Is 9mm Ammo Best for Self-Defense?
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00:00 A viewer wants to know the best handgun caliber for self-defense.
00:57 Is 9mm the best?
03:08 Every gun and ammo combination is different.
05:15 Different types of self-defense pistol ammo.
07:33 9mm versus .40 cal.
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Practice, Practice, Practice with whatever caliber you carry, shots on target is the key!
Xactlly 100 rounds do No good if No hits Happen True Fact
One head shot is worth 9in the bush.
For self defense I prefer the .12ga. It's got the best reputation for single shot stops. It has achieved the reputation by tearing off a chunk of your opponent and throwing it on the ground!
.45 for us Californians.
I love 9 mil and I love 40 Smith & Wesson I have both and I carry both
Same here my friend.
Same here bud.
Same here bro.
I will say he is 100% correct on the 9mm vs 40S&W round. Former law enforcement here, and shot a Sig p229 40S&W years ago as my duty weapon, they were what was issued us. I shot the gun really well, never had any issues with it, so when I left they were going to other handguns and I purchased my issue weapon. I have carried it ever since until last year. As I got older I started having arthritis in my hands and wrist, and the day after the range I would ache. I loved my Sig, and didn't want to learn a new gun. I bought a Sig M11-A1 in 9mm. It did the trick the recoil was less. didn't have the pain the next day. I won't say that I shot it way better than my .40 S&W but I could group my shots quicker. The other thing was I put the same grips I hand on my P229, they look like twins, used the same holster, and my wife didn't know I bought another gun. Which really made the switch a win win win!
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🤣I did armed security for the FAA 7 years, pre and post 9/11 (and later went Active Duty, Army). I purchased my first handgun at about 24 years old from a coworker. A used SIG PRO SP2340 in .40 S&W. It was a cheaper Sig model and had a polymer frame. I spent many hours at an indoor range plinking. It was a good gun, accurate, but it didn't like reloads at all. It also kicked...like it wanted to jump out of your hand if you didn't have a firm grip. I sold it to a fellow Soldier (who later become a State Trooper). About 5 years later I purchased a Sig P226 Elite Scorpion in 9mm eventually got the wife a P239 in 9mm. It's a discontinued model and was purchased used from my local FFL. It has a single stack mag and fit her hand better than anything else full-frame we looked at. I'm fine with 9mm and happy I only have to buy one type of ammo now for both of us. She never shot the .40 but I'm sure she would have been intimidated by the kick. She has difficulty with the slide release though with her womanly weak thumbs 😂
@@nated5355 Nice!
So women, geriatrics, and bird wristed men should shoot 9mm. Have you ever heard of .380? It's really light recoiling.
@@marklemist6928 nuttin wrong with 40
I carry .38 Special +P JHP.
If you’re comfortable with your 40 or 45 that you’ve had for years, I’ll never tell ya to ditch it. But this is a hill I will die on: if we’re comparing 9mm, 40, and 45….. they all do the same thing for all intents and purposes. Shot placement is what matters. A determined attacker will not go down unless you hit his off button. That being the heart, spine, or T-box(nose and eyes area). More bullets equals more chances to hit an off button. Less recoil equals easier to get a followup shot….. to try to hit that off button.
If you don’t hit the vital areas it doesn’t matter what caliber you use. Just be confident in it and make sure it’s still a “real” caliber(380 and up basically). My reasons are why I choose 9mm. But use whatever “real” caliber gun you’re comfortable with.
I can put a first shot from my .22LR Firefly pistol, drawn from the hip, one handed, in a 2 inch circle, on the forehead of my target paper, an average of 7 out of 8 times, from 12 yards. I never fire a second shot, because in real life that fight would be over. That is my practice. I do it once a day, every day, and I always win.
@@timhallas4275 should post a video on your channel then... Lol
@@justraymond3182 Then I'd be just another youtuber....no thanks.
The ammo panic may be over, but we are never going back to the prices we all loved so much.
I mean they are going down 9mm used to be like 15 bucks right now its 17 to 20 buck a box of 50 fmj
AMEN BROTHER AMEN!!
Very true.
Increased supply lowers price
@@AroundSun they won't bring the prices back down though
I worked in a morgue for years. 357 Magnum 125 grain SJHP was the 1 shot man stopper by far. We also had 1 shot stops by 22 short but they were rare.
Assassinations vs. gun fights. Both end up in the morgue, but that does not mean the tool used for assassinations is the best tool for self defense.
@@charliefoxtrot5001
Depends on what tool you're using for your assassination.
@@relicpathfinder2800 Exactly my point! Using morgue data is idiotic, because it does not consider the circumstances. By the way, I have seen morgue data that favors .22 caliber handguns.
Because 22s are more common with accidents and suicides
Wow. The coroners just left the bullets in the corpses like that?
Someone did a test where he took the same federal jhp in 9mm, 40 s&w, and 45 acp, in the heaviest grain of each respective cartridge, all fired out of full size glocks. All three calibers had negligible differences when fired into ballistic gel. So just go with whatever you're comfortable shooting and can afford, and call it a day.
So true. I'm a huge Paul Harrell fan, and didn't realize it until I started getting into his videos, that that advice is so true.
The best gun/caliber is what you can use and practice with.
@@kurtismotif What about 5.7? I know: expensive, over-fancy, for the "cool" guys.
@@exorevbivoevturque 5.7mm is specifically designed to pierce through armor. Not exactly practical in most civilian applications. But yes, it's very cool.
@@kurtismotif Exactly 💯👍 Agree totally
every test has its caveats. every study i have seen uses production ammo which is loaded as the manufacturers choose, not necessarily the optimum for each cartridge. most of the testing uses standard and +p for 9 and 45 but only mediocre loads for 40. there is a significant difference with a full power standard pressure 40
I would like ammo manufacturers to give a range of suggested barrel lengths for different self defense ammo. At least it would be general guideline for best performance.
Agreed
100%
With all due respect, it’s very unlikely that will happen due to potential liability. What one can do, as mentioned in this presentation, is compare test results and velocity out of barrel lengths similar to the firearms an individual owns and uses for lawful purposes.
Most 9mm gun makers use 124gr wts to R&D firearms. I prefer 124gr +P in my 9x19mm guns.
Hell yeah! That would be a major help. I use a number of different round types and loads to find the best for each gun and that gets old fast.
Shot placement is king. The Florida theatre shooting was done with two shots from a small .380, and the guy dropped dead in a matter of seconds.
i just spilled my popcorn.
I usually carry JHP .40 Cal
Can't go wrong with a 40
2 years ago I traded in my 40 cal Glock for a 9MM Glock 17 but now regret it. The extra punch of the 40 just gives me more reassurance.
The .40 is DEAD ⚰️ shout many of the US gun cadre, gun channel hosts. Slow your roll I say! 🗣 I have 4 .40S&W guns. I often carry my Glock 22 gen 4 or gen 5 MOS .40 on security posts 🚔. Will bad guys or felons burst into a red mist? No. But a .40 semi auto holds 15+1 & carrys just like a regular 9mm firearm. I use bonded Golden Saber or Winchester Defender(PDX1). I'd add with M&Ps or Glocks, gen 1-4 type you can buy, quickly swap a .40 to a 9mm caliber, .357sig. So with a few after market barrels; LWD 🐺 KKM, mags you now get 3 guns.
@@DavidLLambertmobile Bigger bullets generally work better on bigger game. I've recently noticed that the bad guys have been getting "bigger" or at least heavier too.
A good 9mm +p or +p+ is giving you comparable energies to 40...in addition to more shots!! Food for thought
@@applepie1911e 50-100 foot pounds is a good jump in power from 360.
@@kevinrichardson8859 that is also extra wear and tear on your gun. My H&K was designed for the 40.
I'm ordering a owb holster for my 4" 10mm M&P. I think I'm going to start carrying that, upgrade from 9.
10mm is probably my favorite round. Just my opinion. I carry my Glock 29 most of the time.
@@brandonbennett7337 What ammo are you running? I have some 180g S&B, but I think the best that I have is 135g Underwood at 1700 FPS and 780 ft/lbs. People say the 180s are better, I find that hard to believe. Those seem like .40 ballistics.
I would say 9x19 is a very balanced round, like the Honda Accord of ammo. Not best at anything, but not worst either, and there's always some around. The best ammo for self defense is the ammo that works reliably in the gun that you prefer to carry. It's all better than a sharp stick. For me, it's always a JHP. I stay away from "boutique" self defense ammo because it's too pricey and isn't always better than basic Winchester white box or similar. If the basic brands work reliably in your carry gun, use them and leave the fancy-shmancy stuff on the shelf.
Middle of Road good plan Agree
I went to the Lucky Gunner site and looked at the best performing ammos for the 40SW. I then test fired the ammo I preferred through my Beretta PX4 Storm and settled on the Winchester Defender PDX1 165 grain.
40's not dead I carry 40cal as but use 165 grain hydrashok
You're very smart.
Lucky Gunner has done a thorough job testing various defense loads. Great format with photos and graphs.
Walmart used to sell a Winchester white box with I think black lettering 40 cal. that was bonded.
I have seen other similar boxed Winchester that was not bonded. Seems like it had red lettering.
Either way it said bonded on the box.
JMB made 9.8mm for reason. 👍
50 bmg is clearly best.
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"50 BMG" Best for Concealed Carry?
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It really is, because .950 jdj is too expensive and bulky to carry, but .50 Beowulf doesnt have enough powder ya know. .50 bmg APIT is the king
30mm
My Hellcat uses 9mm Federal HST Premium 147g JHP. They have very consistent ballistics.
I am really liking the xtreme Defender. Underwood's ballistic tests are showing a PWC (permanent wound cavity) 100% larger than ANY hollow point with almost zero chance of over penetration. The pwc in a block of gel is terrifying
Not only does the Xtreme Defender leave a nasty permanent wound cavity, it does so at a consistent depth. One of the many reasons it’s my choice for self defense.
In a court of law,your doomed!The round looks viscous!Good luck…
Look at G9 Defense Woodsman round. Largest expansion on the market
@@mikev8075 the manufacturer can back you up.
Thanks for the info bud. I live in Jersey and only have 2 options for defense round which are extreme defender and Hornaday polymer filled. Other than that nothing else is legal to ccw. Been debating on carrying a 45 because of this disaster of a state
40 hollow for me
Great info, wonderful presentation. Thanks for the post!
Thanks for another great video, Kevin! What a thorough analysis of the benefits and viability of 9mm ammo. I am now more confident to carry a 9mm pistol, over other caliber options, than ever before. Excellent job!
I use Speer gold dot le in all my carry guns.
Good round but too hot for my G3c, at least in my hand.
I use Speer gold dot for my g2c.
Speer for my .38 👍
I've been rolling with Norma 108gr monolithic hollowpoints. have seen good tests from guns like mine with it. good velocity and good expansion
Say brother check out tools and Target on that Winchester Ranger t video
The same technology that has greatly improved the performance of the 9mm has been applied to all the calibers and made them more efficient. That's why I Iove them all... Personally I carry 45 acp +p. But that's just me. Carry what you like.
Exactly!
I'm .45 all the way.
The only advantage 9mm has is capacity.
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 and follow on shot split times.
@@hall0341... that depends on the shooter.
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 all other things being the same you don't think caliber has a direct impact on the split times of accurate shots?
@@hall0341, in the Army I qualified expert with a 9mm. Now in civilian life I carry a .45 and it feels less snappy to me despite being polymer instead of a full steel frame like the Beretta was... the recoil feels more like a push than a flip... it's difficult to explain in words and might be my weird ergonomics due to multiple injuries. I also don't use a forward grip on my AR, instead it has a FAB defense stock that holds a 30 round mag in it to put weight on the backend and I shoot it kinda like it's a pool cue.
Also some flat nose hollow points may stove pipe. Always tests whatever you buy. Found out my firearm likes narrower hollow points with a polyermer tip.
The issue I have with 9mm JHP are matching barrel length/weight.
I chose a 115gr 9mm TUI for my 4" truck gun and 9mm 50gr +p ultra lite HP in a 4" barrel for the house.
Keep in mind that while the bullet design and powder charge have improved for 9mm, they also have for other calibers as well. I shot a lot of 40 in USPSA competition as well as .38 super. While 40 was the darling of limited division USPSA, it has fallen out of favor for the 9mm even though scored minor. Too bad as it's still an awesome round.
I have become a big fan of critical defense rounds these are tin bullets with a much lighter weight, and a huge hollow cavity. I know bullet weight but these are proven rounds. The hollow point expands to twice the diameter. When you add to that the 2000 ft muzzle velocity and minimal kick these are great self defense rounds
@@RobertRobert-xu2yd I use Critical Defense in all my carry guns regardless of caliber. Bullet is very similar to Hornady XTP that I have loaded for practice. I'm somewhat impervious to recoil having shot USPSA for so many years.
I hear you myself and my wife both carry, she a.357 and me a .41 sw mag . I also keep a 9mm in the car. Everybody is different whatever you feel comfortable with is good
I have seen the 9mm fail many times, I haven’t seen my 230 grain Hydra shocks from my .45 ACP fail yet.
I’m just as accurate with .40 as I am 9mm. Probably because .40 was my first handgun and it was the first I learned to be accurate with.
Guess I'm a Fudd. FWIW, my goto starts at .4, is slow moving (850-900 fps am told), heavy (230, some is 250 grains weight), and generally stops at 18 inches or so in ballistic gel - or so shown in various videos. Granted, most 9mm hand guns have higher cap and my .4 or better is lower cap. That heavy projectile is - true or not - noted for shattering bone impacted. What happens to an attacker with shattered bones - he, she or it doesn't continue to do whatever they're doing.
The Best Handgun Caliber-A Real world study Breaks down the Stats on this Question.....Very Very Informative
Grand Thumb did a video on this one... It's amazing and now I only carry speer gold dot
Just saw that video
I agree and I just picked up a cz75 in 9mm - I love it
I just got a cz rami in 9mm what a shooter . At 20 yards I get one flyer out of a mag.
I like the following calibers for defensive use
380, 9mm, 40s&w, 357 (and 38), 10mm, 44mag (and 44special), 223/5.56, 12ga.
The main reason that I always carry my 4" 1911 45 is that besides of its proven track record of being a threat stopper, I always look at the legal side of the equation. Depending on where you live, if you have to fire more than three rounds, the DA will try his/her best to charge you with excessive use of deadly force. I figure that any thug that can take 9 230 grain hollowpoints and still keep coming, deserves to get me. That's what the 2 spare mags come in 😆
But what if there’s more than one bad guy?
@@jasonheadlee2 In that case, maybe a trunk shotgun or rifle will work.😂
@@respondcommander9332 Problem is, they're in the trunk!
@@jasonheadlee2
What if?
What if you're a victim and you just don't see bad guy #2 or #5?
What if there is only one and they get the drop on you?
What if...what if...what if...?
@@jasonheadlee2 Hm, FN FNX45 with 15+1 of 45ACP, 3 mags of 15 rounds each, probably with ~185gr JHP to get more velocity to ensure the JHPs open up AND lessen the weight? After all, 46 rounds of 230gr. weighs a good bit.
I love my G19 gen2! I wouldn't trade it for anything else when it comes to my routine carry weapon. I also have a Rugar LC9, when I need something with a lower profile, ie, closer fitting clothes. I can also carry it via a ankle holster, for a backup.
At one time, years ago, our area of the Carolinas had a serial killer on the loose, followed a couple years later by a rapist. All our local sheriff's and police chiefs encouraged everyone legally eligible to get their CWP, and literally said they'd "look the other way" for people who had pending applications. They let us know they didn't have enough deputies/officers to respond as quickly as a true life & death situation required, and to be prepared to defend ourselves, and our loved ones!
I've taken that to heart ever since then.
That's good law enforcement... focused on the bad guys and leaving the good guys alone.
We have had something like that in Allegheny County Pa. Our Sheriff's office brought the carry permits to us, so we didn't have to go into crowded downtown Pittsburgh. They set up remote permit stations all over the county,where you filled out your application in advance, showed up,waited inline for a while, then handed them $20, and in 4 minutes they printed out your license. I have heard they issued over 200,000 licenses in under 2 years. WE ARE ARMED.
Duncan Proctor the serial rapist?
Mine, 124 ball American Eagle ball & 124 HP federal. The weapon is a four and a quarter inch barrel, seventeen & one, S&P, M&P9. Fast rounds from a short barrel.
I’m now using 9mm federal 150 grain SJFN for defense and practice
Hello Kevin, I agree 100% with everything said, Thank you Sir. 👍🇺🇸
Winchester Core bonded pdx1. You will never need any other. If you can't find it, then I would recommend Hornaday critical defense and a 3rd option is Spear Gold Dot.
Underwood Ammo 147gr +P+ Bonded Gold Dot 😁😉💪
I mostly use Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P. JHP. Very reliable and consistent.
Thank you for the great video,
Question: How about mix 2 or 3 different quality hollow point ammo, exemple using hornedy and hst mixed in magazin?
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I use ARX Inceptor for my Glock 19 and Freedom Munition for my Beretta APX, SIG SAUER for my Glock 21, Freedom Munition for my Glock 27 and Springfield SA-XD .40
Federal HST 😎
All day long!
The best ammo is whatever you are comfortable shooting out of a reliable firearm. You're trying to stop, not kill. If a .22 works so be it.
.22lr is great for pest animals and are sooooooo cheep you can fire all day. I use .22lr, 9mm and 12 gauge. All are common and have different uses.
.22lr is a self defense round too! .38 and 380 also. low recoil, many rounds and will kill the same
I like the extreme defense . The test I’ve seen through barriers with gel show me the most consistently and some body armor penetration
I like Federal Syntech defense. But I also use Buffalo Bore 147Grain +P+ for my 9mm glocks.
In my view, for ccw or duty, defense, go with proven LE 👮🏼♂️ rounds from respected firms; Winchester Defender bonded, Remington Golden Saber, Hornady Critical Duty or XTP, Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot. Some police & state highway patrols use 147gr some 124gr. +P.
I agree. Lehigh has introduced some of the best performing ammo I have ever seen. I used to use hollow point ammo but with the fact that it can plug up with fabric, makes it less desirable as a self defense round.
@@applepie1911e The gel tests I have seen, and there are several, seem to prove otherwise. The extreme defense may work similar to fmj (only slightly), but the energy transfer and wound channel surpass a good hp when shot through dense fabric. Just my opinion.
I love and carry liberty civil defense 50 grain +p super fast light round stops in the first object it hits little risk of collateral damage
I use Hornady critical defense 115g FTX 9mm in my glock 19 gen 5. Haven’t had to use it in a self defense situation thank god but if I do I’m very comfortable with my set up.
I've 40 and a 9mm I usually carry my glock 22 with Hornady duty
I use .40 caliber WINCHESTER RANGER T-SERIES 165 gr. JHP.
9 mm is my backup.
What bullet would you recommend for an Sig P365 for home defense? Thanks
Mostly carry a 5.7x28mm, BUT also tote either .45 acp with sig 230 grain JHP elite performance, or if dressed up, a .380 auto with Hornady 90 grain Critical Defense in my vest hider pocket or my ankle. The Hornady Critical Defense travels farther flatter, with better terminal performance than any .380 cartridge I've tried. Definitely a hail Mary gun, but I like knowing it'll do what I need at very close range.
5.7x28mm? In a pistol? What ammo?
57 chad
Underwood ammo makes the most potent 380 ammo...its 90 grain +p xtp or its 102 grain brass jhp both have more velocity and energy than critical defenses 90 grain
You must be an accomplished gun slinger.
I personally think jhp are effective largely because sd ammo is loaded more consistent than cheap fmj and the effects of opening prevent the less desirable over penetration. If they fail to open they zip through like a fmj and if they break apart they lose weight and may fail penetrating a vital. I've been using the 9mm +p xd rounds from Underwood because they group tight for me and the recoil impulse is really comfortable, they are as barrier blind as fmj but stop consistently in a soft target. For my carry ammo my priority is reliable, accurate, and doesn't pass through and hit someone else. I like practicing with a higher recoil ammo and when I fire a box of my carry ammo it's far easier to fire fast and tight groups.
Grate information my friend. I’am new at all this and have seen videos an heard different opinions, but I would really appreciate having your opinion on best self defense amo for Glock 19 gen 5. Have a nice day.
Posting this without the link, as CZcams is censoring it otherwise.
Any of the Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot or Hornady Critical Duty JHP rounds. These are all service rounds carried by law enforcement and pass the FBI (gel) test. SGAmmo has 50 rounds of 9mm Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P for $45.95 right now. They also have 9mm Federal HST 124 grain and 147 grain for the same price.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 Thanks so much for answering and giving and opinion. Once again, grate CZcams Chanel, truly enjoy watching it.
If you can't hit the target, it doesn't matter what you shoot. I'll use the gun that I can put every round on target.
if you want to you can put every round on target with any caliber, just takes practice. i started with a 44mag 35 years ago and find the difference between calibers from 9mm to 10mm is mostly mental. but if someone is convinced there is a significant difference then he will perform as if there were
As a caveman who still shoots occasionally !-Good video as usual TY As a GI fm 67-79 med retired Always Remember a Mentor taught me ammo/slamm'o -Hits on Target Matter's Most.!! Always followed his mantra cause it made Good Sense & was effective. Just a thought fm a Ole VeT
My shield plus had good groups with Federal Hydrashock, not sure how the ballistics would be though with a 3.1 inch barrel. Hornady Critical Defense 115 grain 9mm is advertised for the shorter barrels, but I haven't had the opportunity to test them out yet.
Have shot both with my shield plus, both ammo shot very well,
My gen three S&W 40 because it was stainless slide and frame was easy to manage and really had less recoil than a polymer frame pistol in 9mm .
Plus you can use it to bash your attacker if needed lol. Those things are solid.
i prefer cci ammo 40 cal and gold dot jhp for self defense, but im a big guy. ive practice hrs to improve on it.
Norma NXD 65gr 1,700 fps + with great follow up shots - venturi effect non-expanding tip and performance that does not require hollow point expansion for full energy transfer.
For those people in New Jersey. I do not remember who used to make it, I think it was Federal. It was called guard dog ammo and it was Full Metal Jacket but the nose of the metal jacket. Had silicone between the jacket and the front of the lead body of the bullet. And when it hit something it would at least expand I believe to about 50 caliber or a bit more. Maybe a bit less. But it would do it even when it hit something hard. It wouldn't just fill up the hollow-point and act like a full metal jacket. But it is a full metal jacket round. If it's still manufactured, I believe once again that it was called guard dog ammo. And it was a reasonable man stopper. I don't know why they don't want you to carry hollow-point ammo. Howell point ammo kills fewer people than Full Metal Jacket because you don't have to shoot them six or eight times. Usually one or two Good Hits will bring somebody down.
Remember what Wyatt Earp said, that fast is fine, but accuracy is final.
And the last I checked the United States was not a signatory to the Hague Accords. The reason being. We use shotguns in World War 1 and still you do today.
Yeah I live in New Jersey and the laws here favor criminals. That guard dog ammo is discontinued but my 12 gauge is loaded with 00 buckshot.😁
I like Hornady Critical Duty
9mm is my go too. 20 rounds. Hornaday custom 147 grain xtp. Out of my carry gun. My canik mete sfx
Well said. With advent of the 5.7 x28 and the 30 Super Carry do you have any opinion if they will replace the 9 mm or even the 380 as a defensive round.
5.7x28 out of a pistol is a glorified 22 magnum. 30 Super Carry is a boutique round, just as .45 GAP or 9mm Dillon. 9mm won't be replaced anytime soon. .380 is more and more getting replaced by 9mm.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 thanks Charlie
N.J. has a law against hollow point bullets. I always question the facts, Hollow points will mainly impact the alleged attacker and never penetrate to hit a bystander. Where a full jacket has the possibility of going through and striking a possible bystander. Am I correct?
you can still over-penetrate with an HP. it just dumps more energy sooner and makes a larger permanent wound cavity because of the expansion thwt makes it LESS likely to over-penetrate. But it really depends on what in the body gets hit anyway.
Occasionally, I find a Firearms video that is convincing on its subject matter. This is one!
Nice video, Kevin 👍
I would like to see a video on which is the best 9mm hollow point specification for grain and also +\-P for an EDC gun (i.e. G43x, P365X series, etc).
That's complicated and requires a LOT oof effort. Look up ShootingTheBull410 and TNOutdoors9. Both have done good ammo tests. Vista Outdoor (Federal/Speer) also has a Web page with tests of all of their service ammo. Hornady has similar documentation online.
Also with FMJ military rounds, on the battlefield through and through shots are not necessarily a bad thing. If you were to take one enemy out of the fight with a JHP, that's one not shooting back at you. If you wound him with one or two going through, you can take 2 or 3 out of the fight as they work to save their comrade.
Best 9mm defense hollowpoints is the Winchester Ranger T 127gr +P+.
I prefer. 357sig gold dot 124g or Federal HST. Revolver- .357 magnum 125g hollowpoints, gold dots, Federal HST and Remington golden saber hollowpoints.
P.S. 45acp Winchester Ranger T 230,gr hollowpoints.
If you’re new then maybe it makes sense to stick with 9mm but if you’re used to shooting another caliber like .40 for many years, especially over 10, then it really makes no sense to jump on the bandwagon. I remember reading and watching gun videos where people would say choose the largest caliber you shoot best and practice. My cousin who introduced me to shooting and appreciation of guns took me to a small Turners gun shop to purchase my first gun. Since he had a 9mm, I was going to get one too. They didn’t have 9mm in the Springfield XD pistols at that store or at any of their stores in the part of the state I live in. We were on our way to a range, so I chose .40 and I never regretted it. My cousin shot my gun and found my XD 9102’s recoil minimal and almost the same as his 9mm. I later shot a .357 686 Smith&Wesson revolver and found it even smoother than either 9mm or .40mm. I would then purchase a 1st edition Shield chambered in .40 as my EDC/conceal carry gun. I stippled it, replaced the guide rod and spring, ported it, and added a laser-light combo. I still have those 2 guns many years later and I’ll only purchase .40 caliber guns to KISS. I stocked up on all the calibers I own many years ago, and I only have several calibers to simplify things.
Solve all your HP issues by using the Lehigh Defense bullet loaded by Underwood. Xtream Defender. Make sure it functions in your firearm properly after that all other issues you can encounter with HP ammo are solved.
For my edc I carry an xds 45 because a single stack has a low capacity and if I’m limited on capacity I want bigger bullets but if I had a double stack I’d carry a 9 for more holes down range which is why my home defense is a 9mm smith and Wesson with a 17+1 and a light on it sitting on my nightstand. To me, 7 big holes are better than 9 small holes. But is 17 small holes better than 12 big holes? Especially taking into consideration the average self defense scenario only has between 5-7 shots fired? Would you rather have 5-7 big holes or 5-7 small holes?
45 acp!!
At 4:17, what exactly is your definition of stopping power? Physical incapacitation? Psychological desist? A combination?
Gold Dot 9mm 124gr +P
.45 ACP. 230 grain bowling ball. Controllable, reliable, no over penetration, subsonic. Has been a proven manstopper since before 1911. Glock 30sf.
Getting close to 6 years as a full-time firearm instructor. Every Law Enforcement Agency in my state is going BACK to 9mm from 40 S&W. As many have previously stated, SHOT PLACEMENT trumps all other factors. Put a 22LR through the nasal cavity of an attacker and there is a 99% chance that the attack stops in seconds. Now... can the average CCW permit holder or average LEO place that shot on a moving attacker? Probably not.
But for a center-mass shot, 9mm hollowpoint ammunition generally can reach vital organs but not exit the attacker - that is IDEAL for defensive ammunition. 9mm in Hornady Critical Duty, Hornady Critical Defense, or Federal HST is my go-to ammunition for defensive use.
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00 buck is pretty persuasive
I love when people claim that "9mm has gotten much better over the years". First, that is not really true, and even if it was true, do they not think the SAME improvements would be applied to the other calibers as well. As far as speed of shooting different calibers, if you practice appropriately you will be shooting about the same speed regardless. It comes down to what caliber you practice with. Paul Harrel did the speed test with 9mm, .40, and .45 at ten yards with 10 shots from a draw and his speeds were only a few tenths of a seconds slower for the larger calibers. When you divided that to splits it was less than a tenth of a second. I seriously doubt that is the difference in winning a gun fight. The person that gets ANY significant hit to his opponent will win well over 90% of all fights. The bigger the bullet for that critical "first hit" the more effective it will be. That's just pure physics in my humble opinion. There is nothing wrong with carrying 9mm, but these claims that it's better than a 40 or 45 caliber are just silly.
@selnan zingfa lipgang Ahhhh, wanna elaborate?
After a local pd emptied his 92fs into a oncoming truck windshield & most of them bounced off with only 1 in the bad guys shoulder I’ve continued to carry my 357sig. I do like to put my 9mm lone wolf fluted threaded barrel & run it suppressed for fun.
I started carrying a Sig p365 about two years ago, I carry it every single day its a great fire arm and I train 3 times a month. I did find out that sig made a 380 acp 365 and I bought it. One of the best decisions I ever made with a gun, there is very little recoil, and I can come back to zero quicker than the 9mm. I don’t know if it is the best but it does give me confidence because of how well I can shoot it fast and accurately.
Statistically, concealed carriers who carry well made.380 acp caliber pistols with barrels of 3.5 inches or longer, and using proper self defense ammo, are recording a higher kill ratio than seasoned 9mm carriers. Who knew? .380 ends the fight one round sooner than 9mm on average.
I’m not doubting you or questioning your statement, but I’m very interested in seeing those statistics if you have a link as I’ve never had the opportunity to shoot .380 and would like to try.
@@CosmicGiggleMusic Those statistics are from FBI gun crime stats and police reports on defensive shootings. I don't remember where I saw them. It was 10 years ago.
I have the M&P Shield in .380 and I feel the same way you do, accurate, reliable and easy on the recoil.
I stick with a minimum of 4" with the 9, same with the.40, but a 5" for the.45...
it's a tradition for me....
Sure do love a Commander length, on the .45, it gets the job done, with the right projo!
9mm is definitely not that good across the board, however some varieties with the right technology, in the right gun are as "as good" or almost as good as 'better' calibers. I would say that the 124 gr weight at a +P level in at least a 4.5" barrel is pretty decent, add a good bullet like a Gold Dot or HST and now you are about there for acceptable. Personally I find the HST 124+P in a 5" barrel to be the bees knees with it's adequate penetration and over .60" caliber expansion, but in a shorter barrel I will opt for Gold Dot 124+P because they get a tad more velocity than HST in a shorter barrel.
What can be used in terms of tech with 9mm can be applied to any other cartridge, so the improvement isn't just with 9mm.
I agree 💯 that in general, you can get a Speer Gold Dot +P or HST, Golden Saber bonded. Winchester has the new Ranger One series but it's not fully out, 2022. Why 🤷🏼♂️? No one clearly knows.
@@nokoolaid Yes that is true, but what I have seen is that not all ammo companies apply the same technology, and often times they underload other cartridges. For instance, whether it be Gold Dot, HST or Golden Saber Bonded, through testing of 9mm .40 and .45 in 5" pistols, if a 9mm+P claims 1,200 FPS I often get 1,300 FPS, then I take the same company's .45 ACP that claims 850 FPS, and i'll get 780 FPS, or if it's a .40 it claims 1,000 FPS and I get 900 FPS, through my own chronograph testing of course. Same underloading with .357 Mag and .38 Special often, so it is clear that the main companies are really putting effort into making sure their 9mm will stand up to ballistic testing to win over large contracts, while saying **** it to the other calibers that they aren't getting contracts with.
@@DavidLLambertmobile I haven't heard of the Ranger One, but I have seen similar like "where is it" situations on ammo. I believe it was January 2022 that Federal announced HST in .357 Magnum and .327 Federal Magnum as well as Punch .44 Special (all 3 didn't previously exist) and still to this date these loads don't show up on Federal's website or in any physical or online stores. If you research it, all you find is information from January or February where they announced it.
@@GunSam That could very well be and would make sense, but there are options. Buffalo Bore and Underwood seem to make decent non-9mm stuff. Remington used to make a nice 185g +P that got 1150 and had outstanding gel performance. Check out brassfetcher or something like that. It's pretty dramatic. Lucky Gunner Labs has done a lot of testing too, but it seems hard to get the stuff that performs well in their tests.
It might be interesting to buy some 45 HST and pull the bullets and load them in 45 super cases. 1100 should be possible. I guess one can get Speer bullets for similar results, although the HSTs seem to do a little better. Winchester Ranger T was very good too. LGL got nearly an inch expansion with that.
I have a question. Should you train with the same grain bullet that you carry? For the longest time I couldn’t find 124 gr ammo so I had to train with 115 gr , but now I cane find 124 gr ammo so that a problem any more . Just to say I did test the zero on different grains so I know my holds for different weight ammo . I always hear practice with the grain you carry .
It can definitely be beneficial to train with the ammo weight that you carry. It is different for everyone and is ultimately your personal preference on how to train. There are lots of people that train with conversion kits in their guns but will carry a completely different caliber in that firearm. For instance, you can get a 9mm conversion barrel to use while training in a gun that is designed to shoot .40 cal.
What it all comes down to is if you are able to make the slight adjustment and maintain accuracy when carrying a different weight of ammunition in your carry gun.
Pay more attention to muzzle energy than bullet weight. You'll get a better match.
I'd take .40 S&W with Federal HSTs over any 9mm round anyday.
The power of .380 ACP guns is noticeably below that of 9mm weapons. The maximum velocity (1000 FPS) and energy ratings (148 MPa) of the .380 are about 40% below a 9mm, both using JHP+P type loads. While this means the .380 is less destructive, it also performs with less of a recoil, making it a more accurate weapon in short-range, rapid-fire use.
Federal HST 147gr!!!!!
The best of the best! But the 147 gr Remington Golden Sabers are right up there as well. 😎👍
40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions.
The best is and always is the Hertenburger Buscadero Ticondas
I syill carry 40 on occasion
Part of the 2017 military contract for Sig M17/M18 was ammo to be provided. The ammo now used by our military is Elite Performance Sig JHP. It's no longer FMJ except for training. This practice actually started in 2015 with special forces and grew to all after new sidearm trials and selection.
Incorrect. The issued 9mm JHP is M1153 manufactured by Winchester.
Best to me is .45 acp jacketed HP. Always makes big holes.
Do you have a particular brand that you carry most, Gregory?
@@USCCAOfficial Federal HST + P JHP
Keep it up sir
The FMJs for pistol are usually only used OCONUS…Military cops carry JHPs stateside FYI
Nothing beats the federal hydra shock 147 gr. Best overall hands down
The 147 gr. HST and the 147 gr. Remington Golden Sabers beat the Hydra Shock all day long.
This isn't my opinion either, it's been proven through testing. 🙏👍
Or the Xtreme Penetrator/Defender ammo that looks like a Robertson head screwdriver, ppenetrates well, maintains its weight and still gives good hydraulic performance.
I'll take my FNX 45 Tactical with a 5.3 inch threaded barrel, suppressor height night sights, Trigicon RMR, Picatinny rail, and double stack 15 round magazine.
With the two extra mags I carry, + 1 in the chamber, that 46 rounds of Hornady Critical Duty 220gr +p of 45 ACP.
First. I take exception to ammo that opens wide. Pistol cartridges are notorious for not expanding reliably. If they do expand, they put the breaks on! Second. The target isn't the "organs". It should always be the CNS! The Central Nervous System is the target! The only way to Stop the Fight! I'll take over penetration over poor penetration every time! Just my 2 cents.