This has been my latest project for a while. Hence the lack of uploads as of late! This will be the final Science of MKX video before the release of MK11. Thank you all for enjoying this series and giving me more than enough reasons to keep bringing more episodes to the table. It's been so much fun going over the history of this game and after 4 years, we're ready to transition straight into MK11 and pick up where we left off. - Ketchup
That stamina change after combo break made goros jump a 1 on 3 to 2 in 3 defence option and makes it pretty much a guarantee hit. Always pissed me off as my bro who I play couch combat with is a goro main
I remember sending the accidental double spell clip, then watching in awe as my hero's took to the lab, discovering the mysterious science behind it all. Thank you for all entertainment and joy you've brought me through the years. Love you guys!
Okay, that stuff about Ermac had me laughing pretty hard. Only the Error Macro character could be expected to have tons of errors, bugs, and/or glitches with his commands.
haha i remember most of these. i cracked up during the Quan Chi section. i'm looking forward to seeing you guys talk about Demo Sonya and un-patched Cyrax and CSZ.
Outstanding history lesson. You are doing the most unique and interesting MK content and I can't wait till you get your hands on MK11. Thank you for such deep and thoughtful videos.
@@Quiron1985 Well, Liu Kang looks pretty OP. 50/50 teleport, insane combos off of parry, meterless launchers, and retarded corner carry. Keep in mind we havent even seen all his moves yet. Other than that, no characters really seem THAT bad. Breakaways are pretty gay though
I was there from day one, both in MKX and as a Sub on this channel and i remember some of those broken things to this day, namely how bad kenshi was at the time (my main back then) and how busted Quan was due to your discoveries ... but MY GOD god 'ol Vanilla MKX, no matter how much anyone loved the game, nobody can deny what a shitshow it was. Oh and btw, there was a neat little bug on the PC port (which was a horrible port btw) that would you lose ALL PROGRESS, Story, levels unlocks and Krypt included. That happend to me after i had switched factions for the first time and i though it was intended XD. I only ever found out about it because MORE THAN A YEAR LATER somewhere in the patchnotes it was stated that that bug existed and was fixed... yeah, just let that sink in for a moment Anyhow, great vid as usual ^^
To me, you are doing more in this video than simply showing a transitional history from vanilla mkx to end of life. You are showing the people, who may not necessarily understand the necessity for patches, that these updates in this generation of gaming are required and helpful as a game moves forward and information is gathered. Not just from the player, but the devs as well. Thank you!
To add on to what I'm getting at, there is no way that the same thing will not happen to mk11. It is an inevitability that a competitive fighting game is going to have broken aspects to it at launch. Be patient kids!
I watched MKX tournaments all the time since it came out. And it was always fun to see all this dominant busted tech make it to tourneys where run cancels and unscaled damage were king. Then seeing the entire competitive scene instantly change into something else the moment a patch dropped was funny too. MKX certainly felt like it went through so many "eras" before it reached the end. So many different characters and different variations would change places at the top tiers. I thought it was really interesting to see. I still think the TOP TANYER era was the worst MKX era.
@@adiris8827 It's not the mindgames so much as MK was never a 2-3 guess title a la high level SF4 at the time. Believe me, it's not so much mindgames as it was the prevalence of *good* 50/50 OS leading into a 30-45% combo depending on execution skill
I remember playing this game with my cousin the year or a few months after the game came out we were all having a sleepover and we were all taking turns and when i first saw the fatality for scorpion where he cuts your head open i was amazed
MKX was the first fighting I played from release. I gotta say that discovering how much broken stuff almost every character had along side the community was insanely fun and the most memorable fighting game experience I've had.
I remember when Mystic Ermac’s lift would do 10% unscaled damage if you just let them fall. It was crazy ending a combo with that and then you could build meter while they hang upside down.
I played Mortal Kombat Armageddon when I was young with my older brother, but I really started playing MK in the last patch of mkx. I always wondered how mkx was in the start cause someone told me about armored launchers. Good Video, like always.
I Am Lif3ofdreads probably not. NRS has gotten significantly better at balancing since then and there is a beta that helps them find overpowered stuff. Injustice 2 was fine day 1 in comparison to MKX lol.
@@Time2GoHam1995 I'm so new to a day one fighter that I haven't experienced all these little quirks leaks and people not happy etc I played MK x but came late to the party sMe with injustice 2 but this I have been listening and watching everything since the reveal at game awards
I remember last time I touched patchless MKX. Possessed DB4 was -50 on block, Kotal had a LOT of gaps, Spec Ops/Grandmaster clone game crash. And I remember looping the double chip hex in practice mode until it did 200000% lol
AWSOME video! I was playing back then but didn't even know how to special cancel. This video is appreciated and it hits the nostalgia. But as an ex-cyomancer main, I will never forget those meter less 30% combos
Ugh, MKX day one still gives me nightmares. 💀💀 but I would gladly play them again and see the meta crumble again lol Thanks for this beautiful memory Ketchup. 😃
Well since there was a day 1 patch, that means none of this actually mattered was it was exactly that, a day 1 patch, on the very first day it got that patch, which also included Goro so that people who pre-ordered MKX could play against people who didn't per-order MKX, so the day one patch needed to happen regardless. MKX is now the most balanced MK game to date, so MK11 will not have any of those stuff for sure. Interesting video indeed, great job like always guys.
Cryomancer Sub's combo grab was eventually changed to an actual input. So the combo throw was the same toss the other two variants had. And just like that I stopped using cryomancer because Jesus I hate that awkward input.
Quan Chi was just a vortex machine across all variations throughout the game's life span, iirc. The bat from Sorceror lead to a death touch at one point.
@@kylenguyen7371 I see that you didn't quite understand my statement so let me regurgitate it for to digest before you get offended in some form. I was implying that Quan Chi's damage was insane and at the same time agreeing with you.
I have a feeling mk11 kano is gonna be like day 0 mkx mileena/takeda with how unsafe they seemingly want to make everything he has. Hopefully he'll get some good changes.
Also Kotal's sunbeam ticked armor, so he could break most armored wakeup moves in the corner. That was fun! Also remember how Kotal couldn't air grab ferra/torr in combo? Yea I'm glad that bug was removed... OH WAIT
well in your science for mk 11 you can start with scorpions raging demon charge being taken out and given to johnny with green aura effects that no one seemed to notice
I’d love for you guys to do a terminology/basics video with MK11. Things like +/- frames, safe on block, footsies, neutrals, when/why to use meter(defensive and offensive).
One thing to keep in mind is if something is +2 and you use a 7 frame move, that move is essentially like 5 frames you are at a +2 advantage. Provided you time the move right. If you are - you are a disadvantage and it goes the other way. Look at sub zeroes slide or scorpions teleport in training mode once. They are - significantly to where anything will hit them really. -20 is punishable by moves 19 frames or less because of mkxs weird system with normals. (Specials that come out as reversals come out immediately though) Use moves that are + on block and staggers (parts of hit strings) to create advantage.
Honestly removing armored launchers and nerfing the stamina bar (not the breaker part) were mistakes. The game was more fun with both of those things in tact
It's weird to hear that it was known how good run cancels were early on when I don't recall seeing them much in competition until much later on. I guess the only character I saw being used like that was Raiden because of Nivek. Poor old Raiden got nerfed a lot before they figured out how to fix that option select, then they forgot to undo the nerfs again, until the final patch when EX DB2 was given a better hitbox and two hits of armour. But in general I only remember Godspeed talking about run cancels during commentary on the US ESL side, but no one seemed to be using them competitively early on. Maybe it was still the days when 50/50s ruled the scene before they realised how to find good mids. I assume some characters weren't covered due to a lack of dirt? Or just lack of major talking points at least. Still, nice and informative as well as entertaining. 20:03 was a good laugh.
And to think, people _still_ complained about Jacqui even after her corner-infinite got patched. I used to get _so much flame_ for running her in KotH lobbies and finding ins to lay out her twelve-hit.
This has been my latest project for a while. Hence the lack of uploads as of late!
This will be the final Science of MKX video before the release of MK11. Thank you all for enjoying this series and giving me more than enough reasons to keep bringing more episodes to the table. It's been so much fun going over the history of this game and after 4 years, we're ready to transition straight into MK11 and pick up where we left off.
- Ketchup
Thank you for the video.
Ten seconds in we will see i always love these type of vids
You forgot plus frames on wakeup kung jin
I really hope to see one for mk11
That stamina change after combo break made goros jump a 1 on 3 to 2 in 3 defence option and makes it pretty much a guarantee hit.
Always pissed me off as my bro who I play couch combat with is a goro main
The Sorcerer Quan segment had me rolling lmao
“YEAH MORE DAMAGE LOOK AT THAT!”
I guess you can say that Kenshi was not as *BALANCED.*
Greek Fire 🔥y
Boo
HAHAHAHA BRO THATS SO FUNNY BRO!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA
Thank heavens that no one figured out how to break that right? NAH OF COURSE I DID
I get it. Cause he's BLIND 😂😂😂
No lie Mortal Kombat X used to be some of the most broken shit I’ve ever seen in its heyday.
MK X Liu Kang Cancels That are so plus that even if you block correctly it chips you to death followed by a “Git Gud Scrub lolololol XD” Message. 😑
The most broken MKX is still not as broken as the most "balanced" version of MK9. Don't @ me.
@@babasemka mk9 is fine tho
@@norgepalm7315 says no one ever
Like day 1 tanya
I remember sending the accidental double spell clip, then watching in awe as my hero's took to the lab, discovering the mysterious science behind it all. Thank you for all entertainment and joy you've brought me through the years. Love you guys!
Okay, that stuff about Ermac had me laughing pretty hard. Only the Error Macro character could be expected to have tons of errors, bugs, and/or glitches with his commands.
Fun fact the errmac glitch on the first mortal kombat never actually happened in the game and it is just a hoax
@@valletasI refuse to believe that
That was an amazing video, keep up the good work
BEST MK CHANNEL period
this vid is a good indicator for what to expect from mk11 launch
"Mileena had a gap on hit"
That's just so sad lmaooo. Imagine opening up your opponent and they can still just nope out of your combo.
That's how DoA does
"More chip damage! Wait more chip damage? Yeeeeaah more damage LOOK AT THAT" love it man. keep the fun up :D
I remember most of this, God, this game was so broken back then. ahh, the memories.
haha i remember most of these. i cracked up during the Quan Chi section. i'm looking forward to seeing you guys talk about Demo Sonya and un-patched Cyrax and CSZ.
This was pretty cool. I started with mk11 so I never got to experience MKX. It looks so much faster paced (some cool characters and skins as well).
Mk11 to me was the worst gameplay wise
I used to do the liu kang block chain online and get so much hate mail.
Oh and sorcerer...
My dreams are still haunted.
Outstanding history lesson. You are doing the most unique and interesting MK content and I can't wait till you get your hands on MK11. Thank you for such deep and thoughtful videos.
So there will be no reason to panic in case mk11 is busted at launch :)
hope so, mk11 right now is easily beyond broken
@@colmerator for example?
@@colmerator how so? Plz elaborate? i heaven't seen any gamebreaking stuff yet?
@@Quiron1985 Well, Liu Kang looks pretty OP. 50/50 teleport, insane combos off of parry, meterless launchers, and retarded corner carry. Keep in mind we havent even seen all his moves yet. Other than that, no characters really seem THAT bad. Breakaways are pretty gay though
Liu Kang is a cheese character now,,almost boss-like. he can teleport to make things worse.
Shujinkydink
Was crazy with summoner
Michaelangelo was my favorite Quan Player 👌🏻
He’s trash
@@l750z_6 your a year to late dood,lol
Take your negatively somewhere else,lol
Awesome video, thanks for putting all of this broken madness into one place!
I was there from day one, both in MKX and as a Sub on this channel and i remember some of those broken things to this day, namely how bad kenshi was at the time (my main back then) and how busted Quan was due to your discoveries ... but MY GOD god 'ol Vanilla MKX, no matter how much anyone loved the game, nobody can deny what a shitshow it was.
Oh and btw, there was a neat little bug on the PC port (which was a horrible port btw) that would you lose ALL PROGRESS, Story, levels unlocks and Krypt included. That happend to me after i had switched factions for the first time and i though it was intended XD. I only ever found out about it because MORE THAN A YEAR LATER somewhere in the patchnotes it was stated that that bug existed and was fixed... yeah, just let that sink in for a moment
Anyhow, great vid as usual ^^
To me, you are doing more in this video than simply showing a transitional history from vanilla mkx to end of life. You are showing the people, who may not necessarily understand the necessity for patches, that these updates in this generation of gaming are required and helpful as a game moves forward and information is gathered. Not just from the player, but the devs as well. Thank you!
To add on to what I'm getting at, there is no way that the same thing will not happen to mk11. It is an inevitability that a competitive fighting game is going to have broken aspects to it at launch. Be patient kids!
This is what I like to see
This has to be the most entertaining video I've watched in like a month or so , incredible work as always , cheers !
Glad you enjoyed it!
Man I remember being in the stream when you discovered the double spell lol
I watched MKX tournaments all the time since it came out. And it was always fun to see all this dominant busted tech make it to tourneys where run cancels and unscaled damage were king. Then seeing the entire competitive scene instantly change into something else the moment a patch dropped was funny too. MKX certainly felt like it went through so many "eras" before it reached the end. So many different characters and different variations would change places at the top tiers. I thought it was really interesting to see.
I still think the TOP TANYER era was the worst MKX era.
Yea they had the tanya era, alien era, armored launcher era that spanned forever, post armored launch era, etc.
Yeah, i remember Quan Chi & The Zero Issues Boys !
Great video as always.
Excellent idea for a video, loving the production quality. Quan Chi OP!
Fully edited videos like this are my bread and butter. They just take longer to make for this reason.
I appreciate everybodies patience
@@PNDKM Well you're pretty damn good at them. Keep it up 👌
I'm loving this series
Great video, as always!
You should definitely do a part 2 in the future!
By pressing stance change it could reset the armour? So you mean there was once a character that actually benefitted from the stance change button?
God, people have no idea how happy I am run has gone
why
thanks for explanation@@adiris8827
@@adiris8827 It's not the mindgames so much as MK was never a 2-3 guess title a la high level SF4 at the time. Believe me, it's not so much mindgames as it was the prevalence of *good* 50/50 OS leading into a 30-45% combo depending on execution skill
I feel you, i never used the running mechanic in mkx AT ALL
I remember playing this game with my cousin the year or a few months after the game came out we were all having a sleepover and we were all taking turns and when i first saw the fatality for scorpion where he cuts your head open i was amazed
Ahhh those were the fun days
MKX was the first fighting I played from release. I gotta say that discovering how much broken stuff almost every character had along side the community was insanely fun and the most memorable fighting game experience I've had.
In the quan chi segment you can hear the the evil glee of enjoyment in ketchups voice
I remember the day you discovered double portal. That was a fun stream.
I remember when Mystic Ermac’s lift would do 10% unscaled damage if you just let them fall. It was crazy ending a combo with that and then you could build meter while they hang upside down.
I played Mortal Kombat Armageddon when I was young with my older brother, but I really started playing MK in the last patch of mkx. I always wondered how mkx was in the start cause someone told me about armored launchers.
Good Video, like always.
Damn son I didn't even know.... So this will be expected with Mk11 I just want to experience it all thank you K & M
I Am Lif3ofdreads probably not. NRS has gotten significantly better at balancing since then and there is a beta that helps them find overpowered stuff. Injustice 2 was fine day 1 in comparison to MKX lol.
@@Time2GoHam1995 I'm so new to a day one fighter that I haven't experienced all these little quirks leaks and people not happy etc I played MK x but came late to the party sMe with injustice 2 but this I have been listening and watching everything since the reveal at game awards
I remember last time I touched patchless MKX. Possessed DB4 was -50 on block, Kotal had a LOT of gaps, Spec Ops/Grandmaster clone game crash. And I remember looping the double chip hex in practice mode until it did 200000% lol
AWSOME video! I was playing back then but didn't even know how to special cancel. This video is appreciated and it hits the nostalgia. But as an ex-cyomancer main, I will never forget those meter less 30% combos
Ugh, MKX day one still gives me nightmares. 💀💀 but I would gladly play them again and see the meta crumble again lol
Thanks for this beautiful memory Ketchup. 😃
I will never forget the streams back in the day, testing out the two Quan spells at once. Good times
Awesome video! I had the game back then, but didn’t know nearly as much, or even understood the concepts. This is kind of wild to take a look back at
Cutthroat Kano is stuck in 2015
Do another video like this but for present-day MKX
Well since there was a day 1 patch, that means none of this actually mattered was it was exactly that, a day 1 patch, on the very first day it got that patch, which also included Goro so that people who pre-ordered MKX could play against people who didn't per-order MKX, so the day one patch needed to happen regardless. MKX is now the most balanced MK game to date, so MK11 will not have any of those stuff for sure. Interesting video indeed, great job like always guys.
My boy imagine getting cornered by Kitana and then seeing her 11 hit you... Then u just let go of the controller and say "yeah that's it, GG's"
Cryomancer Sub's combo grab was eventually changed to an actual input. So the combo throw was the same toss the other two variants had. And just like that I stopped using cryomancer because Jesus I hate that awkward input.
What a throwback thanks for the video guys very nostalgic
20:01 im dead
Love the video! Started playing right after all the patches were complete
if you remember the quan spell bug, you know dark times
Quan Chi was just a vortex machine across all variations throughout the game's life span, iirc. The bat from Sorceror lead to a death touch at one point.
@@kylenguyen7371 boi that was dumb 💀
@@just_2swift Would you care to quantify that statement? What are you calling dumb?
@@kylenguyen7371 I see that you didn't quite understand my statement so let me regurgitate it for to digest before you get offended in some form. I was implying that Quan Chi's damage was insane and at the same time agreeing with you.
@@just_2swift Thank you for clarifying. I was initially quite confused.
Prob guna watch a bunch more of these while waiting for mk11. Thanks for the content.
Lol pretty hard at the Quan Chi jokes about multiple hexes. Good stuff.
I was only 12 when this game came out. I don’t remember much but I do remember getting looped by Liu Kang for an entire match.
I have a feeling mk11 kano is gonna be like day 0 mkx mileena/takeda with how unsafe they seemingly want to make everything he has. Hopefully he'll get some good changes.
God I'm having nostalgia for this game jesus
Much respect on making this
Why didn't you talk about Warlock? I think that variation wasn't as broken but was nerfed nonetheless. Namely, the armoured portal scoop.
I can’t wait to see all the digging u will be doing in mk11 to produce all the good content
#Buffunbreakable
Welcome back tqt
In the beginning, there was darkness, and then the Lord said, "Let there be mids." and there were mids.
Jesus Christ i forgot so much of this and some of it I didn't even know about. Great video
Cassie had one of best armored moves back then. MB get up kick was quick on start up safe had armor and it launched for a full combo
Her nutpunch was also more + on hit the higher up the opponent was. I forgot to cover her because I never used her back in the day. AGH!
This is beautiful. Excellent work!
The Quan Chi bit was fucking great
It makes you wonder what will be broken in MK11 at the start
I'm calling it right now, Kano's Molotov cocktail and Jax's gotcha grab are gonna be BUSTED
Great vid man
Also Kotal's sunbeam ticked armor, so he could break most armored wakeup moves in the corner. That was fun! Also remember how Kotal couldn't air grab ferra/torr in combo? Yea I'm glad that bug was removed... OH WAIT
Our Kotal player at the FG local we run experienced the 114 air grab wiff last week. He was really upset
Best Intro of youtube atm Pogchamp
Follow Pixelflare on twitter. He did all the graphics you now see on our channel!
This is what I need! Give me more!
well in your science for mk 11 you can start with scorpions raging demon charge being taken out and given to johnny with green aura effects that no one seemed to notice
You guys create the most serious content about MK on CZcams. Congrats! But how about Johnny's armored nutpunch launcher move? :)
really like this type of videos from you guys its very unique to your channel compared to other NRS youtube channels
Good Lord, I remember when you and mustard discover about the Quan Chi spell bug, On block X-ray was like 100 percent or something. Jesus !!!
Aaah, the good ol’ days....
Me waiting for the MK11 VANILLA edition video.
I’d love for you guys to do a terminology/basics video with MK11. Things like +/- frames, safe on block, footsies, neutrals, when/why to use meter(defensive and offensive).
One thing to keep in mind is if something is +2 and you use a 7 frame move, that move is essentially like 5 frames you are at a +2 advantage. Provided you time the move right. If you are - you are a disadvantage and it goes the other way. Look at sub zeroes slide or scorpions teleport in training mode once. They are - significantly to where anything will hit them really. -20 is punishable by moves 19 frames or less because of mkxs weird system with normals. (Specials that come out as reversals come out immediately though) Use moves that are + on block and staggers (parts of hit strings) to create advantage.
Wow amazing video, thank you so much for the time and effort you put into this one 💞
Ah I do miss those MKX day
Awesome vid Ketchup this made me remember all the armored launching wake ups that used to be in the game😂😂😂
There ARE still armored launchers in the game... it costs 2 bars now, but they are still existing.
@@babasemka True but they were so much worse in og mkx plus im talking about characters like scorps ex teleport
@@angeldiaz5623 Scorpion's ex teleport is nothing, compared to infinites and such.
@@babasemka no argument there
R.I.P Quan chi!!!
Honestly removing armored launchers and nerfing the stamina bar (not the breaker part) were mistakes. The game was more fun with both of those things in tact
I like quan chi in the thumbnail , since he was super op pre patch
Quan Cheese LUL funny video, great content! looking forward to you both playing more MK11!
That was pretty cool! Great video!
that was sick) entertaining af) huge thank you)
Man I really hope you guys eventually do one for pre day one patch MK11 after the game has received substantial updates.
Ahhh how it all began
Just WOW, i Love this type of Videos. You Bros are realy the best 👍
It's weird to hear that it was known how good run cancels were early on when I don't recall seeing them much in competition until much later on. I guess the only character I saw being used like that was Raiden because of Nivek. Poor old Raiden got nerfed a lot before they figured out how to fix that option select, then they forgot to undo the nerfs again, until the final patch when EX DB2 was given a better hitbox and two hits of armour.
But in general I only remember Godspeed talking about run cancels during commentary on the US ESL side, but no one seemed to be using them competitively early on. Maybe it was still the days when 50/50s ruled the scene before they realised how to find good mids.
I assume some characters weren't covered due to a lack of dirt? Or just lack of major talking points at least. Still, nice and informative as well as entertaining. 20:03 was a good laugh.
Now I'm curious as to how Mortal Kombat 11 was, pre Day 1 patch.
And to think, people _still_ complained about Jacqui even after her corner-infinite got patched. I used to get _so much flame_ for running her in KotH lobbies and finding ins to lay out her twelve-hit.
Great video, this game definitely had some issues when it was released.
I miss subzero cryomancer pre patch 🥶
Quan Chi: You'll take spell-boosted chip... *AND EAT IT*
Great stuff, Twins! Keep it up.
Rip Old MKX, Quan Chi thing told me by surprise. But will miss the Armored Launchers
Outstanding!
Phenomenal video great stuff
I miss 2015