First look at HS2's state-of-the-art high speed trains
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- HS2 Ltd confirmed in December 2021 that a Hitachi/Alstom JV has been awarded the contracts to build Britain’s next generation of high speed trains at their factories in Derby and County Durham in a major deal set to support 2,500 jobs across the UK.
The landmark contracts - worth an initial £2bn - will see the JV design, build and maintain a fleet of 54 state-of-the-art high-speed trains that will operate on HS2 - the new high-speed railway being built between London, the West Midlands and Crewe.
Capable of speeds of up to 225mph (360km/h), the fully electric trains will also run on the existing network to places such as Glasgow, Liverpool, Manchester and the North West. Building on the latest technology from the Japanese Shinkansen ‘bullet train’ and European high-speed network, they will be some of the fastest, quietest and most energy efficient high-speed trains operating anywhere in the world.
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I see you added this 8 days ago! How many billion has it gone up by since then? Asking for a friend 😑 🙄
About time this contract was awarded. Building train sets will stay in the UK and support UK labour force. Looking forward to seeing final design /mockup.
Surely it'd be better to get them in from a country with more experience with this type of thing (Spain, France, Japan ect)
OMG THIS IS INCREDIBLE NEWS!!! Congrats to Hitachi and Alstom. Lets get these amazing looking trains built
I'm having Crack flash back
About time you woke up and smelt the s,,,t
@@stevendellow9505 its just a joke chill.
Why is Alstom the French company involved? Hitachi was the original contractor ! I would have picked Siemens over Alstom anytime
@@theancientsancients1769 Alstom bought Bombardier who had a joint bid with Hitachi
Let's hope the move to uncomfortable and cramped interiors in Azumas is not happening on HS2 as well. Let's have comfortable seats, adequate leg room, seats matching window positions, and good quality interiors.
@Miles Holder should have comfortable seats with plenty of legroom hopefully.
@Miles Holder Alstom French. British businessmen only purchase overseas businesses but never domestic ones , they could not purchase bombardier, what a shame
@@theancientsancients1769 Why are you all over
this comment section? Do you not have anything else happening in your life? You have absolutely zero British companies that can match the expertise of Alstom. Frecciarossa trains are probably the best high speed trains in the world and this will be a similar product.
@@justsamoo3480 before it was killed off by althom abb and all those BREL and MetCam were pretty good.
Well you have the design done, even the smaller details like The placement of the specific service, the destination, and the call in points
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 67 Octagon and Every 37 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 18 Tonnes for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!!!! And Please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
Cannot fucking wait for these to be in service!
cracking news
I love this rolling stock I can't wait to go on it in future
Nice graphical videos are all well and good, but what about details. Will these trains provide genuine level boarding?
On HS2 tracks they will, that is guaranteed. However it is also near-guaranteed that they won't on the conventional network. For some reason, HS2 is being built to a different standard, not that there really was a universal standard prior to 1923 when most of these stations were built...
All sorted then despite Siemens whingeing as they always do when they lose.
In fairness the consortium is really Bombardier / Hitachi who built the Frecciarossa 1000 for Italian railways which is the fastest and quietest very high-speed train in Europe. Alstom just bought out Bombardier.
That just means we have the expertise of Bombardier's Frecciarossa, Alstom's AGV, and Hitachi's Shinkansen, seems like a winning formula to me
Shinkansen would have been enough , maybe with Siemens, but Alstom? The French look at what they did to Eurostar! I would never go on a contract with them
@@theancientsancients1769 Alstom doesnt have control over French government policy, believe it or not, it's slightly xenophobic to blame Alstom for the actions of the French government
@@theancientsancients1769 This partnership is actually Bombardier / Hitachi and Alstom inherited it when they bought Bombardier.
And what did Alstom do with Eurostar? They made TGVs that ran on the British Gauge (Class 373) and very well too. Siemens built the latest Class 374.
In truth, the Italian Frecciarossa 1000 is a Canadian product with various Italian grafts (aesthetic and technical). The acquisitions of Ansaldo Breda (Hitachi) and Bombardier (Alstom) have changed ownership; the good thing is that Hitachi will develop the platform with its expertise and the English version will basically be a Frecciarossa 1000 2.0 version (with some evolution and upgrades).
Looks very sleek
This looks heavily inspired on the current Hitachi IET, the shapes and all, I wonder if they're similar.
If so, let's hope there's no quality control issues like those that plague the IET.
Look up Bombardier Zefiro. Bombardier was acquired by Alstom and these are Hitachi and Alstom proposed units. Funnily enough, the exact same duo that did the Zefiros for Frecciarossa in Italy. Watch this space.
Interesting that the article mentions body and bogie assembly rather than manufacture in the UK. I am assuming the most critical parts will still be manufactured in France/Japan and sent over for assembly.
We live in a world of global supply. The UK exports £ Bns of parts to train manufacturers around the world.
Everything's made in China.
@@Pvemaster2 No it isn't.... Too much is made there but then we have the choice to not buy Chinese goods.
No, looking at HS2's twitter, it's all UK-based with Japanese and French oversight
@@Pvemaster2 I doubt these trains will contain any chinese parts. Probably some coming from France and Japan though.
Alstom is good kit!!! So glad they got it.😀
I wonder if dedicated HS2 rolling stock will be procured too, to take advantage of HS2's load gauge. dedicated sets to shuttle from Birmingham to London maybe? I don't think so, however...
fitting username haha, the plan was for some for phase 2b, but looks more unlikely now
The HS2 trains will be 14 coaches long and built to the British loading gauge as there is no reason to build them to the European UIC gauge as these trains will North of Crewe be travelling on the conventional lines and the sets being used on the Birmingham to London service will be no different as services will be running from Birmingham to Manchester and the North from Curzon Street
It was inevitable that this would go to a company that would build them in the UK, given the current government's persuasion. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I wonder how they will shape up quality-wise to offerings from the likes of Siemens. The current Hitachi units are not without their critics...
What are the main criticisms of the Hitachi units?
@@flubadubdubthegreat1272 seat comfort (which isn’t to do with hitachi) and ride smoothness (which is still not bad)
Abysmally harsh and bright lighting also counts.
@@pirozigzigwam8594 would be a shame to spend over a hundred billion on a bumpy high speed rail service lmao
@@flubadubdubthegreat1272 metal fatigue for a start.... not to mention some dubious internal fit quality.
Also, why only one door per car on either side? IET’s have two doors per car on either side.
Oh my gosh!
Hi ……. What will be the operational speed of these trains in the HS2 approximately ?
HS2 will have a maximum operating speed of 360 kph (225 mph). This will also be the top speed of these trains. Normal operation will be at around 330 kph (205 mph)
Thank you :)
@@anton95rct I read 340 for normal
I thought it was 225mph linespeed
Please can we have double locomotive hauled trains in the HST style. Much quieter carriages
And accept significantly reduced capacity as the power cars cannot have seats in them? Anyway, modern EMUs are very quiet.
@Zockblatt Shickleblender And significantly improves acceleration.
These trains will be in the HST style in having a power car and driving cap at each end with 12 passenger coaches between them, the only difference between a HST train and these HS2 trains is that a HST is diesel powered and the HS2 train is powered by over head electric cables.
Still a bit bummed that they aren’t double deckers, thought HS2 was going to cash in on that UIC spec sorta vibe (please oh my god we need double deckers so bad) til they deleted half the line and said they’d be running on conventional track (so much for the victorians). So long as they aren’t those godforsaken IET/Azumas I’ll be happy
In hindsight so long as they manage to decide in their infinite wisdom on what the hell they want to do with it I’ll be happy.
No we don't need double decker trains. The Southern Railway already tried that, it didn't work well. And given that HS2 is only going as far as Crewe, why would they cash in on the widened spec? North of Crewe, it will have to conform to British Loading Gauge.
What is so bad about the IET / Azumas? The seats aren’t the operators fault. Often people don’t like them because they replaced the iconic HSTs but the sad truth is the HSTs had to retire sometime.
That thin is so further train and it going to fastest train ever in Britain and is very betifull
Has Hornby got the contract?
You already have HST (Class 43) Why do you need another one?
The HST is 50 years old and would not be able to travel on this new line.
Are these similar to the ones GWR operate that keep breaking down at Dawlish when they get a bit wet. The class 800 series bi-mode seem to be unpopular
Also how many modern clases of rolling stock including trams have had to have recalls due to cracks appearing. Newer stock doesn't seem as robust as the older designs
They might be. The class 800s are good anyway.
A total different design of train, the reason for the breakdowns on the Dawlish sea wall is the intake of sea water and spray from bad sea conditions something these train will not contend with on HS2
To be fair, I doubt it would be easy to find any train which would not struggle with that much sea water in the air, that regularly. The Dawlish section is not good for reliability on any train.
Dought it, they will be a different design as these trains are desighnd for 240 mph not 125 mph like the class 800 trains
Concord on rails .
イギリス人が日立のノウハウとテクノロジーを最大限活用することによって、イギリスとイギリス連邦の為に、日本の新幹線を超える安全かつ快適で、経済性に優れた最高の高速鉄道車両を製作して頂きたいです。
Actually it's Bombadier Hitachi - Alstom. But if they admitted that, people would notice the two Bombadier contracts, and how they were the last two standing.....
You'd think HS2 would know more about this than you...?
Only 8 carriage sets?
This is fantastic news as a supporter of HS2, but what I dont understand is why people think that these train were going to be built to the European Berne Gauge or Double Deck trains, none of these ideas have ever officially been said, it has always been said that they will be built to the British Loading Gauge and single deck trains as they would not be able to work on the existing British Railway network which they will have to North of Crewe.
It was debated early on as part of the fleet will not be compatible with the rest of the UK rail network and will be isolated to HS2. It would have been cheaper in some senses as an off the shelf design could have been used for a section of the fleet.
A “captive” fleet may be built later. Certainly, dedicated HS2 trains were going to be built before the Leeds leg was cancelled.
@@bfapple I live at the heart of the HS2 hub in Birmingham, why does HS2 need a " Captive Fleet ", The European rail network such as DB, SNCF, RENFE and Italian Railways have not got a as you call it captive fleet of trains, just TGV type trains that in France and Spain travel on specific routes but in Germany and Belgium travel on normal routes, so as HS2 is just the name of the line why does the train operator, which at this point in time is going to be Avanti West Coast / Transitalia require to purchase trains that are restricted to just travel between Birmingham and London, it would not make economical sense. The reason Eurostar trains on HS1 are a specific type of train is that they are built to special safety requirements so they can pick up passengers at UK high level platforms, European low level platforms and the safety requirements to travel through the Channel tunnel.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 Captive trains would have been useful if HS2 was built in full between Brum, Manc and Leeds.
@@bfapple Why would HS2 require captive trains as the only difference between HS2 and the ordinary lines is HS2 will have in cab signalling for use on HS2 and normal signalling for when they travel onto the conventional lines
just add color and i say "yes"
Well the trains are good... Pity they'll have such a detrimental impact on the East Midlands rail network, considering what's being proposed in the Integrated Rail Plan...
What is the detrimental impact, how so caused and in whose opinion (as in source)? I Live in Nottinghamshire and have worked in Derby and Leicestershire interested in your comment.
@@MrBoggins1234 My comment was relating to timetables, as I work as a timetable planner in the UK rail industry. On the UK network, you've got a mix of fast trains and slow trains (as I'm sure you know) sharing tracks throughout the country. In order to run these trains together without crashing, timetablers have to leave a massive gap in front of the faster trains, so that they don't crash into the slower train in front of them. So the more fast trains you have, the fewer slow trains you can run. A prime example of this is Spondon station on the outskirts of Derby. If I remember correctly from when I looked at the working timetable for 2019, Spondon had 5 or 6 non-stopping trains between 8am and 9am, and only 1 train stopping. Between those same times next Monday (14th Feb 2022), Spondon will see 8 non-stopping trains, and only a single rail replacement bus. So given that the IRP now plans to add 9 fast trains per hour onto the conventional network in the East Midlands, can you see why this is sounding major alarm bells for the rail industry, and many, many of the local intermediate stations who could face at best a worsening of service, and at worst, closure...
Just as a continuation, this is why quad-tracking railways is such a good idea. It allows you to segregate fast and slow trains. Though if they frequently cross between fast and slow lines, as they do on the WCML, those benefits quickly dissipate. This is why HS2 East to Leeds was such a good idea. It quad-tracked the Midland Mainline between London and Sheffield / Leeds, where conventional quad-tracking is highly impractical and would be prohibitively expensive, as well as quad-tracking the East Coast Mainline between London and Leeds. So for the price of one railway, you would have got two quad-tracked mainlines, allowing for plentiful numbers of both fast and slow trains. If you still have questions, feel free to ask.
@@mastertrams thank you for laying this all out so clearly, much appreciated :) It all makes sense.
I suspect its economically impossible to implement an upgrade to the entire network and its rolling stock to remove all pinch points and that upgrades will have to be done over a very, very long time and this by its nature is suboptimal? Wasn't the network originally constructed in a bit of a non strategic, fevered-rush by competing rail companies in the 1800's, some with their own stations, gauges even, then a hundred years later or so, thousands of miles were taken out by Dr Beeching in the late 1960's. We've been used to working around pinch-points, until rail capacity cannot meet demand. It feels far from perfect but the network is being used by more and more people and is overcrowded. All that lovely rail income! As a user of the rail network, for me at least, it was not the intended time-table that was the biggest issue for me personally (sometimes a bit annoying when on time coming in, whilst watching an on time connecting train leave, then needing to wait ages for the next one, sooo...laptop out time to work again) arguably its so much easier for us with apps and mobile phones to plan and be effective en route, instead I felt the biggest impact for myself in bad experiences was in fact the impact of unscheduled, failing signals, points and my biggest bug bear, unreliable dirty, very slow and way, way too-short trains trundling up, much of which that was past end of life. It is so noticeable when compared to the absolute magic carpet ride of the ECML and the Eurostar line which I've used fully with day visits to customers north of Edinburgh (Sterling), commutes to London, both from Newark/Grantham and to my folks off at Ashford international. I absolute love these two HS lines. I'm really looking forward to HS2 unlocking that pinchpoint in Manchester also and that its keeping the existing Lon-Man mainline for freight (is n't that effectively quad tracking?). A faster ECML was mentioned in the IRP which sounds exciting too.
Do you believe the upgraded and electrified EM Mainline proposed in phase 2b will be a problem?
Do you feel those that are paid to analyse the as-is and to-be do not model the effect at a granular enough level (like network timetable & type of rolling stock, level) of any proposed change on the whole network, to identify pinch-points and that are not going deep or wide enough in their studies when making their recommendations?
In recent years I've seen and used the £200m upgrade at Derby station which I was told had (literally) laid the platform for faster trains to pass through, more track platforms better signalling (thank god) etc. Is the truth somewhat different has this Derby upgrade not had a net positive impact? Will this not help Derby facilitate the ripple effect of HS2 phases 1 and 2?
Phase 2b outlines delivering HS2 to a new platform at EM Parkway and upgrading and electrifying the whole EM Mline into Nottingham so that HS2 trains can use it and also upgrading onwards to Grantham (not for HS2) to the ECML. Is this correct, god I hope it is, that would be great?
Very interested in your thoughts on phase 2B in light of the above.
Small UK loading gauge, but 30% more seats than other European trains? I guess passengers in 2nd class will not have much space
Fewer first class seats would be my guess
@@Croz89 Actually, almost all first class in the UK is now 2+1
@@isnitjustkit Hmm, so it is. It certainly wasn't a few years ago.
@@Croz89 They still are on some smaller services but on the Hitachis, they’re all 2+1 in First
@@isnitjustkit then it would be even harder to get "30% more passengers" into the trains
They just look like any modern train in the UK, I really imagined something that looks bit more futuristic like trains in China and Japan with the cost involved. They look more like French Alstom Old Eurostar trains from decades ago
2030 is the expected year HS2 will begin service. Thats way to long..
Add a decade to that and it becomes more realistic.
The Original plans would have seen the last rails laid on HS2 (including the Eastern Leg) in the early 2040s. For comparison, the Government's new Integrated Rail Plan claims the work will be finishing in the mid-to-late 2040s... What was that about "bringing benefits up to 10 years earlier" the DfT claimed?
Looks a bit narrow-hope it's not the British loading gauge!
I believe it was a requirement for HS2 trains to be able to run on conventional track so no changes to the loading gauge I would assume.
@@sacleocheaterz I thought the plan was for two sets, one for HSL only, to Berne gauge and another for extended services?
@@ijstock Yep _seems_ like that is indeed the case, I should have checked before commenting. The line is being built to European standards but I haven't actually been able to find anything concrete about the number of stock built which will be conventional compatible, and ones which will be Berne only. The latest press releases only mention that the trains will "run on the existing network" which is rather vague. I guess more concrete details will come out in time.
@@ijstock - The first tranche to avail phase 1 operations has long since been all panned as "Conventional Compatible" (like the old Eurostars.) If there's any GC gauge trainsets, it will be for future procurements/phases.
Though a cynic might think it may never happen due to the cancelling/mothballing/re-scoping/de-scoping/(insert own euphemism here) of Phase 2 East. Maybe there will be GC sets once the line reaches Manchester. But one could envision a Government/Treasury bean counter thinking "mmm - wouldn't it be cheaper to run to have a single "standard" type across the whole fleet."
@@sacleocheaterz If only standardization was a thing in railways... :D
Will these be classified as Class 7xx or Class 8xx. Was hoping they could be classified as Class 750 or Class 780. Or maybe Class 820.
I would guess something in the 8xx series. That seems to be the series for the latest generation of long distance trains, while 7xx is more for local and regional trains.
@@owenstockwood5040 Indeed. It should most likely to be in the 8xx series.
Class 750-799 is for dual power trains. So they definitely won’t be in there.
Who is interested mate, got better thing to think about, you never know they may be classed as the 1000101 class, get a life and see what Network Rail / Avanti West Coast class them when they are built.
So, Franco-Japanese trains then, and this is good news????
Only the two leading countries in high speed trains... Unless you want CRRC to make trains for you?
Literally the world's most experiance High Speed Train manufacturers
Considering Transitalia is the second partner train operating company with Avanti West Coast of HS2 and the fact Transitalia operate some of the most dynamic high speed trains in Italy and Europe it would be only natural that in the design of these HS2 trains there would be an Italian influence
The black part is awkward. Why can't the whole body be white and colour coded to look sleek and sharp??!!?? PLEASE HS2, Alstom & Hitachi - sort this out!
The pictures issued are just showing the design it will not be the livery. As the trains are to be operated by Avanti West Coast I dare say they will be similar to their Pendolino trains livery.
@@peterwilliamallen1063 The black plasticky parts and black lower part will be permanent as it stands. I am sure of that. The only part livery would be applied to (if at all) is the part in white. The black (like the lower part of UK trains today) stays black. Our design eye is appalling in the UK. We used to design Concorde, the HST, Even Intercity 250 which became Eurostar. We did Hovercraft....we made design look good. This black undercarriage on all our trains today is a cop out. Change the black part to white to colour code, and stripe the windows with the door colour coded too and those simple changes would completely transform the look. We need a Kenneth Grange on this fast!
@@peterwilliamallen1063 I heard that the livery may not be unique to the operator so if it changes operator, the livery would stay the same
@@jermainetrainallen6416 Don't know where you heard that from, but the same could be said of Avanti West Coast Pendilino's, The story in the press and Railway periodicals was that the operator of HS2 will be the company that operates the West Coast Mainline, as First Trains operates Avanti West Coast, First Great Western (GWR), Hull Trains,South West Trains, Trans Pennine and Lumo, it will be in a livery of First Trains Choice and considering that Trans Italia of Italy will be involved so it will be up to First Trains. Any Franchised Company that takes over uses their unique livery
@@richardwills-woodward5340 Why has the bottom part of the lower part got to stay black, and a livery will be applied depending on the designs developed by Avanti west Coast / trans Italia train company who will be operating these trains, these pictures are just basic design company advertising photos not the actual livery.
Not double decker?
No need for DD on opening - the predicted passenger numbers do not demand it. But they could be added in future if demand grows. However, DD could only run on the HS2 route proper - they don't fit on any existing UK lines. (Or at least, they are not practical.)
Why do they need double decker trains, these would be a waste of money as they would not fit onto any existing British Lines which they are intended to do.
35 Years too late .
Not so great if you live in Leeds then ?
The trains will be able to move onto the existing network to make it to Leeds and elsewhere on ECML
Velaro Novo looks better
the railways are finished.
How?
Train Design doesn't look high speed model🤔
The front looks like a high speed train, but the sides don't.
Well they will be travelling at about 240mph.
@@benstransport2189 So what are the sides supposed to look like then
@@peterwilliamallen1063 idk, i forgot i made this comment, if i look at it now I don't see anything wrong tbh.
@@benstransport2189 yes, in any design for a high speed train, the front may be aerodynamic but the sides are always going to be flat.
Could of been worse. Looking not too bad, pretty much like class 800s
Wonder how much the English taxpayer will get ripped off for this time?
Better money would have been spent laying more track for freight,getting lorries of our roads covid is here to stay so the business case doesn't stack up, a huge white elephant.👎👎
That would be just as expensive, and the high speed option allows more goods on the existing network.
The hole point of this is to make room for more freight...
No... Covid is not here to stay. Already in London, barely a month after the worst of this winter's pandemic, we're already looking at 80% ridership levels compared to pre-pandemic levels. Last Spring/Summer/Autumn, the national network was seeing the same sort of figures. And where would you put those extra tracks for freight trains? The WCML was quad-tracked in the 2000s, the ECML is already quad-tracked in as many places as it can be (Damn you Welwyn!), and it would be prohibitively expensive to quad-track the MML. And before you mention it, the GCML is good for nothing faster than 90mph, and that's only on it's straightest bit of alignment, which HS2 happens to use. Whereas if you built HS2 in full, you'd have an extra pair of tracks between London, Birmingham and Manchester (WCML), and an extra pair of tracks between London and Leeds (MML + ECML), so you relieve capacity on three mainlines for the price of one. Not to mention the CrossCountry route between Birmingham and Nottingham / Sheffield, that would also see benefits. So the business case, or rather, what should have been the business case, most definitely does stack up.
We invented rail travel but we have to go out begging for other countries to make trains for us now. The decline of Britain and its industry makes me sad.
One could argue that for very many things we consume in the UK. Ultimately it's all down to money: Whenever anyone buys anything, especially if we think no-one is looking, we buy cheap from abroad rather than spend more a "buy British" (remember that campaign.)
Cheer up. These will be designed and built in the UK at two factories.
@@1chish Everything will be made in China and assembled at the UK "factory" (basically just a giant hall where people screw things together). There's no manufacturing industry anymore.
We built the Japanese rail network originally, think of it as a continuation of a long-standing friendship
@@Pvemaster2 Hitachi already build tons of trains for the UK rail network, and the only thing built abroad are the body shells, and even then they're built near Hiroshima
Not exactly something to be upset over, and sure as hell not a reason to fear monger over China
Such a shame... we could have had Modern, Comfortable, and Reliable trainsets if either German Siemens or China CHR trainsets were ordered!
The thought of even more Ironing Board Seats on UK rail network... my back aches already.
Hitachi... IEP... how many kms was it before it had a FULL Fleet 'recall' due to fractures in the lifting flange things...
Typical Tory choice... Cheap and high maintenance = there will be £££s in tory pockets somewhere on this choice.
this would be the same siemens that built the 700 which is the worst ironing board seats in the word - utterly ridiculous un factual comment
We don't have manufacturing in this country anymore. The Tories sold it to Europe
@@gingerbaker4390 To Europe? Everything's been sold to China everywhere. Just because there's an assembly plant somewhere in Czechia doesn't mean any manufacturing gets done in Europe either.
@@Pvemaster2 China is like one big giant sweatshop. They make all the world's cheap tatty stuff. I'm afraid the Tories sold our manufacturing base to the Eu and in return Eu left us with financial services, primarily because the world speaks and trades in English etc etc...
The seats are due to national safety regulation, chosing CHR or Siemens wouldn't have changed a thing
About time hs2 was scrapped!!! It's not needed and it's a money pit to dish out money. Again it's about time people wake up before it's too late.
It's a money pit that dishes out money? Did you hit your head?
No it is not. Our existing main lines are nearly full and we need HS2 to relieve capacity on them for more local passenger and goods traffic. If anything, Phase 2 needs to be brought back in full!
I *guarantee* you when you said that, you were fully aware you'd be using HS2 in the distant future when it comes out. Hypocrite. A LOT of these protestors, general or eco-warrior will use it. Laughable. 😂
@@Darth_Revan25 You probably mean forced to use it. All other forms of transport will be removed, although even then it'll only even be a tiny minority of Britain's population that uses it even though everyone is paying for it. You might also be interested to look and find out how many colossal salaries are being paid all around the project all overpaid. Its a colossal materials and energy consumer and totally unjustified.