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The DAGGER & SHIELD warrior is awesome! - Dragon Age Origins
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- čas přidán 1. 12. 2022
- Using daggers as a weapon and shield warrior in Dragon Age Origins might sound ridiculous at first, but don't let that fool you. Daggers are the ultimate weapons of the best tanks in the game. They can also help you achieve peak damage, which is certainly helpful when you go against bosses and elite bosses solo!
The dagger and shield warrior is simply awesome at everything it's supposed to do.
... I didn't realize that standing between the columns during the Cauthrien prevents the crossbowmen from firing their scattershots. Lord knows, that high defense builds can only be damaged by them in this fight.
Yup, only by their Scattershot though, since that is an auto-hit skill, just like the Ogre's Ram or the Golem's Slam.
Alistair: "Are you sure you don't want a real weapon?"
Warden: "I have a real weapon!"
I beat Golems of Amgarrak today for the first time and it was easy cause of the videos you made! Thank you!
That's great! :)
Currently going through DAO with an all-warrior team.. Dagger & Shield, Two Handed, Dual Wield & Archer.. And am loving it! Thanks for the inspiration n guide, planning to go for an all rogue or mage gameplay once finished 😊
Glad to hear it! :)
Sadly you can't go for all mage or rogue team because you are lacking one member. But I guess you can always bring the dog.
@@AKisHerceg Yup guess Dog will have to do.. Unless there's a mod somewhere out there which can make Dog cast spells or go into stealth mode😁
You should make a legionnaire/centurion build with this, since the "daggers" in this game are more like shortswords than actual daggers. One big ass shield and a gladius.
Yes! I always give a dagger/shield combo to Alistair. You really notice the speed damage advantage with Flaming Weapons up. And there are some really useful daggers available all game like The Edge, Dead Thaig Shanker, and the Rose's Thorn.
Just started a new play through with a warrior city elf and can’t wait to try this
Interesting strategy, im gonna try it with Alistair on my next run
Dagger-Shield Duelist-Assassin STR-DEX Rogue is also good. Not as fast as dual wielding, but have more defense, although just doing auto-attacks. It is for "Established Rogue" achievement seeker (not relevant today tough)
In Shield and Weapon class the main focus is defense and dodging and basically draw enemy attention so that Leliana and Zevran can do some good old backstabbing series while Dual Wielding warrior is more focused on dealing damage quick and swiftly. But dagger and shield I never thought about 😅
inspiring as always.. gonna try this with Sten
Years ago I gave my female Surana a dagger and shield and she did pretty well as an Arcane Warrior with those weapons, even without high dex. I had wondered about a warrior or rogue using them, but never got around to trying it.
Wow, that is EXACTLY what I was searching for! I only ever played through Origins as rogues and now I wanted to play as a warrior for once. Not a big fan of two-handed (wouldn't really fit my character) but I also didn't want to make my character a plain tank. This build just might let me have a cake and eat it too. Thank you.
finally, a guide that will allow me to become something like Naofumi Iwatani from "rising of the shield hero"
I used similar method but on a 2 h tank. Stacked str t 42 for armor req and the rest in defense. Second run to try to beat the harvester.... Skeletons were still a nightmare. Dodging is really your lord and saviour
Cause I have seen your videos and I really love what you do. I even built some characters based on them. But I have to wonder. Is it really the class build or the 65 poison buffs? Or are the weapon buffs just because you're showing the class solo and need the extra damage? Genuinely curious!
I usually show the maximum damage output with any build I make(this can only be achieved if you use poisons). You can use poisons if you want, but during normal gameplay, I don't really use poisons. Just during the demonstartion.
Poisons give around 30 additional damage, minus enemy resistance to elemental damage(poisons mostly deal nature damage and almost every single enemy has nature res), so poisons alone are not gonna win me any fights. :)
@@AKisHerceg Thanks for the clarification! It's always bothered me from a lot of guides that use poisons so I always thought they were absolutely needed.
dagger and shield I never thought about
Early gane dagger I like is the edge dlc with 2 GM lightning runes from Bohdan
Cool idea, thanks! I was wondering about the strength modifier of shields (it is 1 for all the shields in game, it seems). Do you know whether it is just some redundant number or it actually affects something?
I should give this a try
Clever!
looking at trying this build out on alistair, i see champion and berserker are the two specs you chose, which would you swap for templar?
The Berserker I guess since it is supposed to be a tank so I think he would do great with the Champ. :)
In your personal opinion, A Kis Herceg, which is the better shield: Eamon’s shield or Harvard’s Aegis?
Eamon’s shield is better. But if you want to go for a max magic res Templar I would say get the other one if your mag res is not maxed. :)
Dagger and shield a very cursed build
I've see Perfect Striking in hotbar. Do you even use it? Because I can't force myself as it seems a bad idea when maxing dps/attack attributes
Definitely, when I'm using auto-attacks. It is especially useful when you are being "War Cried" or under the effects of Weakness Aura or Miasma. Fighting Gaxkang without it for example(when he puts up both Weakness Aura and Miasma) is pretty annoying.
So basically, an unhittable tank that also deals great damage, seems kinda op lmaoo
Have you tought about going Reaver instead of Berserk because of blood thirst? The more health gets drained, the more damage you should perform right?
Yup, I thought about it. It is definitely viable with a Reaver as well. Devour is actually the best if you plan to have Blood Thirst running all the time and you don't want to use healing poultices.
Reaver adds 1 damage for 10% lost HP, while berserk adds 8 no matter what. So, to achieve berserk level you need to be at 20% health constantly, not to mention that upkeep of reavers ability is 60 vs 20 of berserker. B - balance
@@Elite_Tauren_Chieftain damn, that sucks, however it has the cc ability to kinda compensate it, which doesnt matter if youre gonna dodge everything lol
@@CaesarCJ15 yes, frightening appearance is good. But because of bug it doesn’t provide any aggression (taunt) bonuses, despite that it says so. However, you can install mods or unofficial to fix this, so reaver can become good tank spec - first two abilities are good for tanks
This is my alistair build :D
I may have missed it, but what sustain abilities do you use, if any? Or do you use them based on situation?
Depends. If I go against enemies who can knock me down, I use Shield Wall. If I go against enemies with high attack I use Shield Defense. Precise Striking is always on, same with Rally. I also use Threaten most of the time.
Two Handed Warriors are still stronger, especially on consoles, where you can easily get enough Stamina Regeneration to keep Beyond the Veil active at all times. Displacement is better than Defense imo. The only problem is that on PC, you need Cailan's Arms and Armor to offset the stamina drain of Beyond the Veil, which railroads you into being Sword and Shield.
And Beyond the Veil is not in Origins. It’s only in Awakening.
@AKisHerceg That's true. But two handers are also immune to stun. Being stunned sucks, as I'm sure you are aware. Iirc being stunned reduces your defense bonus from Dexterity to 0.
@@AvengerAtIlipa No argument there. It does suck. You can reduce its duration with high physical and mental res, but two-handers are the only characters who can resist stun with Indomitable in Origins. In Awakeing every warrior can be immune to stun, knockdown and slip effects with Beyond the Veil. Which puts the Two-Handers at a disadvantage(Indomitable becomes a waste of stamina). The only reason why double weapon warriors are not painfully op in Origins is because they can be knocked down and stunned. In Awakening they are hilariously op, because Beyond the Veil eliminates both.
More than anything, i really want to find a way to make a mage archer work. Do you have suggestions or builds for that? I was thinking a focus on healing and debuffs but you seem to have a much deeper knowledge for the game than me XD
An Arcane Archer can actually be the perfect tank. It can reach extremely high armor and unmatchable defense(the highest possible in the entire game). With Blood Magic, you can also draw an insane amount of aggro with Blood Wound.
It can also deal as much damage as a normal archer would plus you can have some nice buff for the team. So kind of like a hybrid between a tank, a support, and a crowd control character.
I plan to make a video about it eventually. :)
@@AKisHerceg Thanks for the response! Looking forward to seeing it :)
Me too! I started a a dalish arcane warrior character with the idea that they pretended to be a warrior, and I fell in love with using a bow instead of a staff. Playing as an archer support mage seems like it could work.
I’m curious, if you had to pick your own canon i guess you’d call it, what would be your definitive class pick for each of the three games? great video once again btw
It would be a two-handed warrior. :)
@@AKisHerceg it’s been a while since i’ve played any of the three, looking to start a new run through of all 3. i seem to remember 2H being monstrous in da2, fenris and carver were machines
@@AKisHerceg have you got any build guides on your channel for a 2H warrior for origins? cant seem to find any
@@typarkin2413 I just uploaded one two days ago. :)
It is by far the strongest two-handed damager warrior build I made.
Can I use this build for all dragon age series?
Sadly, no. You can't equip daggers as a warrior in DA2 or Inquisition.
Do you have a any tips or a build for a 2h tank? It's my favoutite role to play in DA2 but I've never managed to make it work in DAO.
Up Dex every third or so level, then combine with Legion of the Dead or Ancient Elven. Dwarf and Human are optimal.
Hi! I cannot seem to find the items to equip the strength 38 chestpieces.
Your starting strength is 25.
Helm of Honnleith +2, key to the city +2, harvest festival ring +2, effort gloves (maybe?) +1, andruil's blessing (maybe?) +2.
That is 25+9=34, still short of 4 points.
This also means that you cannot equip heavy armor until you finish both the circle tower (andruil's blessing) and Orzammar (key to the city, effort gloves). That is, until about half of the game.
Do you have a better +strength loadout to what I found?
Also, what do you think of investing higher strength? Say, 30 instead of 25?
Or using a strength 20 armor (ie. shadow of the empire or Leliana's armor from the DLC)
Thanks for the video though, interesting build as always!
Shadow of the Empire gives +2 STR(only requires 20 STR) and the Reaper's Cudgel(requires 32 STR) gives +4 STR. Together they can temporary boost your STR by 6 which is more than enough to equip any heavy armor.
Anduril's Blessing does not require you to complete the Circle questline. You can just get it and leave. Same with Orzammar. Just enter Orzammar and get all the scraps. Talk to Dulin, to have the proving door open(you don't have to commit to Harrowmont, just agree to fight for him).
Helm of Honleath +2, Key to the City +2, Anduril's Blessing +2, Harvest Festival Ring +2. 25+8=33. Plus the Reaper's Cudgel with +4 and Shadow of the Empire with +2 so that is 39. This is if you want to min/max. Would you lose much if you would invest 2 or 3 points more into STR so that you don't have to mess around with this? Not really, but I want to show the build at its absolute best. :)
@@AKisHerceg Hm, I forgot about the Reaper's Cudgel, I always sell in early in the game. I think I will check this out, but with a bit higher strength. Looks fun. Dragon Age daggers are normal sword length anyway :)
which dagger is the bst for this build ? duncan dagger maybe ? for +4 Dex ?
That’s good, but the Rose’s Thorn is pretty much always the best when it comes to daggers.
Btw. Forgot. Remember the 2 h assassin build you made I had an idea for a follow up video. An only 1h weapon run warrior. Because here you used dagger don't know which weapon would be best for that run or spec to survive with a team.
So you are only using warrior and spec talents
I so plan to make a Riordan-like Longsword based character eventually. :)
@@AKisHerceg probably the least enjoyable "diffrent" build :D
@@adrianblania5565 It would be extremely similar to the two-handed rogue, actually. It would definitely be a backstab monster. :)
@@AKisHerceg so you planing a rouge with a 1h weapon? Not a warrior ???
@@adrianblania5565 definitely a rogue! Backstabs can be fun with that build, but a warrior would be very boring, since they can't backstab and they have no active skills other than Taunt, Disengage and Perfect Striking if they only use one sword. Plus the skills from specializations, but they don't save the build.
A rogue can deal massive backstab damage, and use Dirty Fighting, Below the Belt, Deadly Strike and Stealth plus the specialization skills.
Welp, guess I'm reinstalling dragon again.
Interesting! I'm really enjoying all your videos esp. your one on Cunning vs Strength 2h Rogue!
I've been actually thinking about starting a 2h Warrior tank but this seems like it might fit the bill better; would you say this is tankier and/or more dps than a 2h Warrior tank?
Not more dps, but definitely tankier! Enemies can barely hit it, whereas the 2h warrior, is literally a sitting duck. Cauthrien can cut a 2h warrior in half with 3 hits - which is super easy with her high attack and the 2h warrior's low defense. She can't even hit this one once.
I have a question. If I were to build this from the ground up, what are my attribute and skill priorities?
@@sauce2514 At the beginning start it as a normal weapon and shield character. You will need a total of 38 str for the equipment and some of the talents, so feel free to boost str first. Once you have around 30 str, and you unlocked most of the w&s talents, start boosting dex and switch to a dagger once your dex is high enough.
@AKisHerceg Oh, is that so? Should I also focus on the tanking skills first or the damaging ones? Also, which specialisation do you recommend choosing first? Thanks for replying, BTW.
@@sauce2514 Well, getting to Shield Wall is pretty ideal, but get Shield Bash and Shield Pummel first, because they will help you out a lot at the beginning.
I would pick the Champion first, since War Cry can be amazing for survivability with its -10 attack penalty on enemies for 20 sec. That penalty is massive at level 7 because enemies will have around 60-80 attack at most. At level 12 Rally gives +10 defense to you and the team further increasing survivability(it also flushes enemies out of stealth).
@@AKisHerceg I see, then I'll do just that. Thanks, man!
@@AKisHerceg Sorry, I'd hate to bother you again but do you think it would be a good idea to use the battledress of the provocateur as the armor for this build? Or should I just stick to heavy armor?
What did you use to get your other stats up so high
I used equipment to reach the strength requirement of my armor(placed just enough on str to reach 26 with the fade fonts included), then I switched the equipment to the one I'm wearing. Plus one point on Cunning, because as a dwarf you need 1 point to reach 16 with the fade fonts(they give you +5) if you want to unlock master coercion. The rest went on dex.
Here is my equipment list:
Evon the Great Mail
Lifegiver ring
Key to the City
Maneuvering Belt
Heavy Armor Gloves and boots
Helm of Honnleath
Spellward/High Regard of House Dace
Aeducan Shield
Rose's Thorn
To reach the required STR for the armor, I used Key to the Ctiy(2), Andruil's Blessing(2), Helm of Honnleath(2), Harvest Festival Ring(2) and the Reaper's Cudgel(4). The last can be switched later to the Dawn Ring(4) so you can sell the item. Evon the Great's Mail requires 38 str, I had 26 on my str, so 12+26=38.
@@AKisHerceg thank you
Since 'Daggers' are closer in size to a Shortsword, you're basically playing as an ancient Greek or Roman soldier!
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Damn how much help with just the 100 poisons tho?
They raise your dps substantially against humans. Against most enemies, they are a bit less useful since they have high nature resistance and most of the poisons deal nature damage.
how do i spend max str ?
Just place enough on str to reach 26 with the essence fonts in the fade. So your str should be 21+5 from fade fonts.
Hm... And what about shield-only warrior? Is it possible/theoretically fun?
Shield and no weapon? It is possible, but I would not do it. Seems unfun. :)
Would this not work for a arcane warrior/ spirit mage too if you invest abit in dex or dex gear then it would be similar
It would, and it is a fun build. :)
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I honestly don´t get how you are soloing on nightmare?! Im trying this build WITH 3 AI companions on normal and still i get one shotted by some mobs. I really don´t get it. Can you explain the early game a bit? I have put all my points into Dex and i have the highest tier armor and weapon i can use and still the damage i take is stupid high =)
The highest tier armor? If you placed all your points on dex how can you equip the highest tier armor? Even I used heavy armor instead of massive because you can’t wear massive armor unless you invest into strength. Especially at early game. At early game you should wear some decent steel heavy armor which you can loot from the bandit leader from Lothering. You absolutely have to keep your investment into strength to a minimum if you want this build to work.