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Mpg is inaccurate measure more accurate is european liters per 100 kilometers (l/100km) (27mpg is 8,7l/100km, 25mpg is 9,4l/100km) at least in my opinion your miata has low tire pressure or another resistance thing
I don't want to be annoying but if it's the engine from the Cherrier Vivace then it's a BlueHDi and not a TDi since it's based of a Peugeot/Citroën engine
@@LifeRunner4000 yes but not really HDi is High pressure Direct Injection, TDi is Turbocharged Direct Injection and SDi is Suction Direcxt Injection, SDi doesn't have a turbo as well it's Naturally Aspirted. But yes i know HDi and TDi have similarities but still no the same engines. And in the Video he's saying thay it's from VW which it isn't
I wanna see more gears with a lower final drive vs less gears and a higher final drive. 6 speed with the same top speed as 10 speed Horsepower, torque, wieght and wieght pulled(if it's a towing contest) should be the same
outocme results would be depend on power graph characteristic with wide peak power less gear win with more narrow peak power more gear win 👍🏻 so it depend how musztarda setup engine characteristic what also matter is how strong lowend it would have cos with longer 1 gear for 6 gear version it may strungle from stand strill more due to more clutch slide required ta biger rpm beside lower final ratio mean engine spin lower rpm in reagrd to vehicle velocity 👌🏻 outcme results also be deend on how fast be shifting time in hees simulation and what type of engine he choice n/a or turbo etc if turbo outcome results be also depend on how fast turbo build boost after shifting 😎 but like im write most important is peak power width and low end punch for longer 1 gear in 6 gear setup ., from roll only peak width matter from stand still lowend punch matter too depend how long be drag race 👌🏻
as an owner of a mk7 tdi, the idle sound is literally perfect like 1:1 but the reving is slightly off and the turbo unfortunately isnt anywhere near that loud stock atleast
If you want a technical explanation it could be due to sound deadening. My S60 had a blanket under the hood and I took it off because it was falling off and I could hear the boost and BOV after that.
and ballast out the other car to weigh it down another 200 + pounds. Big surprise the bigger engine in the lighter car goes better... Wow ground breaking!
Diesel engine had 25,3 psi of boost, that is 1,72 bars, so total intake manifold pressure is 2,72 bars, if you multiply it by 2 liters you will get 5,44 liters, so amount of air moving through the engine is almost same for both engines. But in mpg test boost was lover + diesel engines are more efficient, that's why it's better for economy.
Would love to see this again sane tests but two changes a bit more boost/fuel for the diesel and manual trans for both the Diesel seems to be shifting late for it's power band.
V8 wins the performance tests by about 10% each time though it also had 10 more HP than the diesel And was almost three times the size of the diesel o.o
@@namemcnamerton4249 Exactly, right during the big emissions crisis. Corvettes and camaros were lucky to have over 200hp. Then the late 90s came along and brought vortec heads that rivaled the fuelie/camelhump heads of the late 60s early 70s in a more modern center bolt valve cover configuration and the 350 smallblock became a cheap powerhouse again.
Being that the turbo diesel is much more modern than the v8, that’s the only thing that made this close to even. I had to laugh at the fuel efficiency at 100 mph though, the v8 didn’t lose much. Having driven TDI powered cars and owned a late vortec fuel injected 350, I can testify that the later 350s had mountains more power, and it would have made for a predictable and unexciting comparison
@@epiccarguy892in real life a 350 can push way more than a tiny little tdi can with 30psi. At least then you won’t have to listen to the shitty sounding 2.0L
Fun video...1, the performance difference is very, very small. 2, TDI is 100-110 kg lighter, likely up front which means better weight distribution, and less understeer. 3, TDI's economy is great for something in its size. Just wondering, though why you didnt't do the 100kmh economy run in 4th, which is more like an average cruise for a long trip? I'd say that the TDI would push 33-35 mpg, the V8 about 20-22 in this mode.
I may not be exactly right however in my 5 speed I know that I have to get on the pedal harder in 5th gear to maintain whatever speed at say 2500 rpm than I do in 4th at say 3500 rpm so I think that maybe it is because it was just more efficient with 3rd gear at like 50% than it would be in 4th at like 70% of course take this with a grain of salt but I believe it to be accurate.
@@joun0529 each engine has a window where it is most efficient (does the most work for the least amount of fuel burned). this is generally at lower rpms with almost full load. because of this, modern gearboxes come with a billion gears and looooong final drive ratios -> to get the engine rpm down and the work the engine has to do to maintain the speed up. the same principle with cylinder deactivation. by not injecting in half of the available cylinders you basically shrink the engine down to half its volume, so the remaining cylinders have to work harder, which is more efficient. (you can google for "fuel consumption map" if you are interested in this topic). this of course is a very general rule of thumb and turbocharging often shifts this window a bit, but yes, generally the lower rpms the better the fuel economy will be when cruising around.
Real world experience… So I was rocking a 1982 Plymouth caravelle with a 318 then switched to a TDI wagon (1.9l) and it was way slower until I got the TDI tuned by Malone then it felt the same.
What stock 2.0L TDI is making 200+ HP and 300-310 lb-ft of torque at the flywheel? Only like the very top spec model. The 350 SBC seems to be fairly detuned model by comparison. An early 70's LT-1 variant would've been more appropriate if you're comparing engines in their highest state of tune from the factory.
My first car was a '73 Nova with a 2bbl carb on top of a 350 V8. The fuel economy test matches my experience with that car. If I babied it I got around 11. If I drove it like I stole it I got around...11.
A Chrysler, Plymouth or Dodge..mid 1960's-70, full size..ie Newport, Monaco, Fury.. with a 383 big block, 2bbl carb & a 2.70:1 rear got 20 mpg..but Chrysler tuned their engines for peak efficiency, since that is also where the most pwr was..idk what Ford & GM were doing back then..but always lost to Mopar in the Mobil Economy runs. A 340 Duster with a 4bbl & 3.23 gear got 18 mpg at 80 mph. These are actual, numbers from known cars..personal experience. The only Mopars i recall only getting 10 mpg had very quick gearing, like 4.10's, and/or had dual 4 bbl carbs. In recent times, both Vipers and Hellcats get around 20 mpg hwy, as well.
Only problem here are the gearboxes. The V8 would normally come with a 3-speed or back then even a 2-speed slushbox auto. The modern TDi would normally be a 6 speed manual or a 6/7speed DSG. By the time that V8 got a 4-speed it would have been in the emissions era and down to 160hp-180hp.
It literally shown in the video than with more than half of displacement less and 4 less cylinders it basically matches it so yes, there is replacement for displacement
@@Povertycab So? A simple turbo vs 3.7 Liters more of displacement and 4 more cylinders. Those American engines are super inneficient, they are huge V8 doing little to no power
@@Povertycab the thing is that a much smaller engine with half the cylinders and a lot less displacement makes the same power as a big V8 and has better fuel economy aswell, you could also take a 1.9 Liter TDI and make 500-600 hp with a few mods
Yes, The V8 was better in performance, but only by very small margins... Yet, in the efficiency run the Diesel was better by a gigantic margin. Hence, the diesel Engine wins the day, for me at least!
In North America we combine the two in GM and Ford HD pickup trucks. You can get a 6.6L/402 CID (GM) or 6.7L/406 (Ford) CID turbo diesel. Fuel economy numbers are not as good as the 1.9L VW.
The little VW TDIs spin a lot faster than the diesels that we are used to seeing in North America. A 1.9 VW TDI redlines at 5,500 rpm vs a Cummins ISB at 3,200 rpm. You have to make 70% more torque at 3,200 rpm to make the same horsepower than you do at 5,500 rpm.
You really need to get a wheel or at least use an x-box controller so you can have variable steering, braking, and throttle. it makes beamNG much better and more accurate.
@@Sephiroth5200 I used to always play with a keyboard forza too i got great at it but it still sucked. I haven’t used a controller but wheels are great I have the Logitech G29 which is great but it is a much harder thing to Learn good control on.
@@oliverherrick2189 I use a pad on games that work with it out of convenience (You know, that hour or so a working stiff gets a night), but I also have a Thrustmaster TMX to play Asseto Corsa, F1 and PC2 with on days off.
Edit: Leaving this here because I prefer to admit my mistakes. I got the colours backward. Original: "So the V8 wins all the performance tests while the diesel holds a big fuel economy advantage" I'm guessing you're used to using L/100km rather than mpg, in this case higher is better and the V8 wins.
Wouldn't the 353 be closer to fords 351 in displacement for comparison? Like I know beam can't just rip irl names and that could be their version of Chevy
Didint they get those powernumber whit no accessories and a total loss cooling system on a stand? Would love to know how much got to the wheels trough a sluhs box and AC on
@@k3kboi665 Everyone gave SAE hp-numbers back then, even if the Germans gave DIN too. 280hp on a 350cui is a low number from a low compression two-barrel engine. A 4-barrel higher com pression 350, like used in the Corvette made 350hp, still on stock exhaust. Give it a good exhaust and it will be close to 400hp. I had a -77 350cui once, low compression 170SAE. Bought a set of 1968 high copmression cylinderheads and added a cam-axle pretty close to Camaro-specs+a good exhaust. This totally transformed the old iron engine, my 2.1ton Caprice wagon became a ricer-killer. Moral: pre 1970 V8`s were hot, later models not
@@64fairlane305 you seem to know a thing or two so can you explain why do old american cars ofthen have one huge carburetor? while as my father talks about adding more carbs to increase performance back in the day.
@@k3kboi665 One big carb in the centre between the two lines of cylindres has shown to be a simple but still effective way to feed a V8 in a daily driver. US V8`s wasn`t built to spin at max rpm`s to cough out some tiny top-end hp`s like most European engines, the focus was on their "pulling-power" or tourque. Witch they had plenty of until 1971. From then on US V8`s were strangeled down from muscle-plants into half-dead lazy iron lumps. This was done by lowering compression to handle the low-quality gas (worldwide oil-crise), chogging exhaust bcs of stupid smog-rules, lazy camshaft made to save gas and chogged hardly breathing low compression cylinderheads on top of (!) that. That`s why a healthy 400hp could become a lazy 180hp. Found a video showing one big vs separate carbs, here on a inline six: czcams.com/video/vCRpOpCgalg/video.html
@@64fairlane305that the reason why i like old american cars. a regural family man working in a factory could own and maintain a barge whit a v8 in it. I love the excess, wealth and industrial power USA had back in the day. While my dad loves to talk about how proud he was about his vw passat b2 1.8 whit the injection making an insane 112hp
I dont think the 353V8 and the 2.0TDI are that big a difference. the V8 makes 15 more torque and horsepower than the TDI, but I dont think it's enough for a 1/4 of 2 tenths difference, given the 5 liter V8 is double the weight of the turbo diesel I4., engine block wise. and the power and torque bands are similar. I dont think about 500-650rpm redline difference makes that much difference either, but the heavier one makes a time 2 tenths faster than the VW powered one.
The mpg on the diesel is completely out, that 2L tuned (that one is, doing 200hp); does over 40mpg easy, maybe aerodynamics or the crap ass automatic gearbox, I drive them manual, 50 mpg is pretty common.
something wrong with this program, the 1984 chevy impala police car I owned with a 4 barrel carburetor-ed 350 V8 averaged 17 to 20 MPG on the highway doing around 65 MPH
Thermal efficiency and less tendency towards knocking (detonation) are really the only benefits of diesel. Granted, those are some pretty big benefits (especially the thermal efficiency, since it leads to the ridiculous gap in fuel economy). Shame they generate so many nasty pollutants that seem to be too difficult to clean up.
@@mc__mauri8863 Nope. They are much dirtier. The very burning principle that makes them efficient makes their exhaust much more difficult to clean. In any case, both petrol and diesel engine will be replaced by electric.
Diesels are and aren't cleaner than gasoline cars. 'lamda' is the ratio between theoretical air needed for full fuel burn and actural air supply. Values higher than 1 describe combustion with excess air. Diesels burn lean. Their ideal lamda is 1.25 or so. Thus they burn their fuel almost completly. They produce soot and NOx as emissions. Thus cleaning their emissions up requires a particulate filter and a selective catalytic reducer (SCR). Gasoline engines burn 'rich'. Ideal lamda for them is about 0.85. Thus the exhaust of a gasoline car is full of unburnt hydrocarbons, stuff like CH2 and Carbon monoxide. Toxic gases that also destroy the ozone layer. Gasoline cars have a catalytic converter to burn off the unburnt hydrocarbons in the exhaust. Both NOx and unburnt hydrocarbons destroy the ozone layer. Modern turbocharged and direct injected gasoline cars ALSO have high NOx emissions. NOx is a product of high combustion temperatures. High thermal efficiency neccesitates high combustion temperature. So there is a balance to be had between fuel milage and emissions.
@@achimhanischdorfer3403 with means more energy you want produce from each drop of diesel, less eco friendly you become. Pretty ironic but real world is not fantasy where you can fly on other planet as a tourist.
@@achimhanischdorfer3403 A modem gasoline engine does not burn rich at anything but wide open throttle. The entire point of the oxygen sensor is to ensure they operate around stoichiometric where the catalytic converter works correctly.
Weird to me he tested with drag slicks. Does beam not account for tire weight? Seeing those slicks would be heavier than normal tires and slicks with less than 250 crank hp tf?! 😂
@@vennuv5626 It depends on the vehicle. The smallest engine available in the 2023 Ford Superduty is a 6.7L turbo diesel (6.8L gas is standard in most models with a 7.3L gas as an option). The Ram HD comes standard with a 6.4L Hemi V8 and an optional 6.7L TD. Base Corvette engine is a 6.2L V8.
For sooooo little margin wins. But that just because that diesel horsepower in obtained brainless.. BKD could rev up to 6000tpm efficient, waaaay more than thag ohv, but that torque will come later. That will make that tdi WAAAAY faster on quarter mile.
Amazing what a difference more area under the power curve makes. The V8 isn't much more powerful, but it carries its power for longer, so it is quicker, even though it's noticeably heavier. 10 hp doesn't make up for ~200lbs.
@@Coolgamer400 nope shoryuag is right 👌🏻you are wrong if he revv it higher this v8 than he do in this game acceleration would be worse 😎 power area is important not what you write and i this simulation gearing for v8 is perfect where for tdi is wrong thats why v8 win with perfect gearing tdi win cos is 100 kg lighter 😎👌🏻 well it be closer than at least cos still v8 makes couple hp more in this simulation wemember lower gear at biger engine rpm cant generate more contact path force or assuming the same wheel radious at the same velocity vehicle more drive wheel axis torque only cos it have lower gear and biger rpm 🫣 it need to have more power on engine crank in this moment or forget about more drive wheel axis torque 👍🏻
@@epiccarguy892 "...Volkswagen Group's first TDI engine was introduced in the 1989 Audi 100 TDI sedan." Audi used it first, other brands started to use it later. I knew TDI was from Audi's. It's a VW group engine because Audi is part of VW group, that's all and everything made there is part of VW group. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TDI_(engine)#History
2L diesel v8? i dont know any engine in america that is that size for a v8. the only V8 diesel offered at the time was the GM 6.2L detroit diesel(4 stroke) and was used mainly in oldsmobil luxury cars, caddilacs, and some medium duty to heavy duty trucks and SUV( IE chevy suburban box body and silverado)
if you have tried out the vivace and seen its engine configurations or just listened like 5 seconds into the video, you wouldve noticed that its an i4 why does it look like a v8 ingame? because moving models to different cars isnt as easy as just giving them the engine option in the dropdown.
The smallest turbo diesel sold in any numbers around my area (Maryland USA) is 6.6L. I recently sold my 6.7L inline 6 TD and am waiting for the factory to build the replacement (6.7L V8 TD). The 3L TDs have mostly been dropped. I think that GM is the only NA manufacturer to still offer a 3L diesel.
To be true, the V8 barely wins performance tests, but the diesel wins the fuel economy by a huge margin... The diesel looks like an "almost V8" but with fuel consumption of a city car.
Thats why I love driving diesel cars. I own a Merc C220 CDI from 2011. 170bhp. Around 6L per 100KM or like 40mpg. Also goes 220kph which is like 140mph I think.
@@achimhanischdorfer3403 My 2011 diesel wasn't that great on fuel. I averaged around 20 mpg highway and 14 mpg the rest of the time. I had the low output Cummins ISB 6.7 (350 hp, 650 lb ft) and just sold it a month or two ago. The replacement is going to be a 2023 Ford Powerstroke high output 6.7 (500 hp, 1200 lb ft). It is supposed to get comparable fuel economy.
Un motore vw 2.0 Turbo Diesel con 190 hp alla ruota, fa da 0-60 in 6”,87, e già qui c’è molto ottimismo,mentre il V8 5,7 benzina con 200 hp alla ruota (deve essere il 5,7 V8 più scarso mai costruito)di conseguenza da 0-60 non può farli in soli 6”,73. Per cui queste simulazioni,lasciano il tempo che trovano,diciamo che sono vere e proprie Crociate contro i V8. Hai mai provato un gasolio e vw da 2.0 lt?,Hai mai provato un 345 HEMI? Perché se li hai provati entrambi,non puoi fare un paragone,il 345 hemi ,il motorino a gasolio se lo beve a colazione.
wrong gearing for tdi make it slower in acceleration depsite is 100 kg around lighter 👍🏻 you misteake is to big diffrenc in gear lenght cos when you shift to higher gear rpm drop to low where is way ess power than at peak power thats 1 version and 2 version rpm limiter kick in to soon unless power drop very rapidly above 4 k rpm than only 1 solution is to decrease diffrenc in gear lenght in this power graph characteristic you should setup diffrenc in gear lenght in such way that when you shift at 4 k rpm rpm drop down on 3,5 k rpm ok 3,25 k rpm be probably best version due to turbo boost build time and less gear shifting quantity 😎👍🏻in results at end dispite lil less avg power use for acceleration comapre to 3,5 k rpm starting rpm at another higher gear it may be in big diffrenc in velocity not slower or even slightly faster depend on those shifting time and turbo how fast it build max presssure 😎👍🏻
@@tr1ppl3M I think that Ford has the highest torque in a production vehicle as of 2023. The High Output version of the Powerstroke 6.7L V8 diesel makes 500 hp and 1200 lb ft.
@@tr1ppl3M Diesel should count as long as it comes in a vehicle that seats at least 4 (completely arbitrary condition of course). The 7.3L Godzilla v8 has to be up there. Normally aspirated it's 475 lb ft.
There is something uncanny about seeing a giant, old, heavy car have 27 MPG while my 1.6L Miata gets about 25 or less MPG these days LOL
Jeremy Clarkson once said: The size of your engine doesn't matter, but the driving style does.
@@bxndxlx4150 The type of fuel you car uses does matter a lot, diesel is notorious for giving hight millage even with absurd size engines.
Mpg is inaccurate measure more accurate is european liters per 100 kilometers (l/100km) (27mpg is 8,7l/100km, 25mpg is 9,4l/100km) at least in my opinion your miata has low tire pressure or another resistance thing
@@xflashu8075 no resistance issue; He just drives at full throttle the whole time 😂
No this is normal. Those engines are unable to be efficient.
0:05 TDI Clean Diesel ™️
oh poor greta
*D i e s e l g a t e .*
I don't want to be annoying but if it's the engine from the Cherrier Vivace then it's a BlueHDi and not a TDi since it's based of a Peugeot/Citroën engine
BlueHDi / TDi/SDi, same thing different name.
@@LifeRunner4000 yes but not really HDi is High pressure Direct Injection, TDi is Turbocharged Direct Injection and SDi is Suction Direcxt Injection, SDi doesn't have a turbo as well it's Naturally Aspirted. But yes i know HDi and TDi have similarities but still no the same engines. And in the Video he's saying thay it's from VW which it isn't
Are you happy he edited the video for your sanity ?
I think Vivace's diesel engines are Dci. They have the same power and torque outputs with 1.5 Dci and 2.0 Dci. But clearly Cherrier is a Peugeot.
@@DaddyVanHool and more, there is a common rail on the HDi
That old 350 sound spot on. Cut the mufflers off lol
I’ll spare you the effort. It sounds disgusting with the exhaust off.
I wanna see more gears with a lower final drive vs less gears and a higher final drive.
6 speed with the same top speed as 10 speed
Horsepower, torque, wieght and wieght pulled(if it's a towing contest) should be the same
No, it should be close. Drivetrain loss comes into equation.
Less gears and high final drive will give you a bad top speed
outocme results would be depend on power graph characteristic with wide peak power less gear win with more narrow peak power more gear win 👍🏻 so it depend how musztarda setup engine characteristic what also matter is how strong lowend it would have cos with longer 1 gear for 6 gear version it may strungle from stand strill more due to more clutch slide required ta biger rpm beside lower final ratio mean engine spin lower rpm in reagrd to vehicle velocity 👌🏻 outcme results also be deend on how fast be shifting time in hees simulation and what type of engine he choice n/a or turbo etc if turbo outcome results be also depend on how fast turbo build boost after shifting 😎 but like im write most important is peak power width and low end punch for longer 1 gear in 6 gear setup ., from roll only peak width matter from stand still lowend punch matter too depend how long be drag race 👌🏻
yesssss
@@FSXgta I approve of this comment, being an expert on racing games (been playing them for over 20 years).
as an owner of a mk7 tdi, the idle sound is literally perfect like 1:1 but the reving is slightly off and the turbo unfortunately isnt anywhere near that loud stock atleast
If you want a technical explanation it could be due to sound deadening. My S60 had a blanket under the hood and I took it off because it was falling off and I could hear the boost and BOV after that.
To be fair the V8 had 10 more horsepower I think you may be should've turned up the boost by 1 pound on the turbo vehicle
but the point was to test out the 2.0TDI just ad it was, no tuning
@@mr.wyrzykowski7522 there was a 240HP factory version of 2.0 TDI, so RIP V8 I guess
and ballast out the other car to weigh it down another 200 + pounds. Big surprise the bigger engine in the lighter car goes better... Wow ground breaking!
@PC_Modder nah ok... you're right. The sound on the scales threw me off.
@@arekb5951 yeah but the diesel lost although the V8 is way heavier so clearly win
Diesel engine had 25,3 psi of boost, that is 1,72 bars, so total intake manifold pressure is 2,72 bars, if you multiply it by 2 liters you will get 5,44 liters, so amount of air moving through the engine is almost same for both engines. But in mpg test boost was lover + diesel engines are more efficient, that's why it's better for economy.
no way how
Diesels don't run anywhere near stoichiometric though, so most of that air is going to come back out of the exhaust.
Motion blur has really made this game feel so much better
love this games accuracy of the small block. just like in real life it gets 10ish mpg no matter the situation lol
Would love to see this again sane tests but two changes a bit more boost/fuel for the diesel and manual trans for both the Diesel seems to be shifting late for it's power band.
V8 wins the performance tests by about 10% each time
though it also had 10 more HP than the diesel
And was almost three times the size of the diesel o.o
1973-1994 cars with v8s were pretty rotten in the power sector
Yeah and way heavier so clearly the V8 wins
@@namemcnamerton4249 Exactly, right during the big emissions crisis. Corvettes and camaros were lucky to have over 200hp. Then the late 90s came along and brought vortec heads that rivaled the fuelie/camelhump heads of the late 60s early 70s in a more modern center bolt valve cover configuration and the 350 smallblock became a cheap powerhouse again.
Being that the turbo diesel is much more modern than the v8, that’s the only thing that made this close to even. I had to laugh at the fuel efficiency at 100 mph though, the v8 didn’t lose much.
Having driven TDI powered cars and owned a late vortec fuel injected 350, I can testify that the later 350s had mountains more power, and it would have made for a predictable and unexciting comparison
in real life a carburrated V8 Gasoline engine would suck all the gas while a Diesel Injection would run longer with less fuel
@@epiccarguy892in real life a 350 can push way more than a tiny little tdi can with 30psi. At least then you won’t have to listen to the shitty sounding 2.0L
@@racistdoctor5818 the 2.0 is epic
Fun video...1, the performance difference is very, very small.
2, TDI is 100-110 kg lighter, likely up front which means better
weight distribution, and less understeer.
3, TDI's economy is great for something in its size. Just wondering, though why
you didnt't do the 100kmh economy run in 4th, which is more like an average cruise for a long trip?
I'd say that the TDI would push 33-35 mpg, the V8 about 20-22 in this mode.
I may not be exactly right however in my 5 speed I know that I have to get on the pedal harder in 5th gear to maintain whatever speed at say 2500 rpm than I do in 4th at say 3500 rpm so I think that maybe it is because it was just more efficient with 3rd gear at like 50% than it would be in 4th at like 70% of course take this with a grain of salt but I believe it to be accurate.
Is not tdi but hdi from psa group
@@joun0529 each engine has a window where it is most efficient (does the most work for the least amount of fuel burned). this is generally at lower rpms with almost full load. because of this, modern gearboxes come with a billion gears and looooong final drive ratios -> to get the engine rpm down and the work the engine has to do to maintain the speed up. the same principle with cylinder deactivation. by not injecting in half of the available cylinders you basically shrink the engine down to half its volume, so the remaining cylinders have to work harder, which is more efficient. (you can google for "fuel consumption map" if you are interested in this topic).
this of course is a very general rule of thumb and turbocharging often shifts this window a bit, but yes, generally the lower rpms the better the fuel economy will be when cruising around.
Please do more classic cars like this I love the ambiance
1.9 is famous tdi
but i get the point :D
Real world experience… So I was rocking a 1982 Plymouth caravelle with a 318 then switched to a TDI wagon (1.9l) and it was way slower until I got the TDI tuned by Malone then it felt the same.
I Like this Car pls more
sick video
What stock 2.0L TDI is making 200+ HP and 300-310 lb-ft of torque at the flywheel? Only like the very top spec model. The 350 SBC seems to be fairly detuned model by comparison. An early 70's LT-1 variant would've been more appropriate if you're comparing engines in their highest state of tune from the factory.
amazing!!!!!!!
My first car was a '73 Nova with a 2bbl carb on top of a 350 V8. The fuel economy test matches my experience with that car. If I babied it I got around 11. If I drove it like I stole it I got around...11.
TDI POWAH!!!
A Chrysler, Plymouth or Dodge..mid 1960's-70, full size..ie Newport, Monaco, Fury.. with a
383 big block, 2bbl carb & a 2.70:1 rear got 20 mpg..but Chrysler tuned their engines for peak efficiency, since that is also where the most pwr was..idk what Ford & GM were doing back then..but always lost to Mopar in the Mobil Economy runs. A 340 Duster with a 4bbl & 3.23 gear got 18 mpg at 80 mph. These are actual, numbers from known cars..personal experience. The only Mopars i recall only getting 10 mpg had very quick gearing,
like 4.10's, and/or had dual 4 bbl carbs. In recent times, both Vipers and Hellcats get around 20 mpg hwy, as well.
😎😎Dat V8🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Only problem here are the gearboxes. The V8 would normally come with a 3-speed or back then even a 2-speed slushbox auto. The modern TDi would normally be a 6 speed manual or a 6/7speed DSG.
By the time that V8 got a 4-speed it would have been in the emissions era and down to 160hp-180hp.
Yeah and by the time the V8 got a good Transmission it was already out of reach for the TDI
Yep, that's definitely a 2.0TDI I'm hearing
No replacement for displacement
It literally shown in the video than with more than half of displacement less and 4 less cylinders it basically matches it so yes, there is replacement for displacement
@@adrianramos9644 all it took was a turbo
@@Povertycab So? A simple turbo vs 3.7 Liters more of displacement and 4 more cylinders. Those American engines are super inneficient, they are huge V8 doing little to no power
@@adrianramos9644 could that be because it’s a stock motor that not build for high power? You can take a 5.3 out of a truck and push 750hp fairly easy
@@Povertycab the thing is that a much smaller engine with half the cylinders and a lot less displacement makes the same power as a big V8 and has better fuel economy aswell, you could also take a 1.9 Liter TDI and make 500-600 hp with a few mods
Yes, The V8 was better in performance, but only by very small margins... Yet, in the efficiency run the Diesel was better by a gigantic margin. Hence, the diesel Engine wins the day, for me at least!
In North America we combine the two in GM and Ford HD pickup trucks. You can get a 6.6L/402 CID (GM) or 6.7L/406 (Ford) CID turbo diesel. Fuel economy numbers are not as good as the 1.9L VW.
Since I had a 318 I don’t want anything else but a v8 fck the economy fck performance nothing compares to pressing the gaz on a v8 engine
I wonder what pc specs this dude has. Imagine playing this smoothly ☠️
I got a rx580 4gb and i7 4790 and i play this smoothly, around 100fps whitout ai, whit ai trafic i got like 60-70
Holy sh*t, are those power figures accurate? I had no idea those 1.9tdi VWs were putting out so much horsepower. That's insane!
Vw's 1.9 tdi engines are anywhere between 90 and 150 horsepower stock depends on the version.
The little VW TDIs spin a lot faster than the diesels that we are used to seeing in North America. A 1.9 VW TDI redlines at 5,500 rpm vs a Cummins ISB at 3,200 rpm. You have to make 70% more torque at 3,200 rpm to make the same horsepower than you do at 5,500 rpm.
2.0 TDi, newer engine and they came stock with quite a bit of power, 240hp at most.
@@antoncretu5581 Seat pulled 160hp from the 1.9 then stuck it in the tiny Ibiza!
@@kristoffer3000 A 1.9L is a tiny engine. Seems to suit a tiny car.
Seeing these cars in a gta game would be Awesome
it's beamng not GTA
@@epiccarguy892 not what I’m saying bro I’m talking about the car dude
@@chevychevelle8685 oh sorry my mistake ,....
I prefer the Diesel, cause better fuel consumption and turbo sounds.
the engine in the diesel is ETK800 TDI turbocharged or the VW engine mod for it
@Forgotten Mustard What mods are you using for engine readouts and seemingly infinite vehicle setup?
You really need to get a wheel or at least use an x-box controller so you can have variable steering, braking, and throttle. it makes beamNG much better and more accurate.
I'm with ya. It's always a keyboard.
@@Sephiroth5200 I used to always play with a keyboard forza too i got great at it but it still sucked. I haven’t used a controller but wheels are great I have the Logitech G29 which is great but it is a much harder thing to Learn good control on.
I don't understand why he hasn't switched either.
@@unusualcrate4100 things cost money yk
@@oliverherrick2189 I use a pad on games that work with it out of convenience (You know, that hour or so a working stiff gets a night), but I also have a Thrustmaster TMX to play Asseto Corsa, F1 and PC2 with on days off.
If you put a pd 140 its well be great
or if it was possible, take the blueprint of a VW 2.0L TDI, but we make it into a VR6 config. a VW 3.0L 24V DOHC TDI
but here's an idea. we take the blueprint of a volkswagen 2.0TDI, but we turn it into a 60 degree 4.0 TDI V8.
good idea
If the diesel had 2.3 or 2.4 liters, performance would have been almost the same! Modern engines are sooooo efficient.
Edit: Leaving this here because I prefer to admit my mistakes. I got the colours backward.
Original: "So the V8 wins all the performance tests while the diesel holds a big fuel economy advantage"
I'm guessing you're used to using L/100km rather than mpg, in this case higher is better and the V8 wins.
the diesel has the higher mpg numbers if i'm seeing it right...
what are you talking about
@@Coolgamer400 I got them backward and have edited my comment to reflect that.
Could you please use sane units next time?
PLS MAKE THAT 2.0 TDI A MOD🥺
no replacement
for displacement
Give my pinky toe if somebody would show me how the hell do use the cruise control function I can’t figure it out save my life
Mercedes W Series Sound
Make the most fuel efficient vehicle and the most inefficient 😅
compare to the size of the V8 the diesel is the winner
yes
Chevrolet VW
haha yes
impala with VW engine
1.9 TDI
Wouldn't the 353 be closer to fords 351 in displacement for comparison? Like I know beam can't just rip irl names and that could be their version of Chevy
Why the revs on the 2.0 don’t go up till 5k
VW TDi rev limit at 5500 (CR) 5200 (PD)
A base 5.7 V8 makes ca 280hp & 350lbft, the later smogged low compression versions ended up as 170hp or like here 200
Didint they get those powernumber whit no accessories and a total loss cooling system on a stand? Would love to know how much got to the wheels trough a sluhs box and AC on
@@k3kboi665 Everyone gave SAE hp-numbers back then, even if the Germans gave DIN too. 280hp on a 350cui is a low number from a low compression two-barrel engine. A 4-barrel higher com pression 350, like used in the Corvette made 350hp, still on stock exhaust. Give it a good exhaust and it will be close to 400hp. I had a -77 350cui once, low compression 170SAE. Bought a set of 1968 high copmression cylinderheads and added a cam-axle pretty close to Camaro-specs+a good exhaust. This totally transformed the old iron engine, my 2.1ton Caprice wagon became a ricer-killer. Moral: pre 1970 V8`s were hot, later models not
@@64fairlane305 you seem to know a thing or two so can you explain why do old american cars ofthen have one huge carburetor? while as my father talks about adding more carbs to increase performance back in the day.
@@k3kboi665 One big carb in the centre between the two lines of cylindres has shown to be a simple but still effective way to feed a V8 in a daily driver. US V8`s wasn`t built to spin at max rpm`s to cough out some tiny top-end hp`s like most European engines, the focus was on their "pulling-power" or tourque. Witch they had plenty of until 1971. From then on US V8`s were strangeled down from muscle-plants into half-dead lazy iron lumps. This was done by lowering compression to handle the low-quality gas (worldwide oil-crise), chogging exhaust bcs of stupid smog-rules, lazy camshaft made to save gas and chogged hardly breathing low compression cylinderheads on top of (!) that. That`s why a healthy 400hp could become a lazy 180hp. Found a video showing one big vs separate carbs, here on a inline six: czcams.com/video/vCRpOpCgalg/video.html
@@64fairlane305that the reason why i like old american cars. a regural family man working in a factory could own and maintain a barge whit a v8 in it. I love the excess, wealth and industrial power USA had back in the day. While my dad loves to talk about how proud he was about his vw passat b2 1.8 whit the injection making an insane 112hp
Hey can you please release your mods on repo in in the fourms
I dont think the 353V8 and the 2.0TDI are that big a difference. the V8 makes 15 more torque and horsepower than the TDI, but I dont think it's enough for a 1/4 of 2 tenths difference, given the 5 liter V8 is double the weight of the turbo diesel I4., engine block wise. and the power and torque bands are similar. I dont think about 500-650rpm redline difference makes that much difference either, but the heavier one makes a time 2 tenths faster than the VW powered one.
only reason ppl get a v8 over a engine with less cylinders is simply for the power
There are more reason
Longevity.
2.0 TDI is fine however
*1.9 TDI*
The mpg on the diesel is completely out, that 2L tuned (that one is, doing 200hp); does over 40mpg easy, maybe aerodynamics or the crap ass automatic gearbox, I drive them manual, 50 mpg is pretty common.
Aero matters alot and weight. This vehicle is very heavy and not aerodanimic so it wil consume more
something wrong with this program, the 1984 chevy impala police car I owned with a 4 barrel carburetor-ed 350 V8 averaged 17 to 20 MPG on the highway doing around 65 MPH
the cars here are 1963 Chevy Impala the one is 350 Gas Small block V8 and the other is I4 VW TDI motor swap Turbo diesel engine
Thermal efficiency and less tendency towards knocking (detonation) are really the only benefits of diesel. Granted, those are some pretty big benefits (especially the thermal efficiency, since it leads to the ridiculous gap in fuel economy). Shame they generate so many nasty pollutants that seem to be too difficult to clean up.
Diesel engines are much cleaner than gasoline engine.
@@mc__mauri8863 Nope. They are much dirtier. The very burning principle that makes them efficient makes their exhaust much more difficult to clean.
In any case, both petrol and diesel engine will be replaced by electric.
Diesels are and aren't cleaner than gasoline cars.
'lamda' is the ratio between theoretical air needed for full fuel burn and actural air supply. Values higher than 1 describe combustion with excess air.
Diesels burn lean. Their ideal lamda is 1.25 or so. Thus they burn their fuel almost completly. They produce soot and NOx as emissions. Thus cleaning their emissions up requires a particulate filter and a selective catalytic reducer (SCR).
Gasoline engines burn 'rich'. Ideal lamda for them is about 0.85. Thus the exhaust of a gasoline car is full of unburnt hydrocarbons, stuff like CH2 and Carbon monoxide. Toxic gases that also destroy the ozone layer. Gasoline cars have a catalytic converter to burn off the unburnt hydrocarbons in the exhaust.
Both NOx and unburnt hydrocarbons destroy the ozone layer. Modern turbocharged and direct injected gasoline cars ALSO have high NOx emissions. NOx is a product of high combustion temperatures. High thermal efficiency neccesitates high combustion temperature. So there is a balance to be had between fuel milage and emissions.
@@achimhanischdorfer3403 with means more energy you want produce from each drop of diesel, less eco friendly you become. Pretty ironic but real world is not fantasy where you can fly on other planet as a tourist.
@@achimhanischdorfer3403 A modem gasoline engine does not burn rich at anything but wide open throttle. The entire point of the oxygen sensor is to ensure they operate around stoichiometric where the catalytic converter works correctly.
Weird to me he tested with drag slicks. Does beam not account for tire weight? Seeing those slicks would be heavier than normal tires and slicks with less than 250 crank hp tf?! 😂
So based on these tests, anyone who has driven a diesel powered car can claim they have driven a muscle car?
I suppose that makes sense.
Well techically smalblock. Different story when you get to drive 7.2 liter v8
@@vennuv5626 the fact a 5.7L is a smallblock its pretty funny
@@splintergp that's true. It's still fucking giantic compared to todays engines
Lmao guess my Passat is a muscle car then
@@vennuv5626 It depends on the vehicle. The smallest engine available in the 2023 Ford Superduty is a 6.7L turbo diesel (6.8L gas is standard in most models with a 7.3L gas as an option). The Ram HD comes standard with a 6.4L Hemi V8 and an optional 6.7L TD. Base Corvette engine is a 6.2L V8.
The 60mph mpg test the v8 was stuck in 3rd gear
Chevwagen Impassat TDI
ETK Bluebuck W Series
@@Steve1766 haha
Small-Block? That’s an almost 6-liter engine! What does Chevy think is ‘small?’
tdi dominates
For sooooo little margin wins. But that just because that diesel horsepower in obtained brainless.. BKD could rev up to 6000tpm efficient, waaaay more than thag ohv, but that torque will come later. That will make that tdi WAAAAY faster on quarter mile.
Is TDI mean twin turbo diesel I?
TDI means Turbo Direct Injection
its the Famous 1.9l TDI not the 2.0 TDI but ok
I mean if you wanted to use VW diesel, why not go with the bulletproof 1.9TDI?
Not enough torquey-torquey.
I think the 2.0 TDI pushes a little more than the highest output 1.9 TDI but correct me if im wrong!
@@skylinesenpai5554 thats probably true, but the 1.9TDi is arguably idiot proof and very capable.
Simple...
V8 wins
in fuel efficiency the gas V8 guzzles the gas while the 2.0 Diesel can do more KMs without refuel
@@epiccarguy892 ok ok...
V8 wins.
@@SzPHamer depends in what
@@epiccarguy892 Because
TDI good motor Jetta VW 2014 140 hp & 237 tq
130-150' mph me Jetta
Euro 6 crap w/ particulate fitler and adblue
Amazing what a difference more area under the power curve makes. The V8 isn't much more powerful, but it carries its power for longer, so it is quicker, even though it's noticeably heavier. 10 hp doesn't make up for ~200lbs.
it revs higher, can change gears later and therefore has an overall wheeltorque advantage
@@Coolgamer400 nope shoryuag is right 👌🏻you are wrong if he revv it higher this v8 than he do in this game acceleration would be worse 😎 power area is important not what you write and i this simulation gearing for v8 is perfect where for tdi is wrong thats why v8 win with perfect gearing tdi win cos is 100 kg lighter 😎👌🏻 well it be closer than at least cos still v8 makes couple hp more in this simulation wemember lower gear at biger engine rpm cant generate more contact path force or assuming the same wheel radious at the same velocity vehicle more drive wheel axis torque only cos it have lower gear and biger rpm 🫣 it need to have more power on engine crank in this moment or forget about more drive wheel axis torque 👍🏻
1.9 TDI volkswagen passat its he polish Janusz
Please tell me where to find this mod or how to get it
TDI is from Audi, not VW. It just happens that Audi is part of VW group.
TDI is initially from VW but it's also used in Audi Skoda Seat and of course VW
@@epiccarguy892 So why Audi was the first manufacturer using TDI engines? At least that's what it seems.
@@epiccarguy892 "...Volkswagen Group's first TDI engine was introduced in the 1989 Audi 100 TDI sedan."
Audi used it first, other brands started to use it later. I knew TDI was from Audi's. It's a VW group engine because Audi is part of VW group, that's all and everything made there is part of VW group.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TDI_(engine)#History
@@HeavenlyWarrior it's the same group
@@epiccarguy892 TDI was made for Audi first then was used for other VW brands.
hyundai 1.6 crdi please
Bruh, why was the fuel milage the same for 60 and 100mph for the V8 😂
Cus the 62 mph test was done in 3 rd gear not 4 like in the 100mph test. Don't know why he didn't do the 62 test in top gear
Why would you give a 2.0tdi 400 horsepower and 1.7 bar?
That 350 has more advantage on the 4 speed automatic because of the higher revving, the 2.0 tdi with 7 speed dsg is far better than the 350
2L diesel v8? i dont know any engine in america that is that size for a v8. the only V8 diesel offered at the time was the GM 6.2L detroit diesel(4 stroke) and was used mainly in oldsmobil luxury cars, caddilacs, and some medium duty to heavy duty trucks and SUV( IE chevy suburban box body and silverado)
if you have tried out the vivace and seen its engine configurations or just listened like 5 seconds into the video, you wouldve noticed that its an i4
why does it look like a v8 ingame? because moving models to different cars isnt as easy as just giving them the engine option in the dropdown.
The 2l Diesel Egine isnt a V8, its an I4
What?Bruh it is I4 not V8.Read subtitle correctly.
@@denizuysal9188 i know but the engine model isnt what it is supposed to be and i do appreciate the correction
The Olds cars didn't use the 6.2 Detroit, the used the 5.7 Oldsmobile diesel V8 or the 4.3 Olds diesel V6. The 6.2 was used in trucks only.
Only engine that is better than 2.0 td is 3.0 td.
The smallest turbo diesel sold in any numbers around my area (Maryland USA) is 6.6L. I recently sold my 6.7L inline 6 TD and am waiting for the factory to build the replacement (6.7L V8 TD).
The 3L TDs have mostly been dropped. I think that GM is the only NA manufacturer to still offer a 3L diesel.
To be true, the V8 barely wins performance tests, but the diesel wins the fuel economy by a huge margin...
The diesel looks like an "almost V8" but with fuel consumption of a city car.
Thats why I love driving diesel cars.
I own a Merc C220 CDI from 2011. 170bhp. Around 6L per 100KM or like 40mpg. Also goes 220kph which is like 140mph I think.
@@achimhanischdorfer3403 I have a 2002 CLK240, does 11-12L/100km on average, 13-15L if i only drive in the city 🙃 Power is the same too, 170hp.
@@TopiasSalakka
Diesels have amazing fuel economy. But whatever Mercedes did for the OM651 (the engine) may as well be magic.
@@achimhanischdorfer3403 My 2011 diesel wasn't that great on fuel. I averaged around 20 mpg highway and 14 mpg the rest of the time. I had the low output Cummins ISB 6.7 (350 hp, 650 lb ft) and just sold it a month or two ago. The replacement is going to be a 2023 Ford Powerstroke high output 6.7 (500 hp, 1200 lb ft). It is supposed to get comparable fuel economy.
Un motore vw 2.0 Turbo Diesel con 190 hp alla ruota, fa da 0-60 in 6”,87, e già qui c’è molto ottimismo,mentre il V8 5,7 benzina con 200 hp alla ruota (deve essere il 5,7 V8 più scarso mai costruito)di conseguenza da 0-60 non può farli in soli 6”,73. Per cui queste simulazioni,lasciano il tempo che trovano,diciamo che sono vere e proprie Crociate contro i V8. Hai mai provato un gasolio e vw da 2.0 lt?,Hai mai provato un 345 HEMI? Perché se li hai provati entrambi,non puoi fare un paragone,il 345 hemi ,il motorino a gasolio se lo beve a colazione.
There's no replacement for displacement, turbo the 5.7 as so to the 2.0's turbo size and boost, out of curiosity.
Wish you would include Fahrenheit in future videos.
What games is this and what system??
Beamng Game and Imperial System
MPH is the speed unit in imperial system
FTLB is the Torque in Imperial system
KM/H is the Metric System Speed Unit
NM is the torque in Metric system
*7670889 missed calls from Greta Thunberg*
This sound of hdi is very bad in this game
TDI 4 Life no doubt
Hi, when will we be able do to buy your mods?
you can download them free in in game repository
Turbo WEASEL
wrong gearing for tdi make it slower in acceleration depsite is 100 kg around lighter 👍🏻 you misteake is to big diffrenc in gear lenght cos when you shift to higher gear rpm drop to low where is way
ess power than at peak power thats 1 version and 2 version rpm limiter kick in to soon unless power drop very rapidly above 4 k rpm than only 1 solution is to decrease diffrenc in gear lenght in this power graph characteristic you should setup diffrenc in gear lenght in such way that when you shift at 4 k rpm rpm drop down on 3,5 k rpm ok 3,25 k rpm be probably best version due to turbo boost build time and less gear shifting quantity 😎👍🏻in results at end dispite lil less avg power use for acceleration comapre to 3,5 k rpm starting rpm at another higher gear it may be in big diffrenc in velocity not slower or even slightly faster depend on those shifting time and turbo how fast it build max presssure 😎👍🏻
Obviously not real world preformance. Lol no 4 banger gas or diesel could even come close to a v8 even if it's turbo
Mercedes has a 2 liter 400hp i4 and Mitsubishi too prety sure those cars can destroy alot of v8 cars
@Crispy Shaman nah. Smaller engines will never have more power than a v8 maybe more hp but no where close to the raw frame twisting torque
@@tr1ppl3M I think that Ford has the highest torque in a production vehicle as of 2023. The High Output version of the Powerstroke 6.7L V8 diesel makes 500 hp and 1200 lb ft.
@Rich diesel dosnt count lol or you'd have to count boats and heavy machinery
@@tr1ppl3M Diesel should count as long as it comes in a vehicle that seats at least 4 (completely arbitrary condition of course). The 7.3L Godzilla v8 has to be up there. Normally aspirated it's 475 lb ft.
Your videos are getting boring. We are here to see crazy stuff! Judy trying to help. put a boat turbo on every car!
I hate diesels
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famous is 1.9tdi not 2.0 is crap