need to protect the North! That shipping lane is critical to future world geo-politics
@@norsemen8878 These ships aren't there to "protect" anything. They function kind of like a security guard at the mall, if/when they get into a real fight their as good as sunk. To "observe and report" should be the motto of Joint Task Force North and these ships.
@@flashpointfps7619 I totally get that. Canada is cheaping out on our defence again while our military capacity has been depleted and our shipyards have starved for 40 years and now they are trying to fix it by giving the shipyards slow steady work with the national shipbuilding program and that is adding huge amounts of inflation to costs of the ships while they have billions and billions for stupid bullshit around the world to piss our money away on and now we are stuck with a major predicament. What they should do is build the ships as fast as possible to keep costs down and then implement a new national ship building program and build 3 amphibious assault ships to start and our shipyards can build mega blocks so we keep our shipbuilding capacity alive. Also if we really want to protect the Arctic we need nuclear subs. Bottom line. Here is a good article on the ships ..
www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/06/25/nice-new-patrol-ship-youve-got-there-canada-itd-be-a-shame-if-somebody-sank-it/amp/
this is a glorified pleasure yacht
Déjà rouiller
Beautiful vessels, great force (RCN) but why don't they arm their vessels better especially those that will deal directly with peer nation vessels for example their frigates which are their main scv is armed with a 57mm deck gun (the uscg NSC primary weapon) instead of the 76mm even the USN new Constellation frigates will have the 57mm instead of the 76mm, is due to budget or defense ideology? Btw I know it have SAM'S SSM's CIWS etcetera but misses run out faster than traditional ammunition so it would surmise that you would want a weapon that can provide somewhat modest range firepower and flexibility
Especially since the NoCGV Svalbard that this class is based, is armed with a 57mm, as is the current RCN Halifax class. The new Type 26 ships will have 127mm main gun and lots of missiles though.
You figure they're going to be blasting away broadsides at each other like they're Nelson's Oaken Wall? It doesn't make sense for Canada to start an arms race in the Arctic. Whatever gun size we put on our ship, the next guy goes the next size up and so on. That 1" chain gun is perfectly capable of supporting a company of men operating on a shoreline in some tight Northwest Passage waterway. .. "littoral" czcams.com/video/izP3liVmfCE/video.html It will not be big enough for another Jutland. The British design for their :Offshore Patrol" ship is the River Class such as HMS Tamar. She is quite a bit smaller, not capable of operation in the Arctic. She can land an Merlin, which is the same size as a Cyclone but there is no hanger. The Canadian Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship and the Royal Navy Offshore Patrol ship have almost identical armament, though. The British ship is equipped with the VERY SLIGHTLY larger 30 mm Bushmaster chain gun and a couple of machine guns, a couple of mini guns. They are both in the same role (outside the Arctic) with almost identical firepower.. If the time ever comes that bigger armament is required on them, their design suggests that they can be "upgunned " to 57 mm without much fiddling. If you need to make them more powerful in a hurry, remember that really big flight deck back aft and put a helicopter on it that has some offensive capabilities..
I agree in part, but in reality it’s the 21st Century and that brings a lethality that requires a match in capability especially from peer adversaries,the 57 is good for patrol vessels and coast guards but in a contested maritime environment where vessels armed with 3 and 5 inch weapons plus their compliment of SSM ASW etc etc then a lightly armed frigate will struggle to survive,the LCD of the USN is a more capable platform than the Halifax frigate that the RCN have. The point is the RCN wants to play with the big boys but on a child’s budget and defense posture, how long is Canada going to rely on the US and allies for their major engagement needs,like carrier strike or amphibious assault capabilities! Can we agree that Canada’s liberal approach to the defense needs of Canada somewhat contribute to that?
It is a patrol vessel not a destroyer. The navy has larger vessels for what you describe.
@@bennuredjedi Type 26 ... wait for it.
We sent an Arctic patrol ship to the Caribean?....... OKKKK....well, I hope the boys and girls had fun!😅
Why not?
It isn’t like it can’t function properly if it isn’t in the artic.😂 It’s just able to function better than most ships in those sorts of conditions.
Those folks signed a piece of paper that agrees to give their life for Canada if need be , as far as I'm concerned they can take all the tropical r&r they want......
Arctic and Patrol Vessel, it is designed for general missions set on patrolling, we have additional features to make us effective in the arctic
Great ship. But it’s armament is pretty weak tbh
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
CWIS for Defence
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
Nice design BUT....
Is the HMCS Harry DeWolf a warship or lightly armed Coast Guard patrol vessel?
Actually, by all accounts she looks more like an armed explorer yacht.
Welcome to Trudeau's navy.
These ships were designed and approved before Trudeau was elected PM. One if the few things we can’t blame him for.
@@garywagner2466 Agreed but once you start looking into the RCN's new ships one wonders about the navy's mission statement. It appears we are again regressing into a humanitarian policing force aka- the 1965 green uniform unification adventure. I would love to better understand the DeWolf's mission. A forward mounted 25mm weapon is hardly offensive by any standard, Her stern and rear quarters appear completely defenceless. This is not a ship one would deliberately put in harms way.Years in design and construction, granted but Justin is at the helm so let him wear it.
@@douglasker9770, these vessels are apparently designed for light patrol duties in moderate ice. I doubt they would be tasked to fight a battle, and I agree they would not survive one. But when was the last naval battle fought in Canadian waters? Naval procurement has been a running joke for many years, as the bureaucrats appear to be in charge and they would have trouble managing a piss up in a brewery. On the positive side, we now have the limited ability to put a vessel or two in the arctic to help control access to the Northwest Passage. That’s long overdue, especially as the Coast Guard has been under-equipped for decades. At least King Justin the Embarrassing didn’t cancel military procurement or disband the navy. Yet.
@@garywagner2466 LOL, king Justin😄😄Couldn't agree more
So true
Any Huron boys out there
I did stanaforlant 1978
No air defence? 🤔
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
Since you're deleting your comments, you are apparently a member of this fringe we hear so much about. Again, I refer you back to my original comment, hence why only few people are capable of joining, as they may be able to deferential between warship and patrol ship... also, we use ally made equipment, why would we use Russian? As it will be a clear contradiction of NATO and CAF beliefs, as well as russian equipment has a severe failure rate. We are with the times here, that is why we have patrol ships.
Obviously it carries very exsepnsive equipment such as two MRI machines & that beach landing vessel. So it begs the question: Why such a meager armament suite? I feel this is a great question & apparently Admiral Norman was not impressed either.
If it is an artic patrol vessel, why does it have open to air & sea machine gun mounts circa 1941?
Doesn't the RCN care about it's gun crew?
This vessel rates a 20mm CIWS Phalanx over top its helicopter hangar. And a main deck gun with greater range-greater capabilities.
It's only logical to protect costly assets not easily replaced. Inclusive it's worthy of better crew.
HMCS Defenceless
Their will be staffing issues to be sure.
Nope
Glorified ferry.
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
Wow what a difference from the sixtys when I served
I served in the 70s and I quite like this new navy. It would be nice if they stopped cancelling ships, though there were supposed to be 18 frigates, not 12. I'll be surprised if they finish the whole 15 ship Type 26 order. The AOPS are obviously all going to get built, though.. Two are in the water. A third is almost ready to launch. The 4th is being assembled, #5 has her steel cutting.
@@abrahamdozer6273 wait there was supposed to be 18 Halifax class frigates?
@@BL-bg1fj The last batch of six was cancelled.
@@abrahamdozer6273 why?
@@BL-bg1fj Budgetary Issues among other things
These ships seem okay for shore patrol ships but bad for arctic warships. RCN needs extremely capable Arctic warships with multiples different types of missiles guns and torpedos, needs nuclear submarines, nuclear icebreakers and airforce bases in arctic or aircraft carrier or possibly a Drone Carrier for Uav Drones And attack drones.
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
hope you have about 40 billion for the nuclear subs and bases that would be required. Yeah you do not understand. Diesel boats are designed to end noisy nuclear subs. A little knowledge would help
@al Pearson clearly I know more than you. Clearly you don't know anything g about patrol ships
Perspective: Now retired Admiral Norman was not impressed with its current self defence suite. So why should we?
Clearly others drink to kool aid here.
The US Navy has godsmack's music in their recruiting ads. Canada?
Godsmack sucks
We have amazing pay and benefits...
*MESSIAH OF ISRAEL: The people are in control of the Crown.*
are they gonna add missles on the ship for defense ???? are they gonna have torpedo on the ship to hunt submarine, its a beautiful shit for coast guard but until they beef up the weapons , its just a search and rescue ship made to patrol the artic , but common russia will laugh at this ship in the north , they will be abile to do circles around this ship, no defense missles or anything wat a waste of tax payers money man, we need destroyes and the new type 26 frigete like the government promised , so we can defend our waters and a few more new nucler submarines would be nice too justin trudeo , our prime minster acts like every other counrty is using fisher price toys lol.
again... There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
You do realize that the Type 26 (CSC) "Frigate" has build status in Canada, well before you made this comment...
probaly in 5 years the harry de wolf will just be a lobster boat , all its good for, go canadian navy catch those fish in the water lol
Again... There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.
seems to be an excellent ship for the coast guard, but as a Navy ship she is toothless and useless. No offense to the sailors who serve on it but if a shooting war were to break out and you had to defend the country with that, your odds of winning any naval engagement would be 0%
To be fair it is an arctic based vessel so the likelihood of it coming up against an aircraft carrier or a cruiser or something is next to zero, It's role isn't to fight in a naval battle.
There is a very different perspective on experienced and inexperienced in CAF and RCN as well as naval power projections and class designations. This is not an ASW vessel nor an ASuW vessel, there is no reason for those kinds of weaponry on this platform. "Warships" will be armed for war, this is a patrol vessel which is armed to patrol. This ship has made a considerable contributing interdicting numerous real-world drug smugglers and gathering intelligence. They have also rescued SOLAS survivors. Which is exactly what they were designed to do.