History Summarized: Cleopatra
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My mistake on the translation at the 2 minute mark - thanks for letting me know - I guess that's what I get for dropping Greek after three semesters.
Overly Sarcastic Productions dont Feel bad i dropped Greek and Latin after a whole 2 years -_- The Struggle.
My freind from elementry school was obbsessed with trying to prove that cleopatra didnt die from a snake.
Hey, great video! Would love to see a summary of the Romulus and Remus legend!
*insert additional comment about the Greek used being wrong*
It's technically correct if you translate "καθόλου" as "universal concepts."
Though it is extremely rare to use it that way, along with such ordinary words.
Cleopatra: A genuinely fun person to talk to as well as a caring queen for her kingdom.
Writers: *b* *o* *o* *b*
Well Roman said she was attractive tho..
@@andreasbonaparte8171 True, but there was a lot more to her than that. If anything it is a bit disrespectful.
@@thykappa But French, British and Polish are simp for Princess Viktoria of Prussia
@@thykappa just a bit?
The reveal trailer for Pyra and Mythra in Smash in a nutshell.
Cleopatra:
She Came, She Saw, _She Cared_
WateverWatever04 fucked her way up to the top
Vedi Veni Veci
And then she came again
according to Shakespeare only one of those statements is true
FawkesOnline They just kept on coming.
And coming, and coming...
Octavian:”...Unter that crown what are you?”
Cleopatra: “goddess, genius, billionaire.”
Me: DIE, AIRHEAD!!!!
It's been over three months since I read the hero's of Olympus books and I still got stuck imagining the teddy bear murdere Octavian instead of the historical Octavian
@@Object-Impermanence-Official Yeah, me too!
Playgirl, philanthropist
Captain America: "big man in a suit of armour. Take that off and what are you?"
Iron man: "genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.
*Cleopatra:* "Oh no! We're stuck in a besieged royal palace for six months! What're we going to do?"
*Caesar:* _"...Well..."_
(Careless Whisper starts playing)
Do you ever get tired of people saying they see you everywhere?
Why exactly are you everywhere?
jesus can you guys find a video where this guy hasn't commented XD
UNO!
It's against the Jedi code to form romantic attachment with anyone regardless of how smart, powerful, or polylingual they may be. That rule was probably added to prevent situations like this.
GENERAL KENOBI
General Productions. You're more Overly Sarcastic than I expected.
wait, didn't YOU fall in love with Satine Kryze?
antimarmite That was when Kenobi was a Padawan.
Yeah, what Legionnaire Dimitri said. By the time I was a Jedi we were just friends leading different lives. Also, our relationship was never even that serious when I was a Padawan, I just had feeling for her which were perfectly natural. It's acting on those feelings which is forbidden. That is why I had to make the choice to stay or leave the Jedi Order. It would be dishonest and disloyal to remain a Jedi and have a relationship with Satine. I'm not a dishonest man, so if I wanted to be with her, I would have had to leave the Order first. Satine never asked me to leave, however, so I didn't and rest is history. :-)
Cleopatra: I can speak ten languages, I am one of the smartest people in the ancient world, I reformed my country to make it a booming economy, I devoted all of my time towards running my country and I got together with Julius Caesar and Mark Antony.
Historians: You got together with Caesar and Mark Antony?? Wow what a Queen.
*When you take the headphones out once you realize someone’s talking to you halfway through their sentence*
Cleopatra: Her nickname was golden mouth
Men: Hurr hurr it's not cause she's a linguists 😂😂
"She was smart"
"She was hot, you say?"
"No! She spoke like ten languages!"
"So she got around, you say?"
Early example of media hard at work.
pyropulse I think the point that’s being made isn’t that she couldn’t do both, but that media and propaganda used the “evil seductrice” idea to undermine her intelligence (because women being temptresses was not remotely positive in Ancient Rome).
Being smart IS being hot
@@clarethrapp2329 Agree 100% but I don't think that's what they meant.
@Strainul Misterios Yeah so did the male politicians so what? She probably had wayy less sex than they did. Also didn't ancient Roman men also have a thing for other men? They fuckin eeeeeverybodyy.
@@clarethrapp2329 ...That's not the point of the propaganda used against her. And the fact that modern depictions also undermine her sooo much shows that today, the best thing you can be as a woman or girl to a man is just beautiful. Sad and shallow. I read something quite a while ago that Cleopatra wasn't really conventionally attractive back then and that the propaganda used against her was the easiest thing to use against her as a woman and undermine her (because that nation in particular would buy the whole seductress thing).
A product of incest that was intelligent, educated, charismatic and overall a not bad ruler/person?
*Cleo is amazing. What a legend.*
Izzy and she didnt fall into doing incest again. She broke a cycle and had a good bloodline to live
Which has led to suspicions of her being a bastard, no proof of course
Actually studies show that Brother-Sister incest is much less likely to create offspring with "issues" than things like cousin or parent-offspring pairings.
Kyle Vidauri that still doesn’t make it ok
Kyle Vidauri
But they did have some parent-offspring relationships.
I just don't understand how their kids didn't end up completely mutated.
It's refreshing, like a scented candle, to learn that Cleopatra was more than just a Caesar salad ordered to seduce Antonius (and a few other croutons) but actually a vibrant, intelligent, compassionate, and world-changing woman of incredible pose, prosperity, power, and passion.
Intelligent? Definitely.
Compassionate? Eh...
I mean, you can literally watched the show Rome and see that.
Choco Zoe It’s stated and explained she did care about her kingdom, so I’d consider that compassionate
I was thinking about the part where Cleopatra killed her brothers and sister to be the sole ruler of Egypt. I agreed that it implies Cleopatra did care for her people. Just not the extend with her family however.
Choco Zoe Poor
Arsinoe 😥...
*accomplished woman exists*
Historians: She ruined everything
Lonely Chameleon did you not watch the video?
History is written by the victors. Cleopatra lost, and as such she was demonized.
It’s only relatively recently that many of her exploits had been explored from a non-biased view.
Also there have been many accomplished women who were revered. Such as both Queen Elizabeth’s, and Queen Victoria.
Sadist Mother Nature I think you’re referring to Wu Zetian. If you are, fuck no. She may have brought China Into a golden age, but that was after murdering most of her family and putting thousands of innocent people to death.
Look at King Henry the 8th. Revolutionized England and was one of the most progressive Kings of his time. Standardizing health care and other great accomplishments. But what does everyone remember? The wife killing. There’s an accomplished western man who got demonized despite his great accomplishments.
Hating ass Romans
@@milkduds1001 to be fair both are kinda assholes
@Sadist Mother Nature ya, and the West won. Big suprise that they glorify their own and tarnish the loser. And to be fair she was kinda an asshole but most emporors and empresses are.
Roman historians: Cleopatra ruined everything for Antony.
Cleo: Rules well, is accomplished, provides a powerful ally and lots of money.
Antony: Loses important battles. Causes his political enemy to go after Cleopatra.
I’m sorry, which one ruined the other?
Dear dig deeper. Mark antony renewed old Alexandrian alliances throughout the world (Turkey, Israel, Iran ,Greece) for Cleopatra and gave the dying ptolemaic dynasty a fresh chance at global politics along with internal stability through roman legions stationed in Egypt.
@@deepasrivastava863 yes, he helped her restore the boundaries of the ancient Ptolemy dynasty and she inturn helped him with money for his Persia campaign, both of them benefited from each other
Seriously people don't call Cleo and Tony star crossed for nothing. They were the first power couple ruined by circumstance. Damned Octavian!
Bit more complex then that.
Cleopatra failed to send her ships to aid Antony at Actium, and instead made a break for Egypt - the battle was far from won, and who can say who would win but what she most certainly did do was stab Antony in the back at his most critical battle.
Antony didnt know by the way, he quite literally had to jump ship and swim to a quicker smaller ship in order to escape. Why she did this? Fuck knows, I doubt they would of won at Actium either way - Agrippa was quite literally the smartest military genius Rome has ever had, and maybe the smartest person alive at the time. With him commanding they would probably of lost regardless.
But it dosent change the fact that "Antony: Loses important battles." is only surface level. Did Antony loose battles? Yes. Why? Well both times (Actium and at Alexandria) it was because of Cleopatras fleet abandoning him. Its alot more then just Antoney being an idiot; Cleopatra made mistakes too.
That isnt to diminish Cleopatra though, I still think she was a genius - and the plan she made after there loss at Actium was genius. (If you dont know, she wanted to haul her mediteranian fleet over to the Red Sea, thus meaning that she could harass and impeed any Roman anexed Egypt, with a plan to if needed flee to India where some Greek kings from Alexanders conquests would be amenable to lend aid to her and Antony. It was a genius plan, and would likely of worked - but was skuppered by pure bad luck)
Cleopatra wasn’t actually “hot” though ... the attraction stemmed from her personality, which filtered back into her looks. Rather than the inverse.
Blue says that in the video.
you've watched past the first 5 seconds of the video, right?
I believe that the intelligence of a woman (which was extremely rare at that time because men were superior in every sense) was seen as a divine one. I don't think there were a lot of women back then who knew a lot of languages, philosophy, and being a ruler of a great empire. That is why many men 'worshipped' her, even if she was ugly as hell. This day and age is a lot different than that from some 2100 years ago. :)
She was worsphied because she was part of a dystaty that claimed to descend from a god. I don't think people back than would fall head over heels for an ugly woman, provide me with evidence to the contray if you have any.
Antoine Bandele you have not presented you sources
Cleopatra, the most interesting woman in the ancient world
The most interesting woman...in the ancient world.
She doesn't always drink beer, but when she does, she drinks Dos Piramides.
Stay thirsty my friends.
Eric Connor This is my favorite comment in this video.
That we know about.
Yes
Most powerful is probably more accurate since there are plenty of other interesting women in the ancient world, even just in Egypt.
5:38 "They were tagging each other in memes..."
So THIS is true reciprocal love... I thought it was a myth.
...why do I see a pattern in history of "this woman was super smart it was sexy. She must have been a witch"
kibaliziosa483 systematic perpetual sexism.
the opposite side always defames the other side, same defamation happened to Julius and Antonius.
Fragile male egos go back a long way
@@WickedKnightAlbel the wickedness of women also go way back
Because the patriarchy don't like when women are smarter and more powerful than other men. So they are always demonized so other women don't get ideas
With reference to Cleopatra's tomb, one of the things that fascinate me the most is that Cleopatra's Tomb might actually contain written records of her life from her perceptive as she is quite well learned.
We still hasn't found her so she might be underwater
"She cared"
Those two words alone cements Cleopatra as one of my favorite historical rulers of all time
Well, she certainly cared about prolonging not just her own rule and that of her progeny but also the legacy of Alexander the Great, King of Macedon, and the entire Hellenistic age, which came to an end with Octavian's conquest of Ptolemaic Egypt. Greece was already under Roman dominion at this point but the Eastern Mediterranean was still solidly Hellenistic Greek in culture, remaining so under Roman rule. In fact it remained largely Greek-speaking even in the first few centuries after the Arab Muslim conquests beginning in the 7th century AD. There are still 8,000 Greeks in Egypt to this day and there were many more before they fled to Greece in 1952 during the Egyptian revolution.
3:53 Caesar wasn’t just “irritated he got his victory yoinked”. He was devastated. Pompey and Caesar had been friends, and being shown Pompey’s disembodied head really hurt him. He didn’t want to kill Pompey - He just wanted to win.
He was also his one-time son-in-law- having married his only legitimate child, Julia- her death & their only child’s (there’s debate over whether it was a boy or a girl) death either as a stillborn, or within days of their mother’s- was a major fracture in their alliance.
It grew when Pompey also chose a non-Julii new wife- growing closer to the conservative clique, & it all kind of snowballed from there.
Caesar was famous/ infamous for his mercy- we might see that as admirable now, but Romans had some different ideas about it. In some instances it was suitable & acceptable, but in others it just bred a deep resentment- most of Caesar’s assassins were people he’d previously pardoned in the civil conflict.
It’s kind of a shame that the less ‘romantic’ or action-packed parts of this era don’t get much of a spotlight, because they would give people a better insight & understanding of the psychological makeup of the ancient peoples involved...
Caesar was furious with Ptolemy XIII not because he "yoinked a victory from him" as you put it, but for a number of other reasons:
1, The punishment for a former consul being declared an enemy of the state was usually exile, not death.
2, Caesar was planning on pardoning Pompey as he did Brutus, Cicero, Cassius, and so on, but Ptolemy denied him that chance, in part because...
3, Though they were enemies in this civil war, they were still old friends and former in-laws.
4, A kingdom that was indebted to Rome had to respect Roman law and one of those laws was not to harm a Roman citizen of any class without Rome passing the sentence--in short, only Romans had the right to kill Romans, and even then there had to be damn good reason(s).
5, Ptolemy betrayed and murdered Pompey, who came to him in good faith, only to be beheaded.
He does go more into that in his video on Caesar and Rome. Probably didn't want to summarize the whole ordeal again.
Fair enough, though I think Blue could have phrased it a little better than "yoinked a victory from him". I would have opted for "Caesar was deeply irritated at Ptolemy for killing a consul of Rome, especially in such a barbaric fashion" or something like that.
You must be a lot of fun at parties.
+SonofaGlitch // is this a party or a video for history buffs?
As a certian TV show says, "HE WAS A CONSOL OF ROME!!!!"
Cleopatra: Smart, nuanced, captivating
Some comments: She wasn’t hot tho lol
Literal incels
I think its better than the comments saying that she was dumb and hot and thats how she slept to the top. Their argument doesn't make sense when you point out that she wasn't conventionally attractive. We don't talk about male historical politicians because they were hot at all. The thing is, most of them weren't and western movies didn't want to make the MALE politicians hot, but they also always felt the need to make the female politicians hot (if they HAD to be mentioned).
@@chocolatecharley99 whadda you mean? We always make the male politicians hot when they’re in the lead; and the secondary female roles aren’t always hot.
@@frenchfr1es how does that relate at all
@@frenchfr1es saying someone isn't hot doesn't make you an incel
DAMN! This is so freaking cool! Whoever thought reducing Cleopatra down to a simple seductress had no grasp on what makes an awesome story.
Augustan propaganda is like that sometimes - all the times, actually.
Formoka there are 69 likes should I like this comment
Blame Octavian... and Shakespeare.
It's the same issue we have today with the film industry having to sacrifice historical accuracy for box office earnings. Look at 300.
And...Cleo has a dark side that is equally overshadowed by her romances. She had a lot of relatives killed. Even ones who were already imprisoned and not really a threat to her power and ambition...she's thorough in that way.
And she's calculating. Her "compassion" was merely the byproduct of aim to become popular. A cold and calculated strategy to gain the upper hand over her brother, politically. Plus, there's the added bonus of your political enemies knowing that even Kings are lynched to death for killing popular women in Egypt. That memory was still fresh.
True
@@tylerdurden3722 She sounds dope. If only we could trust a Hollywood director and writers to give the right depiction.
"Take away the throne - I'm a genius, billionaire playgirl, philanthropist, goddess."
Nice one guys
2:31
*Blue:* Alright class, question number four is, "Was Helen responsible for the-"
*Red: flips table* NO
Looking at you, Artemis
@@aeyelashbug6311 why her? It is clearly stated in the Illiad that it is completely pretty girl’s fault(Red even says her herself)
@@cinderleaves3949 Oh wait I meant to write Aphrodite omg
@@aeyelashbug6311 Artemis is best girl
Aphrodite has the issues
But its an honest mistake lol
@cinderleaves3949 hey, I know this comment is from a while ago, but as someone studying classics, I absolutely hate when people make these reductive comments about goddesses. Aphrodite and Artemis could both be incredibly destructive when provoked to anger - Artemis sends a giant murder boar down when a king forgets to sacrifice to her, and Aphrodite has no qualms about vengeance when her claim as the goddess of beauty is attacked.
So often, people are all too happy to pile on Aphrodite as a way of uplifting the goddesses who they believe to be more masculine, or “not like other girls” namely Athena and Artemis. Yet this ignores the numerous instances of Artemis and Athena being petty and vengeful. Athena is more attached to her skill over the arts and warfare (see: Arachne) but Artemis does kill women such as Corvidis who claimed to be more beautiful than she was.
Aphrodite is more than a stupidly vain beauty queen - she is associated with war as Aphrodite Areia, and motherhood and citizenship as Aphrodite Urania. She is jealous, spiteful, and cruel, but so is Artemis.
It sure stinks that basically every female ruler of note from a time before living memory has been smeared by historical consensus. Cleopatra being sexy-dominatrix-lady who only matters because she seduced her way into the politics of the only empire that mattered before Great Britain is pretty bad, Catherine the Great dying via horse is worse, Bloody Mary's nickname speaks for itself. The only exceptions that come to mind are either queens who stuck reasonably well to traditionally feminine roles, queens nobody really cared about, and Victoria.
To Cleopatra being sexy: This myth was propagate by the Misogynistic Romans, who couldn't believe that a Woman was able to get two Roman Generals for making a alliance and a marrage with them. They believe that Cleo and by Extention egypt, would feminize Rome and corrupt them further, which sounds by Modern standarts ridicloulous, which it is, but you can't really expect a society to think rational that thopught that Aristotle was some sort of super-genius or that the Etruscans were some bunch of evil Female tyrants. She is at this rate victim of propaganda and Colonialism that tries to capture the "greatness" of Rome by pretending they are the children of Rome, rather than just some thiefs, taking their History for thier own.
Timothy McLean I mean bloody Mary earned her nickname for the protestant purges she undertook in her brief reign over England
Catholics and protestants man they hate each other
Yuwan How is she a victim of colonialism?
As a counterpoint, Queen Elizabeth took no husband and is considered to have ruled over a golden age of arts and expansion. Bloody Mary's reputation, unlike Cleopatra and Catherine, was somewhat earned, considering she had the heresy acts revieved. More often than not their demonisation tends to be associated with their sexual agency, with both Catherine and Cleo both being in a position where they were able to have several lovers over their tenure. In contrast, Elizabeth had none known, and Mary seems to have been loyal to her less than loyal husabnd.
Timothy McLean Don't forget Himiko.
0:02 and I want to know if we can show that on youtube. :-)
Not sure, probably yes
Fun fact, when I uploaded the video early this week I had to appeal the demonetization on the basis of "it's literally a famous artwork" and "guys come on it's for education".
To be honest, I don't get why this puritanical idea even exists. As you said, it is an artwork. It is not designed to evoke lust.
@Overly Sarcastic Productions Your arguments fail. Either nudity is allowed or it isn't, you can't appeal to the popularity, importance or intention of an art piece in order to justify the use of said piece. A movie with nudity and sex gets treated equally whether it's Lars von Trier's artistic magnum opus "Antichrist", or "Buttwoman vs. Slutwoman" by Asa Akira, an actual porn.
"It's for educational purposes" is not a proper argument either. Rennaisance paintings do not inherently have more educational capacity than say, a very well drawn hentai. This is a very typical attitude exhibited by classical elitists.
Jeppe Ulrich Lomholt *Artwork* depicting nudity is actually okay by CZcams standards, if I remember correctly. However, recordings and such are not. Take this with a grain of salt though, I just saw it on Miss Parham’s (LetMeExplainStudios) video.
Came here to relearn history after the new Netflix “documentary” about her came out. Thank you blue for giving us the proper history of this powerful Macedonian-Egyptian queen.
Ancient Egyptian Presidential Campaign:
"Cleopatra. Because she cares."
Cleopatra was so hot.
She is the reason why egypt is a scorching dessert
No this is Patrick OMG, I haven't wheeze so hard at something in my entire life! Thank you!😂😂😂
*Sees Gudako*
Danganpatra good girl. : ^]
YASSSD
I see youre a fellow man of culture as well
No this is Patrick 100% man of culture. 0% secondary. *hyperdab*
While Cleopatra certainly had less messy ways to kill herself, I could see her choosing to use a snake for the sake of drama. The woman clearly put a lot of stock in pageantry and symbolism, so why wouldn't she milk her final middle finger to Octavian for all it was worth?
Personally I would have gone the less painful route and told the servants to say it was a snake.
It wasn't a snake,it was actually a poisoned hair pin
Except that the snake story allows Octavian to co-opt some powerful Greek imagery like Jason slaying the snake-headed Medusa and I'm pretty sure Cleopatra wasn't one to just hand that iconography over to her enemy.
I heard a theroy that she was murder because her captur couldn't bring her back and risk people feeling bad for her. The guy who held her also supposedly killed her kid. The whole beautiful queen thing was a smear tatic
I would think Octavian conquering her kingdom and making her son Caesarion disappear was a bigger middle finger
Fun fact, my genetics teacher actually included a bit of her story on our final exam: he explained the basics of her tomb and the remains probably available, and the exam was basically the question of wether, using modern forensic genetic analysis we could tell what plant she used as poison. Great stuff
Finally- the feminine icon we all need. B)
I aspire to be like Cleo one day. She is legitimately and metaphorically a queen.
Seventeen Moderately-sized Frogs
Yes, she reminds me a bit of Heliogabalus, the syrian teenager transgender roman emperors, both were from the east, and was disliked by the romans for being feminine and extravagant
I like it when women in history/fiction don't sacrifice their femininity or pretend to be a man in order to become a powerful authority figure.
@Costantine V: what makes you think Cleopatra VII of Egypt was a whore? Are you mental? She slept with two known guys, both of whom she had children with, and one of whom she married. That's hardly a slut, certainly not by modern standards and certainly not by the standards of the day for royalty who needed to ensure their bloodline. The two men she got with were also the most powerful Romans of their day.
Constantine V I mean- if thats what you call it. Yes. I do aspire to be a whore :)
Here's the suicide hotline: 1-800-273-8255
Alexander the Strangely Prolific.
Awsamazing Eden Alexander the one-and-done
nice profile pic
Time to learn about the *OG QUEEN!!*
what about the female pharaohs that came thousands of years before?
Yes!
@@getefix3 Nefertiti and Hatshepsut are better.
Imagine if Octavian lost the war with Cleopatra and Antonius and the rest of Rome swore allegiance to their Eastern empire, how would that have effected the modern day world I wonder?
“The two had spent plenty quality time together. They were lost in endless conversation, she was pregnant, they were tagging each other in MEMES, it was true love.”
I actually think Cleopatra was pretty "hot". Being "hot" isn't just about looks but also personality and attitude...which she definitly had. I think we can call her "hot" without any problems.
Yeah imagine having an actual intelligent girlfriend who cares for you, makes your day better, never make you lonely, never hurt you, never gave you up
thats not the point though, but that people reduce her to looks by it, sweaping her education and brillance under the carpet
I sort of made this reply to another comment already, but From her busts I've seen, she was reasonably attractive. But imagine a reasonably pretty Greek woman walks in the room dressed to the nines in the clothes, jewelery and regalia of an Egyptian queen, with all the confidence, poise and presentation of a goddess. She smiles at you, looks you dead in the eye and introduces herself eloquently in your language. You're gonna be a puddle on the floor.
She was Cleopatra VII Philopator, queen of Egypt, and an intelligent, educated, engaging woman. How hot she was was almost meaningless.
@@semaj_5022 You think Caesar and Antonius did not have women dressed in expensive clothes or what?
0:02 "Demonetized for nudity"
Even though CZcams guidelines actually allow instances of nudity within context for educational purposes
Justin Y. it's for education.
Whats wrong with being naked?
Ayyy Justin didn't expect to see you here
Always expect the unexpected with Justin Y.
I also heard about the possible finding of Cleopatra's tomb. I think it was on some documentary style show on Travel Channel. The dude was also trying to find Hatshepsut's tomb as well and prove that the unnamed mummy who has been proven to be Tut's mother was Nefertiti. While watching, I was skeptical too, but she had uncovered so much that looked like it could be a tomb, including some less ceremoniously buried human skulls. Love the video!
There are people literally living above where she is buried.It's an open secret in Alexandria.
"Will Siwa ever know peace" -Bayek I found that way too funny.
Being reminded how many classical Greek plays have been lost when we have so many from that talentless oaf Plautus does make me rather sad
Agreed :(
Are we all gonna just ignore the fact that Blue *_LITERALLY PREDICTED A MOVIE IN WHICH GAL GADOT PLAYS CLEOPATRA_* ?!
No. No we are not. Unfortunately, most of the attention that upcoming project is getting is outrage, because apparently getting an Israeli woman to play a Greco-Egyptian queen is blasthemy. And that honestly kinda sucks, because I think this could be a very good movie.
@@occam7382, honestly I chose to completely ignore those comments, they're just dumb. They're going ahead with the movie and it WILL be a good movie. Gal Gadot, make us proud! :D
Let us hope so!
When it comes to women in history, the truth always get's blurred or downright left out. It's only in recent times, women of history, who had power or wealth seem to be getting a fair shake. Better late than never I guess.
Uhhmmm some men also get that
This ain't about women or men this usually happens to a lot of people in history, like belisarius who is considered to be one of the best generals in history yet he is often forgotten since he wasn't liked by the ones in power
@Gremlin Hunter Because men just did more.
Men did more because they had the opportunity to do more, and a lot of women were brushed under the rug for sure. But I think it’s better to say that a lot of underdogs, male and female, had their accomplishments and statuses erased or defamed by jealous superiors or by victors on the opposing side. Sure the duality of the men in charge defaming women is a present one, but it went men against men as well, and those men were just as much underdogs as the accomplished women, when comparing them to those who stood at the top.
@Gremlin Hunter no it's just the victor writes history and the loser gets slandered that's they way documentation of events work. Gender doesn't matter it's you lost
1:41"the ancestry of the Ptolemaic rulers and the culture they promoted were unmistakably Greek."
- not according to my grandma
🤣🤣🤣
I'm a Greek person and I really love all your videos. But I would like for you to know that you made a translation error at 2:10 . "I want to know everything" would be "Θέλω να μάθω τα πάντα" in Greek. Καθόλου means nothing.
Yay free lesson in greek.
Are you sure that katholou does not mean universal/ all-embracing in ancient greek as opposed to meaning "nothing" in modern greek? My dictionary truly tells me so. Also consider the katholic church is the universal church, not the church of none existance.
Diomedes 42 No, as far as I am concerned, and what I remember from my Ancient Greek class, that is not true. And it does not make any sense to me that a word would change its meaning so drastically in its own language. The only way that I can understand why your dictionary may have what you say written on it is that καθόυλου comes for two positive words, κάθε which means every and όλα which means all. Though I am no expert in Ancient Greek, I think that author of your dictionary may have made a translation error, though it is understandable when I think about it.
*BUT* all of that doesn't matter because Cleopatra is speaking with the new dialect in this video. 😂
I just give you the entry of the dictionary
καθόλου,
Adv.
A on the whole, in general, = καθ' ὅλου (as it shd. perh. be written), Epist.Philipp. ap. D.18.77; κ. γράφειν, opp. κατὰ μέρος, Plb.3.32.8; κ. εἰπεῖν Arist.Top.156a13, Plu.2.397c, etc.; οἱ κ. λόγοι general statements, opp. οἱ ἐπὶ μέρους, Arist.EN1107a30 (but in Roman times, accounts kept by the central government, = Lat. summae rationes, OGI715.3 (Alexandria), D.C.79.21, etc.); τοῦτο γάρ ἐστι κ. μᾶλλον too general, Arist.Pol.1265a31, cf. GA748a8; ἡ τῶν κ. πραγμάτων σύνταξις general history, Plb.1.4.2; τὸ κ. D.S.1.77, Plu. 2.569f; τὸ κ. τῆς μοχθηρίας, opp. τὸ πρὸς ἡμᾶς, ib.468e; οὐδ' οὗτος ἀποφαίνει κ. τὸ καταλειφθέν the whole amount left, D.27.43; ἐν τῷ κ. in general, speaking generally, Ath.1.30e, Arr.Epict.1.8.8, al.
2 in the Logic of Arist., of terms, τὸ κ. general, opp. τὸ καθ' ἕκαστον (singular), λέγω δὲ κ. μὲν ὃ ἐπὶ πλειόνων πέφυκε κατηγορεῖσθαι, καθ' ἕκαστον δὲ ὃ μή Int.17a39, cf. Metaph.1023b29; opp. τὸ κατὰ μέρος, Rh.1357b1, al.; hence, τὰ κ. universal truths, ἡ ποίησις μᾶλλον τὰ κ., ἡ δ' ἱστορία τὰ καθ' ἕ. λέγει Po.1451b7; = γνῶμαι, ib.1450b12; esp. commensurate predicate, ὃ ἂν κατὰ παντός τε ὑπάρχῃ καὶ καθ' αὑτὸ καὶ ᾗ αὐτό APo.73b26; as Adj., of propositions, λόγος κ. a universal statement, opp. ἐν μέρει, κατὰ μέρος (particular), ἀδιόριστος (infinite), APr.24a17 sq.; of inference, ἡ κ. ἀπόδειξις universal proof, opp. κατὰ μέρος, APo.85a13; hence, as predicate, κ. εἰσὶν [αἱ ἀρχαί] Metaph.1003a7; as Adv., κ. ἀποφαίνεσθαι ἐπὶ τοῦ κ. Int.17b5, al.
3 completely, entirely, Plb.1.20.2; οὐδὲ κ. μακρὸν πλοῖον no warships at all, ib.13, cf. LXXDa.3.50, al.; μηδὲ τέχνην εἶναι τὸ κ. τοῦ πείθειν Phld.Rh.1.327S. (Written κατὰ ὅλου Pl.Men.77a.
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The sentence still doesn`t make sense, but hey, the more you know.
Diomedes 42 Oh, OK that kind of makes sense.
I see you snuck a Yugioh reference in there.
And an Assassin's Creed: Origins reference as well.
*GIT GUD SCRUB*
They love throwing in Yugioh references wherever possible. I'm not complaining though.
Well what if your wrong if your are:
It's time to du du du du du dual
And a Steve Irwin reference.
The real story is way more interesting.
Gal Gadot shouldn't play Cleopatra. Plutarch said her looks were "nothing of note" but for some reason her beauty and sexuallity are highly exaggerated into her entire identity. The only way to brake the chain and depict her as more than that isn't by getting a gorgeous model to play her again. If we want to depict her as more than that, we have to depict her as she was in history, an average looking but brilliant woman.
Sadly, the film probably wouldn't sell as well without at least a moderately attractive woman. I think a moderately attractive woman would do, since Cleopatra was plain, not hideous or disfigured. Gal Godot is pretty in a conventional way but not stunning (certainly not a supermodel like Sara Sampaio), so she could pull it off in that respect. However, she entirely lacks the exuberant charm and wit of the real Cleopatra.
Let's do a film about historical Scottish monarch Robert the Bruce who wasn't known to be a looker or anything and get basically a male model Chris Pine to star.
Let's do a movie about Abraham Lincoln, a noted gangly awkward looking man and get ludicrously handsome and over dedicated Daniel Day Lewis to star.
But Cleopatra? A woman as noted for her seductive ability as anything else? Nah, let's get some gal who looks like Dolores from accounting. You know her? She's had a couple kids and kind of let herself go but man she's such a nice person!
Yeah. You TOTALLY understand how Hollywood works.
@@ericconnor8251 Are you kidding me? Gal Gadot is a model and she's gorgeous. Sara Sampaio looks weird to me. Too designed, too perfect, too boring.
Penelope Cruz would be a cool casting, for me.
@@gabrielp9646 I vote Penelope Cruz. She is pretty but not overly gorgeous. And she is a great actress which truly matters
Still a better watch by leaps, bounds, and galaxies away than Netflix’s Cleopatra.
That smug look on Cleo's face is just great. Good job, Red.
I've always liked Cleopatra, but now I love her. I wish I could've known her.
Octavia seems nice too
Yes! Octavia was a dark horse favorite for me when I read Schiff's biography. She seems to have had a huge heart, out of place among the backstabbing crew that fills the rest of the book -- always refusing to participate in those schemes... adopting Cleo's children was just the last of her good deeds mentioned. However, hers was not a type of character Antonius appreciated. He was better suited to his previous wife, the energetic, politically-active Fulvia, who tried (with a modicum of success) to join in the civil wars on Antonius's behalf.
I hear that AC Origins music.
I think.
Dreamer X86 it’s there
And there were some screenshots from origins, and a letter from bayek.
You know, I've always wondered how to wash a queen properly. You learn something new every day.
I love how Blue said "such is life". I reminded me of a classic Australian bushranger and outlaw, Ned Kelly (its a famous quote of his). Hey Blue, do you think you could do a video on this famous Australian Outlaw, Ned Kelly? Please?
Oh, please, yes.
Have you seen the several video history on him by Extra History?
A small correction from a Greek fan , in the sketch Cleopatra says (in Greek ) : I want to know the NOTHING , 🐱😸😹
Someone being able to hold an intelligent conversation in more than one language is already very interesting, but she was able to do it in 10 languages.
Captivating indeed.
Cleopatra: actually gave a sh*t.
Waaait. Are you sure Mark Antony isn’t just Zeus? “Bang Everything That Moves” was his motto too.
i mean he did fuckup rome once during the civil war so yeah
On 2:12 Cleopatra says "Θέλω να μάθω τα καθόλου" but the translation is wrong. It means "I want to learn the nothing" . Just an observasion
Zeus / Jupiter I want to learn the nothing
We can tell by the grammar Cleopatra.
Hey so quick question, any updates on that whole "Cleopatra's tomb maybe discovered" thing at the end?
It’s funny how people heard Cleopatra was enrapturing and captivating and just assumed it meant she was hot instead of a wonderful conversationalist and a mind you would want to discuss things with.
4:15 the aside on laundering queens was a nice touch, lol
I would just like to put alot of emphasis that i just love how you referenced both Yugioh and Assassins Creed in the video in the most comical way possible
8:05 Cleopatra vs Atems decent in a children's card game
Hell yes.
As soon as I heard “they were tagging each other in memes” I knew it was true love
“Ew she has cooties”
-Octavian
I love it
"“Ew she has cooties”
-Octavian"
The same person who was said to be influenced or dominated by his third wife Livia? Though Roman conspiracy theorists also suspected Livia of having killed Augustus.
*"On 19 August AD 14, Augustus died while visiting Nola where his father had died. Both Tacitus and Cassius Dio wrote that Livia was rumored to have brought about Augustus's death by poisoning fresh figs. This element features in many modern works of historical fiction pertaining to Augustus's life, but some historians view it as likely to have been a salacious fabrication made by those who had favoured Postumus as heir, or other of Tiberius's political enemies. Livia had long been the target of similar rumors of poisoning on the behalf of her son, most or all of which are unlikely to have been true."
*""Alternatively, it is possible that Livia did supply a poisoned fig (she did cultivate a variety of fig named for her that Augustus is said to have enjoyed), but did so as a means of assisted suicide rather than murder. Augustus's health had been in decline in the months immediately before his death, and he had made significant preparations for a smooth transition in power, having at last reluctantly settled on Tiberius as his choice of heir. It is likely that Augustus was not expected to return alive from Nola, but it seems that his health improved once there; it has therefore been speculated that Augustus and Livia conspired to end his life at the anticipated time, having committed all political process to accepting Tiberius, in order to not endanger that transition."
@@Dimadick3 i'd like to think Augustus chose tiberius as his successor just like julius ceasar chose him to be one,
idk
“Wow, it was women!!”
-Napoleon expedition Egypt
Cleopatra and her glorious nose
Read the Asterix comic long time ago
I love the sheer number of Yu-Gi-Oh references on this channel.
One thing you forgot to mention (its a pretty forgotten and overlooked detail so I don't blame anyone), that while Cleopatra was married to Antonius, they made a scheme to exicute the last remaining Ptolemy, Arsione II, Cleopatra's younger half-sister, to secure their claim. But then again, not uncommon in the era.
Blue and Red, both NEVER fail to entertain me. Thank you Overly Sarcastic Productions! I am lucky to find this gem like channel
7:23 "Stephanos Irwinius." I'm dead, just... just... dead.
this girl just made me love ancient Egypt even more. What a wonderfull ruler
Quick correction at 2:49, Ethiopian isn't a language but the people of the country. Considering the date that Cleopatra was around, I think you probably meant Ge'ez or some other language primarily spoken in Ethiopia at the time. Besides that great video!👍
I love Acient Egyptian history, doesn't matter who it is.
*Hellenistic Egypt, but ok.
Yuwan Well this is still pretty damn ancient.
I can’t believe when I did my presentation on cleopatra in ninth grade I didn’t mention that she was from a million other Ptolemys and cleopatras. I missed some awesome (and crazy) stuff about her and her family history
After watching a few videos that mention Cleopatra on this channel, I decided to go read about her myself. It seemed that most modern historians have all agreed on the narrative that she was incompetent, and they would each invent rationalizations for why she featured so prominently in historical documents.
The rationalizations ranged between "she had boobs and an army" and "roman documentation needed to paint her as a hypercompetent foreign badass in order to justify warring against the roman Marc Antony in their propaganda, by leaning into the fact that she was foreign and female and has Marc Antony seduced and wrapped around her finger in order to strengthen roman nationalism against a foreign evil." The latter is an interesting take and i don't doubt its relevance to the reality of roman propaganda, but then what these historians would do is tack on a big ole "but OBVIOUSLY it was actually the other way around and she was just getting dragged into one bad situation after another by Marc Antony, and she actually contributed nothing to the war campaign"
It makes no sense to assume that Cleopatra had any kind of educational disadvantage compared to her contemporary male counterparts, as Egypt was famously relatively gender-egalitarian at the time, even compared to most modern day governments. This assumption that she must have inherently been less intelligent and competent than men of her time have never been substantiated in any kind of evidence, and can only be assumed to be based in a modern western misogyny.
"His story is pretty ... Great."
Y'all are killing me. Slowly but steadily.
That mercy looks amazing! Also really interesting stuff, Blue! Cleopatra was a smart woman, like, really smart, and sometimes (often) people forget that. Comedy is on point this episode!
Excellent work with this video. I really appreciate how dedicated you and Red are to these subjects.
Woman: Is smart, good at talking, a great ruler and just a generally excellent Queen and person.
Men throughout history: Yeah, must be sexy and a witch
The yugioh reference! Ha!
Beauty, brains, and power? She's the queen who's the full package!
But can she lift tho?
God I hope so because that’s hot
I actually was recently reading Stacy Schiff's book, and it made me really happy to see this and actually be able to recognize all the aspects you included in the video. Good job Blue!
A really good book about their family that I read was Cleopatra’s Moon. The main character was Cleopatra Selene, and the book is actually pretty accurate.
Personally i like to think cleopatra was the driving force behind the julian calander. I can just imagine ceaser moaning about how the civil war had thrown the roman calander out of sync and her just offhandedly saying thats why we have astronomers
Rewatching this after the Netflix documentary drama
5:38 Caesar: Hehe babe look at this meme
Cleopatra: Hehehe
check out 7:45 I appreciate how you sneak in a Yu-gi-oh! joke. I LOVE IT.
Man, I'm so hyped for the unearthing of Cleopatra's tomb. That's gonna be amazing. Imagine if Tutankhamun had been discovered in the internet age; it's gonna be like that! Can't wait. Great video, guys. Thanks C:
Anyone else come back to this video after hearing about Netflix's terrible docudrama?
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Me
7:33 gotta love that origins refrence, thanks for that. it made my day
0:17 has the same energy as Dwight Schrute saying "false"
Library of Alexandria
Lay down
Try not to cry
Cry alot
fingers crossed on that finding! it would be an amazing breakthrough!
15:33 Cleopatra as Wonder Woman actually sounds like an interesting Elseworlds idea.
Hooray, Cleopatra the Seventh is the best known of that name and one of the best royal/political strategist the ancient world ever knew. I'm so glad you finally covered her life.
Looking at those borders it legit looks like Cleopatra and Antony had the OG Byzantine Empire under their rule.
You only show Ptolemaic Egypt, Seleucus' Seleucid Empire(as historians call it) and Cassanders Macedonia. But there was also Lysimachus' Thrace and Antigonus' Phrygia. Three you show did all outlast Thrace and Phrygia.
1:05
Holy crap we're going to find Cleopatra's tomb!!! That's freaking awesome!
14:10 I don't know... looking at the stories that are written about Cleopatra, killing herself with an asp seems so dramatic, I definitely believe that she would do that instead of ingesting poison...
Smart.
Powerful.
Charismatic.
A cunning linguist.
And her last words were a Star-Trek reference a full 2000 years early.
∞/10 Fuckin' Queen.