Chilling Adventures of Sabrina: A Frustrating Waste of Potential
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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:23 The Archieverse
4:48 Synopsis & Breakdown
13:28 Early Red Flags
17:16 Sabrina Spellman
32:22 The Spellman Family
45:56 Lilith & Lucifer
56:32 Other Characters & Bad Editing
1:04:52 Roberto & Feminism
1:17:05 The Finale
1:21:12 Conclusion
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Netflix
Riverdale
Chilling Adventures Of Sabrina
Sabrina Spellman
Kiernan Shipka
Ambrose Spellman
Nick Scratch
Archie Andrews
Veronica Lodge
Betty Cooper
KJ Apa
Lucifer
Lili Reinhart
Cole Sprouse
Jughead Jones
Friendly Space Ninja
Aunt Hilda
Aunt Zelda
Chilling Adventures of Sabrina
The CW
Harvey Kinkle - Zábava
I wasn’t sure I wanted to make a video on this show
The video: an hour and a half
Hey, you leave my illogical ass alone!
@@friendlyspaceninja lmfao
@@friendlyspaceninja HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Its so satanic and cannibalism's I couldn't watch it . Nothing to with Sabrina teen age. Its not meant for teenagers' Also others shows like lucifer Riverdale and are not for teenagers .
@@friendlyspaceninja CAN YOU PLS MENTION WHAT SONG YOU USE IN UR OUTRO it's soooo good
The reason Salem doesn't talk is because he'd call Sabrina out on all her bad decisions honestly
That's another reason I stopped watching, because Salem didn't speak.
Oh no don't do them like that
@@AMV_KINGDOM_mv Oh I will do them like that. They deserve to be trashed.
I thought her cousin was a sort of compromise of that. He can speak and make bad choices as well 😅
The irony of this comment is that Salem does call her out when he's on screen and she fucks up. They Chewbacca him.
Hey. Remember when Harvey was hinted to be a descendant from witch hunters and that he would embrace his heritage one day?
Oof i forgot about that one, such a waste!
I think about it all the time, it's so frustrating to see potential wasted.
Oh yeah I forgot that was a thing. I was really convinced back then that he would discover some dark family secret that had something to do with the spellmens (Like they killed a relative or his mum) so he would try to kill them all including Sabrina. I really thought he would embrace his dark witch hunter side or at least do something with that info.
Yeah that would've been so cool. :( I would've loved to see more conflict with the humans and the witches. I thought, especially because of what Sabrina did to Tommy, that we'd get a plot around that. It's mind boggling. I would've loved something like that, it would be legitimately awesome.
THIS!!!! And Theo seeing the ghost of their aunt ...I kept waiting for them to be a necromancer
could not agree more about Sabrina's flaws! She's a 16-year-old girl with way more power than any 16-year-old should ever have. Her selfishness and terrible decisions makes sense for a teenager.... But the show/writing doesn't acknowledge that they're flaws, and that's why it doesn't work.
@haleylquinton It's both her power and her ultimate downfall. perfectionist idealism that doesn't want to yield to anything or anyone eventually lead to her demise as she finally met something that's beyond her. I see it as one of the better parts of her plot and as something essential to her character
this show has the quintissential tropes of an immature writing team. they can write, but in their own lives they have not grown up
Sooo true. To the point of her being insufferable
As much as I loved the actor for Ambrose, it really felt like he kind of took up the role Salem could have had. Like, guy who's being punished for a crime he did against witches many years ago, mostly hangs around Sabrina to provide plot relevant details? Sounds like Salem. Hell, they could even have made Salem able to transform into a human under some circumstances and keep the same actor, if they really were so against the idea of a talking cat.
Kieran Shipka is allergic to cats. Ambrose was written to fill the void of Salem as part of the family.
@@bootybebouncin True, but they could have... I don't know...used a MECHANICAL cat? Like the old sitcom? We're in the modern age, and they can't make a good looking animatronic cat for the allergic actress? Like in the last season? He would have fit the camp themes just fine.
OOH! That's a really good point! I love that!
YES! They did Salem so dirty. I wanted more of him ☹️
@@bootybebouncin There are so many ways to write around that! Ambrose could've been Salem human form before turning into a cat, and he can only be human at the grounds of the house, once out of it, he becomes a cat. Or they could have used the animatronic one, and make it funny and creepy by stating that Salem is actually a dead/taxidermic stuffed animal brought to live by magic.
I was shocked that Nick killing himself to be with Sabrina in the afterlife was overly romanticised. It was an awful way to end the series, and Kiernan had to try to justify the decision in an interview.
CW never fails to dissapoint
@@ww.DuzaFizz Netflix
yesss i was so mad at the ending
I've also seen so many fans justifying it by saying it's just fiction. Fiction or not, it's awful
@@Rikki1616161616 The problem is, fiction doesn't just exist in a vacuum
what did go wrong with this? It’s easy: this show was created by Roberto Aguirre Sacasa, the genius behind Riverdale
At least Riverdale is entertainingly bad.
@Carlos Graja right, it stopped being entertainingly bad in s2, some ppl just just like shit bc that mess is not entertaining whatsoever anymore.
Your profile picture is very fitting for this video. That’s the REAL Salem right there.
Correct... Not to mention the studio and team that made this chilling nightmare
two shows that had ok/good starts that were ruined
I think the only reason why anyone would defend any of these characters is strictly because of the people portraying them. They are really carrying the show with their charisma and delivery.
I'd fully agree if it wasnt for hilda, ambrose and theo. I don't remember a single moment where Hilda's reactions and actions weren't appropriate except the catholic baptism thing. Ambroses "immaturity" can very easly be explained by the virtue of him spending half of his life inprisoned, besides that weak critique he's easly the best character in the show. And Theo is literally the only reasonable friend Sabrina had during all seasons, and the only good friend she has from the spectrum of us as the watchers.
I do agree everyone else is carried heavly by how charming the actors are. The casting in this show is fantastic and every actor carried out their roles amazingly. Shame for the very poor and non thought out writing
I love the actress Who portrays Lilith, i ADORE her! I think she did a great job
Funny, I'm only now watching the series and just today I told my son I don't know why I'm torturing myself with this show, but I love the characters. They keep doing the dumbest sht, but I can't stop watching to see what they do next. I truly don't understand myself right now.
I had a similar experience. I refuse to watch what I consider bad TV or movies. But this was different, I think the aesthetic was so well done I could get lost in it despite the writing@@mimib323
This show embodies the saying "don't hate the player, hate the game". They have a good cast that does a great job with what they're given, but they can only do so much to save it
So it’s not that he can’t write female characters. He just can’t write any type of characters.
At least he's consistent
@@bejo2551 LMFAO
@@bejo2551 the only thing really.
that's equality, babey
@@bejo2551 he consistently can't write consistent characters
the irony lol
This probably isn't a big deal for a lot of people, but it reeeeally bothers me how this show uses Lilith. In the original mythology, Lilith is the woman who refused to be subservient to anyone, even God, so it's kind of insulting to portray her as so desperate for Lucifer's approval while also parroting that fake feminist nonsense. Like, she's the original femme fatale, why not use that angle?I guess maybe it's a side effect of how they chose to portray Lucifer, but I think it'd be more interesting to have Lilith and Lucifer as a messy power couple and do something with that dynamic.
I feel like whenever a show has some biblical themes there has to be a Lilith and most of the times shes just evil and nothing more. Especially in this show she could’ve been so much more. Especially since her biblical counterpart and Sabrina share some important traits
What pissed me off the most about the use of Lilith was how she’s not even in the Bible. She’s only seen in the Old Testament, which has a very different and somewhat opposite definition and view of events in its scripture. Lilith is 100% a thing that belongs to Jewish culture and religion, and culturally appropriating her to fit a stupid Christian narrative is infuriating
@@elisabethschmerzler963 oh god, its not the cultural appropriating thing again...seriously.
@@elisabethschmerzler963 If Lilith is part of the Old Testament, then yeah, she's in the Bible. You can't say she's not in the Bible she's only in the OT?
@@randomwerewolf1099 She’s mentioned solely in the Talmud. Some people don’t know what that is so I just used Old Testament as an inference for Jewish scripture
The only thing that saved Salem for me was just how unbelievably cute that cat was
I like cats
Salem was easily the best part of the original TV series.
I think it would have been very interesting had they chosen to give her a cost for not picking. The magic in a mortal body will kill her. Or she'll go mad. It would have been a way to complicate her invincibility
That’s my only explanation for why she died in the end. Her body couldn’t handle it. The magic, the power, the chaos bubbling inside her. It finally became too much.
Nick "romantically" killing himself to be with Sabrina seemed kinda off. Especially when the same streaming service gave us a whole series about teenager suicide awareness.
A series that caused s0icides to spike, Netflix sends a lot of mixed messages
13 reasons why completely botched its message to the point where it was actually about romanticizing suicide as revenge, school shootings, rape, etc. instead.
That show you reference is actually hugely problematic in it's depiction of suicide (they actively went against general guidelines to depict the correct way of severing arteries that can kill you in seconds - hugely awful decision that makes me furious) so it's not surprising they allow shows to be irresponsible like this lol
Well, Netflix has both 13 reasons why and Bojack horseman, so that tells you something about how different messages and quality you can find on this platform when it comes to serious issue.
@@nanalove3819 Yeah, can't tell if Netflix is committed to pluralism and the diversity of perspectives or if they're committed to controversy and what might sell. Whichever the case, people are tuning in, risking occasional inconsistencies in quality and messaging to stumble across completely satisfying and delightful gems like Bojack. Can't think of a better world than hit or miss, actually, one that avoids the boredom and stagnation (let alone the dangers) of culture's natural tendency to gravitate toward the monolithic.
love how almost every character is explained as "the actor is phenomenal but wow the character sucks ass"
Which sucks.an Actor worklife can end if they play a shit characters
The 1rst season and most of the 2nd were honestly good... They lost the plot afterwards.
@@tetsudikawakami7787 not true Kristen Stewart still gets jobs so I mean
@@herewegoagain4033 I mean, she's an outlier, but even she and Paterson had to hit the indie film scene for a fair while to regain their credibility.
He goes a little too hard on that idea on occasion.
Like when he mentioned that "bad line delivery" is due to the bad script, not due to the actor delivering the line...badly.
Uh. No. If the line is delivered horribly, that's on the actor. The sentence itself may be stupid or cliche or nonsense, but it's still the actor saying it. There's no point in defending that.
I've only watched 2 of his reviews and already it feels like "writing bad" is one of his go-to points whenver ANY type of critique comes up. And while writing is incredibly important, actors can be at fault, too.
In the writers defense, Sabrina never learns her lessons in any version 😂😂😂😂
but which version was more fun for her to never learn a lesson?
@@arthurpendragon81921996 was a sitcom and it’s not horror or dark its actually really good
@@arthurpendragon8192Melissa Joanne's cause atleast Salem cusses her out that shes just a brat while in CAOS after an episode they forget everythibg.😂
That more condemns the writers than defends them, because the writers in earlier incarnations made it amusing.
The fact that Salem doesn’t speak despite the other crazier crap that happens in the show is insane lmao
Idk if this was mentioned in the video and I could be misinterpreting what you’re saying, but I think Salem can speak and talks to the characters multiple times but we can’t understand. When he first comes to meet Sabrina I think he speaks a line?
The fact that Lilith said "women should be in charge" and then in the next scene knelt down to kiss Satan's goat feet.....
Lol his “goat feet” 😂
That was sort of the point, wasn't it? She fed Sabrina bullshit she knew Sabrina would react well to, while actually being completely loyal to the devil.
Lilith is just a parody of Twitter feminists at this point.
That's called being trapped in a abusive relationship
@@safirak7988 that part!
It’s honestly quite impressive how Roberto managed to create three vast and unique worlds only to ruin all three of them in under five years LMFAOOOOO
Wait what’s the third show?? Oh god please don’t tell me he did it again 😭
Nvm it just came up 😭😭
LEEGIIITT
What’s the third world?
Ah right, Katy Keene
I was HOOKED on this show. Until that cheerleading musical scene. My eyes rolled so hard lolol
Sadly Mr. Mornigstar has already incarnated as LA resident with a sexy British accent and that's the peak live action casting
That was the Most charismatic way to portray a devil. Because he should be chasitmatic. He is all about free will and you willingly coming into his arms - only then it counts.
The BEST
Season 1 Lucifer was such a scary threat, literally the devil, the one that has all the power and only shares it with the witches. Season 4 he's a background character making funny jokes, and the witches found like 3 different magic sources in the meantime.
It reminds me of the gradual change of Villanelle from Killing Eve
I love this show but yeah I agree, season 1 is creepy and disturbing and then by the end of season 4 the writers focused too much on Sabrina’s and Nick relationships instead of the threats 🤦🏻♀️
yeah, the Eldritch Horrors seemed more threatening than him
There is a certain problem with shows like this.
They always feel they need to incorporate as much of references, gods or monsters into the show, not because it adds to the story, but for the sake of a cheap thrill of the audience saying "I know this one" They never answer how the goddess Hecate, the pagans and eldritch horrors fit into the mythology of the show. They merely add it, without giving an explanation on how it functions. Saying that "This is just magic" or "This is just how it is" does not work when the mythology feels unrealistic and contradictory, because of it.
@@Greendalewitch Ikr. How the Old Ones (Lovecraftian copies) fit into the Christian setup of the series? But heck, even the "witches are devil worshippers" concept is dumb anyway because witches originally were pagans in real life...
To quote Jenny Nicholson’s Vampire Diaries video, “I’m really disappointed by this show’s use of the devil.”
Lmao, yesss.
I love how ridiculously fitting this is
Stop liking this post, let's keep it with 666 likes 😂
i just came from watching that
The Lucifer show was just as dumb/more so actually. I did love the devil in supernatural.
Bellatrix
During an interview with the actress that plays Prudence, she explains that her character is actually around 75 years old and all the witches/warlocks at the school are actually 50+ in age.
So really... Nick is a naughty boy.
why are they still students in school
@@teenagespiriti guess bcs compared to witches and warlocks that are 500+ years in age, they’re quite young, and very inexperienced in their craft. still though, that doesnt explain the weird relationship between subrina, who is barely 16 at the time of meeting nick (or not even), and nick, who is supposedly 50+ years old. idk what it is with ppl who write supernatural/fantasy fiction and placing teenagers in relationships (sexual ones at that) with ppl who look like teenagers but actually arent, but it needs to be studied 100%
@@n1na In the comics, when Edward Spellman came back from the dead, he possessed Harvey who was dating Sabrina at that time. So basically, its pedophilia and incest.
@@n1na Age relativity no longer concerns with ethical/moral grounds as the characters are very old and they have young bodies. It's like saying a 500+ old dude with a 50+ old women is morally wrong, like what? If the argument is that 16 is still too young because she is not 18 yet, remember that in older times 16 years was marriage age which would serve a plot about people from the old age, they come from times this was still the case and they still carry those kind of traditions. Without mentioning that this is a series about debauchery because of Satan, so it is in no way weird those kind of relationships for this series. Another thing to point out is that assuming the inverse is possible as well, lets have a character who is 500+ year old but has the body of a 10 year old, would a consensual relationship with a lets say a 18 year old dude be even possible without raising brows? So when you have this kind of duality, worrying about it it's just a waste of time.
@@marilynman i wholeheartedly disagree, i think this specific phenomenon is a ghastly reflection of the person who wrote it, and considering that Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa (a man with a long history of placing teenagers in age inappropriate relationships realistic and unrealistic alike & portraying teenage sexuality onscreen) is one of the main contributors to the writing of CAOS, it is 100% questionable & valid to critique this kind of work in my opinion.
this kind of work doesn’t exist in vacuum, someone, a functioning member of society, wrote it. when you look at it from that context, it becomes a lot more jarring. writing what is essentially CP (i’m referring to your 10 year old scenario) and calling it art doesn’t absolve it of what it is & it doesn’t absolve it of criticism.
In the first season I interpreted sabrinas ability to break every rule as a hidden plot of satan. In aunt selda you see the powerdriven side of the spellmans and sabrina has that too. She needs to help everyone not because she s so empathetic but because she wants to control what happens. So I expected lucifer to manuver her after the powertrip in a position of absolute helplesness until she succumbs to him but no she has to triumph.
that would of been such an awesome concept and could of had some great moments for sabrina as a character. believing she had this control when really the cards were always forced in her favour and she won’t ever have true consequences. could of been amazing but nope!
the problem with EVERY CW show is always: Actors are great, writing is atrocious
True that.
But this is a Netflix show, the other 2 archie universe shows are CW
Except Crazy Ex-girlfriend. Although I only watched up to season 3. And Jane the Virgin. Cliche sometimes, yes. But because it's whole gimmick is following telenovela tropes.
@@NVMil agreed with Jane the Virgin (haven't seen Crazy Ex-girlfriend so can't comment), it had it's cheesy/campy moments but overall it was hilarious and is a great parody of Spanish telenovelas
they making a powerpuff girl remake on CW ;-;
The fact that they took such a feminist and badass woman and gave her the name "Madam Satan" because she is just that devoted to the devil is an insult to Lilith
youre so right i never even thought of that
This.
every media platform butchers Lilith's mythology in general, so that's not a surprise
Yes.
yesssss i was just about to write this but came to check if anyone had already said it! Lilith s so amazing and as a witcho who actually works with lucifer and has casual contact and devotion so lilith, the lore they put behind her is insulting. Lucifer respects lilith SO much. Naming her madam satan is just cringy
What i hate most about Chilling Sabrina, is that whenever Sabrina does something wrong, people just go like, “its forgotten.” Like, she doesn't take responsibility and people just magically forget about the entire thing. Are you kidding me?
hurts watching this after Chance Perdomo's passing. he rly was part of the heart and soul of this show and a brilliant actor lost too soon
Despite everything, hats off to the casting director. This shows wouldn’t have lasted half as long without some of their actors.
True
Michelle Gomez is a marvel in everything (that I’ve seen her in, at least).
that's why the potential was so high :(
If it weren't for Ambrose I would have stopped watching this show a long time ago, honestly wish he had his own spin-off centering around solving magical problems using his immense knowledge and research skills. Other spin-offs Id watch would be a Zelda/Hilda one, a Blackwood one with the Weird Sisters, or a Lilith/Lucifer one. Hell, I'd take a Hilda one with Dr.Cee and their adventures as a couple dealing with magical problems too, even. And that's not to say that I hate Keirnan's acting, I honestly believe she's a super talented actress with a great future, but the Sabrina character is too insufferable for me.
honestly i feel almost if not all the actors were well casted
"this man wrote a terrible adaptation of his own comic book" I cannot stop laughing 😆 It says it all
How do you fuck up your own source material? 😭
@@ohword9541 I mean to be fair dont quote me but I think there are only like 3 or 4 issues of the chilling adventures of sabrina I read it online when it first came out and waited forever for the 5the issue I think to come out. Idk if the comics picked back up.
@@Kiba151 Damnnn
Legit
There is a saying in Hollywood, about how writers shouldnt adapt their own work on screen. This show will be an example of why. Take notes people.
I genuinely feel like they should have just went with the horror aspect of it. Season 1 really felt gross and uncomfortable at times when Lucifer showed up in his demon form, they should have doubled down on the creep factor but still keep a bit of silliness and camp. They kind of got there with the Feast of Feasts, the idea of someone randomly being ritualisticly cannibalized and the entire witch society, including the victim, being all for it was disturbing, but I feel like they pulled back instead of really setting in that this is a satanic cult of magical beings.
"I heard you calling in the woods, and I caaame..."
Must have been one hell of a catcall. Lmao
One of the most disturbing things that I don't really see people talk about is Nick's PTSD from trapping the devil in his body and how it can be an allegory for male sexual abuse when he cries and says things like "I can still feel him inside me". But, no one takes him seriously and the writer turns him into the bad guy who cannot be loyal to Sabrina when he uses sex to deal with his trauma.
as a sa victim who isn't a woman (and is hypersexual), looking at it, holy shit you're right and that hits so close to home
YES!! It could have been so good!!
@@the-postal-dude I feel happy to see someone say they became hypersexual after SA. I have this same reaction, but I have no clue why and I always gett judged for it.
@@RaroHi i honestly wish it wasn't as stigmatized and had more representation that y'know. wasn't extremely antagonizing (i get it, hypersexuality is an issue and can cause bad things but most hypersexual people i met know how to control it)
i was going to just say i'm glad you feel a bit better, but it turned into another rant lol
Exactly, I hated how roughly that situation was explored in the show. He should have been met with so much more empathy
I hate that idea that a strong, smart female character has to be perfect to be empowering to women or a feminist icon. Dude, everyone has flaws but better than have and acknowledge flaws is character growth. That's why book Hermione is better than movie Hermione.
THIS!!!
I agree with you but as he points out in his video, the other problem is...the characters never really grew out of their flaws. The mistakes they make in S1 are still mistakes they make in S4.
@@chadestioco I definitely agree with you there 😕 there needs to be a balance. Don’t make them a Mary Sue but if they have flaws they need character development also
Omg don't get me started on Hermione 😒
I believe the best female character on TV was Susan Ivanova from Babylon 5. The character knew her primary job, but could be over worked and clunky when she had to do side projects she wasn't familiar with. Her character growth was she became less clunky the more she did the new tasks. For instance she went from diplomacy with a race that was into S&M to convincing an elder race to join the alliance when nobody else was able to talk to them.
The second best character is Margo Hansen on the Magicians. She went from being the side chick to high king of Fillory and Fillory II.
Honestly, the actors carry the show entirely.
Watching the latest Fassbender Movie made me realize that good acting can catfish you into watching something with a terrible plot. I feel like I watch The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina for way longer than I should have.
I love that you talk about this show for over an hour. And I listen to it while I wrap presents.
Sabrina is the kind of show were everybody understands their assignment except the writers. Casting, acting, filming, set and clothes are amazing. What a let down. Some of these lines Istg, not worse than Riverdale but close.
Yes! This is an excellent summation of what was wrong with the show. Casting? Excellent. Set design? Excellent. Wardrobe? Excellent. Make up/special effects? Excellent. Writing? *sad trombone*
Amen to that. That being said, there is nobody in Hollywood these days able to write a story. I'm not even interested in anything coming out for the last few years.
I honestly think that this is the reason CAOS doesn’t get as much hate as some other shows with similar writing as the rest of the production works well
The makeup, not in the magical creatures but in the actors faces
So it's basically the seasons 6-8 of GOT?
WAIT but concept that Sabrina was the Devil's sword could have been AMAZING. She would technically be a holy weapon then- but 'corrupted' with Lucifer's fall so it would make sense why she's stuck in-between worlds and why a lot of the rules don't apply to her. The relationship between her and Lucifer could have been so intriguing, she is a source of his power, kinda like a familiar herself but also having her own identity crisis?? That could have been great.
And if they wanted to go the 'feminism' (more accurately be woman in positions of power) route, why not have Lucifer need to prove to her that he is still worthy of an angelic weapon despite being fallen? It would force him to define his motivations, strengths, why he hates humanity and why he needs to convince Sabrina to join him.
I'm kinda extra angry now :( I stopped watched watching after the first season, now I'm extra mad they wasted all of these great concepts...
It's not the same but if you want a living sword storyline, the male love interest in the YA fantasy trilogy The Name of The Blade by Zoe Marriott is a living sword/linked to a magic sword. He slept in the sword for thousands of years and then for a couple years before the story starts, he had flashes and dreams of our world so he's kind of familiar with stuff but still a fish out of water. The female main character is the one wielding the sword and they have this mystical connection but also a strong partnership as warriors, it's pretty interesting!
totally agree! The Devil's Sword idea is dope as hell. They could have done so much with it! And since she's a powerful weapon, maybe it could be that she's the only thing capable of taking down the Devil (the Maker destroyed by his own Hand trope). Ugh, I'm also so upset at the wasted potential of this show
They also did the same thing in Supernatural back in the year of our lord 2010 lol. Don't watch the show, it's truly traumatic, but that was a huge part of one of the main characters, although alternatively it was the Sword of Michael, and they're interpreted as being vessels. Honestly, that was so cool but Supernatural was plagued by production issues. I do think Sabrina and Supernatural have a lot in common up to their really bad endings and they abandon the Sword of Michael concept after season 5 and then get it back in 14 and then abandon it again lol.
I love this idea of Sabrina being a holy weapon. Like you said, it deepens her conflicting natures of good and evil. This show wasted so much potential.
Hi, just wanted to add to this, but a way they could have mixed in/justified the “Lucifer’s daughter” plot line would be if, due to his corruption, Lucifer couldn’t wield the sword himself, so he tried to make a champion. Place the sword with the soul, sword is stronger, witch’s soul should get cancelled out, sturdy body of a witch, loyal mind of a holy weapon. Whoops, surprise baptism, free will has entered the chat, got blended into a Holy Witch Smoothie™️ with extra feminism, and now Sabrina can perform exorcisms
I hope that makes sense?👉🏽👈🏽
The story about Hilda , the devil and the box is literally an episode of the Twilight zone.... So that amazing idea is a stolen idea.
So strange how I just watched this video only to open my IG explore page a few hours later to see that Ambrose passed away. RIP Chance 🕊️
I hated that she was so against Lucifer being her father but totally forgot that in the next season and happily became queen of hell. Honestly if they just kept her as the sword of hell it would have so much more interesting
Dont worry she denosis him in s4
Couldn't agree more
And then she also forgot what caliban did to her and married him. Ma'am, do you have dementia?
Agreed
@@tunafish5462 technecly that was Sabrina Morningstar, a clone of Sabrina who spend way more time with him that Sabrina Spelman. Mayby he was a new man with her but his normal self with others
what annoys me terribly is that they worshipped the devil, but as soon as Nick is imprisoned by the devil he hates it?????????? WHY DID YOU WORSHIP HIM THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT DID YOU EXPECT???????? Why are you not in complete awe at being his prisoner? Witches would yearly sacrifice themselves to the devil, and you can't take being in hell?????
Maybe it is a metaphor of being in a cult
@@seleneaurea3222 I would believe that if there was any learning from it, but the characters never reflect on anything, never learn, it's all dismissed
@@cinmussi Ah, i never said it was a good written one
XDDD
So, as much as I dislike the show, this makes sense. Those that serve the devil gain a place in hell. Nick however, ended up in the position he was in for directly defying the Devil. At this point, he was no longer a worshipper, but a traitor.
what really wasted what was left of the show for me, especially on the "feminist" part, was seeing Sabrina accept that she lost both her boyfriends by burning the candle with their names on it, and that she could never get any of them because of that, leading to a "I don't need no man" character development. Which was kinda cool, because I feel that you don't see often shows that end without the main character being in a happy relationship. I thought "good, she will learn to live single, and eventually find someone else because that is life". Only for her to end with Nick because "hey, let's give her her happy ending anyway". Either that, or that was Nick who needed her desperatly. But again, he was supposed to have lost all feelings for her after she burnt the candle. So this conclusion makes no sense to me, and just appears as a "the hero ended up with her boyfriend eventually".
My issue of the pacing kinda ties into the scene you mentioned with killing the angels, like angels are equivalent in the hierarchy to demons and so I think should be a lot harder to defeat, like maybe she should have stayed dead an episode and we follow her as she comes back to life
Also, going from a 16yo girl who hasn’t decided if she even wants to be a witch to replacing satan in just 2 years irl (idr how long in the show) is just dumb
Most of the storyline should have been extended to nearly double what it was because for me there was not time to even appreciate the weight of any events because it was so fast it felt inconsequential
Deciding to defy the devil should have taken longer, killing angels should be a big deal, defeating anyone with hundreds of years of practice in magic should have been more difficult, replacing Satan should have been the crowning achievement after like 10 years
Which is basically a long winded version of what you so nicely summed up with your Perfect Character Syndrome point
The thing with Salem is that the role was just given to Ambrose. Hear me out. Ambrose is a character who's a old and knowledgeable sorcerer, who got cursed for a terrorist crime and is now stuck, that's basically the backstory from the old series. He's cynical, (mostly) chill, charismatic, and a lot of info we get on the world comes from him. If you replace Ambrose with a talking cat in ANY SCENE except the sex ones (basically curse Ambrose into a cat instead of being stuck in the house), it just works, it fills all the holes that Salem should have filled. The writers just split Salem into two characters, Ambrose, the cynical old sorcerer, and Salem, the cat that does nothing because every writing choice was taken from him by Ambrose
Now, why does Ambrose exist at all you ask ? Because Salem is too important for Roberto to not sexualize him. Roberto needed him to be a sexy human to put in steamy sex scenes, so he created Ambrose. And since he couldn't just remove Salem because the fans would be pissed, he added a random cat anyway.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
I rewatched the first season recently and you're completely right!
Well that, and keirnan was apparently allergic to cats, hence why they couldn’t have the real cat on set too much.
@@Miyanoai14 There are hypoallergenic cat breeds out there (the allergies come from a protein in the cats saliva when they lick themselves, not the hairs themselves), so i guess finding one for the filming wouldn't be too hard. Or they could have used a CGI cat, or a puppet cat, since it would have to make it talk anyway. In any case if they really wanted to, there were tons of ways they could have avoided the allergy issue and made the cat an important role, they just weren't interested in that
I agree, I actually thought the same thing too. Ambrose basically IS Salem
And he's black and gay. There was no way the cat could not lose its role these days. Poor cat.
Nick: "Sabrina Spellman, we're endgame."
Me: *feels physical pain*
I was like, "Who says that in real life?" *physical replusion*
Lmao I repressed that line thanks for the painful reminder ☠️
Haha, it was just as cringey when Veronica said it. I remember thinking... they cannot be using that line again.
Someone call Thanos and tell him these characters need to be snapped.
i loved sabrina's face when he said that tho, she was like *cringe*
I loved Chilling adventures. I wish they would have made Harvey an actual witch hunter. Not to mention Ross was a mary jane.
The actor who played Ambrose Spellman died in a motorcycle accident this Easter weekend. 2024. Just way too young, RIP 😊
Imagine a Shrek remake but donkey doesn’t talk
And also in the Riverdale universe
Shrek would enjoy that, at least
Did someone say Mulan.
@@mocagami 😅😅😅ahgaga
@@mocagami Still not over the removal of Shang, the addition of some man killing witch, and the existence of a second daughter, that makes Mulans struggles less important, cause
spoilers for those people.. >_>
her sister gets married, so she brings honor to the family anyway.
edit:I forgot about the cgi Chi power
I was gonna say that the tone was all over the place. There’s the body horror and the little kid being kidnapped by the ice cream man and then cheerleaders are singing and you’re like…?
First two seasons are fine. And incredibly witchy as planned. Then the third and fourth one. It smells a lot like Riverdale. The random song number. They should have stopped at the second one. I was secretly hoping at the third one that they'll recover. But maybe they did. A bitm
It feels like they were trying to make an ironic juxtaposition but it ended up just being unorganized and chaotic 😵💫
@@taystanloona6002 sometimes it got so dark it looked like it got scared by itself and had to lighten the mood with a musical number.
Ice cream pedo kidnapping and killing children ? We don’t mean it really - here’s some cheerleaders dancing around.
Lilith killing her own child so Lucifer can’t use it against her? We don’t mean it - look here’s Satan’s singing contest.
What about Lilith murdering her baby? Think I'm still horrored by thank, and genuinely thought it was a trick but nooooo 😱
@@Natta44 also that. I thought that was a cop-out too! And everyone just forgets about it 😭
I feel like a lot of the rules Selina is "breaking and doing anyways" are the writers trying to show two points. 1: the rule isn't real and was said to keep the witches in check by Father Blackwood. 2: To show how much stronger she is because she's next in line for the throne of Hell. I feel like her destiny being the queen of hell is why she has a sort of god complex from the beginning.
40:08 it's so good to hear you say you love aunt Hilda! as the actress is British actress, Lucy Davis and she's amazing! She's in Shaun Of The Dead and the uk The Office and she is so hilarious and endearing in both!
The most tragic thing about this show is the fact that it was perfectly cast (as far as the main family at least). All of these actors are really great and this show could have been so unbelievably good. The second most tragic thing is Salem.
I personally loved what I watched of the series, but after she went to the school and I think there was an announcement that it was getting canceled or maybe it was something about Satanist not liking the statue that they used, that I just stopped watching. I'm bad with completion anxiety when it comes to shows and if I know that it is canceled or that it ended, I usually stop where I am at and I think to myself "I'll just finish it another time" and now it's been like almost 10 years since I needed to watch the last episode of United States of Tara.
He was useless 😭 more a prop than a supporting character
Third is Satan being boring
@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty Satan was so, so hot, though.
@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty With boring motivations. I mean, it low key offered the idea that the worst part of being the Devil is the bureaucracy it entails. His greatest power seemed to come from sneakiness.
The oversexualization of teenagers is what really put me off watching this show, couldn’t finish season 2.
Like... the actors are adults, why can't it be college? Why did they have to pick a high school, or couldn't have Sabrina be turning 18 and the rest of the show be as adults? Oh, because some adult men are creepy as hell? Okay.
That's the main reason why I didn't finish this show I quit during s2 and thank god I did bc the show got worse worse
Yeah in hindsight that was extremely creepy.
Quoting Kennie JD "-A BROODING HOT 25 YEAR-OLD TEENAGER!"
Hollywood has always done this in their movies and shows, like One Tree Hill, Gossip Girl, Beverly Hills 90210. That's why they always cast actors in their 20s to play teenagers, partly because of all the sexual things they'd be playing. And I've always found it to be creepy.
I love this analyses. I could not really but a finger on why i was so frustrated with the show even though it was so visually stylistically appealing and there was genuinely interesting stories and characters.
I think it is really the “no consequence for Sabrina, she just breaks reality” that gets me. I really thought there would be like an overarching big consequence for all of her choices. Like she proved to be just like the Devil or she somehow had her big choice taken from her by the smaller choices she evades the consequences of.
I guess I stopped watching when I realised that the interesting consequence was just never going to happen and the story reveals I was waiting began to no longer matter…. So thank you for making me able to verbalise that frustration
Ambrose was my favorite ever. I loved his tragic story line and enjoyed him and Sabrinas relationship. I watched after season 3 because of him. I wasnt invested in the crazy story line much. Like as soon as the hob goblin showed up i was checking out lol
Early Sabrina had some Addams family quality to it. Mixing good and evil, blurring the lines. Later it felt more like Mary Sue and the good kids in satanic Hogwarts, fighting against the evil.
Agreed!
NAILED IT!!
so it turned into My Immortal?
tbh agreed
fighting against the holy 😂😂
I think my ideal Dark Sabrina show is a pure horror show with a talking snarky Salem that brings moments of levity and dry comedy in short moments. Also I think Sabrina being in college would be more interesting than the high school teen drama. Sabrina being a young adult would allow for more freedom for the writers to dip in both ridiculousness and grounded drama.
I just finished reading the How To Survive Camping series on Reddit and it has me thinking what would've happened if, in a "dark" retelling of Sabrina, Salem played a similar role to a character from that series, The Man With A Skull Cup. A somewhat snarky companion/observer that provides occasional commentary and advice but is clearly Not there purely to help Sabrina and isn't above letting her or others get hurt, or hurting her himself, if it furthers his plans. A being that's clearly more than he appears to be, and isn't afraid to remind her that he isn't her friend, she can die at any time and it won't affect him, he's just along for the ride, a higher being observing like a person watching fish in a tank, or a kid watching ants on a sidewalk before he crushes them under his heel. A human could never hope to comprehend his real motives or true nature, and Sabrina better get used to it, because as much as he doesn't need her, she needs him.
Yes! These writers are so obsessed w placing all their shows in high school 😭
Ghost Stories dub
@@sleepythemis I think you would really like death note
Maybe one day or never :/
LOVED the scene of the witches performing the exorcism! It was so badass girl power all that good stuff but not long after that it becomes clear that theres nothing she cant do and without even breaking much of a sweat. I got bored fast. Its like every episode something devastating and extreme comes up and then by the end of the episode Sabrina saves the day, adjusts her headband and then goes to school. Lame.
Loved your video! It´s very well-structured and written you definitely have my sub.
For some reason I love when people talk about shows that disappoint them.
Me too
Me too, especially when they had so much potential beforehand!
@@trinaq I see you everywhere it looks like we follow the same commentary channels!
@@lilygirllisa Yep, great minds certainly think alike, right?! 😉
me too especially when a show disappoint me too
The show died for me when they tried to turn it into a musical. They obviously learned nothing from Riverdale's disastrous attempts!
I love musicals to death, but even I think it was out of place 🤷🏽♀️
@@ericanair9144 That's because combining Sabrina and musicals is like combining ice cream and cheese. Both are great foods, but they don't go together at all.
@@ericanair9144 Well, and musicals are meant to express emotion. The one good use of a "musical" scene in Sabrina is Masquerade, because it really worked with the tension (emotion) and actually made sense within the story- also it's a one-time thing, it's not like they were singing the whole episode. It's not perfect but that scene was really cool. The lyrics fit well and their voices are rather beautiful. It doesn't work otherwise because there's not a reason for them to sing and it's just weird. There's not so much emotion behind it. Riverdale really misuses music because of this- you sing when speaking no longer expresses how you feel. The plot doesn't fit the music in Riverdale or it has to go entirely out of it's own way to make the songs make sense, and nobody sings because they're so filled with emotion that they have to, it's just because... it's a musical, so why not?
I agree. I couldn’t take it.
This is your first video that I've watched and it made me subscribe. I love it. PS- The way you roasted Roberto made me so happy.
I feel Ambrose was meant to fill the part of Salem talking. He's sarcastic, over the top, and instead of being a cat for his crimes he's stuck in the property. I don't know why they didn't have Salem be the same talking cat who could also give information to Sabrina like Ambrose does, I love Ambrose but I love Salem more
From what I'm aware Kiernan Shipka is allergic to cats, so that kinda cut down how much she could interact with Salem unless they fully CGI'd the cat. There may've been another way around it but I guess they didn't figure one out; shame though, Salem is a wonderful lil character.
@@ydiafol6294 90s show had a puppet doing all the talking. Unless Kiernan is allergic to the concept of the cat itself, they could've used it again.
@@ydiafol6294 I'm allergic to cats as well but I just need to take no sleepy allergy meds and I'm fine, and I'm pretty allergic. I'm not demanding she do so for the sake of the show, but there are ways around it
@@ydiafol6294 that would explain the lack of scenes with both Sabrina and Salem in it (particularly in the same frame) but doesn't nearly explain how they shafted his character altogether. Not the actress' fault at all -- I get it, but other than that it's a waste, really. I mean Brie Larson turned out to be allergic during the filming of Captain Marvel but they still utilized Goose a lot -- granted, they have that typical MCU budget, but still.
They could have simply used a different form for Salem post allergic reaction(its not like they cared much about the canon of the source material anyway and there are other iconic witch familiars besides black cats).
I would agree they simply didnt bother because Ambrose pretty much filled the advisor spot anyway and they had no idea what to do with Salem after giving his job to someone filling the quota.
I would've greatly enjoyed if they'd had Sabrina become a legit villain protagonist for a while, and then have something happen that forces her to see how far down the dark path she's gone, and have her confront her own selfishness and grow from it. But that's too complex for these writers.
yess that would have been really interesting
I was actually hoping that would happen, since they went far already with the whole path of darkness thing I wanted to see Sabrina act on that dark part of herself that scared her
I don't know how old you are but if you like characters going down a dark villainous path and like to read then I'd give the Young Elites Trilogy a try. It's for YA but I think it's good.
@@jacobstevens7046 Thanks for the recommendation, I've been wanting to read good books like that that actually show it the right way
@@jacobstevens7046 I've no biases against YA if it's decent! Thanks for the rec!
I hate how we only got a power tripping Sabrina in season 2- and that was it.
This has to be one of your funniest and bestest critiqued videos!
The problem with Roberto Aguirre Sacasa is that he's very one-note. He can make a decently good first season - maybe a second if you squint real hard but ultimately, he has an undying ability to destroy the shows that he creates. What people gotta realize is you take the man - let him write out his first season, or plot what direction he wants to head into, then violently rip all of that out of his hands and get some proper writers to tidy it. You consult if you must thereafter, but he ain't gonna be able to develop it much further. Or if he must continue to be a showrunner, let him have one season only. It'll likely make a good standalone piece.
Smells like Steven Moffat
This is so spot on. I'm sure he's not the only writer out there like this, but he is one of the first I've seen where it's so glaringly obvious that he is not at all as good as he's made to seem. He gets a talented cast, a decent budget and a talented crew, lets them enjoy the excitement of everyone talking about their show for a year, and then they all just get stuck in a world of his bad decisions and everyone joking about how much their show sucks.
Reminds me of how JJ Abrams can come up with really good concepts, but has no idea how to write a middle or end
Hell the fact that I can think of so many directors and show runners similar to Roberto shows there is definitely a problem with entertainment today
He has great concepts but never knows how to extend them
@@2cloud22 oh god. Recently rewatched Sherlock and this statement stabbed me right in the soul. Too true, man. Too true.
I was absolutely HORRIFIED about Nick's ending. It was the dumbest way to end a character's story and it romanticized dying on purpose because you can't live without your SO. Like, shit, I liked Nick throughout the first seasons but then he became totally bland and his only purpose was being in love with Sabrina. He couldn't have an actual goal except showing than he was nothing on his own. Such a great example for young people watching the show. This really threw me off. I can excuse bad writing but I can't excuse showing these kind of toxic behaviors as if it was nothing.
No, I can't excuse bad writing anymore...
Also the fact that he acknowledges that sacrificing himself for her is not worth it already.
The story is called Romeo and Juliette.
@@AlexaOrchid well yes, but Romeo and Juliette was obviously not meant to be a romantic take on being unable to live without your significant other. It was written in a time where every excessive emotion was a huge no go and I would dare to say that ending your life because your loveinterest (supposedly) died is one of the most excessive emotions out there
What's funny is after I saw that ending with Nick all I could think of was this episode of Angel which points out why this idea is horrible
This was an amaaaaaazing breakdown of the show
Totally spot on about most of this, but regarding Zelda kicking Blackwood out of his kid's birth - didn't she do that on purpose so that she could lie to him about the babies?
Regarding Ambrose & his immaturity despite his age. In the very last season, Aunt Zelda finally points this out and says "Really?? A 16 yr old girl forced an 134 yr old man to lie. Is that what happened Ambrose? Did Sabrina bully you?" It was so satisfying 😭😂
FACTS OMG 😂
666 likes, so on par.
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that "acient being that looks like a teenager" is a trope i hate for that reason. Like half the time its just creepy because they'll often end up dating someone old enough to be their great-great-grandchild and the rest of the time they're totally bitches that hasnt matured in centuries. Even if you look 14 that doesnt mean you cant mature past 14.
Also, the musicals literally were so cringe and disgusting, I had to rage quit a number of times. The "concert" at the gates of hell. I gave up on watching the rest for a long time.
Honestly they piqued at Masquerade
hahaha yeeees! "Uhhhmm, what about singing super hardcore metal in a concert in HELL. Yeah, Sweet child o'mine sounds perfect" XD
You atleast got to s3. I dropped out during s2, when I just got bored.
@@arianalbert I really liked that one but the others were bleh
Worst part of the show 🤢
Me and my bf watched the 3rd and 4th season of this show a few months ago bc we had never finished the series years ago. My bf’s catchphrase for Sabrina was “Because I can have it all!” It ended up being a very fitting mantra for this character lol. It’s what I was thinking the entire time you were talking about her flaws.
This video is awesome! I'm getting into aesthetics of this show I see online but it's good to know what I'll be in for if I watch past the first two episodes (which I watched when the first season came out). I thought it was ok then but I have commitment issues with ongoing shows lol. I love what you said about how it looks beautiful but the writing isn't there. However I sometimes watch shows just for good costumes so I will probably still give it a try. Great comprehensive overview with savvy insights bolstered by solid examples. Thanks again.
the devil in the first season: creepy crazy goat, mad powerul and cool
the devil in the last season: spoiled baby boy who is also totally underwhelming
I hated the fact that Sabrina Morningstar just gave up and submitted to his desires and even BONDED with him as a "dad". Didn't he kill her parents, traumatize and abuse her and torment her whole family? Seriously what even is this show's writing with the villains.
yep they took all his power away he became noting
Sounds like the beginning and end of a first date. *snickers* Love it and so true!
"Imagine if Deadpool was a cat. That's Salem" THAT IS SO ACCURATE
It was spot on.
Considering there's a Deadpool without a mouth, Salem is not completely off either...
I'll see myself out.
ABSOLUTELY THIS
Why call how Zelda treats Hilda "bullying"? It's straight up abuse. I watched the first few episodes of Season 1, and the main reason I stopped was I THOUGHT "Wow, Zelda is a psychopath, so she must be a bad guy", but then the show wasn't following up on that and acted like what she was doing was...excusable? Yeah. I noped out super fast.
I don't know if this is inappropriate to say, but the way the worst characters in his shows tend to be a strawman version of a feminist makes me wonder if Roberto is actually a woman-hating type of gay man who tries to hide it in a kind of "support" of "feminism" that actually makes people hate feminism.
I don't know if this would be giving him too much credit or too little...
The performative activism and wokeness of CAOS and Riverdale are sooo frustrating...
As a feminist, I'm thrilled that the movement has become more mainstream and is reflected on in the media. But if you want to make feminism a part of the deal, you need to do the work too! You can't just throw in some "cool" lines and mottos and then go on to misrepresent the whole concept. Two things I truly despise are the men-hating and the representation of sexuality. Feminism has obviously nothing to do with hating men, it's actually designed to also break stereotypes and misconceptions of manhood. I'm kind of surprised the video didn't also mention the sexualization that goes on. Because there is a thin line between body positivity and sexualizing characters. This happens so much in this show and Riverdale as well. It's mostly camera angels and contexts that don't sit right. Why do the heroines have to perform a spell in their underwear? Why is the camera "checking" out Cheryls whole body when it has nothing to do with the scene? Sorry for the rant, I just get frustrated. Loved the review though! Can't wait for your take on Riverdale :)
I was worry about being name called, so i never said anything about it,, but I also disliked the sexualization. And I wish it was delt with better; same with feminism in the show.
i agree with what yall said and also considering the de facto audience of riverdale seems to be ppl in their early teens I think the sexualization is specially jarring
Exactly!!! 👏🏽
The dissonance of framing! Claiming to be feminist but lingering inappropriately over bodies because the male gaze and sexualization of young girls is actually what's going on and the feminism is a smoke screen.
You dropped this.. 👑
Ambrose is basically the replacement of Salem:
Sarcastic ✔
Witty ✔
All knowing ✔
Very pretty ✔
Punished for an illegal act ✔
Exactly!! Salem was just there so there'd be a cat, but in reality Ambrose is literally everything original Salem was, except a cat 🤦♀️
Almost like they needed a token hire to check all the boxes for social justice. At the cost of a black character…. Ironic.
For some time my boyfriend had thought that Ambrose is Salem's human form and was very confused at some points in the show before I told him x'd
But I liked that reading. It's a shame it's not like that.
i think they cut the budget that way, lots of less money spent in cgi making custom talking cat look good
@@henrikaugustsson4041 I have been saying this for a while. Society dogs every little thing these days, but when writers come up with "woke" characters all we get are shallow shells. It's been so harmful that we have people believe that "white people" really are evil & "men" really are all just selfish pigs.
Is that really a healthy way to view life. So in turn we get characters who embody these thoughts. This writer wasn't out of touch by the way. This is reality right now.
I really wish they would have gone back and explored Sabrina as an actual teenager at Baxter High and being presented with scenarios where she could be a crime-fighting witch with her HS friends which is how I interpret the title "The chilling Adventures of Sabrina." I really feel like they started going off the deep end and season 3 but I still feel like the show could come back with a fresh start going back to Baxter High
I would LOVE to see you do an in-depth analysis on Lucifer series.😊
Sabrina repeatedly choosing to not learn from her mistakes nearly made me stop watching the show altogether
when I found out she wanted to marry calbain in season 4 I literally just closed Netflix and stopped watching for like a week. Lady? Ma'am? Do you not learn? Like ever? I know she is supposed to be young and all but I have seen 12 year olds who are more mature than this dumbass.
Honestly, it went from "oh, I am really hopeful she has a satisfying redemption later on", to "she's a lost cause, might as well make her the villain at that point"
I mean honestly I’m not mad towards that idea that well, she is Lucifer’s daughter, she believes she can do anything and get away with it , she is arrogant and she is selfish and a narcissist , that’s the whole Lucifer side of her
I think it could have been so cool to actually battle with those two ideas, didn’t she supposedly killed her “evil “ self? That was when I was like “ oh .uhm, that’s stupid” they could have done so much more
They could have started seeing things way more on a gray area , THE WHOLE SERIES WAS BLACK OR WHITE
Just the line "I will fix this.. like I always do"
BISH YOU'RE THE REASON THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE DONT TELL ME YOURE SO GREAT AT FIXING STUFF
The Pretty Little Liars academy of abandoned storylines is definitely a name you should keep using😂😂😂😂
God at least pretty liars had a modicum of talent behind it. 😂😂😂
PLL orphanage if you will
Just CW things!
@@tochiiii what do you think I meant by “modicum?” 😂😂😂
Thank you for so concisely explaining what I dislike about most shows and movies these days.
Just found this. I thought the first was a great season, and it was fine for a year or so after but got worse. I didnt regret watching it though. Father blackwood was great. The horror was great. Sabrina was great. What a great actress. It always bothered me though sabrina basically got harveys brothers soul destroyed and she never even told him. I know its a horrible thing to admit she did, but Harvey not knowing made it so much worse.
"MY NAME IS SABRINA SPELLMAN, AND I WILL NOT SIGN IT AWAY!"
"*then proceeds to sign her name, and soul, away in the season 1 finale because it's the easy solution*"
Me: *bangs head against wall*
I think that's why I couldn't go on with season 2. She was adamant about not signing the damn book and by the end she does it anyway, I guess just because? So for me that is when it became stupid.
@@jackiearnolds I think that was one of the things that started to take me out of the show too. She was constantly doing it to where if she said she wasn't going to do something in the beginning of the episode, she was going to do it by the end and it was very predictable. I do get that she might have still needed to sign for her powers or something, but they could have made her struggle a little bit more when she realized that is what she had to do, like give a reason why she doesn't want to do it but a reason for her to do it too.
What's even worse, is it doesn't even make since in universe. She signed the book because she would receive powers from satan but its later revealed that shes half angelic (from satan) so she was already born with those powers, where all the other witches have to follow satan to be gifted them (as we see in season 3 when he takes them away)...so why did she need to sign the book to unlock those powers if she was already born with them? It makes no since. It's a huge plot hole. No way they had this planned from the start.
Edit: it seems people are a bit confused by my comment, so to clarify- My point isn't that sabrina didnt know, it's that the writters clearly didnt have this planned out or think it through.
Sabrina gains powers from signing her name, but later on its revealed shes half angelic and was already born with powers (compared to the witches who have to be gifted them) and yet (again) sabrina gets new powers from signing her name.
If she already had anglic powers she wouldn't have needed to sign the book because they would have awakened eventually.
She cant already be born with them and also gain them. It doesn't work that way in universe. Yet the show tries to be both and breaks it's own lore
@@starfish4852 She didn't know that at the time. If they had done more with it and made it an agonizing choice to sign away and took us through her process of changing her mind only to find out later that it was unnecessary...that would have been good.
Then the shows completely removes the weight of signing the book because sabrina is literally the daughter of satan, the anti-jesus, and then she just seals lucifer inside of nick or something
I can't get over the fact that Lucifer, the actual devil, took his time from all hell business and hosted a high school music battle party🤭
He goes from main villain to dotting father and teen band enthusiast
Is just really surprising how non threatening he becomes. He gushes over Caliban's abs. Zelda points out the devil lies a lot less than Sabrina. He is shitty to Lilith and then loving and then shitty again. After being this menace he is just...there. Chilling.
1:04:24 this is a bad example, the sound is there because him mentioning the lizard is supposed to be a reveal/ realisation from ambrose. its cause the lizard acts like a familiar, therefore the guy was a covenless witch
You nailed the segment regarding PCS, the show refused to recognize her poor decisions
Just imagine: Lucifer being the guy that values free will above all things, and Sabrina being destined to be his Sword. Just the clash of prophecy and free will would have allowed for amazing dialogue. But they ruined it.
Everytime he talks, I want to punch a hole in a wall like please never open your mouth again. All the things he say is cringy or annoying or both. Also why does the actor talk like he just got his wisdom tooth pulled out?
I also hate how he went from a supposedly higher that was above everyone and always planned ahead to basically being like a very horny and sarcastic 40 year old that can be defeated easily by half of the people in the show
À Lucifer obsessed with Free Will would have been fascinating to watch. I’d love to hear him bragging about giving Eve the apple and granting free will to humanity. Being mad at God for wanting to control humanity with His doctrine and giving witches power and immortality just to fuck with gods plan is exactly what a rebellious angel would do.
The conflict of having witches promise themselves to Satan, when Satan hates confining free will could make great content around the prophecies around Sabrina and the destiny she’s trying to defy
I hate Lucifer, he boring and awful
*w a s t e d p o t e n t i a l*
26:40 another problem with the recent writing of "strong" female protagonists : some writers think that a good strong female character should overcome everything easily and shouldn't have any sacrifice to make at all
you literally made me realise i loved all these characters solely because the acting was so so good
I love how half of the commentary on the character is “the actor is AMAZING and PERFECT for the role and they do an INCREDIBLE job but THE FUCKING WRITING”
Biggest problem occurs when Actors don't relate with their Characters. Because they simply don't understand and don't care how that character appears to the audience.
And it is writer and directors job to help them understand the character
I actually like that Harvey is boring because Sabrina's life is already so action-packed and why it makes it more sense that Sabrina loves him because of that. He grounds her and won't let her forget her mortal side. But the writers ruined him in favor of Nick...
Never liked Nick and I always rooted for Harvey
@@npitzer They gave all that to Nick because all the girls were simping for him. It didn't matter that Harvey is the canon boyfriend all they want is bad boy sexy Nick! I felt so bad for Harvey and RAS destroyed him in favor for his own created boy toy!
@@equinoxXIII yeah, honestly most writers tend to fall for the cliches instead of writing better characterization because they believe the fans just watch the show for these obvious tropes, even when it doesn't really make sense to the main character to choose the supposed bad boy. My biggest pet peeve of all is when the writers go out of their way to ruin a good character just because they want their main to end up with the bad boy. Like, they always choose the lazy route, they don't keep everyone well-written and nice and their reasons and actions plausible because it might cause backlash if the main character chooses the bad boy if the good boy is still nice and cool, so they destroy the good guy in order to make the bad boy more appealing and like the obvious/only choice, even when the way they start writing the good boy completely goes against everything that has been established about them so far
@@npitzeryeah I'd really love to see more media where people end up with the good choice instead of the super toxic person they're choosing to blindly see the best in.
Especially as I've gotten older, found my person and got married, I find myself rooting for boring normal, grounded love interest because I remember how stressful being with Broken Bad boy/girl was.
Yeah, I liked Harvey and I couldn't stand Nick. And I dont get why the writers chose Nick over Harvey. Nick didn't really know who Sabrina is because he loves the idea of her and Harvey knew her. Also... im not a fan of the Roz/Harvey romance. It felt forced and really fake and the worst part is that those two had no chemistry despite the fact that they're dating (at least during the show) also it's kind of messed up if you think about it because Roz knew that Sabrina had a long relationship with him. She knows that talk about Harvey it's awkward for her and yet she still starts dating him without telling her and then Roz expects Sabrina to be okay with it just because???
Roz is a terrible friend now i think about it. And something that i don't understand is: according to the prophecy Roz is supposed to lose her eyesight but she will obtain the gift and on season 2 she has the gift and she still can see.
I want that three hour video about correctly flawed characters, please!!
great video ^^
I seriously wonder when filmmakers will understand that a strong, feminist, female character is just being a complex character, You know, one with drive, background, flaws, ambition and so on. Ain't all that hard, really.
I swear they just throw in some buzzwords and make the women Mary Sue's and think they did a great job, it's so frustrating because it just gives right-wing people fodder for "SJW feminazi media propaganda" rants assuming that we actually approve of these shows/movies either.
@@christmastiger I swear Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa really is the worst writer in television, because I immediately thought of Cheryl Blossom accusing her principal of ""queerphobia"" when he wouldn't let underage students do a sexy performance at a high school talent show...
Huh? I hope people aren't going around saying that Sabrina wasn't a complex character that was constantly making mistakes and learning from them, depending on others to complement her weaknesses. Being naturally talented in one or two areas is not the same thing as being a Mary Sue/Gary Stu. Although it seems that female characters can't even be mildly competent without being accused of being a Mary Sue.
@@christmastiger well it IS exactly that. When writers create "strong" female characters not on their own abilities but just by making all men evil und dump we are even more sexist as the sixties. And even 90% of these "right wing people" have no problems with good written strong female characters but with stupid propaganda. thats the difference between wonder woman and captain marvel
@@yannym4605 have even listen to the video