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Are european cars expensive to maintain? What other oils should you change during a full service? Aircond compressor oil? Supercharger oil? Transfer case oil change? What are these?
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I have a bimmer e90. 2009 same year as yours. always do preventive maintenance religiously, like you as well. but certain parts of european cars are honestly expensive and when they break, be prepared to cough up the maintenance costs. my transmission mechatronic broke and it costed me more than 12k to replace (didnt go to authorised dealers as they charge about 15k). I know it's a pain, but every time I throttle down and feel the straight 6, it rewards me in a way that no japanese cars could. so it's a bittersweet thing
+T Howell my Toyota's steering lock failed. Used one is RM2.9k lol when expensive stuffs broke down, they are expenaive to fix be it euro or japan. First gen honda city cvt is rm15k to fix too
the video I've been looking for. I'm glad I found your channel Bobby!
Like this kind of video. Should do more such videos. Thank you Bobby!
u know bobby,why i like to watch ur video?its like talking to fellow petrol head.do some talking in the car on the way to somewhere,suddenly saw rare, beauties,exotic cars.theres a need to mention it when we saw it right?been ur followers since ur 1st video,honda civic drives in thailand.kudos!
waaaa. so silent, confident n comfort
Bobby , make videos for what is the best used car to buy for each categories of car. Thanks
I'm in dilemma which one are better of BMW 3series, Audi A4,vw Jetta& Merc c200
@@metitan1398 Currently at the moment 3 series G20 is the best. Unless you want to wait for next gen C class
i agree with Bobby ang
Bobby, perhaps you might wanna consider to do a full video on what to take note during the basic maintenance of a car so more people/ viewers can benefit from this right?
+Chick Kam Loong eh i mentioned right? Not just engind oil but transmission oil, brake fluid, steering fluid, axle oil, aircond compressor oil, fuel filters, aircond filters, gaskets, etc
Bobby Ang oooops, my bad. Didn't realize you actually listed almost all the basics. I must've doze off when I watch this at 2am last night. Thanks for the video!
Yes. I just learned that aircon oil when my wife aircon compressor broke down 1 month ago.
Tq bobby.👍
This is a question that I always want to ask as I always wanted to get a European car. Thanks for answering us. The intro is not long as that is good to let us know why this video has produced. Thanks Bobby to introduce us to the world of continental car.
Hi Bobby, Audi DSG DL501 Transmission has 2 fluid circuit, one circuit is for the DSG itself which runs the mechatronic and wet clutches, this runs a special fluid and the other is for the transmission and differential itself which runs on traditional transmission fluids. With this dual circuit it improves the reliability and cross contamination of the fluids and also improves the torque now rated to 600Nm and 450BHP. In comparison the DQ250 wet clutch only uses one fluid for both the mechatronic/clutch and transmission.
This video is on point! I hate people saying "a car is not a good investment". Its not if you're not going to use it. Its not if you cant even afford one in the first place.
it is simple. if you dare enough to buy a 2nd hand car (or recond), you should know the basics of doing car maintainance and follow them, and it really saves you a lot of money. But, if you really don't trust the dealer, then buy a new car.. nowaday there are lots of affordable car, but not luxurious..Thanks Bobby for the video.
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im driving a passat b7 with 93k mileage on it, so far so good, changed the mechatronic once, i feel that the maintenance is quite reasonably priced especially when u take into account of the parts pricing, maybe the labor cost is higher than outside 3rd party service centres or specialist but u don't get your warranty voided, and volkswagen allows u to change your wear and tear parts outside of the service centre which allows u to save a lot
i buy what u said and for me if i can afford an European car i will not complaint for the maintenance.
Goog Bobby keep it up 👍🏻
having a benz E200 CGI and smart forfour 1.5, I can totally agree that they are very expensive to maintain. 3 months ago in April my E200 cgi's engine camshaft, timing belt and some other things broke at 78K km, sent for specialist for 2 months overhaul rm15K. Before overhaul the turbo would misfire when driven for long distances. Coolant also have to refill very often, about twice a month. My smart forfour 1.5 maintainance not very expensive, but things are starting to go bad already. The semi auto trans sometimes cannot engage 1st gear, have to restart engine few times. wanna go reverse also won't shift out of neutral. Mechanic told me to fix will be about rm3k+ but decided not to fix cause will be selling soon, furthermore I rarely drive it.
Hi bobby, enjoy your videos, can you do a 0-100 sprint time of your audi s4.
Good Evening Bobby, Enjoyed your informative video. I was wondering if you could make an informative video regarding ron97 fuel and which is the best brand in our market? Also possibly the whole argument about compression ratios and ron95 and ron97 as well. Thank you.
Yes, they are.
Great video, any advice on a good mechanic to service AP Audi cars?
It's interesting for me as a European to see the perception amongst the Malaysians about European cars. Obviously there are a lot factors that come into the equation about ownership of a car. But for me, I've owned a Mercedes C Class in the past. Was it a reliable car? Not bad, but not as reliable as you might think? Same for the likes of other European brands like Audi, BMW, Jaguar etc. But the main issue is of ownership is cost. If you own a car, you want it to be a reliable as possible. So the best way to do that is regular maintenance and buying engineered parts. Other than that, does a European car drive better than a Malaysian car like Proton or Perodua? Of course it does because you pay the price for it. But it doesn't mean that say a Proton is an unreliable car. Even proton over here aren't renowned for their amazing build quality, but history shows their usage of Mitsubishi parts has been generally quite reliable. Also, take into consideration that European cars are predominantly for countries with stronger currency's like the British pound, the Euro, the US Dollar etc, so they're more affordable for these countries than say in Malaysia. But this is where I give credit to Proton and Perodua. They take into consideration their rivals and they're fairly priced overall, and it takes into consideration the main market, being obviously Malaysia and throughout the region. The way I see it is this...If I were to live in Malaysia, I would want preferably a Japanese car and my 2nd option would be a Malaysian. The cost of living equates to it. So these brands do suit the local market. So if buying a Malaysian car makes sense, in terms of affordability, then go for it. But if someone feels they want an alternative, that drives better, that has a real essence of quality, luxury and comfort, then buy a European car if you can afford to maintain it.
Thanks for your comment. There are various aspects in terms of what we define as reliability too.
In Europe, plenty of environmental regulations meant that the use of materials had to be biodegradable, this is not something the Japanese car makers need to consider when they make cars in Malaysia or Indonesia or Thailand. Which means long lasting plastics - reliability + 1.
Also, cars had to be subjected to annual checks for road worthiness in many European countries, I'm not sure about UK but it certainly is in Germany. And thus it is imperative for cars in Europe to have sensors to notify on every little component's health or errors. Also, labour fees are extremely high in Western Europe for workshops and mechanics, which means diagnostics is a must to hasten the process and to notify owners of issues via OBD readers etc. Compared to cars in our region, (of course it's slowly changing now as we've aligned ourselves with UNECE) most cars here won't give you a fault code or warning light for misfires, wrong reading on O2 sensors etc, which means the owners arent aware, and continued driving our cars, less warning lights = reliability + 1.
Sophistication. Cheap european cars can't sell in Asian countries, the little Golfs, Polos, Vauxhalls, Citroens, Fiats etc, these are uncompetitive against the Japanese makes in our region for outright simplicity and ease of abuse, thus most of our exposure to European cars are premium makes. And we don't buy low specced premium cars, when we already pay about 150-200% duties on these cars, might as well spec them up. Therefore the more features a car has, the higher the chances of things in need of repair. It's the same as having a bugalow, 2 TVs, 5 water heaters, 6 air conditioners, etc; versus a simple small house with 1 tv, 1 heater, 1 air conditioner, the latter would have lower upkeep of course. simplicity = reliability + 1
Adoption of technology. European carmakers needs to adopt the latest and greatest technology to one-up their competitors. I remember I was invited to Continental's R&D facility back in 2016 where they showed me their prototype wireless charging panels for PHEVs, and guess what, late 2017 BMW declared first in the world to provide the option for wireless charging of their 5 series PHEV (i dont think that time frame is even feasible for reliable production), but guess what, BMW's quiet about it now. European customers are more savvy and scientific, in that they understand that, say for example, when there's water leakage in a bathroom, it had to come from some pipes or hoses that leaked, hence finding the source fixing it will solve the problem. Asian customers are more superstitious, we'd rather believe that when our cars developed an issue, it has to be a gremlin or this car is a lemon, and scream and shout ensues. Thus Toyota will never adopt the latest technology in fear of backlash, whereas European car makers must adopt the latest technologies because everyone's doing that. That's why you will only see Toyota use proven tech instead of leading the charge for brand new components where their reliability is yet proven. But I notice Honda is changing their attitude recently, they've become more daring in adopting new tech sooner than their competition, this has generated great sales results for them, but also a pain in after sales service.
In the end, it's two different mentality and approach, and hence I always want to address this to my audience, in telling them that whatever it is, our biggest issue so far, in Malaysia, is still uncertified mechanics, and that we as Asians value trust higher than truth. Thus an uncertified mechanic can tell us anything when we trust them.
@@BobbyAngmalaysia So in terms of the cars, you mentioned Malaysians prefer tried and tested and proven technologies. So would the likes of Skoda do well in Malaysia, as they build their vehicles from tried, tests and proven technologies from the VW group? Unlike say SEAT, who prefer to make bold designs and try to use the latest unproven tech on the road?
@@Marco-iy7lt europe is an advanced continents and small too the rest of the world is remain untouched or undeveloped massive and need rapid development or construction so that's why reliability or beater car is preferred in this part of the world Asia Australia Africa Middle East North america. camry is best selling car in USA. cars are needed in certain parts of USA as transportation is a must that's why toyota camry best selling car in USA plus USA public transportation is not great compare to Europe but cant compare Europe is small continent whereas USA is huge
@@Marco-iy7lt seat skoda mid range car I dunno whish they can bring here but still can't beat toyota and honda for reliability
May I know where did you serviced your car? Is your car serviced in Audi Malaysia's service centre or the centres outside?
Wild E39 appeared!
But when you go to the workshop to repair the car, they always charge much more than Japanese car..and when you ask, they normally will say, ohh your car is luxury car, so luxury car part are more quality and that is the price for it. I guess some ppl kena potong by this kind of workshop...that is why sometime it cost higher too...
Bryan Su yup.
Agree with you many workshop say like that haiya mau pakai ini kereta maintenance takut kah,beli ini kereta syok maaa duit pun mesti syok lah
Great video bobby. People complaining about european car is because they don't get to own one. Listening to friends and facebook comment makes them become one of the european haters. And of course, they don't get to own one. For whoever complaining about European cars, keep the Japanese or national car with you, while the rest of us enjoying the sheer driving pleasure. Cheers!
I do the same thing with fluids in my car,change frequently , But the cost you said, is much more than my chevy.
my friend works in VW HQ Malaysia as a market researcher. his colleague from customer service department is having much more difficutlt time to deal with customer complaints on vehicle breaking down. and his previous company was Lexus customer service department , has lesser complains on vehicles breaking down. of course volume of vehicle sold for VW Vs Lexus is much higher. what he is saying VW vehicle definitely has much more issues compared to Japanese made vehicle, thus maintainance and parts and time spent in SC is much higher compared to Japanese made cars.
+santisisma83 that is a fact. European cars cant compare. But what i wanna show is to give a perspective on prices of maintenance on euros
agreed on the perception. like the shoe price comparison compared to car parts that you have made. It's about your passion/ hobby. if you are passion about shoes ..rm1k per pair also no complain la, coz that is your passion. for cars, as what you mentioned, you are much willing to spent on channging the parts and maintenance even service is not due yet, to prevent major issues cropping up. I owned an Alfa 147 & a Honda city...i spent alot of time in a alfa workshop, more than in a Honda. but I find it much more enjoyable to be in a alfa workshop as compared to Honda SC hahaha..can keipoh around other people's Alfas hehehe.
A4 2.0 turbo comes with horrible oil leak issues which may cost a lot to fix as for your V6 supercharge (S4) is mostly likely to be more reliable than the A4.
infamous DSG.! that would scare people away
Bro plz do it video for used European car
hi Bobby, did you send to Audi workshop or outside mechanics?
Hi Bobby, can you recommend where to do a carbon cleaning service?
Anyhow, does the carbon cleaning helps or harmful to cars?
How abour the bmw and mercedes run flat tyre ? I heard it is expensive
Recently I were searching around used car dealer for an 2009-2011 makes Audi A4 B8 1.8T, and i wanted to buy as it was the first sight love back to My secondary school time . But was worry about the maintenance cost , and keep on search around . But after your video I feel comparing to a Saga 1.6 maintenance cost with those transmission oil change , brake pair everything it already cause for about RM 1200. Compare to the European Car , it is still kinda expensive. Anyhow is it worthy for the money we pay for an used Audi A4 1.8T B8
William Chua true
hi, do you advice buying a 2nd hand European cars for example a 6 to 7 yr old car and service at specialist outside? like you said many would love to get their hands on a conti car but the rumours outside isn't making it pleasant. would love your suggestions for this
thx
the only worry with conti cars is that the amount of sensors that they have built in, any one of them fails can render the car unable to start due to safety reason, for most asian cars their design is more sinple and don't leave you stranded suddenly without warning. i think that this is the most annoying part of owning a conti car compared to an asian car. when they fail they don't give you any heads up whatsoever, thats why its better to do preventive maintenance and lookout for stuff that might fail or close to the breaking point.
Bobby, do you bring it to the Audi dealer or somewhere else?
I thought about the cost of maintaining and postponed my purchase for a very long time, Thanks for the informative video.
If you're not under warranty or anything - do not go to audi dealers for servicing. They charge more, they know less.
Any recommendations?
@@BobbyAngmalaysia any dealer will charge more and sometimes part can be repair but they'll change the whole set
Hi Bobby, I intend to get a vw Jetta but I read there are reviews stating that most Jetta had mechatronic problems. appreciate your advise. thanks.
Hahaa same me I decide to choose Jetta because of the price
Is audi b8 facelift worth to buy? (considering 1.8t). What kind of issues that might appear and how about the maintenance?
Hi bobby, can you advise about carbon build up maintenance? how you carry out since i hardly find alternative to clean my valve unless manual cleaning. Btw do you have done wallnut shell method?
Any good recommendations for VW service centre with reasonable price.
so .. yah!
Is that a clock on your windscreen?
+boy638 some old design dashcam :)
so bobby where the best workshop maintenance for audi in kl ?
How to convince family to get Alphard tips pls?
take them for a ride in one
make sure you get the 3.5 v6 model
How to convince family to get recond car?
Jordan ChynNum Fu why?
Just asking where do you service your cars? I am looking for alternative mechanics.
btw if anyone sees this (or Bobby maybe) I have a question, should I go for the Ford Focus sport+, jetta HL or Mazda 3? I tested all 3 amd I'm still conflicted. which would be the better choice in terms of performance (city driving and occasional long road driving) and comfort? (passenger wise, I find all 3 equally comfortable as a driver).
Civic 1.8
SupaL33tKillar Go for the Jetta!!
The right one is your speedometer right? Are they functional? Just being curious. :)
what about Audi a4 ?
Hey Bobby, I am planning to buy a MK7 VW Golf. In your point of view is the car worth buying based on the maintenance and servicing? I.E would it be burning a hole through my pocket since i heard the Jetta breaks down easily and has a lot of issues with the parts.
+wan hayatuddin razi funnily i nvr heard issues with golf
just curious. judging from your point, I should better own a toyota compared to perodua since toyota makes more cars per year and so toyota parts should be cheaper right? currently looking to get an mpv so i'd like to have your experienced thoughts on this
+Anas Sazali i dont mean when they buy the parts at bulk and get a cheaper price means they will sell you at a cheaper price. :)
Can u list out the all the oil to be charge ? I plan to buy new Mercedes either c200 or GLA ?
+Soonhuat Wee but if you buy new no worries they'll take care of everything for you.
In all fairness...most concern about owning continental cars in Malaysia is not the servicing cost and wear and tear parts. In all fairness continental cars parts prices are acceptable, it is just that the skills and technical know how of mechanics fixing continental cars in Malaysia is sorely lacking...which leads to misleading diagnosis and high repair bills .
bobby , i did air con changed compresosr denso nd8 oil, gas , filter drier, this service in bangsar for myvi they charged me RM430 u said u did for rm100++ can tell which place. i will go there. i every 30,000km change oil compressor
hye bobby, its you buy new car or recond car? my friend said recond car is scam because mileage tampered. any tips for recond car?
Almost all of their mileage are tempered. But that doesn't stop you from requesting the original AP documents that shows the real mileage. Another way if you're buying European premium cars, just check on their VINs online and most of the time, according to that model's service requirements, an estimated mileage will be shown too. So if you found a car you really liked and checked the mileage of the car and it's 90,000km (real mileage) but the car shows 18,000 km. You can just nego and purchase it and then tell your mechanic that this car is 90,000km and you will want to service it like a 100,000km car. Most car components are designed to last 100,000km. So you can do a more extensive preventive maintenance on your car.
Don't be put off your purchase even if it's 90,000km because mechanical bits are easy to service and maintain, hardest would be interior. So a great interior but worn mechanicals is always a better buy than a worn interior with great mechanicals and low mileage. Mileage doesn't mean anything really, just an indication on at what stage of its life cycle for those consumable, wear and tear items like aircond compressor, clutches, filters, seals, bushes, bearings, tensioners, belts, injectors, coil packs, gaskets, water pumps etc.
thank you bobby ang, you have great knowledge :)
apart from that the reasale value is ridicuously low so somebody offers you a BMW,AudiMercedes or BMW dont buy them usless the price is only if 5-10 % of the origial price
Is it the same with Lexus?
Where do you service your car?
hi Bobby, can intro ya mechanic kah? I also stay in tmn desa. so I service along okr.
where did you get your service done? i noticed you came out to ldp....
I’m planning to buy vw vento 1.2 tsi for my first car. But I’m afraid of the maintenance cost as I travel alot to work and local outstation. Can u tell me how is the maintenance fees?
Servicing is free now. So dont see an issue.
Bobby Ang thanks but how about after warranty period. Should suppose to follow Maintenance schedule provided by vw sc ? Or I can just choose to maintain outside. How about fees maintenance after warranty period?
Bobby did u send ur car at authorized service center or outside mechanic workshop?
+shamsulshariff1982 Specialists out there
Faulty meter?
the word is "first impression" lol. Would suggest put up the figures on screen easy for viewers to follow.
if wanna get a low maintance on European car get mercedes less problem I own an Audi s7 and mercedes c300 so far not a problem for me.
Some components in a conti cars also manufactured in the Far East ( China , Japan or SEA ) Why so expensive? Coz they slap their brand on it and mark up 200 %
hi Bobby, what is that roundosh thing on the windscreen?is that a dash cam? If so, may i know the brand? Thanks!
+beradu power i have to check the brand. But its a very old model hence the bulk
Bobby, let me know if you are selling your car. I am always keen to buy a well-maintained Audi used car :)
Mr.bobby
pada pendapat saya audi/vw senang Maintain dan tak mahal sgt la 😄😄😄
Exactly, if you know your mechanic and your mechanic is not a cheater. :)
@@BobbyAngmalaysia sbb saya juga mechanic 😂😂😂
Just think of one mindset, more high tech stuffs in the car will bring us more trouble when car is getting old, basically what you pay is what you get, that's it.
Myself owned kancil and saga with the similar age before, apparently saga's parts are cheaper but easily broke down, kancil's part abit more expensive but last longer, now i have sold both of them and gotten Alza and Jazz, maintenance wise jazz will be slightly more expensive but you will feel the differences of these 2 cars.
My Exora CFE front brake pad SC quoted RM300+, which just last 40K km.
While my another CX-5 2.5 CBU that SC just quoted me RM500+. But it last me over 100K km. So do your math.. LOL
Proton's service never been cheap... a saga CVT can cost RM1k @ 60k km, while myvi only RM600 @ 60k km.
Proton or Perodua i only sent few times... Outside cheaper now already 9th year 250k km... Already... Some my friends send to sc with min 250 untill RM 350
Sorry but i have to disagree - he's comparing the price servicing (engine oil,transmission oil etc) - so thats why there is not much different.However,when we talk about maintaince,we have to take into account parts prices
Parts that u can use cross platform and cars are ok - engine fluid,brake pad and disc,suspension
But if u buy parts that are specific for the car - sensor ,valve etc - then when u see the price your gonna cough blood - for example - a side mirror of a BMW 330e (which by it self cost rm245k) will set u back rm3-4k
However,a side mirror for a honda accord wont exeed rm1k - lets not even get to the topic of gearbox and sensors etc
The reality is,most malaysian fear that european cars cost a lot to maintain is justified.
Dont be a euro fanboy.When people ask you,a car journo,is a european car more expensive to maintain.Then the answer is a clear yes.
Totally agree. He`s talking like a fanboy beating around the bush
is your spec ic!berlin?
+Kelvin Ch'ng oh yes... pretty good
Bushes and suspensions...
UYes they are very expensive to maintain and very uinrelaible if the parts are available they are also expensive and the labor to fix the car is also very expensive
Nope. Still staying away from Conti cars. I've seen it for myself from my dad, and also my friends who're driving conti cars. All regretting now
Bobby, if only the cost of car ownership is based on the cost of regular servicing but this isn't the case. The major cost which has not been mentioned at all is the cost repairs for wear and tear items, breakdowns and failures. European cars are unreliable in our climate and full of electronics which can fail. They cost a bomb to repair compared to Japanese cars. The real cost of ownership must take into account expected repair costs and not just changing fluids.
No way. Even how cheap European car makers can source for parts in the market, they will jack up the prices & make a profit out of it. There's no way a European (Mercedes or BMW) for example, can be cheaper to maintain than a Japanese or Malaysian car.
Sometimes it's not about the parts , it's more about the labor cost. European car makers have very high labour costs for servicing. Sorry but I have to disagree with this video....
+Xavier Lim i never said itthey're cheaper to maintain. I'm just saying an oil change is the same process as a japanese car, you buy better oil, you pay more. Labor is the same for workshops out there. I agree with you about some jacking up prices. My main purpose of this video is to give a perspective that it isn't as crazy as you think it is. :)
Bobby Ang lol.. "not dat expensive" ... bcuz u r rich man!! 400rm for rear disc pads?? Dats a lot
+Maimul Hawkins like i said, why are we happily spending rm400 on a pair of Adidas while complaining rm400 for brake pads?
Maimul Hawkins Even the original front brake pads of a Nissan Almera costs almost RM400 per pair. So for some parts of the European cars are really not that expensive compared to what we've heard from the others so far.
"Are European cars costly to maintain?"
if you have a way to source the part, an expert, trusted mechanic, you can buy.if you dont, you might end up paying rm 5000 instead of 3000 , rm 2000 instead of rm 500, rm 1500 instead of rm 700.i find that many parts are highly jacked up by dishonest dealer.
One easy way is to gauge the parts price from global parts seller
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nice video btw~ still waiting your in depth review for BMW X1 hehe
feel proud!!!! 1st viewer!!!
But european cars come with a lot more equipments and electronics so over time the maintenance cost is definitely higher, they also depreciate more than their japanese counterparts in Malaysia. A regular service on a Volvo easily costs RM700-1k while it only costs Rm300 max on say a City.
While it is true that the cost of maintenance is not as CRAZY as some may believe, higher maintenance cost is a fact. Many malaysian buyers still suffer from unreliable grey imports which is also a factor.
Nonetheless, european cars just tend to offer so much more in terms of drivability, desirability, looks etc. so its all worth it
+Jimmy Toh In service centres of course, but if you service outside, labor is fixed, and oil price js dependant on which you buy. :)
I serviced my Toyota at their SC, my 70k service total bill is RM7xx! I have no choice but to service my car at Toyota SC or authorized SC less my warranty gets voided.
hai Bobby Ang. currently i am considering to own either Honda City or Volkswagen Vento 1.2 TSI. Could you advice me which one is better in term of driving performance and cost maintenance. I have read alot of complain of Volkswagen cars but i dont know it is the new model vento 1.2 tsi still have the same problem as previous model.
+Sufi Wan we dont hear problems as well. Seems owners are happy with their purchase
Me too.. I'm also considering of these two models..
stephlsy90 sufi wan new DSG is upgraded one.. U can find in youtube as well
change gasket in hundred ringgit???? where car performance shop u do that??, so i can trust. i hate people take advantage on us especially the pomen kereta he dont even know any about engine just a cincai2 do n take money
he gets paid for promoting cars, please take his advice with a grain of salt
bahahah so expensive. not for average people bro
some european components are poorly design and are of low quality ..s4 is notorious for thermostat, water pump, mechatronic, crank oil seal, premature engine mounts failure..and drinks oil ,,