Yamaha SPX90: The Secret To An 'MBV’ Shoegaze Reverb Sound

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  • čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
  • Have you ever wondered what gives Kevin Shields from 'My Bloody Valentine' his huge sweeping reverse reverb guitar sounds? Well I think I might have found the answer and it's in the Yamaha SPX90.
    Forget the 'Fender Blender', this old 1980's rack unit is at the forefront of the 'mbv' sound. In todays video we're going to look at the spx90 and see if we can get something close to the sounds of Mr Shields. I hope you enjoy it!
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Komentáře • 104

  • @r0bophonic
    @r0bophonic Před rokem +40

    I’ve never clicked on a video title faster

  • @frjamesbozeman5375
    @frjamesbozeman5375 Před měsícem +5

    File this one under: “Gear I used to own and then sold when it was no longer useful, but then became cool and super useful 20 years later.”

  • @danec1384
    @danec1384 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Hey, I was the one who wrote that comment with the reverse gate settings. I set mine to that and haven't changed it since then! Great video!
    The reverse gate used to be such a mystery because a lot of people dismissed the SPX90s and a lot of 80s/90s rack gear because it was "old", but now rack is back!

  • @blpaul3
    @blpaul3 Před rokem +15

    Your channel is helping me get new and better sounds from the gear I currently own. Experimentation in the last few weeks has yielded positive results! Thank you! Cheers!

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem +1

      That’s a really lovely comment. So glad it’s been helping you make some great noises! 🤘

  • @vvessel_
    @vvessel_ Před 6 měsíci +2

    One thing you can't fake with gear is great arrangements, and MBV's guitar arrangements are a very important aspect of what makes it sound so good. Now I do want an SPx90 tho....

  • @MB-uz2zu
    @MB-uz2zu Před 4 měsíci

    The Yamaha SPX90 has a surprising amount of warmth to it. Love seeing what everyone is doing with theirs. Great video

  • @CatharticGuitar
    @CatharticGuitar Před 22 dny

    Wow. I love the idea of shoegaze and have been trying to appreciate it by listening to MBV, but haven’t been feeling it. That song you’re doing in this video seems way better. I would download it if I can.

  • @michelvondenhoff9673
    @michelvondenhoff9673 Před rokem +12

    Those Roland,Lexicon and Yamaha rack modules...they still look (and sound) the part.
    Skinny Puppy used a Lexicon delay with a pitch control. With long delay times it became almost a sampler.
    Another band with great fx and sound is Cocteau Twins. To me a precurser to Shoegaze...
    The album Treasure and song (from Garlands) Wax & Wane are epic!
    Enjoy your new toy!

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem

      They’re awesome aren’t they! I love the look of the lexicon units too!
      I haven’t listened to skinny puppy despite hearing the name, I’ll have to check them out!
      Ahh yeah I love Cocteau Twins, what an awesome band!

  • @djcommie
    @djcommie Před měsícem

    Bought one (and your mentioned MIDIVerb II for the #45&49 Bloom reverse gated reverb) for a client wanting the MBV sound and this video is amazingly informative and helpful, thanks!

  • @sirtyn
    @sirtyn Před měsícem

    ive been getting really into the idea of switching over to preamps and rack mount effects and this is definitely one I am going to look at.

  • @David_prod-eNGee
    @David_prod-eNGee Před dnem

    Saw an interview with Kevin where he said people always thought he uses reverb, but doesn't, and the effects are actually quite minimal, and thought maybe people perception of reverb and effects just comes from the overall sound/sonic makeup of the music.

  • @arcseconds_
    @arcseconds_ Před rokem +3

    Great video. I've been obsessed with MBV for years, but have just recently tried to recreate Kevin's sound - specifically "Soon" and "To Here Knows When." I've been through lots of setups, but the closest I've gotten thus far is with the EHX Stereo Memory Man w/Hazarai and an op-amp (op-amp for more mids/saturation) fuzz pedal - in my case the MAE Black Math. The SMMH has a setting that recreates the early reflections preset on the SPX90. I love reverse reverb into dirt (the shoegaze default), but I've had better results getting the MBV sound with dirt into early reflections. Anyway, I ran the fuzz into the SMMH, strummed while using the trem bar and holy shit, I was 90% there. You'll never be 100% because Kevin is a God among mere mortals. Long story short, if you can't find an SPX90 for a decent price or don't want to worry about it dying on you next year, pick up a SMMH. There are a few videos on CZcams that cover the SMMH settings to get this sound.

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem +1

      Ahh that’s awesome. I’ll have a look into getting one!! I agree re: the signal chain. I can never get it to sound as good if I go reverb into dirt.

  • @kenichi407
    @kenichi407 Před rokem +4

    surprised this got the spotlight before the quadraverb, which is what i would have initially thought of as the quintessential shoegazer rack reverb in the same category (not super expensive, loved by all)

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před 11 měsíci

      Fair!! I don’t actually know that piece of kit. I’ll check it out!

    • @qu4zz4r
      @qu4zz4r Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​​@@thesethingsmakenoisesc'mon, you definitely should. It's the sound of Storm in heaven by The Verve

    • @kenichi407
      @kenichi407 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@thesethingsmakenoises 90's shoegaze guitar = alesis quadraverb... it's written in the shoegaze bible

    • @Hastur876
      @Hastur876 Před 5 měsíci

      The Microverb III was perfect for the first-EPs Slowdive guitar sound (Golden Hair, etc).

  • @thegreatdestroyer6506
    @thegreatdestroyer6506 Před rokem +4

    Great video! One question, though. Did Kevin always distort first and then went into the Reverb unit? Because I heard somewhere, that he also used Reverb in front of the distortion, which sounds even more washy and nebulous. Ever tried that with the SPX90?

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem +2

      Thanks! Yeah I think you’re right. I believe a lot of it was just cranking up drive on the Marshalls etc. I’ve tried putting my reverb first but never quite managed to nail that sound. Maybe time for some more experimenting

    • @jasonkileen406
      @jasonkileen406 Před 7 měsíci +1

      He basically put the reverb first and cranked up the Marshall to 10 but clean. Then would basically reamp that through a cranked gained out Marshall to 10

  • @joonasn
    @joonasn Před 5 měsíci

    Pretty cool! I recently bought a twenty year old TC Electronic M-One XL for my ambient-ish/looping/lofi guitar rig mainly for the reverbs, which are VERY good. No reverse gate though, I don't think. But VERY massive reverbs, it basically has two engines so you can lay two different reverbs/delays/modulation on top of one another. Highly recommended, these can be had for a hundred bucks or even less.

  • @matrix12x
    @matrix12x Před rokem +2

    Very cool video. I have a Yamaha Rev 7 and it has the same/similar reverse gate reverb. sounds great. Another way you can play with this is to capture this reverb as an impulse response (IR) and use it in a IR plugin as a reverb.

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem +1

      Thanks! Ooo awesome, that’s a great shout. I was thinking of doing some video comparisons with some reverb plugins too actually at some point

    • @matrix12x
      @matrix12x Před rokem

      @@thesethingsmakenoises These older Yamaha reverb units have a nice "grit" and character to them and sound great. I think the closest I've found is Valhalla's Vintage verb plugin (which has some really nice flexibility and algorithms).

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem

      Yeah you’re right, it’s almost like when you drive them you get a cool breakup that eventhough it’s digital and not analog it sounds different but awesome.

  • @youngandrew66
    @youngandrew66 Před 10 měsíci +1

    In my band big white stairs (early 90s) i used lots of floor pedals into an ibanez rack echo with the feedback set as high as possible , got the idea from kitchens of distinction a manchester band with unreal keyboardy guitar sounds (check out ' first time we opened the capsule')

  • @mycawild
    @mycawild Před rokem +3

    This video was so cool and it's nice to see more secrets on Kevin Shields tone ♥

  • @Timferrari-ui8mu
    @Timferrari-ui8mu Před 9 měsíci +1

    Back in the 80's after the analogue era....l purchased a Rex 50....fx 500....then on to the spx 50 and so on.....The Reverbs are fantastic on the Yamaha digital equipment.....
    One can simply use one of the factory pre sets....But, if you really want to get into it deeper.....Simply use a "User" # and start experimenting into the variant parameters.....Then you can customise some awesome original fx sounds....It's very tine consuming But , it's worth it and you educate yourself along the journey of how to competently use the device and if in doubt use the manual.
    Back in the day most bug bands playing Live had their sound/ mixer person that was using a Yamaha spx rack mount as the industry standard and the beauty of them is.... They can be utilised for many different Audio applications...Not just for guitar.
    Cheers 🍻.

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Ahh I didn’t realise you could do that. Will have a go in the studio! Thanks so much.

  • @r0bophonic
    @r0bophonic Před rokem +1

    Amazing video! Did you use the vibrato on the Jazzmaster to get the pitch warble in the opening clip or is that an effect?

  • @JohnWoodcatOld
    @JohnWoodcatOld Před rokem

    Just found your channel and watched all of it you’re underrated as hell. I’ll be able to say I subbed before you reached 100k lol.

  • @THE-CRT
    @THE-CRT Před 2 měsíci +1

    Also nirvana, spx 90 was used on nevermind

  • @gloryxkid
    @gloryxkid Před 3 měsíci

    There’s a pedal builder under the name Julian or JMA that makes this reverse reverb in a pedal form. I have one and it’s incredible

  • @syashi
    @syashi Před 11 měsíci +2

    (1-1) My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
    (1-2) Ride - Nowhere
    (1-3) Slowdive - Souvlaki
    (1-4) Slowdive - Slowdive
    (1-5) Chapterhouse - Whirlpool
    (1-6) Pale Saints - The Comfort of Madness
    (2-1) Catherine Wheel - Ferment
    (2-2) Lush - Spooky
    (2-3) Slowdive - Just for a Day
    (2-4) Kitchens of Distinction - Strange Free World
    (2-5) The Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy
    (2-6) Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas
    (3-1) Beach House - Bloom
    (3-2) Adorable - Against Perfection
    (3-3) Blankenberge - Everything
    (3-4) Slowdive - Pygmalion
    (3-5) Curve - Doppelgänger
    (3-6) bdrmm - Bedroom
    (4-1) Mazzy Star - So Tonight That I Might See
    (4-2) Asobi Seksu - Citrus
    (4-3) Cocteau Twins - Blue Bell Knoll
    (4-4) Lush - Split
    (4-5) Ride - Going Blank Again
    (4-6) Cocteau Twins - Treasure
    (5-1) Swervedriver - Raise
    (5-2) The Boo Radleys Everything's Alright Forever
    (5-3) Lush - Gala
    (5-4) Blushing - Posessions
    (5-5) The Verve - A Storm in Heaven
    (5-6) My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything

    • @syashi
      @syashi Před 11 měsíci

      (row-column) btw

  • @andsoistopped
    @andsoistopped Před rokem

    Yep. Could listen to that for dayyyyyyyyyyysssss. Also RIP Kyle.

  • @lookapi
    @lookapi Před 4 měsíci

    I have midiverb II. and rex-50 😁👌🏼🤟

  • @TheBlackham
    @TheBlackham Před rokem

    Love it Dan .....sounds wicked

  • @dariagodina
    @dariagodina Před rokem

    A big YES to this!!

  • @vincent7626
    @vincent7626 Před rokem

    Great video as always!

  • @chinabears
    @chinabears Před rokem

    Great video Dan!

  • @risingtide_official
    @risingtide_official Před rokem +1

    Midiverb II reverse program as well.

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem

      Have heard that. Looks like a really cool unit!

    • @gigaha
      @gigaha Před 9 měsíci

      The Midiverb II is great! However, I love the SPX90’s digital display. The Midiverb just shows you the number of the patch you’re on (01-99), so you have to keep referring to a sheet of paper.

  • @SOAMLE
    @SOAMLE Před 6 měsíci

    Great video thank you. What kind of Jazzmaster?

  • @cheezuz666
    @cheezuz666 Před rokem

    Love all your videos!

  • @ChadWork1
    @ChadWork1 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I still have my SPX90 I bought for $700.00 in 1986. $700 in 1986 is equivalent to $17,240.33 in 2024.

    • @azizlewis
      @azizlewis Před 4 měsíci +2

      eh more like 2000 today 🙃

    • @ChadWork1
      @ChadWork1 Před 4 měsíci

      @@azizlewis Yeah I must have put 7000 in the calculator LOL

  • @johnpickk7526
    @johnpickk7526 Před rokem

    Great vid!! Love the spx90s but they break so easily which is sad, i got lucky on a studio closing and sold me a trio of spx90s! Along with the roger mayer stuff, its definiely a huge part of kevins sound

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem

      Thank you! Ahh no, mine comes up saying low battery when you turn it on, is that something to worry about? Yeah, it sounds really close to me. I tried getting a similar sound from the cathedral pedal, but could never quite get on with it.

    • @johnpickk7526
      @johnpickk7526 Před rokem

      @@thesethingsmakenoises I've had the low battery thing on an old unit yeah, generally it's a sign of things to come - I'd (or ask a tech) to check out all the caps for leaking/signs of being burnt out, that seems to happen to 99% of spx's unfortunately :(

    • @johnpickk7526
      @johnpickk7526 Před rokem

      @@thesethingsmakenoises agree on the cathedral too, great 'reverby reverb" pedal, but it's reverse function is very different to what the Yamaha does, it's more in the vain of the midiverb reverse patchs, but not the same either

  • @timhopkins3810
    @timhopkins3810 Před rokem

    Sounds good - amazed Yamaha haven’t added something like this into the Helix devices yet!
    Have you tried the Afterneath by EQD? It seems a bit similar and is something I’m currently looking at

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem

      Thanks! Yeah that’s interesting they haven’t actually. Must be really easy to emulate it. No, I’ll have a look into it, cheers!

    • @gigaha
      @gigaha Před 9 měsíci +1

      I love Afterneath but returned it because it’s mono only. I tend to run reverb at the end of a stereo rig. Just a thought for anyone else who might be considering that pedal, or any mono reverb for that matter.

  • @929exrt3
    @929exrt3 Před 11 měsíci

    Hey man, LOVE your content
    Quick question, can this hook up to a 100-watt Fender head and cab?

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Thanks mate! Yeah sure, it’s just like a normal Jack out. You could just run it in mono out of the unit.

  • @smoshbooz
    @smoshbooz Před rokem

    Yeah.. well, this "secret", which is well known in the community, has skyrocketed in price since a few years now so it's ridiculously hard to get hands on it

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem

      Ahhh I know right! I hadn’t looked as I have had it a couple of years, but when I was editing the video I had a look at prices and was absolutely shocked. What happened?

  • @trewgodell
    @trewgodell Před rokem

    Would love to know some of the names of those bands in the intro! Just starting to get into shoegaze

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem

      Ahh awesome,
      Well I’d have a listen to:
      MBV
      Slowdive
      Ride
      Cocteau Twins
      Chapterhouse
      The Jesus and Mary chain
      And try some ‘newer’ stuff too:
      Minor victories (part slowdive, part mogwai, part editors)
      Nothing
      Hum
      DIIV
      Bedroom

  • @onlyshallot
    @onlyshallot Před rokem +1

    i hear slowdive not mbv haha, but great video!

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem

      Haha ahh fair! I wonder if it’s the beat behind it. I was thinking I’d made a ‘when you sleep’ type beat but when I was editing my girlfriend overheard and thought I was playing one of the new ‘The National’ tracks hahaha.
      I do absolutely love slowdive though!

  • @lazarwolfethebutcher
    @lazarwolfethebutcher Před rokem

    I thought it was the Yamaha FX500 on the Soft Focus preset setting?

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem

      I’m sure there was different units used to be fair, but this was definitely one of them! ✌️

    • @PianoDentist
      @PianoDentist Před rokem

      Yes Slowdive used the Yamaha FX500 with the Soft Focus preset. We have one in our studio. I still use it from time to time. Also pretty good for that post-punk/Goth sound too. You can also get the catalinbread soft focus pedal which replicates this patch on the FX500.
      I have had some good results using Bias FX vst for various ShoeGazey sounds too.

  • @thecookreporting
    @thecookreporting Před rokem

    I have the Yamaha fx900. also 80s. wonder if the reverbs are the same

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem

      Yeah I reckon so? I’d that the one the ‘soft focus’ is built on?

    • @thecookreporting
      @thecookreporting Před rokem

      @@thesethingsmakenoises Not sure about it's specifics.

    • @gigaha
      @gigaha Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@thecookreporting The Soft Focus patch is from the Yamaha FX500. I just skimmed the Yamaha SPX900 manual for you and it does not have a Soft Focus patch. I believe the FX500 was released a few years later.

    • @thecookreporting
      @thecookreporting Před 9 měsíci +1

      OK. Thanks for taking the time to look though @@gigaha

  • @serenorocha
    @serenorocha Před rokem

    Hi! What drum machine did u use? Thx!

  • @Emcfree2084
    @Emcfree2084 Před rokem

    What are the albums are 0:15? I only recognise a couple

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem +2

      I can’t remember exactly without getting onto laptop but there’s:
      A couple slow dive albums
      Cocteau twins
      Ride
      Boo Radleys
      Lush
      Jesus and Mary Chain
      Bdrmm
      Kitchens of distinction

    • @Emcfree2084
      @Emcfree2084 Před rokem

      @@thesethingsmakenoises Great. Thanks for taking the time to do that :)

  • @skyborax5159
    @skyborax5159 Před rokem

    Does anyone know of a pedal or plugin that can do this effect?

    • @thesethingsmakenoises
      @thesethingsmakenoises  Před rokem +1

      Have a look at the ‘soft focus fx40’ someone commented on TikTok saying that’s a patch from one of the other units. Not the same but similar

    • @JulianA-tr6pt
      @JulianA-tr6pt Před 7 měsíci +1

      I made a pedal that nails it, Loomer or others are their own thing, I modeled the SPX ER. Was selling for a while, and may again sometime but time is a struggle.

  • @morbidanimal333
    @morbidanimal333 Před 4 měsíci

    Jeff Buckley used the midiverb too

  • @user-cm5eg6vv1v
    @user-cm5eg6vv1v Před rokem +1

    Delay is 0, Kevin said this multiple times in the interviews

  • @ShlomirBareket
    @ShlomirBareket Před 6 měsíci

    Nothing surpasses this... and yet. not one stupid boutique builder has created something that come even close, I can't beleive no one has emulated the DSP of the 'Reverse Gate Reverb'! Stick a fuzz in there and ya done!

  • @JPTRFX
    @JPTRFX Před rokem +1

    As always dropping the hottest content

  • @skyborax5159
    @skyborax5159 Před rokem

    I would pay for an IR taken of this if you wanna do it