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  • @yds6268
    @yds6268 Před rokem +59

    This is crazy. I thought I saw all the interesting zeta identities, but this is the best one

    • @srijanbhowmick9570
      @srijanbhowmick9570 Před rokem +1

      Can you share the other interesting zeta identities that you have seen ?

  • @PotatoImaginator
    @PotatoImaginator Před rokem +76

    He always knows the good place to stop :)

    • @TheAmbientMage
      @TheAmbientMage Před rokem +4

      Best road trip copilot ever

    • @HagenvonEitzen
      @HagenvonEitzen Před rokem +1

      Well it's no tthat hard to tell - it alwys happens at the end of the video

    • @dhampson545
      @dhampson545 Před 11 měsíci +2

      He always stops at the end for some reason.....

  • @QuantumHistorian
    @QuantumHistorian Před rokem +23

    I love how at 10:00 he spent multiple lines rewriting the lemma to be as a sum over all integers (rather than all natural numbers as it already was), only to have to essentially undo all that manipulation again at 16:00.

  • @dicksonchang6647
    @dicksonchang6647 Před rokem +39

    12:18 there is typo on the last sum, it should be πa rather than π/a

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe Před rokem +1

      How do the pi^2’s in the denominators cancel out then from just a pi on top on the numerator?

    • @qzhong
      @qzhong Před rokem +2

      Because there's another pi outside the sum

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe Před rokem +1

      @@qzhong ah thank you!

    • @donach9
      @donach9 Před rokem

      Thanks, that was confusing me

  • @gerryiles3925
    @gerryiles3925 Před rokem +19

    At 12:26 the Pi/a outside the sum was correct but the ones inside the sum should have been Pi * a...

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe Před rokem

      How do the pi^2’s in the denominators cancel out then from just a pi on top on the numerator?

    • @gerryiles3925
      @gerryiles3925 Před rokem +1

      @@Happy_Abe The Pi's are still in the same places, it is the a's that move and will actually reduce to the necessary form...

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe Před rokem

      @@gerryiles3925 thank you!

  • @byronwatkins2565
    @byronwatkins2565 Před rokem +11

    At 12:35, z=pi a NOT pi/a in the sum.

  • @wesleydeng71
    @wesleydeng71 Před rokem +5

    @1:50 zeta(10) = (pi^10)/93555

  • @Nico2718_
    @Nico2718_ Před rokem +9

    So nice! I'm 19 and I just finished high school, I'm planning to go to university and study maths there, also because I miss some key knowledge since I went to a music oriented high school; but your explanations are so clear! I managed to understand almost everything, I only took some derivative things I didn't recall and everything regarding the hyperbolic functions (how you evaluate them and derive them) as given (and also the results of the zeta function at even integers, like I already knew the results had this form but I still don't know why), but besides that it was so clear, which is what makes you appreciate so much the end result! I love your videos, thanks!

  • @lexyeevee
    @lexyeevee Před rokem +6

    ah, yet another place where using π instead of τ obscures a beautiful pattern -
    ζ(2) = τ²/24 = ½ B₂ τ²/2!
    ζ(4) = τ²/1440 = -½ B₄ τ⁴/4!
    ζ(6) = τ²/60480 = ½ B₆ τ⁶/6!
    ζ(8) = τ²/2419200 = -½ B₈ τ⁸/8!
    where B_n are the Bernoulli numbers.

  • @megauser8512
    @megauser8512 Před rokem +5

    The non-alternative sum results in a similar solution:
    1/2 * ( coth(i) / i + 1 ), which reduces to 1/2 * ( 1 - cot(1) )

    • @krtschil
      @krtschil Před rokem

      Are you sure? 1/2*(1-coth(1)) is negative which is not possible. The limit must be positive

    • @krtschil
      @krtschil Před rokem

      According to Wolfram the numerical value is approximately 0.178954

    • @khoozu7802
      @khoozu7802 Před rokem

      ​@@krtschillook carefully he wrote cot(1) not coth(1) for final part

  • @gutentag1752
    @gutentag1752 Před rokem +19

    I wonder if you could also optain the same result using the Bernoulli numbers. ζ(2n) can be expressed in terms of these so there might be a way. Their generating function for t=2 would also nearly lead to the result in the video differing by a factor of just 2. Now I am quite tempted to try it out

    • @lexinwonderland5741
      @lexinwonderland5741 Před rokem +2

      please do, and let us know how it turns out!!

    • @noahtaul
      @noahtaul Před rokem

      I was wondering the same thing, that RHS looks very much like the result of a geometric series

  • @Radana95
    @Radana95 Před rokem +4

    The merge of sums at around 11:20 was really nice 👍🏻

  • @The1RandomFool
    @The1RandomFool Před rokem +1

    There is a closed form of even values of the Riemann zeta function, but it isn't easy to prove. I used complex analysis along with the Laurent series expansion of cotangent, which I've also proven using the generating function for Bernoulli numbers and complex numbers. So consequently, the closed form of the zeta function involves Bernoulli numbers. Putting it all together, the problem in this video could have been calculated from just the generating function of the Bernoulli numbers, as an alternative. The lemma in the video can also be proven with complex analysis.

  • @ClaraDeLemon
    @ClaraDeLemon Před rokem +9

    That cotangent identity is a classic complex analysis exercise: show these two functions have the same zeroes, and their difference is bounded (and holomorphic), so it is constant, and evaluated at zero it is also zero :p

    • @wynautvideos4263
      @wynautvideos4263 Před rokem +1

      Wow i always wanted to see a formal proof of why you can factor sin and sinh that way but if its really that simple thats beautiful

    • @chalkchalkson5639
      @chalkchalkson5639 Před rokem

      Isn't that a bit tricky since coth diverges at 0?

  • @Calcprof
    @Calcprof Před 10 měsíci

    Euler works out (I belive) up to ζ(20), and works out the recurrence in Introduction to the Analysis of the Infinities, available for free (in Latin) at the Euler Archive. There is so much computation that the latin is not hard to read, -- just follow the computation. There is also an english translation available from the usual sources.

  • @RandyKing314
    @RandyKing314 Před rokem +2

    “going around right now” yeah it’s a fad😆. seriously though, good discussion on the identity, Professor, thanks for the vid

  • @MrCreeper20k
    @MrCreeper20k Před rokem

    Out of college for one year at a job where I don't really use math. This channel keeps my passion for math alive! I can't wait until I get the whole work life balance thing right and I can start dedicating some time to learning math again.

  • @CM63_France
    @CM63_France Před rokem +1

    Hi,
    6:49 : multiplied by some constant, which is equal to 1, by doing z=0.

  • @emanuellandeholm5657
    @emanuellandeholm5657 Před rokem +4

    The power of pi over something breaks down for RiemannZeta(12).

    • @andrej8875
      @andrej8875 Před rokem

      It doesn't?

    • @emanuellandeholm5657
      @emanuellandeholm5657 Před rokem +1

      @@andrej8875 According to Wikipedia, this is where it happens

    • @RobsMiscellania
      @RobsMiscellania Před rokem +2

      @@emanuellandeholm5657 It is still a rational number multiplied by pi to the 12th power. In general that will always be the case for even exponents, as Euler showed. So it's true, in general the number Zeta(2s) will not have the form (1/n)*pi^(2s), where n is a natural number. But Zeta(2s) = (p/q)*pi^(2s) is in fact always true for p,q,s natural numbers.

    • @emanuellandeholm5657
      @emanuellandeholm5657 Před rokem +1

      @@RobsMiscellania I think Professor Penn meant that the pattern was 1/k times an even power of pi, which breaks down for 2n = 12. I could be wrong tho.

    • @RobsMiscellania
      @RobsMiscellania Před rokem

      @@emanuellandeholm5657 Yes, that pattern of even power of pi divided by a whole number breaks down for s=12. I don't believe there ever is an instance of it being true ever again for any even number 12 or greater. I can see how it might be misleading for someone who doesn't know the connection between Bernoulli numbers and the solution of the "generalized" Basel problem, where one might think that it truly is 1/k times the even power of pi.

  • @Handelsbilanzdefizit
    @Handelsbilanzdefizit Před rokem +1

    Of course, this sum is the inverse of: lim_n->∞ (sum_i^n exp(2i/n)2/n)
    And it explains why it works for even indices i.

  • @dragonmudd
    @dragonmudd Před rokem

    So excited to see some hyperbolic trig functions in your videos. More please!

  • @anon5976
    @anon5976 Před rokem +1

    Michael I don't know if you read these comments, it's fine if you don't. I just wanted to say that I'm so grateful for these videos and I have learned so many cool math tricks from you. Whenever I swap the order of summation or rewrite a geometric series using its closed form I feel like it's a micro homage to you. These videos are changing the world.

  • @user-ys3ev5sh3w
    @user-ys3ev5sh3w Před rokem

    Sum of Zeta(i) for i:=2 to n equals Sum of (a- 1/a^n)/(a-1) for a:=2 to infinity - zeta(0).
    Where
    1/a^n is sum of carry*(a-1) from n-th to infinity digit of (-a)-ary number system (i.e. a-ary number system with carry to m-th digit not a^(m-1) but 1/a^(m-1),
    a will be infinity of that number system,
    dividing by (a-1) is needed to receive carry in each of digits (from previose digit) , it will be numbers 1/a^m (m=0..n-1) in each of n digits)).
    (a - 1/a^n)/(a-1) = 1/a^0+1/a^1+..+1/a^n.
    For example.
    1/2^0+1/2^1=(2-1/2^1)/(2-1)=1+1/2;
    1/2^0+1/2^1+1/2^2=(2-1/2^2)/(2-1)=1+3/4;
    1/2^0+1/2^1+1/2^2+1/2^3=(2-1/2^3)/(2-1)=1+7/8;
    1/5^0+1/5^1+1/5^2+1/5^3=(1-1/5^3)/(5-1)=1+124/(125*4)=1+31/125;
    1/6^0+1/6^1+1/6^2+1/6^3=(1-1/6^3)/(6-1)=1+215/(216*5)=1+43/216;
    If to take difference between 2 cosequent Sum of Zeta(i) above then:
    Zeta(2) equals Sum of (a-1/a^2)/(a-1) for a:=2 to infinity- Zeta(0);
    Zeta(2) = 1/(2-1)-1/(2^2*(2-1))+1/(3-1)-1/(3^2*(3-1)) +1/(4-1)-1/(4^2*(4-1))+1/(5-1)-1/(5^2*(5-1)) +...;
    Zeta(2) = 1-1/4+1/2-1/18 +1/3-1/48+1/4-1/100 +...;
    Zeta(2) = Zeta(1)-1/4-1/18 -1/48-1/100 -1/180 -1/276
    Zeta(2)=Zeta(1)- Sum 1/(a^2*(a-1)) for a:=2 to infinity;
    Zeta(3)=Zeta(2)- Sum 1/(a^3*(a-1)) for a:=2 to infinity;
    Zeta(4)=Zeta(3)- Sum 1/(a^4*(a-1)) for a:=2 to infinity;
    Zeta(3) equals Sum of ((a-1/a^3) - (a-1/a^2))/(a-1) for a:=2 to infinity - Zeta(0);
    Zeta(4) equals Sum of ((a-1/a^4) - (a-1/a^3) + (a-1/a^2))/(a-1) for a:=2 to infinity - Zeta(0);
    Zeta(5) equals Sum of ((a-1/a^5) - (a-1/a^4) + (a-1/a^3) - (a-1/a^2))/(a-1) for a:=2 to infinity - Zeta(0).
    Sum of Zeta(i) for i:=2 to infinity equals Sum of (all ones row)*(it's a-convolution(take 1/(element of Pascal matrix))* (all ones column) for a:=2 to infinity.
    (1 1 1 ...)*
    (
    1 =2^0 -> 1/2^0
    1 1 =2^1 -> 1/2^1
    1 2 1 =2^2 -> 1/2^2
    1 3 3 1 =2^3 -> 1/2^3
    ...
    )
    *(1 1 1 ..)^T =2/1=1+1/1
    +
    (1 1 1 ...)*
    (
    1 =3^0 -> 1/3^0
    1 1 1 =3^1 -> 1/3^1
    1 2 3 2 1 =3^2 -> 1/3^2
    1 3 6 7 6 3 1 =3^3 -> 1/3^3
    ...
    )
    *(1 1 1 ..)^T =3/2=1+1/2
    +
    (1 1 1 ...)*
    (
    1 =4^0 -> 1/4^0
    1 1 1 1 =4^1 -> 1/4^1
    1 2 3 4 3 2 1 =4^2 -> 1/4^2
    1 3 6 10 12 12 10 6 3 1 =4^3 -> 1/4^3
    ...
    )
    *(1 1 1 ..)^T =4/3=1+1/3
    +
    (1 1 1 ...)*
    (
    1 =5^0 -> 1/5^0
    1 1 1 1 1 =5^1 -> 1/5^1
    1 2 3 4 5 4 3 2 1 =5^2 -> 1/5^2
    1 3 6 10 15 18 19 18 15 10 6 3 1 =5^3 -> 1/5^3
    ...
    )
    *(1 1 1 ..)^T =5/4=1+1/4
    +
    (1 1 1 ...)*
    (
    1 =6^0 -> 1/6^0
    1 1 1 1 1 1 =6^1 -> 1/6^1
    1 2 3 4 5 6 5 4 3 2 1 =6^2 -> 1/6^2
    1 3 6 10 15 21 25 27 27 25 21 15 10 6 3 1 =6^3 -> 1/6^3
    ...
    )
    *(1 1 1 ..)^T =6/5=1+1/5
    +
    S(a)=
    sphere * uncurving of a-sphere with taking zeroinfinity inversion * sphere^T= a/(a-1)=1+1/(a-1)
    +
    .....................
    = zeta(1)+zeta(0).
    So we can define zeroinfinity inversion following way:
    I(a)=S(a+1)-1;
    I(b)=S(b+1)-1;
    I('+')= sum of indexes of above sequence.
    For example "a+b=c" became "I(a) I('+') I(b) = I(c)".
    "2+3=5" became "1/2 I('+') 1/3=1/5 (ie 5-th member of above sequence - 1).
    a/n + b/n = 2-convolution (a b) * (n n) / n^2 =(a*n+n*b)/n^2.
    a/n + b/n + c/n= 3-convolution (a b c) * (n n n) / n^3 =(a*n*n*n+n*n*b+c*n*n)/n^3.
    a/c + b/d = 2--convolution (a b)*(c d)/c*d.
    a/c + b/d + f/g = 3-convolution (a b f)*(c d g)/c*d*g.
    So division operator A/B is n-convolution A*B and after that applying zeroinfinity inversion multiplying by 1/convolution B*B. So inversion of + is convolution.

  • @tomholroyd7519
    @tomholroyd7519 Před rokem

    11:31 that's a nice capital sigma

  • @ForcesOfOdin
    @ForcesOfOdin Před rokem

    Lots of cool techniques here. I love the conversion of m=1 to infinity to m over all Z by splitting in half, using the squares to exchange the second half with negative indices, and then adding in the 0. And in the end we get something like a crazy new definition of e😁

  • @GeoffryGifari
    @GeoffryGifari Před rokem +1

    that lemma we use reminds me of the integration formula ∫ 1/(x^2 + a^2) dx

  • @jordanrutledge7943
    @jordanrutledge7943 Před rokem +2

    I looked it up and apparently the numerator of the rational number for zeta(10) is still 1, it’s 1/93555, but zeta(12) it finally breaks the pattern 691/638512875

  • @hydra147147
    @hydra147147 Před rokem

    Using Taylor series of cotangent gives equivalen proof: x*cot(x)=1-2x^2/pi^2*zeta(2)-2x^4/pi^4*zeta(4)-2x^6/pi^6*zeta(6)-..., so substituting x=1 and x=I respectively we get the same identities

  • @chahn987
    @chahn987 Před rokem

    Didn't know about the Weierstrass product until googling it after it was mentioned. Was actually playing around with an alternative expansion of sine not long ago by using the roots and plotted and ended up looking pretty close to sine a couple weeks ago after using a normalization factor. Didn't know this actually had a name

  • @Noam_.Menashe
    @Noam_.Menashe Před rokem +8

    Another way to get the coth sum is by using imaginary values in the digamma function.

  • @Anonymous-zp4hb
    @Anonymous-zp4hb Před rokem

    Beautiful. Great when I can follow along with little knowledge.
    And like you said, it's only the equating sinh(z)/z to that infinite product that wasn't fully justified in the video.
    But I've seen a similar breakdown of the sin function in a simplified solution to, funnily enough, the Basel problem.

  • @jacksonstarky8288
    @jacksonstarky8288 Před rokem +8

    I'd love to see a video about the general formula for zeta(2n).

    • @veselindimov307
      @veselindimov307 Před rokem +3

      As far as I remember it's related to Bernoulli's numbers in some sense and it's quite a long topic of its own. But I think Mathologer had done a great video about it. Maybe try to search it.

  • @jacksonstarky8288
    @jacksonstarky8288 Před rokem

    Another interesting topic would be the connection between gamma (the Euler-Mascheroni constant) and the zeta function... just because any math that connects pi, e, and gamma is beautiful and a possible starting point for the eventual proof of the irrationality and transcendence of gamma.

  • @General12th
    @General12th Před rokem

    Hi Dr. Penn!
    Very cool!

  • @edmundwoolliams1240
    @edmundwoolliams1240 Před měsícem

    CZcams's trending function!

  • @wyattstevens8574
    @wyattstevens8574 Před 4 měsíci

    If this isn't the exact value, it's very close: the reciprocal of the alternating sum is at least *close* to 0.8 above that of the absolute sum. If the thumbnail's anything to go by, that is. Even with just these 4 terms, it's already very close!

  • @tiltltt
    @tiltltt Před rokem +3

    what a quirky function, I wonder if there are any famous hypothesis that use it

    • @stewartzayat7526
      @stewartzayat7526 Před rokem +1

      Certainly not. I can't imagine this function being important in any way

    • @HagenvonEitzen
      @HagenvonEitzen Před rokem

      @@stewartzayat7526 Certainly not when it is only defined for Re(s)>1 :)

  • @iamrepairmanman
    @iamrepairmanman Před rokem +1

    12:42 you accidentally replaced z with pi/a instead of pi*a

  • @user-ht9bi9nw8v
    @user-ht9bi9nw8v Před rokem

    1. Déterminer les racines carrées du nombre complexe 33+56i
    2. Soient x et y deux reels tels que
    33x-56y=x/x”2+y”2
    Et
    56x+33y=-y/x”2+y”2
    Donner la valeur de |x|+|y|
    “2=squard

    • @user-ht9bi9nw8v
      @user-ht9bi9nw8v Před rokem

      Help

    • @timmaths
      @timmaths Před rokem

      Je ne pense pas que écrire un commentaire en français sur une vidéo en anglais soit très utile, mais voici une réponse.
      1) 7+4i et -7-4i

  • @conrad5342
    @conrad5342 Před 11 měsíci

    At some point in time one has been surprised of pi, i and e combining as e^(i pi) = -1 ....
    Zeta funktion: Hold my beer.

  • @vasilismisoulis1833
    @vasilismisoulis1833 Před rokem

    He has a typing error at 12:30 but the video is amazing

  • @Jack_Callcott_AU
    @Jack_Callcott_AU Před rokem

    In the infinite series that Michael investigates the division by Π^(2n) makes the expression a rational number, as he said. Those rational numbers are related to the Bernoulli numbers. Michael should do a video on Bernoulli numbers.

  • @purplerpenguin
    @purplerpenguin Před 2 měsíci

    I'm sure I'm missing something really obvious here, but why is a function equal to the infinite product of its zeros? I was expecting some other, multiplicative, factor.

  • @ZipplyZane
    @ZipplyZane Před rokem

    This is twice today that I'm seeing summation notation written differently. Here you just specify that the index is all rational numbers, rather than starting at -inf and going to +inf.
    And earlier I saw someone write n≥0 as the index instead of having n=0 on bottom and infinity on the top.

  • @patrickhickey7673
    @patrickhickey7673 Před rokem

    Wow, that’s a really nice identity!

  • @jaimeduncan6167
    @jaimeduncan6167 Před rokem

    The patterns break for 12, not 10, according to mathematica.

  • @Jack_Callcott_AU
    @Jack_Callcott_AU Před rokem

    Michael's lemma could probably produce something interesting if you set x = a and integrate both sides.

  • @tokajileo5928
    @tokajileo5928 Před rokem +1

    what if you put odd numbers into the series instead of even?

    • @timmaths
      @timmaths Před rokem

      Zeta of 2n gives nice answers with (smth)*pi^2n. Zeta of 2n+1 doesn't have nice values. Just for a start, Zeta(3) is irrational, and at least one of Zeta(5), Zeta(7), Zeta(9) and Zeta(11) is also irrational. We haven't found nice ways of expressing the values, so good luck calculating things with Zeta(2n+1)

  • @tien-chunghu3615
    @tien-chunghu3615 Před rokem +1

    Can one get the Zeta(2) through the Lemma (Coth(pia identity) by taking a approaching to 0 ?

  • @user-ue7ib6rc4m
    @user-ue7ib6rc4m Před 10 měsíci

    תודה!

  • @nasim09021975
    @nasim09021975 Před rokem

    Well, I have never heard of of anyone vocalize mˢ as "m to the s" 😅
    Hmmm🤔
    Generally , it has always been (well, almost always) either "m to the sᵗʰ power" or "m to the power s"

  • @spaceface2918
    @spaceface2918 Před rokem

    I'm kinda confused and haven't gotten much into the zeta function... but didn't you say that the zeta functions nice expression of pi to the s over some number breaks down after 10 or so. But here we are making an expression that is treating the reducibility of the expression as reciprocating by 2n over pi to the 2n? Since you are assuming over infinity doesn't that not work when n>=5? I'm sorry if this is incorrect in some obvious way, but I'm not quite tracking. Is this only a form of continuation of an approximate function or something?

  • @GeoffryGifari
    @GeoffryGifari Před rokem +1

    guys, is there anything interesting about this one:
    if we have a ratio of riemann zeta function between successive even numbers
    ζ(2n)/ζ(2n+2) = Constant × 1/π^2 (result from the video)
    if we take the limit as n goes to ∞,
    does the ratio converge to something?

    • @rsrudhro9664
      @rsrudhro9664 Před rokem +1

      WolframAlpha says it converges to 1, which kind of makes sense, as n -> infinity zeta(2n) is roughly equally to zeta(2n+2)

    • @GeoffryGifari
      @GeoffryGifari Před rokem +1

      @@rsrudhro9664 converges to one? so as long as the zeta function of an even argument has the form of rational number × π^2 ,
      the "Constant" term in the ratio
      ζ(2n)/ζ(2n+2) = Constant × 1/π^2
      will end up approaching π^2?
      that's pretty cool. didn't see that one coming

  • @maxfriis
    @maxfriis Před rokem

    Damn - he is lucky :P

  • @GreenMeansGOF
    @GreenMeansGOF Před rokem +1

    12:46 I don’t understand. The summand simplifies to
    1/(1+(ak)^2).
    How does that reindex to
    1/(m^2+a^2)?

  • @CTJ2619
    @CTJ2619 Před rokem

    Wow nice video

  • @gashtag9483
    @gashtag9483 Před rokem

    Cool

  • @szymonraczkowski9690
    @szymonraczkowski9690 Před rokem

    cool

  • @sinus_hiphop
    @sinus_hiphop Před rokem

    damn! 8)

  • @bugzbunny109
    @bugzbunny109 Před rokem

    fist

  • @Aditya_196
    @Aditya_196 Před 4 měsíci

    🫠 despite knowing nothing I don't know why I watched this for 5 minutes

  • @shanathered5910
    @shanathered5910 Před rokem

    cool