Dune II (2024) | Why it's such a Masterpiece
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Dune: Part Two is a 2024 American epic science fiction film directed and co-produced by Denis Villeneuve, who co-wrote the screenplay with Jon Spaihts. The sequel to Dune (2021), it is the second of a two-part adaptation of the 1965 novel Dune by Frank Herbert. It follows Paul Atreides as he unites with the Fremen people of the desert planet Arrakis to wage war against House Harkonnen. Timothée Chalamet, Zendaya, Rebecca Ferguson, Josh Brolin, Stellan Skarsgård, Dave Bautista, Charlotte Rampling, and Javier Bardem reprise their roles from the first film, with Austin Butler, Florence Pugh, Christopher Walken, Léa Seydoux, and Souheila Yacoub joining the ensemble cast.
Timestamp:
00:00 - Intro
00:40 - General Thoughts
03:43 - Dune II's Incredible Cinematography
04:45 - Hans Zimmer's Legacy
05:58 - Seeing the Film in IMAX
06:29 - Dune I
08:01 - The Incredible Acting
09:14 - Were the fight scenes better than GOT?
10:47 - Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen
14:48 - Cultural Appropriation
19:05 - House Atreides aka LIBERALS
22:20 - Paul's Revenge
23:21 - Paul Violate's the Fremen Culture
26:25 - What does liberation look like for the Fremen?
29:54 - Why Chani is such an important Character
31:58 - Paul's Change
33:48 - Why the Series gets misinterpreted
37:27 - Ending
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The only reason the second book exist is because Frank Herbert was disappointed with many people’s interpretation of Paul.
Well thank god for human stupidity 😂
Things I think we must take in account (straightly from the movie)
1. Paul hesitated before making his choice.
2. It is impossible to leave the Fremen alone. Arrakis is the only source of Spice in the universe. (Necessary for Space Travel.
3. By removing the emperor, you have no choice but to become the new tyrant and wage war. People will not immediately obey just for marrying into the Bloodline.
Timothee was soo good giving those speeches at the end. Knowing who Paul turns to, I was worried Timothee couldn’t tap into that side but he was totally believable .
17:10 About Paul and the Bene Gesserit powers and him not being supposed to have it, that wasn’t because the Bene Gesserit powers are solely for women, it’s because according to the Bene Gesserit, the only man they saw fit to inherit that power is the man who would be the end result of their breeding program. This man was their "chosen one" and he would be a sort of male version of a Reverend Mother with the added bonus power of being able to see the future, while the Reverend Mothers can only see the accumulated memory of their ancestors.
That man was expected to be born 1 generation after Paul, and Jessica was supposed to give birth to the female who breed with a Harkonnen and birth this “chosen one” but she birthed Paul instead, which sort of disrupted their plans because they wanted to ensure this man could be controlled by them instead of being a wildcard like Paul. In the 1st movie you can see the Reverend Mother scolding Jessica over this.
By the way Paul being called abomination is an easter egg for the book. In the book, "abomination" is the term referring to babies who were exposed to the blue water of life while in the womb, which turns them into babies with Reverend Mother powers and full adult mental capacity in a baby's body. So in the book, the Reverend Mother calls Paul's sister an abomination (unlike in the movie, his sister was born in the book and became a really creepy talking toddler and was present in the final scenes).
Pretty sure the reason Rabban got Arrakis over Feyd at first, was that Feyd wasn’t old enough. Remember they talk about his birthday and coming of age in the movie, and right after he gets awarded Arrakis
It’s interesting because he’s much more competent and intelligent than rabban, I wonder if that’s his genetic lineage.
There's a quote in the book said by the father of Liet Kynes (the father of the fremen woman with drealocks in the first film) "The greatest tragedy thar could befall your people is for them to fall into the hands of a hero."
I appreciate the focus on colonialism and systems of power which was part of Dune but Herberts main message was that charasmatic leaders are damgerous because people give up their individuality and become creatures of devotion. Stillgar is an example of this. He starts an independent strong man but by the end he is essentially a dog, put under a spell by religipus fervor. And its important to realize why all of Pauls visions lead to horror, the stpry of the messiah will drive the fremen to this no matter what. If paul dies someone else will take his place.
Feyd-Rautha actually isn't in the book as much as you might think but he is still a character that we looked forward to seeing
Came here from you tiktok - love this discussion.
Thank you!!
I totally agree with your thoughts re: the Harkonnen suit design--it was like a bug carapace, like a beetle, but then I saw an interview with Denis in which he talked about how those suits were made specifically to give the impression that they don't belong in this environment, and I guessed it showed, as they all got dropped off that vantage point. The deep russet orange color of that environment, the bestial nature of their spoken language, it doesn't flow like sand but sounds like an animalistic bark or grunt. It all goes together to illustrate that they are out of their element. And then the water removal oh dear Lord...the sound design in that sequence alone sets the table.
It's a war there is no Moral side, it's all about alliances that's just the way the world works. The Paul was one guy the Fremen already had their army. It does speak true that change is hard to come by oppressed countries without an outside influence usually from the West. There's no such thing as an innocent people every group of people have interest. Stilgar told Paul he doesn't care if Paul doesn't believe because he believes. We can paint a picture and try to apportion blame but the reality is the Fremen used Paul as much as he used the Fremen to get rid of the common threat.
14:45 The Fremen Prophecy was a Bene Gesserit construct to be used as an escape route for trapped Bene Gesserit, it was always meant to be Appropriation for their ends.
There was a practical reason for accepting Paul: the Fremen leaders knew that terraforming Arrakis using only the sacred water ritual was essentially impossible. While it served as a means to instill hope among the people, the reality was that vast volumes of water were necessary to transform the planet. In the end, the Fremen fought for the faction that promised to achieve their ultimate goal, even if it was cloaked in religious significance. For them, that goal was terraforming the planet.
It was also clear to then - "the voice from the outer world"- that the who would help them would be someone from outside, that has the tech, power and will to do it.
You are correct in that Paul is not a hero but an anti-hero. But it is a lot more complex in that as at least in the 21/24 films he was attempting to keep his distance from where the prophecy would take him.
He does frame his fighting with a background of revenge at the death of his father and the people who fought and supported his House.
I think one turning point you are missing for both Jessica (also unborn sister Alia) and Paul is the drinking of the Water 💧 of Life. All three beings are changed by that act. They have access and weight to their complete previous ancestors. Keep in mind the Baron is Paul’s grandfather via Jessica.
It is definitely a tale and story of warning.
This film is such a perfect balance of classic and modern film sensibilities, blockbuster and artistic visuals and atmosphere, complex but concise storytelling, and love for the source material with well thought-out innovations on all levels. A perfect 100/100 for me
One detail about the Atreides I noticed in the first film is when Leto tells his men to “catch some spies” it’s kind of implied that they’re going to start executing some people. They definitely have some layers of darkness to them
I also like how Paul calls himself “Paul Muad’Dib, Duke of Arrakis” with the signet ring to win over not only the Fremen but Gurney as well, and it works. And when he tells the huge fighter about his mother’s past, he’s not actually seeing it, only the correct words to say to manipulate him
Love the commentary, the book helps you sympathize with Paul a little more for why he decides to do what he knows is the wrong thing but it doesn’t change the fact it’s the wrong thing. Also loved lady Jessica on her villain shit she wasn’t doing that convincing talking back and forth shit, she was just like you gonna do as I say or I’m using the voice
I don't need any help sympathizing. He saw the future and the best outcome involves him marrying princess Irulan. Chani should understand that but frankly i don't think she loves him as much as she thinks she does
@@HugoStiglitz88 Thats a rather simplistic conclusion. Chani has not the power of foresight and as such can only make the choices she understands. If the person you love just tells you I love you but I have to do this thing real quick, how would you feel? Paul knows all the options and possibly easier for him to rationalise it, but for Chani this is not the same, she was never into the whole holy war thing.
Dune is a very high-level trolley problem, where no choice is a good choice and no matter how you rationalise it, from the perspective of the people suffering, it will always feel as the wrong choice.
Why is it the wrong thing, because you say so ?
@@jasonthomas9319 is manipulation and genocide not a bad thing where you’re from?
how do u guys only have 800 subs. just suscribed (i saw your videos on tiktok)!
Hahaha! We’ve only been at it for a year. Thanks for the compliment!
So many reaction channels are waiting to watch it until they can stream it and react to it and I’m so glad y’all didn’t wait! It truly is one that HAS to be watched in theaters
Brilliant books + Amazing Director/ dreamer to bring the vision to the screen + everyone with amazing talent from actors/actresses to sound to camera crew costuming etc = Masterpiece & Denis Villeneuve's Magnus Opus
2 definitely sets up for 3 (2nd book Dune Messiah) goes deep in about Herbert's quote "Charismatic leaders should come with warning labels. May be dangerous to your health." & Chani.....no spoilers but Zendaya will have some DEEP emotional stuff to portray = tear jerker for us the future viewers
Don’t forget when he mentioned that he is Harkennon so he will fight like one.
YES! We completely forgot about that
@ourcrazystupidpodcast Don't ever forget that Jessica, Paul, Alia and even the God Emperor carries the murderous Harkonnen gene.
This is the most in-depth and enjoyable review of Dune Part 2 that I've seen on CZcams! Great analysis of the material, thanks!
Enjoyable? Sure. In-depth? Not so much. Kinda need to have read the books for that
@Zoroasterisk No this is the movie, what is written in the books is irrelevant, a movie has to be judged on its own.
OMG! I am sooo glad I found you guys...Your analysis is spot on! Your insight and is informed, logical and original. As a black woman I am so happy to hear a discussion of these movies/books from "our" perspective. I have read each book numerous times and was completely satisfied with Denis' interpretation. But both of your analyses are a master class in how to review/analyze/interpret and discuss a movie. Hats off to you both!
Oh, and I subscribed and now have to go through your catalog of shows...Wish I knew about you with GOT!
The first part wasn't supposed to be exactly the same as part 2 in terms of focusing strongly on the same themes as the 2nd film. There was the need to establish the story and the characters first, so the second part could continue the story lines of the 2nd half of the book while focusing more on themes such as religious idolatry and fanaticism, the backstabbing and boot licking machinations of politics and warring, and the inherent dangers of too much power in the hands of too few or one.
Great discussion! I think you guys are dead on with your thoughts about house Atreides. They are definitely "nice" compared to the other houses we see, but they are 100% entrenched in the existing power structure. The way they see themselves is that they "govern with the consent of the governed" (quote), but given how the system works, that's a pretty empty statement. Potential "Dune" book spoiler ahead, but one of the larger subtextual changes in the first movie is that the Atreides as a whole, but Oscar Isaac as Leto in particular, are a lot more sympathetic in the movie than in the book. I'd say that comes from a combination of Oscar Isaac being the handsome and charismatic devil that he is, but also because a lot of the more "shady" aspects of the Atreides' takeover of Arrakis are not shown in the movie. The book is a lot more overt about how many of the "nice" things Leto and the Atreides do are calculated moves to advance their agenda through propaganda. I wonder how much of that change was driven by Denis Villeneuve trying to downplay the more subversive aspects of the book in order to guarantee the box office he knew he needed to tell the full story. I think he's definitely not holding back in the second part.
Apologies for the wall of text.
Oh BTW, one thing I saw differently: when Duncan Idaho confronts Dr. Kynes about the Atreides' betrayal, I don't think she answers from the point of the Fremen saying that it's not their fight. I think she answers as the imperial bureaucrat that is the second half of her identity, saying that the emperor commanded her to turn a blind eye to the goings-on.
Book spoilers
16:00 I wish they kept the reason they were originally excepted, they promise to teach the freman a combat technique called the weirding way, they do show him acting as a kinda military advisor for them building a dependency on him, it’s interesting because he uses it to build his legend as a savior and infiltrate deeper into freman culture, especially because they’re a culture that values, martial and combat prowess above all else, so if even if you doubt he is a messiah you can call him out and die, it’s a catch 22 for the freman culture, in the book people do come to challenge him one is killed by chani, honestly, I wish they had added that it’s one of my favorite scenes from the book and I think it would’ve been interesting with how they did chani’s character
20:00 ya that’s actually pretty accurate to both the book and movie. Leto even admits it to Paul at one point in the book, and when Paul talks about how they speak of the Duke’s greatness in the villages, Leto response, my propagandist some of the best
you guys brought so much perspective to me, im so glad i came across this video!! very intelligent discussion
I wanna go see it again. Also been listening to the audio book now that it finally can't spoil the movies for me, also brilliant
Excellent examination of some of the deeper/underlying themes of the book/movie. Hubert definitely wanted to write a cautionary tale regarding the dangers of religious/imperialistic power oppression - and was disappointed when more people didn’t recognize it as such - hence the second book, “Messiah”
Thats the thing about Paul , his story starts as "hero" at first glance but realizes that he has to make a personal sacrifice in order to bring a better future for generations ahead. The whole Dune saga isnt about the Fremen or the politics its about the end goal for humanity`s future in the universe so heroes have to become anti heroes or even villains even if they dont want to in order to achieve that goal. Its a very deep and at the same time realistic take and not the bland Good vs Evil trope.
Thanks for this video. You brought up very valuable & understandable points. Many of them seem personally on point. Having read the original series about forty yrs ago, this universe has been deeply contemplated ever since. I IMPLORE you to please read these original six books. Perhaps page turning only all the way up to & thru book #4- "God Emperor of Dune". It is reflective. To (better) understand a thing is to have lived a thing...to more completely understand these movies is to immerse yourselves within the original text. From there, an informed comparison between page & screen may be made, or not; the choice (of course) is yours. Please be aware that these movies have changed a few characters/characteristics & was unable to layout the uncompressed expanse of the author's vision. This film is a stunning master piece regardless. The authors story is also, in part, an apprehensive "cautionary tale" covering multiple fronts: some of which you touch upon, some you may not have seen yet, while others float in from a totally different direction...drifting details... idle late afternoon heat gusts before an approaching Haboob.
The new angle on Chani by Denis is interesting for what we don't see (as yet) as we as what we do see! We KNOW they will have twins-full stop. I suspect that a fertile Chani is pregnant NOW, and we will hear of (but not see) that their 1st child was lost due to no doubt of an attack on Chani. Revisit Paul's visions of her holding a bloody crysknife, standing WITH Paul supportively dressed in Harkonnen Black peering down, now seemingly fully bought in to Paul's oracular visions that he selectively acts on as a conqueror. Chani's character has to make a 180 of some kind, and her OSS of a child might do it. I predict that Denis will shoot Dune 3 that combines Dune Messiah & Children of Dune. Sets up The God Emperor as Dune 4, Heretics as Dune 5 & Chapterhouse Dune as Dune 6, thereby finishing the original works. Just a thought! 🤔🤣🎙👍🏾👍🏾
You two nailed it! Brilliant job discerning the themes of the author. Loved the discussion and viewpoints really, really interesting.
Very interesting dicussion ! Thank you
Lots of interesting perspectives here from folks encountering Dune for the 1st time! One edit: when R.M. Mohiam says "abomination" at the end, she is not talking about Paul. She is talking about Paul's sister Alia.
In the book, Alia has already been born by this point (around 3-years-old) & everyone is freaked out by a baby who can already talk & knows *way too much.* Among the Bene Gesserit, it is forbidden to attempt the Water of Life ceremony when pregnant. What happened was that unborn Alia became a Reverend Mother too when Jessica did. Being a R.M. means you have "other memory" -- the memories of your ancestors (only female memories for the Bene Gesserit, but the genes of the Atreides family allow access to male memories too). This is called being "pre-born" in the books. The "abomination" is that a fetus with no personality or life experience can be defenseless against the powerful personalities of some ancestors. If you think that means that Alia is going to be . . . a problem, you are right.
Excellent critic and interpretation, thank you ❤
Good job, folks
The cultural appropriation discussion I feel you interpret it too much based on real life, you hear eastern sounds and assume it represents those cultures, but its not the case. You can even argue that many of the culture within the fremen is planted. The whole religious structure was build over centuries to a specific goal. The whole galaxy has a culture, you cant look at that through real world lenses you need to use the established rules within that world.
The main point of Dune is that everyone wants power and they will do things to either get or maintain power. The main takeway should be to distrust charismatic people with good speaches and not follow them blindly. Paul is not exploiting the fremem as much as the fremen are exploiting Paul. They complete each other and the cost of it is a gazillion lives.
PS.: Also an important part to note is that "the fremen" is not really saying much, since we also get to see that they dont think all the same and have a huge divided between north and sound, where the south being more isolated was where the influence was more effective.
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I like your interpretation of the movie and how you view it from your point of view :) You may need to read the books though to understand some missing points - they were lightly explained in the movie too but it's easy to forget :)
This is why they call Dune Science Fiction for adults. The reason why director Villeneuve movies are so great is that he doesn’t try to show us a play by play of what was in the books. He shows us what the author meant by writing the book. Even with Dune part one the first 10 minutes tells us what we should be focusing on. A oppressed indigenous people versus the wealthy powerful people who is exploiting them for their resources. Part 2, how the people in power use religion to manipulate the poor and indigenous people. This is why I say all people of color should watch this movie or read this book.
So wtf was Leto supposed to do with a planet he was given power to run? Set up a burger stand and play dominoes?
Yup
I feel like the themes the movie was trying to get across are a little above the current social media analysis. The fremen are extremely wealthy militant religious fanatics who have been primed by the imperial cultural force(the bene gesserit) to expect a messiah. Paul and his mother essentially stumble through their prophetic trials by means v accessible to them(manipulations, bene gesserit mind reading and presience). Btw a green paradise would kill the worms and spice, ending fremen culture so even their salvation is bs. If a CHOSEN one exists, that window can have hazy outlines. Paul is a boy bred for authority and "greatness" by both his fathers aristocracy and his mothers eugenics. Him having access to the fremen is ALWAYS gonna end badly, hes a traumatised and drugged up kid who will pick the future wherein he gets revenge and power. The fremens enviornement made them strong, and Pauls enviornment made him space hitler. The themes show a parallel between human ideas of free will and prophecy combined with enviornmental determinism. Paul has been given access to a far greater level of control than anyone in the universe BECAUSE the fremen gave it to him, their faith in a charismatic leader was their downfall. Paul ultimately has to visit unbeleivable horror on humanity because of his sight of the one "golden path", and in the end realises his heart wont let him finally put the ultimate plan into action. Dooming his son to have to become the god emperor and save humanity
I loved it
It's kinda messing with me how the guy's voice is a lot like Quinn's Ideas - one of the biggest DuneTubers :D
I think that you are smart people capable of real insights, but in my opinion, you have to be more familiar with the source material before making social/political commentary on it.
*** POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD ***
For example, you can't reduce Paul to a colonialist that exploits an indigenous tribe for personal power, or some other combination of "common" human motivations. In Dune, Paul becomes essentially a biblical/transhuman figure that is faced with the necessity of making choices that go beyond any human norms, and all of humanity, including Fremen, Atreides, etc, everybody becomes an unwilling tool in this scheme, himself included. The human part of Paul is to a great extent a horrified witness to events that he is unable to stop, struggling to minimize the damage that is inevitably going to happen one way or another.
Basically Dune is set up as a universe with timelines that all lead to tremendous suffering. FWIW, the Fremen arguably have it "easier" than most others, because they become the hammer and everybody else is the nail. Paul gets to wield the hammer, but it's not really a choice in any human sense, since he's neither really human when he does it, nor does he have any better alternatives in the context of his almost total prescience.
I completely disagree, it's perfectly fine to make political and social analyses based on the films separate from the books. You don't have to no the books to make these sorts of analyses based solely on the messages and themes that Dennis focused on in these movies. Especially in this case because the themes and ideas taken from these 2 films is largely exactly what Herbbert was trying to do. Which is why, even though certainly not one-for-one, lot of there commentary here largely fits with the source material too.
The ending of Messiah will kill you.
Your discussion is exactly what Frank Herbert wanted. If you read the book you will find so much relevant philosophy in it. My favorite book of all time.
Thanks! Yeah, we’re both reading the books right now. Loving it!
You guys are doing exactly what you think Paul is doing. You are missing a lot of points and are internalizing this as a modern American racial thing. It's not.
This comment makes absolutely no sense
I thought the same thing around the 18:00 min mark. The message frank herbert was trying to convey is to be careful of charismatic leaders and messianic figures regardless of race.
Its both true and false that he invaded those spaces of the Bene Gesserit and the Fremen. On one hand, you are completely correct that he represents an outsider, and perhaps shouldn't even be there. On the other hand, the Bene Gesserit created the Kwizatch Haderach and knew it was going to be a man, and the Fremen religion had been manipulated for a long time by the Bene Gesserit to expect the Lisan al giab...literally the voice from the outer world.
It is a great representation of how things can be manipulated for power.
Dune is a warning about charismatic leaders not to trust them n their mistakes are amplified by their followers. Read the books its way kore in depth n naucaud than the movies.
This whole.equility thing was invented by Denis Villeneuve cause he believes in that. In the novel fremen are tribe n whats best for the tribe not about being equal. Its about whats best for the tribe. But you are correct about paul changing fremen culture that is true in both book n film but in the novel he dreds the jihad the holy war n wants to prevent it with every choice he makes not realising every choice brings him closer to it. Once he drank the water of life he sees the whole future and he brings the jihad by becoming emperor n the messiah. 61 billion will die in pauls name. Tou sre correct he cjose revenge for his dad but by doing this it leads to the joky wsr the jihad n 61 billion will die. Fremen is now the oppressive force in the universe. Billions will die now in pauls name the frmen are locked in a holy war that paul brought but he didnt wsnt if that makes sense paul is tragic. He thought he could control the futures not realising by choosing a future he locks the universe into that future. Paul is a prisoner of his own prescience
I live in Japan and had to wait but just saw it yesterday. I thought Zendaya was the emotional and moral compass of the film. This is a lot different from the books but I think it was really necessary to tell the story today. I don't mind the changes Denis made though a lot of my friends who are also fans of the books are very disappointed. I think you have to adapt to the times and Frank Herbert wrote Dune sixty years ago. And the films would not have sold if they weren't adapted for an audience that has not read the books. I love Zendaya's Chani because she is a strong woman who stands up for what is right when everybody around her is falling for the Missionara Protectiva. where in the book, she just goes along meekly with everything Paul is becoming. I thought the way she is written here is a better character and her performance was the best. You two are the best reviewers I have seen. Well done!
disagree with the paul take fully, and this isnt a color thing there are multiple colors in the freman smh. The prophecy that they believe pushes him to do it. He told them he didnt want to go south.
I think you missed the whole part about what Paul represents. Paul is from royalty. Paul comes from privilege. Frank Herbert says that in his interviews. Paul is not a hero. He’s a warning. but depending on where you come from the meaning behind the story could go over some people’s heads.
Why did Denis make the Fremen entirely Brown and Black? (the Herald of the Change in Dune 1 was Black.) The Harkonnens are White. The Sardakaurs are White. The Atreides are White with Asian underlings. What’s the message?
In the book n next book she is pauls concubine and Princess is his wife but he loves chani n only loves n makes love to her she borrs his kids futire of the empire chsni is pauls concubine but history call her wife. Paul has dame as his dad cant marry the person he loves caise of politics. But chani stays with paul n is his concubine while paul has Princess Irulan as his wife so his emperor. He doesnt dave the fremen. He destroyed the fremen. Read rhe books u dont know.
(okay, im back after having watched ur other dune review and just watching other dune related videos on yt and tiktok). I find the discourse about dune frustrating. More so how people (specifically older white fantasy nerds) fail to understand what the story is supposed to represent. Dune has alot of overlap in themes, obviously with religion and politics, how the enviorment and its impact can mold you, the arrogance and assumpation of being the chosen one/white savior trope, and fate. It's very obvious that dune is critiquing the explotation of spice (or oil in our real world) and the middle eastern people; the freman wear simliar clothing to people of middle eastern descent and have similar praying rituals to those that pratice islam. You'd be surprised at how many people on tiktok are so adamant on this not being true, (but would you really, bc tiktok is the one social media platform that lacks critical thinking in literary work/media). Herbert himself said that the freman are based on various arabic cultures in the middle east as well as the religon of islam. But ultimately, it just comes down to people wanting fanstasy and reality to be seperate, when in actuality fantasy/sci-fi isn't good if it isnt political. Dune is based off reality, it critiques the structures set in place to exploit the global south and marginalized groups in the americas and east. Dune is especially prevalant now with the genocide in palestine and how israel (harkonens/atredies) is a power imposed by western powers (the empire).
I also have a hard time with the casting in this movie. I wish there were more middle eastern actors in this, but I understand why people of middle eastern descent might not want representation in this film regarding the freman. Again, people on tiktok have said pauls story doesn't play into the white savior troupe, like yeah it doesn't inherently (SPOILERS) because his holy war is the downfall of the freman, but with the casting of Timothee as a white man, you can't blame people for thinking the story does. But to stop myself from yapping any further, I enjoyed the movies, still debating on if I want to read the books. Justice for Channi and dont let people gaslight you into thinking Dune isnt inherently an anti-colonial piece of literature ment to condemn the structual powers of global exploition of indigeounus and marginalized groups.
Overall it is another White Savior movie depiction. It could have been improved with more main character representation. Its easier to make money 💰 with the world audience through proven Hollywood methods of big sci Fi stories. It is supposed to represent colonial exploitation as Herbert intended in his books, so paul, jessica, harkon ens and emperor represent the West power obsession. At any cost power but in the end the book story purpose is supposed to be the saving of future humanity. Now the means to achieve this are very questionable and how can we trust the withches or paul then his kids...?
But I understood the point of the movie to be that we CAN'T trust Paul, the Bene Gesserit, or his children. I didn't see this as a white savior story just because Paul isn't really saving anybody. The opposite actually, he's leading them all to "paradise."